Xbox 360 controller on PC

[Shiherlis]

I just got the wireless adapter to use my Xbox360 controller on the PC. However, the driver that comes with it does not allow it to recognize the right and left triggers to be used as normal buttons, like in the game on a 360 or with a ps2 controller. I also tried a 3rd party driver "DS3 tool" but it has the same problem. Has anyone had any luck getting their Xbox360 controller's trigger buttons to work in FFXI? Those buttons bring up your macro set.

[Djlevation]

nope, for some reason the xbox controller triggers don't register as buttons. :(

[Zagen]

I haven't used Pinnacle Game Profiler in a few years but it used to allow mapping the triggers as buttons even though they aren't buttons.
http://pinnaclegameprofiler.com/

[Raksha]

You could use a different driver. the one I use is called XBCD (should show up in a google search). There has been several topics about this already so if you want more info you can do a search.

[Juri_Licious]

Trust me when I say that i've spent tons and tons of hours trying to get the Wireless 360 controller to work.
The Xbox 360 controller is in a different format than what the old FFXI config is used to, so it can't read the triggers.

If you messed with XBCD you could get this to work. However, there is no method to get this to work with the Wireless controller only the wired.

I just pretty much use a PS3 controller now.

[Atomic_Skull]

nope, for some reason the xbox controller triggers don't register as buttons. :(

The 360's gamepad's triggers are actually sliders not buttons, and FFXI doesn't recognize sliders as buttons. It wouldn't be hard for SE to fix this though.

[Atomic_Skull]

You could use a different driver. the one I use is called XBCD (should show up in a google search). There has been several topics about this already so if you want more info you can do a search.

If you are using any 64-bit Windows then you will have to disable driver signature enforcement to be able to use XBCD which is an unsigned driver. (the simplest way is to just hit F8 on bootup and select "Disable driver signature enforcement" They can't afford the $100 per year license fee that MS requires for signed drivers. Rather than trying to come up with their own encryption they decided that it would be better to hire real cryptography experts and subcontracted Verisign to do it for them. Driver signatures are issued by Verisign not Microsoft and this is what the license fee is for. So far nobody has managed to actually break their driver signature and not for lack of trying.

As for the reason for all this, blame the RIAA and MPAA. They went to Microsoft and told them that they wanted Blu-Ray video decryption locked down on Windows (if you have driver signature enforcement disabled then Blu-Ray movies won't play) and hinted that if MS didn't comply they'd have legislation passed that would force them to do it. MS would rather do it voluntarily than have a law that forces them to do it in a probably much more restrictive way.

[Shiherlis]

Thanks!


I just pretty much use a PS3 controller now.

So if I get a wireless adapter for my ps3 controller it's relatively painless to setup?

[Atchy]

I think if you want to use wireless pad for FFXI,logicool wireless gamepad F710 is better for your need.
It can change XBOX mode and PC mode.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/controllers/devices/7361

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Controllers are slow and worthless. Keyboards are conciderably faster and more accurate.

[Atomic_Skull]

Controllers are slow and worthless. Keyboards are conciderably faster and more accurate.

A controller works just fine when you want to lean back and fish or farm or whatever for a few hours. It's not like you can't switch to the keyboard whenever you want.

[Laraul]

Controllers are slow and worthless. Keyboards are conciderably faster and more accurate.

Yes you are damn right! Typing with a controller sux. (You we're refering to typing right?).

[Versivus]

Running out of words that use A B X and Y on the controller...

[Juri_Licious]

Thanks!



So if I get a wireless adapter for my ps3 controller it's relatively painless to setup?

I haven't looked into the wireless method. Probably need a blue tooth adapter or something.
I just plug it in via USB with the software called "MotionJoy".

There's a guide for PS3 and Motionjoy on google and it's pretty simple.

[Kaisha]

OP: Use the appropriate download for your OS from this site - http://www.katch.ne.jp/~morii/driver/x360wc/index.html


It's a 3rd-party driver for the 360 wireless adapter, allows you to fully tweak and modify the controller properties, including having the analog triggers act as buttons.

[Raksha]

OP: Use the appropriate download for your OS from this site - http://www.katch.ne.jp/~morii/driver/x360wc/index.html


It's a 3rd-party driver for the 360 wireless adapter, allows you to fully tweak and modify the controller properties, including having the analog triggers act as buttons.

Does it work for the wired controller also? And would it let you change the home button to a keyboard scancode or something similar? I'd like to be able to actually do something with that dumb button.

[Kaisha]

As far as I'm aware it's just for the wireless ones, and the site's title is "Xbox 360 Wireless Controller Device Driver" also.

[wildsprite]

OP: Use the appropriate download for your OS from this site - http://www.katch.ne.jp/~morii/driver/x360wc/index.html


It's a 3rd-party driver for the 360 wireless adapter, allows you to fully tweak and modify the controller properties, including having the analog triggers act as buttons.

here is the link to the wired version of that same driver
http://www.katch.ne.jp/~morii/driver/x360c/index.html

oh and if you also happen to have an original xbox controller lying around(I have a controller S I keep as a spare)
http://www.katch.ne.jp/~morii/driver/xgc/index.html

[Evan]

Please Square Enix and Tanaka ! Update the XBOX360 controller setting on PC !

[Tsuneo]

Controllers are slow and worthless. Keyboards are conciderably faster and more accurate.
I only agree as far as FPS's go. FFXI has the most retarded keyboard controls that I've ever seen in any game.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I just got the wireless adapter to use my Xbox360 controller on the PC. However, the driver that comes with it does not allow it to recognize the right and left triggers to be used as normal buttons, like in the game on a 360 or with a ps2 controller. I also tried a 3rd party driver "DS3 tool" but it has the same problem. Has anyone had any luck getting their Xbox360 controller's trigger buttons to work in FFXI? Those buttons bring up your macro set.It's your own fault. Unplug the controller because it makes you slow and sloppy. Keyboard only if much faster.

[Camiie]

It's your own fault. Unplug the controller because it makes you slow and sloppy. Keyboard only if much faster.


Quit trolling people about their use of controller. I'm sure some of them could play rings around you.

[Keyln]

Dear SE, please make the Xbox 360 controller for windows work on this game.

Thanks.

[Alhanelem]

The 360's gamepad's triggers are actually sliders not buttons, and FFXI doesn't recognize sliders as buttons. It wouldn't be hard for SE to fix this though.
It would be, because AFAIK that requires the newer input standard used by the xbox controller (Xinput). FFXI uses DirectInput (part of DirectX 9 and earlier) for gamepad support, so functionality which depends on Xinput wouldn't be available. Newer games that support the xbox controller specifically do not support a lot of older game pads because they only use Xinput, not DirectInput, which is now considered depreciated by Microsoft and will no longer be a part of future versions of DirectX.


Dear SE, please make the Xbox 360 controller for windows work on this game. FFXI for PC doesn't use Xinput, thus it will not fully support the xbox 360 controller under Windows. (The Xbox 360 itself is another matter, because it's not Windows)

[Evan]

so update FFXI'directX program ....
update FFXI engine !
thow away ps2 version !

ho my.......... it's 2012...

make a new FFXIv2.0 with the FFXIVv2.0 engine (dream :p)

[Dreamin]

Or another simplier solution without having to download 3rd party driver (sorry I haven't tried any other one but the XBCD one but that doesnt' work anymore with Win 7 since all drivers now must be signed). I remap it so instead of using the 2 triggers, I just use the 'bummers' above them. It actually only takes very little time to adjust to use the bummers.

[Tsuneo]

Or another simplier solution without having to download 3rd party driver (sorry I haven't tried any other one but the XBCD one but that doesnt' work anymore with Win 7 since all drivers now must be signed). I remap it so instead of using the 2 triggers, I just use the 'bummers' above them. It actually only takes very little time to adjust to use the bummers.
XBCD does work since that's what I use on my 360 controller. You just have to turn off driver signature enforcement every time you boot your PC.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Or another simplier solution without having to download 3rd party driver (sorry I haven't tried any other one but the XBCD one but that doesnt' work anymore with Win 7 since all drivers now must be signed). I remap it so instead of using the 2 triggers, I just use the 'bummers' above them. It actually only takes very little time to adjust to use the bummers.

Or set it to always be off.

[Dreamin]

turning off driver signature enforcement is a very very bad idea for most users.

[Atomic_Skull]

It would be, because AFAIK that requires the newer input standard used by the xbox controller (Xinput). FFXI uses DirectInput (part of DirectX 9 and earlier) for gamepad support, so functionality which depends on Xinput wouldn't be available. Newer games that support the xbox controller specifically do not support a lot of older game pads because they only use Xinput, not DirectInput, which is now considered depreciated by Microsoft and will no longer be a part of future versions of DirectX.

FFXI for PC doesn't use Xinput, thus it will not fully support the xbox 360 controller under Windows.

No it wouldn't, the shoulder buttons show up as an axis in Directinput. It would not be hard to make FFXI able to recognize an axis as a button. From a programming standpoint it's not hard.


(The Xbox 360 itself is another matter, because it's not Windows)

Actually the Xbox 360 is windows, just not Intel Windows. It runs a PowerPc version of Windows and DirectX 9. Porting applications between the PC and Windows is basically just a matter of cross compiling the application.

[Atomic_Skull]

Or set it to always be off.

You can't permanently disable it on 64-bit windows. You have to either hammer the F8 key and manually turn it off, install a boot sector program that automates this which can cause problems with system updates (which is why I stopped doing this) or put your system in Test Mode and provide a fake driver signature (this is used by developers for driver development) which puts a "Test Mode" watermark in the lower right corner of the desktop.

[Dreamin]

Either way though telling most general users to disable signed device driver is a bad idea. The general public should not do this at all.

[Atomic_Skull]

Either way though telling most general users to disable signed device driver is a bad idea. The general public should not do this at all.

32-bit Vista/Win7 doesn't enforce driver signing. 64-bit windows should allow you to make exceptions for specific drivers. The end result of enforced driver signatures is that only companies that can afford to pay the yearly license can make Windows drivers that work without disabling driver signature enforcement.

[Evan]

FFXI prisoner of the old system...

[Teraniku]

Personally I use a Logitech F510 Rumblepad, Works like a charm. Tried the 360 controller but had issues with it. The F510 works just like the playstation controller, when set up properly.

[Raksha]

I like the 360 controller because it feels well made. 3rd party controllers (mostly logitech is what i've used) feel too light and wimpy. the 360 controller has a nice heft to it. Only thing I don't like about the 360 controller is the hat switch. always seems unresponsive for me (i've tried 3 different ones)

[Atomic_Skull]

Personally I use a Logitech F510 Rumblepad, Works like a charm. Tried the 360 controller but had issues with it. The F510 works just like the playstation controller, when set up properly.


I like the 360 controller because it feels well made. 3rd party controllers (mostly logitech is what i've used) feel too light and wimpy. the 360 controller has a nice heft to it. Only thing I don't like about the 360 controller is the hat switch. always seems unresponsive for me (i've tried 3 different ones)

Here's what I use to play FFXI:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/544/5uqindevo8bis.jpg

[Alhanelem]

feel too light and wimpy. the 360 controller has a nice heft to it.I would rather have a controller that feels light than one that has a "nice heft" to it. I'd rather be holding a bundle of feathers in my hands than a candlepin bowling ball.

@ above: ummm.... where are the buttons?

[FrankReynolds]

I would rather have a controller that feels light than one that has a "nice heft" to it. I'd rather be holding a bundle of feathers in my hands than a candlepin bowling ball.

@ above: ummm.... where are the buttons?

I agree, But the light controllers seem to wear out. 360 controllers just last longer than Logitech etc. It's also really nice to just be able to plug it in and charge it when I'm not playing, instead of swapping out batteries. I would probably use a PS3 controller, if I had a PS3. 360 control is semi-free though seeing as I use them for the console as well.

On a side note, that JP site where I downloaded the 360 drivers seems to be down ATM. I don't really see why a company like SE couldn't build their own driver and get it signed though.

[Alhanelem]

I only agree as far as FPS's go. FFXI has the most retarded keyboard controls that I've ever seen in any game.
Try the Compact keyboard layout. It gives you controls more like other PC games (WASD move, IJKL camera).

[Raksha]

I would rather have a controller that feels light than one that has a "nice heft" to it. I'd rather be holding a bundle of feathers in my hands than a candlepin bowling ball.



The "lightweight" controllers just feel cheap, and i've never been satisfied with the analog sticks. The xbox360 controller isnt too heavy, its just right.

[Kaisha]

Majority of the 360 controller heft for me comes from the stupid batteries, which creates the hump that annoys my big hands. Shame they never released a version of the controller with a built-in lithium-ion battery.

[Raksha]

Majority of the 360 controller heft for me comes from the stupid batteries, which creates the hump that annoys my big hands. Shame they never released a version of the controller with a built-in lithium-ion battery.

Mine's the wired version.

[Atomic_Skull]

I would rather have a controller that feels light than one that has a "nice heft" to it. I'd rather be holding a bundle of feathers in my hands than a candlepin bowling ball.

@ above: ummm.... where are the buttons?

HINT: It's not really a gamepad.

[Atomic_Skull]

Majority of the 360 controller heft for me comes from the stupid batteries, which creates the hump that annoys my big hands. Shame they never released a version of the controller with a built-in lithium-ion battery.

I don't trust cheap non computerized lipo chargers which is what a lipo powered gamepad would almost certainly use. Non computerized chargers have a way of damaging lipos over time and damaged lipos have a way of exploding and burning down your house.

[Kaisha]

I don't trust cheap non computerized lipo chargers which is what a lipo powered gamepad would almost certainly use. Non computerized chargers have a way of damaging lipos over time and damaged lipos have a way of exploding and burning down your house.
No worse than the generic chinese AA-rechargable batteries the official Microsoft rechargable battery pack contains.

[Atomic_Skull]

No worse than the generic chinese AA-rechargable batteries the official Microsoft rechargable battery pack contains.

Almost all batteries are made in china no matter what brand they are. Also NiMH batteries don't literally catch on fire and explode like a firework the way lipos do.