Dynamis Update Petition.

[Ilax]

Hello everyone, i figured it would worth for the DEV staff to be aware that a lot's of player as myself disagree about this update.

This thread is not created to talk about negative/positive impact of the update but more to give the right picture of who clearly not welcome such of change.

Posting in this thread mean you disagree with the update.

Please do not say the reason
because some would just fight about it or try intimidate your decision, and this thread is not intended for that.

if you have anything you would like to share, it can be done by using the other existing thread:

[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn! (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/311-dev1000-Dynamis-Reborn!)

To DEV: This thread is not intended to cause any trouble to your great work, you guy are very awesome with your update, specially abyssea that of course is a major success :) Thanks you so much to give us such of nice update :cool:

[Ilax]

Ilax/Fenrir.

[skoof]

Skoof/lakshmi

[GlobalVariable]

This is stupid. We don't know how things are going to be yet. I have concerns but its way early for this kind of resistance.

[Starcade]

Starcade/Leviathan.

And, GV, we don't need to know how things are going to be -- we can see it from currently-established trends of player conduct...

[Shoyu]

Shoyu/Fenrir Dynamis is not broken the way it is I believe.

[Alhanelem]

This is pointless because many people are happy that they're changing dynamis. Your assumptions about "easy mode" and "ruining" the event you "love" so much are based in nothing.

Disclaimer: This post does not constitute endorsement of this "petition."

[Starcade]

This is pointless because many people are happy that they're changing dynamis. Your assumptions about "easy mode" and "ruining" the event you "love" so much are based in nothing.

Probably because they're hoping for ways to cockblock and MPK entire alliances out of the zone so they can hoard all the AF2 and currency.

[Alhanelem]

Probably because they're hoping for ways to cockblock and MPK entire alliances out of the zone so they can hoard all the AF2 and currency. That's unlikely to happen and there is no basis for it. The reason it's so unlikely to happen is partly because of the current number of people actually participating in Dynamis. If this were 6 years ago when dynamis was in it's heyday, there's a chance it might have been a problem. but it's not 6 years ago. It's today.

Disclaimer: this post does not constitute endorsement of this "petition."

[Naturebeckles]

This is stupid. We don't know how things are going to be yet. I have concerns but its way early for this kind of resistance.

I totally agree with you, Global... they've given us a few vague details... they've certainly not given us enough information for us to totally know how Dynamis is going to be. I'm sitting here thinking I can't even begin to guess how our LS's rules are going to change until we've done a run in the new system to see what it's like.

[Alhanelem]

I don't fully agree with this update, I would have much rathered if they made the zones act the same as BC zones, Assaults, etcThis would have been ideal, but it is impossible due to the physical design of the area and how "instancing" (It's not really instancing but gives a similar result) works in FFXI. I can explain it if you want but probably best to do so in another thread.

Basically, it's much easier for them to just change how the monsters appear in the zone and such, and change the items for entry and how they're obtained, than to actually re-make the zones so that they could apply pseudo-instancing.

(This post is not an endorsement of this so-called petition)

[Tohihroyu]

Tohihroyu/Leviathan

Just what we need...more drama...inc Dynamis Lord Mpk e_e

[Savannah]

Savannah/Cerberus

If things are explained in more detail I may reconsider...but the way things are listed right now, I'm not cool with it. Sounds to me like I may not be doing dyna much after the update. Right now when I make it to dyna, I like my paydays....they're much welcomed.

[Krystal]

Krystal/Alexander

[Alhanelem]

I like my paydays....they're much welcomed. Doing dynamis just for gil is stupid. Relics cost enough time as it is without also costing 100s of millions of gil due to greedy people jacking currency prices. You can make gill just easily if not easier by rading the augmented item chests in Abyssea. One session in Konschtat I got 4 dark rings with crappy augments that NPC for 34k each. 136k for minimal effort.

Of course, currency prices probably won't drop that much, and you can get 7 "paydays" a week. So i'm not sure what you're complaining about.

[donavin]

Most who had relic weapon - leader who collect other person did not get cause 85% no one get relic weapon upgrade most leader had already relic weapon complete. no one collect from relic cause group not happy not get coin!!! I like idea like point as abyssea no complian!!! can buy upgrade relic drop earn coin to each people drop in count it. No long holder collect!

[Savannah]

Doing dynamis just for gil is stupid. Relics cost enough time as it is without also costing 100s of millions of gil due to greedy people jacking currency prices. You can make gill just easily if not easier by rading the augmented item chests in Abyssea. One session in Konschtat I got 4 dark rings with crappy augments that NPC for 34k each. 136k for minimal effort.

Of course, currency prices probably won't drop that much, and you can get 7 "paydays" a week. So i'm not sure what you're complaining about.

We can't all play 7 days a week? And I do farm in abyssea, that doesn't mean I'm swimming in gil either.

The LS does certain runs and lets members sponsor...but we also do runs where we sell the currency (at going rate b/c we're not all greedy pricks) and split among the members that came. It's a little way of giving back to the members.

So you assuming that we're raising prices on the currency is stupid. Thanks for automatically assuming my linkshell consists of a bunch of elitist ***holes, our ego will enjoy it.

[Orson]

You do realize that you'd probably make more money farming Tiger King hides and other pops in abyssea?

Also people need to stop fearing change. The game is going to change or it's going to die which do you prefer?

[Savannah]

Again, I do farm in abyssea.

I'm not gonna spend every day in abyssea....that's absurd and repetitive. I have yet, other than "people won't be fighting for dynamis zones", seen any good reason as to why dynamis needs to be changed.

Just sayin~

[Daigotsu]

We can't all play 7 days a week? And I do farm in abyssea, that doesn't mean I'm swimming in gil either.

The LS does certain runs and lets members sponsor...but we also do runs where we sell the currency (at going rate b/c we're not all greedy pricks) and split among the members that came. It's a little way of giving back to the members.

So you assuming that we're raising prices on the currency is stupid. Thanks for automatically assuming my linkshell consists of a bunch of elitist ***holes, our ego will enjoy it. Uhm, I believe he was talking about the current prices in general. The cost of things has remained the same for the last few years, even when money started dropping from campaign, which is a sign in general that the price of currency has been "jacked up." I mean, if I put stuff up for 500 gil less than the going rate, people buy it and mark it up that 500 gil, it's silly.

As to good reasons for the change, how about doing Dynamis, upon Dynamis, upon Dynamis and not getting any gear you actually want because people who don't have a life outside of the game hitting every event and having a ridiculous number of points so they just always outbid everyone? How about people who want to earn a relic on their own without either forming a LS or spending all the time they have farming to get the gil to buy currency?

[Savannah]

I'm still not seeing a good reason >.>

[Daigotsu]

I'm still not seeing a good reason >.>

That means you care more about you play experience than that of others, which is not something that a company looking to make money will really take into account.

[Confused]

Confused/Quetz

[Alhanelem]

All you needed to say is "we don't just do it for gil." But if you only get gil out of it once in a while, then

I also never used the words "bunch of elitist *$%holes", nor did I automatically assume that everyone you associate with is exactly the same as eachother.


I'm still not seeing a good reason >.> Then you're blind, because eliminating the aggrivation of getting jumped and long drawn out events and having to schedule way in advance (only to have it not work) should be reason enough.

Additionally- no one said you had to play 7 days a week. But you can probably play more than 2, which is the current maximum possible.

This post does not constitute endorsement of the petition, no matter what the OP writes.

[Helel]

I really think people should wait for more information to be released. It's totally possible you're only going to be allowed a 60m entry once per day. They said nothing about time extensions. If they do that, that's actually less time than you would normally have if you went once every three days. We just don't know anything about it really. Also, I know a lot of people that hated the idea of abyssea, but then when they actually participated in it, they loved it. Just have some patience! It's not like there's any reason to do dynamis now anyway...

[Savannah]

Al, You implied it. You didn't have to say it.

Also, our ls does things as a whole, and our schedules are completely random. We do 1 dyna run on Saturdays only. Also we've been jumped before. It's whatever...find a new zone *oooooooooooooo*.

Scheduling far in advance, honestly we've never done it. We've never believed in it. I love Abyssea, I liked Campaign. I didn't even touch Brennar or w/e it is.

Like I said originally, if they throw us more details I may reconsider. Just for now, I'd like my dynamis to be old school dynamisy....yes dynamisy.

[Alhanelem]

Al, You implied it. You didn't have to say it.I didn't imply anything. I did have to say it.


It's whatever...find a new zone *oooooooooooooo*.It's not whatever when the zone you planned was the zone your group needed most. Many people like planning things out and like a structured environment.

This situation is tiresome, it's basically just like "I like the old games the best" "I like the old way of doing things" "I like the old this and the old that." You are simply used to a system that's been around. That doesn't mean the system isn't flawed, no matter how much you are used to it and/or like it. I'm sure if these changes were made 5 years ago, you wouldn't be saying "I like the old school dynamis"- since it isn't "old school" when it's newer. Be a little more open minded.

[Unaisis]

i laugh at the fact people are hating something that is not even implemented yet lol. chances are~~~ even tho that the people complaining will end up kinda liking the new way and still stiffen their arse cheeks and say it sucks XD.

i Welcome the change with open arms!!

it sure would be a new and fresh take on old content!!! thereby making the game have new opportunities for events turning for best or worse!! i love it!! it could even be.... Challenging! :O

[bishop]

I disagree with an update that I don't have the full details on. Wait, what?

[Laverda]

Laverda/Bismarck

[Savannah]

Most of the shells who "plan" a dynamis and use the lolcalendar take up to an hour after their "scheduled slot time" to gather....if you're not there and not entering, why would we wait for you just b/c you wrote your name on some website that wasn't even official?

You snooze you lose so sad~

SE....give us more details please. This argument is tiresome~

[Cream_Soda]

I do not approve of this thread :D

[Kailea_Nagisa]

We don't have all the info on it yet, but from what I get right now, its a good change. Dynamis is no longer endgame, so why keep the same restrictions on it?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Most of the shells who "plan" a dynamis and use the lolcalendar take up to an hour after their "scheduled slot time" to gather....if you're not there and not entering, why would we wait for you just b/c you wrote your name on some website that wasn't even official?

You snooze you lose so sad~

SE....give us more details please. This argument is tiresome~

Alot of the shells are on time though, and some people steal their time anyway. Shells that have your attitude pissed me off. Yes the calendar was not official, but it was pretty close, since 90% of the player base followed it.

[Mirabelle]

Can't say I agree with a petition that goes up before we see the final product. Strikes me as hysteria. Like the millenium bug and 2012 end of days predictions. Get a grip people.

[Ilax]

For anyone that wan sign up this petition, i am forced to ask you to not put the reason. I wanted this thread to be clean of argument, but apparently some people [that i obviously don't need to name] are ready to reply to intimidate our decision about not supporting this update. I will immediately edit the main post about it.

I have to add, for who did not notice, the 'OP' was not giving any reason about why you should sign this, i did it so everyone are freedom to research and decide by they own. For sure, I did not create this thread as a rebellion again our great DEV, but more to give the power to who think this update is negative to voice they self.

Thanks everyone for taking time read/sign and not fighting in this thread.

[Thebattousai]

Here's an idea instead of all these bashing threads, how about SE add a poll feature so everyone can just say yay or nay to this and future ideas without all the commentary. Additionally, would also help to keep people anon from all the bashing that can and would happen on the game for speaking their mind.

[Ilax]

Here's an idea instead of all these bashing threads, how about SE add a poll feature so everyone can just say yay or nay to this and future ideas without all the commentary. Additionally, would also help to keep people anon from all the bashing that can and would happen on the game for speaking their mind.

that true, but such of option do not exist atm. I think right now is not a big deal, like i said, i did not say anything to force anyone to sign in, if they stop posting the reason, and the same people keep posting they 'argument' obviously they have a lots of time to waste and in the end they just look even more fool. Not everyone are ready to respect the freedom, but i doubt i learned something new to anyone. I also doubt anyone did sign up the petition blindly, and even if they did they are still free to remove they name out of the list.

[Zaknafein]

The vast majority of people who are against any change to dynamis are ls leaders that have been holding x amount of currency over a players head for a completed relic. They've seen their power dwindling away from them since abyssea was released, and this will be the proverbial straw. Only thing SE needs to do to make these changes be smooth is make it so drops go to the individual, or group that has claim on the mob when it dies. Changes such as a one time glass fee, anyone can enter the zone, and 24 hour cool down benefits players not leaders. Pretty easy to figure out who has a negative view of this update.

[Vivik]

I can't wait for the changes to Dynamis!

[Ilax]

The vast majority of people who are against any change to dynamis are ls leaders that have been holding x amount of currency over a players head for a completed relic. They've seen their power dwindling away from them since abyssea was released, and this will be the proverbial straw. Only thing SE needs to do to make these changes be smooth is make it so drops go to the individual, or group that has claim on the mob when it dies. Changes such as a one time glass fee, anyone can enter the zone, and 24 hour cool down benefits players not leaders. Pretty easy to figure out who has a negative view of this update.

Thanks for posting again in wrong thread, note in this thread i act neutral, so is why [i and other] are not going to say anything about it, but you might have better chance in:

[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn! (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/311-dev1000-Dynamis-Reborn%21)

[Skillium]

I don't know why all the resistance? People still want lolRelic weapons? Dynamis is/was an event meant for level 70~75 people. Those days are over. Let go of the past people.

There are very few pieces of good armor left that come from Dynamis and to have to either join a LS and attend annoying runs that waste everyone's time or self fund a low man group for armor that barely makes a difference compared to current gear is extremely annoying.

And as far as not wanting to change because you'll lose the money from payouts.. are you serious? You can make more money a lot easier in the same amount of time it takes you to do Dynamis.

Changes to this event are needed, a lot. So instead of complaining about something that hasn't happened yet, try to embrace it. Do you really want to be playing the same content for the rest of your lives? FFXI is an online game and it evolves as it grows. This is a step that's needed in its evolution as Dynamis drops aren't anywhere near as useful as they once were.

[CaelThunderwing]

Caelthunderwing/Ifrit as well as Florra/Fenrir

i can recall the hard times and fun days in Dynamis when they were as they are in the old days. :/

[ringthree]

For anyone that wan sign up this petition, i am forced to ask you to not put the reason. I wanted this thread to be clean of argument, but apparently some people [that i obviously don't need to name] are ready to reply to intimidate our decision about not supporting this update. I will immediately edit the main post about it.

I have to add, for who did not notice, the 'OP' was not giving any reason about why you should sign this, i did it so everyone are freedom to research and decide by they own. For sure, I did not create this thread as a rebellion again our great DEV, but more to give the power to who think this update is negative to voice they self.

Thanks everyone for taking time read/sign and not fighting in this thread.

Decision-making without discussion always makes for bad policy. If you think these changes are bad, try to convince people with decent arguments and logic. It seems that there a quite a few people left for you convince. I think it is a bit naive to think you can start a "petition" on an online forum like this and expect people to add their 2 cents.

I think there are a few burdens you need to overcome before you can convince people that the change is bad.

1. You need to prove that the enjoyment of the few people that still do Dynamis outweigh the enjoyment of a much larger group of people that like the changes. Your argument, in essence, is that Dynamis should remain bad content because it keeps other people out of "your" zones. This argument is going to fall on deaf ears for the most part.

2. You need to prove that the changes are going to be bad for your enjoyment of Dynamis. I have seen plenty of posts that make many (mostly false) assumptions about the changes. Perhaps a "petition" would be a better option after you have seen the changes first.

If you want people to support you, then make a convincing argument for them to do so. Just saying "sign the petition, or don't post" is not going to accomplish anything.

[Unaisis]

/stomps feet

No No!!! i dont want to hear it!!!

NO!!!!!!

I dont want Dynamis updated!!!

NO!!!!!

/stomps feet

>.>


a petition for something that's not even out yet is stupid

[Ilax]

For #1 I did... For #2 i also did, but you just prove you can't read as many on this forum.

For last comment, I gave the link where they can talk if they wan, obviously, i have as much fun talking to my hamster then you guys.

Lack of action from MOD here, lack of respect for what i call 'bad update', in the end it all sound like:

i should just shut my mouth.
(I used BIG character just to make you happy, i know this excite you ^^, no need to quote it.)

You know what? As much minority we are not loving this change (at top 1,000) if SE find that right to loose 20,000$ income / month, 240,000$/yr, that they problem. Enough been said here, and i retire myself from this terrible dumb argument. Have fun all, good luck in infinity argument this present post will cause, just you know i am already looking for something else that offer me a better challenge then this. [not like i really have choice atm anyway rofl]

I add up, thanks to all DEV for amazing challenge you gave me in the past, and hope you best luck in the next update you going to do for the game.

[Alhanelem]

Yes, you should. And yes, it's their problem, and no, it doesn't bother them. Frankly I'd find it pretty silly that you'd quit over their effort to improve an event that hardly anyone even does anymore.

[Zaknafein]

Yes, you should. And yes, it's their problem, and no, it doesn't bother them. Frankly I'd find it pretty silly that you'd quit over their effort to improve an event that hardly anyone even does anymore.

Only reasons for them to emo, and quit:

1. They won't have almighty dynamis linkshell control over their member's. Shucks.

2. This will cut into their slave labor force. Boo hoo.

3. Won't have the zone to themselves. Whaaaaaa.

PS: They won't quit over these changes even though they threaten it.

[Odintius]

I certainaly think all old content of the game should be looked at and made renewed. Where were at today in the mmo is not the day's of old thing have to be adjusted and improved for over all balance of the game the end. If dynamis get an overhaul I will welcome it with open arm's and im sure some will not like the changes but guess what that's life. In the end this is a childish argument that fall on false assumptions. I've been here since NA release to and relize this is still a mmo and with that in mind comes with continue evolution of the game mechanics etc. But I do respect the opinion's of other's and this is not attended to offend people view's!

[Rambus]

I agree on dyna needs changing, I disagree with how it sounds it will change.
my biggest gripe is the sounding of making it WoE

This is comming from rambus of bismarck, please think things though in how to change it please.

[svengalis]

Please just stop with this. Let the update happen first before you make assumptions. Dynamis will be more accessible to everyone I don't see what's so wrong with that.

[bishop]

Pointlessly QQ'n and not approving of an update that you don't even know the full details on is hilarious.

[Sama]

Disagree with update.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Dynamis really should be free for all the newer players they are trying to cater to.

Another swipe at also rmt imo

Redistributing mobs would just make it less stressful to farm with a small group ..

not many people do dynamis anymore so it really should be changed also.

[Naturebeckles]

Pointlessly QQ'n and not approving of an update that you don't even know the full details on is hilarious.



I agree with you.

[Penance]

I like the concept behind this update

[Ilax]

Good job guy destroying the thread, good job MOD of this forum for your no-action.

[Alhanelem]

The thread is not "destroyed" because people disagree with you. You cannot tell people not to discuss the topic either. They have every right to do so.

[Ezikiel]

Probably because they're hoping for ways to cockblock and MPK entire alliances out of the zone so they can hoard all the AF2 and currency.

from what i hear parties will not overlap

[KorPoni]

Disclaimer: I do not endorse the petition.

Reason: They are only making it this way in the first few dynamis areas, the four cities and outlands. The reason is, because CoP has been made much easier to progress through, so many dynamis ls's are filling dreamworld dynamis. So, they do not intend on changing how dreamworld dynamis runs are run, but the cities. So, relic is easier to pursue, but relic+1 and accessories will be the same difficulty. Also, drops will be party/alliance-specific, not available to everyone in the zone like it used to be.

[Unaisis]

Disclaimer: I do not endorse the petition.

Reason: They are only making it this way in the first few dynamis areas, the four cities and outlands. The reason is, because CoP has been made much easier to progress through, so many dynamis ls's are filling dreamworld dynamis. So, they do not intend on changing how dreamworld dynamis runs are run, but the cities. So, relic is easier to pursue, but relic+1 and accessories will be the same difficulty. Also, drops will be party/alliance-specific, not available to everyone in the zone like it used to be.

^ ditto

10 character limit


ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Hello everyone, i figured it would worth for the DEV staff to be aware that a lot's of player as myself disagree about this update.

This thread is not created to talk about negative/positive impact of the update but more to give the right picture of who clearly not welcome such of change.

Posting in this thread mean you disagree with the update.

Please do not say the reason
because some would just fight about it or try intimidate your decision, and this thread is not intended for that.

if you have anything you would like to share, it can be done by using the other existing thread:

[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn! (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/311-dev1000-Dynamis-Reborn!)

To DEV: This thread is not intended to cause any trouble to your great work, you guy are very awesome with your update, specially abyssea that of course is a major success :) Thanks you so much to give us such of nice update :cool:Increased accessability, good idea.
ANY adjustments to gear(No drop rates.), bad idea.
The vast majority of the complainers are people that their only source of in-game income is from selling currency not wanting to lose their cash cow.
Again.
Increased accessability, good idea.
Adjustments to gear(Not drops rates.), bad idea.
Dynamis is a dead horse.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Rather than complain about an update that hasn't even had specific details released yet..

Maybe you should make suggestions so it doesn't suck

Dynamis really needs to be more accessible to newer players...

There is very little interest in it among veteran players and making it easier for a small group to farm items would be a great change.

[Ilax]

The vast majority of the complainers are people that their only source of in-game income is from selling currency not wanting to lose their cash cow.

False accusation.. Totalchaosls.com -> Ilax/Fenrir Mandau owner, Concon gungir owner, Littlechaos amano Owner, Angelus Aegis otw.

we do not sell currency, our sponsor spend around 34m + 6month to get relic, we are at our 4th relic completion, our LS is 100% close friend that do it only for fun. Our LS allow only 1 relic weapon max. I have already 16/20 AFv2 complete, do i really care for myself about this update, hell no, but i feel sorry for my friend and anyone on any server that never going to be able get they relic for 34m as we got able for our.

And when i say ONLY for fun, i am talking about me, i could have left long time ago, so littlechaos, cooncon to only name them. There also many of our member that are complete on they AFv2 since age, and they still coming, not because they really wan something out of it, but also because our ls is an social event 2x/week where people join on Skype and talk about they week, talk about what they saw on youtube and so on. Of course you might not give a heck about it, specially if you don't know what 'social event' mean...

Once again you think Mr. everyone will sell they 9 currency total they got from a 4h event for nothing? Expect to pay minimum 10k/currency, hello 186m per relic and only GIL Buyer might be able to afford that. But hey go ahead and keep argue in my petition thread, since MOD do nothing about it...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

but i feel sorry for my friend and anyone on any server that never going to be able get they relic for 34m as we got able for our.Feel sorry for the people who spent 34m on one relic, not the people who are now supposedly going to get it for free. The fact that you stated any monetary value only further proves how much you're trying to hold onto the income you make off of the zone.

[Ilax]

Feel sorry for the people who spent 34m on one relic, not the people who are now supposedly going to get it for free. The fact that you stated any monetary value only further proves how much you're trying to hold onto the income you make off of the zone.

stop your lol-accusation, and do more research about me, mkbye.

[Flunklesnarkin]

About currency prices..

making up fake numbers will not help you promote this petition... SE can adjust the drop rate of currency..

if anything the price of relics will drop




For the part about enjoyment of the challenge of dynamis

copy paste from other thread but holds true here too

There will be more challenges in the game.. dynamis isn't endgame anymore.. nor should it be considered as such...

I'm certain new challenges and actual endgame will be added by the lvl 99 update...

Who knows.. maybe they will add new dynamis zones geared toward lvl 99 players and we can still enjoy the dynamis mechanic as its meant to be enjoyed..

Beating dynamis at level 90 doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment...

and i feel it would be more productive to spend short periods of time farming relic gear for new players that need particular pieces then move on to more entertaining game content.

[Ilax]

Beating dynamis at level 90 doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment...

How many relic weapon you have again? oh wait 0, you right is not an accomplishment. try harder next time.

[Flunklesnarkin]

So your entire argument against an update is it will lessen your accomplishment?

All your other concerns have been addressed and thats the first you've mention that lol

[Ilax]

So your entire argument against an update is it will lessen your accomplishment?

All your other concerns have been addressed and thats the first you've mention that lol

My entire argument is about relic weapon and you know, so stop do your silly clown. Challenge was so much easy you say, but yet you don't tell me you have one relic weapon. Once again try harder next time, if you think is logical to pay 186m instead 34m and think is a good update then seriously you off track by a tons and should really stop posting your garbage.

If you have any decent reason to think i am wrong about it, then elaborate, if no then follow my first comment, stop posting again me.

[Unaisis]

Dynamis is the new Nyzul~ get it done for some fun stuff <AF/new WS> but spend too much time in it to get the crap weapons is stupid since Emph weapons are alot better @.@;;;

[Ilax]

Dynamis is the new Nyzul~ get it done for some fun stuff <AF/new WS> but spend too much time in it to get the crap weapons is stupid since Emph weapons are alot better @.@;;;

And what about who love to spend that much time in it? Just because you don't like it is 100% right to destroy my game play? And if E.Wep are so better, why even bother about me saying they should not do this update, and again tell me how the hell this update will help you on relic weapon, you said it, E.Wep are better so how this update is so great for you?

You not even able to tell me how much gil you would be ready to pay for 1 currency, nor you told me how long you think is logical todo a relic weapon. 20 yr is ok for you?

[Unaisis]

i ussually sell the currency i get from campaign for about 8k

[Ilax]

i ussually sell the currency i get from campaign for about 8k

because you do campaign just for currency? Now think back about it, 4h long 9 currency average, how much again you will sell it? Campaign is not 4h long and you sell currency for 8k go figure.

But anyway you gave me a price, is already good, 8k * 17,500 = 140m, well that already better then my 186m estimation, but still 4x more expensive then what we all paid for our relic weapon (34m) in the current system.

[Unaisis]

i dont care about making crappy weapons with currency lol i leveled alot of jobs in a short period of time and i would like to get some tasty AF for those jobs in a short period of time without the hassle of an ls point system or paying peeps for it. XD if i could go in daily to farm~~~~ that puts a smile on my face similar to the one in my sig hahahaha

[Ilax]

i dont care about making crappy weapons with currency lol i leveled alot of jobs in a short period of time and i would like to get some tasty AF for those jobs in a short period of time without the hassle of an ls point system or paying peeps for it.

I see what you mean, get everything with the less effort as possible (even at the cost destroying other fun), no worry you not telling me anything new about it, i knew there was plenty of people like that playing FFXI.


*Edit* As i posted already, SE should put your *dream lol useless AFv2* for sell in abyssea for only 1k cruor, tell me if i would care about it... Of course that still wont make you happy, because i clearly see your point here, the only thing that will make you happy is destroy the event itself.

[Unaisis]

why not~ if SE offers it, id gladly take it and am sure others will too~ XD


<edit> nice try on the editing instead of posting again~ XD

I wont deny that this update will most definitely Destroy Dynamis as we know it~

The price for currency will Rise and drop dramatically within the first 2-3 weeks or even months after this update. Although as soon as every has had their fill of Dynamis the price of currency will Rise higher than it is now. Now this is good for those Challenge seekers out there~ as it will be more difficult to get currency! While people that Buy currency will have it tough with the new prices~

Either way this is just a test phase SE is doing for Dynamis~ chances are that the next version update we'l see them raising the Currency drop rate~

<edit 2>

I still need my armors for enhanced Meditate and Reward +20%! >=) lmao

<edit3>

Fixed the smile

[Neofire]

Change is good and I think a dynamis over-haul is good. Maybe it will interest me in getting one(if its less of a hassle and more fun)after the update.

[Flunklesnarkin]

My entire argument is about relic weapon and you know, so stop do your silly clown. Challenge was so much easy you say, but yet you don't tell me you have one relic weapon. Once again try harder next time, if you think is logical to pay 186m instead 34m and think is a good update then seriously you off track by a tons and should really stop posting your garbage.

If you have any decent reason to think i am wrong about it, then elaborate, if no then follow my first comment, stop posting again me.

I think you confuse challenge with grind... I guess its a matter of opinion or w/e about how video games should be developed...

Just because something takes a looot of an item doesn't make it a challenge that requires skill or competence..

IE.. getting 10K moat carps isn't difficult.. except for the patience required lol

If you have some sense of entitlement and superiority because you managed to acquire a relic weapon (which fails now compared to empyrean weapons) you need a serious reality check.

Dynamis =/= challenge .. getting a relic weapon =/= challenge

Let go of outdated content and nobody cares about your sense of entitlement.. video games change and get updated... I seriously hope SE doesn't put any weight into your

"This update will ruin my epeen" argument lol

I can't believe you even put that forward.. makes you look like such a tool

[Ilax]

If you have some sense of entitlement and superiority because you managed to acquire a relic weapon (which fails now compared to empyrean weapons) you need a serious reality check.
... [never talked about this]


Dynamis =/= challenge .. getting a relic weapon =/= challenge
... [It is a challenge, if it was not, you would have one as everyone.]


Let go of outdated content and nobody cares about your sense of entitlement.. video games change and get updated... I seriously hope SE doesn't put any weight into your

"This update will ruin my epeen" argument lol


Just wow, hello mod where are you?, beep beep.


I can't believe you even put that forward.. makes you look like such a tool

... and i read a post in other thread that say i am the troll. This is getting so stupid.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Well i've proven what i came here to prove..

you don't actually have issues with the update... you have issues with your "accomplishment" being made less of an achievement.

Even tho dynamis isn't nearly as difficult or challenging as you are trying to make it out to be..

and yes my opinion is valid.. even tho i don't feel like wasting time making a relic weapon .. get over yourself lol

[Ilax]

Well i've proven what i came here to prove..

you don't actually have issues with the update... you have issues with your "accomplishment" being made less of an achievement.

... wow, are you doing it on just on purpose to make me rage? Are you done soon with your false accusation????

BEFORE RELIC WEAPON= 34M


AFTER UPDATE RELIC = 186M


#1) It change nothing for me, i already have my relic. I stated this too many time.
#2) 186m instead 34m, huh it actually make relic weapon HARDER then ever.

i am serious, MOD need come here and make the clean up, tire been attacked with false accusation. If they really don't i will start attack you too.

The only thing you been proving here, is your TROLL SKILL buddy.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Are you going to go back to your failed arguments again..

There is no way you can predict the cost of a relic weapon.. if anything SE will adjust the drop rate of currency to make them cost less.

[Ilax]

Are you going to go back to your failed arguments again..

There is no way you can predict the cost of a relic weapon.. if anything SE will adjust the drop rate of currency to make them cost less.

Dude you too stupid to understand anything, please just stop trying man...

[Flunklesnarkin]

You are right.. i don't understand how you can predict with a straightface the exact cost of a relic weapon after an update...

that no details have been released yet.. seriously .. for reals..

SE has the power to adjust drop rates of currency.. trust me.. they will not make the price of currency skyrocket

[Ilax]

You are right.. i don't understand how you can predict with a straightface the exact cost of a relic weapon after an update...

that no details have been released yet.. seriously .. for reals..

SE has the power to adjust drop rates of currency.. trust me.. they will not make the price of currency skyrocket

And you keep going... They can also add a magic button that give you relic weapon, who care seriously, apparently is what excite everyone in game now.

[Byrth]

I'd like to know how he's getting a 34mil relic weapon without exploiting a linkshell of poor saps that don't realize what they're giving up. The last time I checked on Lakshmi, 6k/12k/13k was the going currency prices.

That puts Spharai (the cheapest relic by far) at about 136mil.

That puts Yoichi (the most expensive relic) at around 178mil.

So yeah, idk how he's doing math, but this update will doubtlessly bring people back to Dynamis. If he's relying on exploiting people to get his unrealistically low gil estimates for a relic weapon, then I don't know what stops him from continuing it after the update. They haven't said anything about how they're going to change the entry system, or if there will even be a fee associated with the key item you get for entry.

More people doing Dynamis = More currency supply. Unless you think that Relics becoming outdated is going to somehow attract people to them and increase demand to match, I'd say price of currency will drop if the update is successful and won't be impacted if it isn't.

[Flunklesnarkin]

There is also no magic button to make your incorrect arguments valid....

What excites most people in the game now is empyrean weapons.. not relic weapons...

and as i've stated before.. SE has the power to adjust the drop rate of currency.. they would not let things get too out of balance.. they wouldn't let currency become too common or too rare.

[Ilax]

I'd like to know how he's getting a 34mil relic weapon without exploiting a linkshell of poor saps that don't realize what they're giving up. The last time I checked on Lakshmi, 6k/12k/13k was the going currency prices.

Totalchaosls.com, all name are there, why not asking them 1 by 1?

[Ilax]

There is also no magic button to make your incorrect arguments valid....

What excites most people in the game now is empyrean weapons.. not relic weapons...

and as i've stated before.. SE has the power to adjust the drop rate of currency.. they would not let things get too out of balance.. they wouldn't let currency become too common or too rare.

For this i will answer: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

[Ilax]

almost forget to also point, blah blah blah blah blah



oh


and blah. Good argument right?

[Byrth]

Because it's a PITA and I don't have to talk to them to know that your work:reward ratio is substantially better than theirs.

[Ilax]

Because it's a PITA and I don't have to talk to them to know that your work:reward ratio is substantially better than theirs.

blah blah blah blah.

[Byrth]

At least you write what I read now.

[Ilax]

For who just joined the thread, the reason of those: blah blah blah, is to resume the fight here. Reading blah blah blah or what i already explained, and said many time, have no difference. At this point you can just skip reading (Because yes this thread derailed...)

[Vivik]

For who just joined the thread, the reason of those: blah blah blah, is to resume the fight here. Reading blah blah blah or what i already explained, and said many time, have no difference. At this point you can just skip reading (Because yes this thread derailed...)

Maybe you should make an effort in making your point more clear.

[Flunklesnarkin]

At least ilax isn't hiding behind valid concerns anymore..

His entire argument is derived from 6 year old logic...

[Ilax]

At least ilax isn't hiding behind valid concerns anymore..

His entire argument is derived from 6 year old logic...

i know right, i had to ajust it for you lmao.

[Unaisis]

Blah blah blah? O.o;;;

[Flunklesnarkin]

Blah blah blah? O.o;;;

I know.. why didn't einstein think of this..

[Ilax]

Blah blah blah? O.o;;;

blah blah blah blah ^^

[Zumi]

This thread is full of fail. Arguing against stuff that actually would make the game better. If it was up to you guys this game would just die off because they don't make any improvements to it.

[HFX7686]

I want the Dynamis changes to happen. I like change. Change is good.

[ericnuke]

The one thing that will happen is that the price of currency should fall. The ones who are sitting stage3+ with millions of gil invested are the only ones that are gonna be whining about any changes to dyna.

[Ilax]

This thread is full of fail. Arguing against stuff that actually would make the game better. If it was up to you guys this game would just die off because they don't make any improvements to it.

Never said i disagree with improvement, not mean i agree with entire 'new update' they about to do in dynamis.

[Flunklesnarkin]

The thread was made because ilax didn't want his "achievement" to become less spectacular


Never mind the fact that dynamis is seriously outdated and few people bother with it anymore

[Flunklesnarkin]

Never said i disagree with improvement, not mean i agree with entire 'new update' they about to do in dynamis.

I haven't seen you make one useful suggestion to the dev team.. all you do is say they shouldn't go through with the update..

or they should instance dynamis.. ffxi isn't capable of instancing zones...

[Ilax]

The one thing that will happen is that the price of currency should fall. The ones who are sitting stage3+ with millions of gil invested are the only ones that are gonna be whining about any changes to dyna.

Elaborate why this would happen? Wait nvm don't, for sure currency will drop in price, i totally see what you mean, man i was so wrong :( Why other did not tell me this...


Seriously can we quit this silly troll game?

You know who you make me remember? All those ppl that said: Currency gonna fall down when SE reduce glass form 1m to 500k.

[Ilax]

I haven't seen you make one useful suggestion to the dev team.. all you do is say they shouldn't go through with the update..

prove once again you can't read.

[Flunklesnarkin]

prove once again you can't read.

Here's your thread.. make suggestions to SE ..

**adjust drop rate of currency so it doesn't become too expensive or cheap

**Can't instance zones but rearrange mobs and adjust respawn times so a shared zone is feasible

**Force pop attestation NM's / Zone bosses

that wasn't so hard.. maybe you can add a few suggestions...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

... wow, are you doing it on just on purpose to make me rage? Are you done soon with your false accusation????

BEFORE RELIC WEAPON= 34M


AFTER UPDATE RELIC = 186M


#1) It change nothing for me, i already have my relic. I stated this too many time.
#2) 186m instead 34m, huh it actually make relic weapon HARDER then ever.

i am serious, MOD need come here and make the clean up, tire been attacked with false accusation. If they really don't i will start attack you too.

The only thing you been proving here, is your TROLL SKILL buddy.As I have pointed out before, your falling back on the price only gose to show how much you care about the money you make off of synamis and nothing more.
Maybe the DAY after the update, but you're being far too short sighted. With the constant infux into the market, the prices are going to drop fast, making relic afordable and available to to everyone.

[Ilax]

Here's your thread.. make suggestions to SE ..

**adjust drop rate of currency so it doesn't become too expensive or cheap

**Can't instance zones but rearrange mobs and adjust respawn times so a shared zone is feasible

**Force pop attestation NM's / Zone bosses

that wasn't so hard.. maybe you can add a few suggestions...

Leave those zone as it is, make dynamis - whitegate and so on. But again i just repeat myself. You could have foudn all that if you take time read my post.

[Byrth]

I'll provide a brief history of sponsorship, in case someone finds this in the future and decides to listen to what this guy is saying.

Sponsorship is an idea that basically started with the advent of Dynamis. Most Dynamis groups could hardly make it out of cities, and the phenomenal amount of currency required for upgrades seemed daunting considering the currency/run people were pulling in. With Relic weapons looking like a distant dream, most people were more than happy to have one guy take all the otherwise-useless currency in exchange for fronting the money for each run.

To put this in perspective, people complain about Alexandrite now. If you're lucky, you get about 50 Alexandrite per run and can do a run once per day essentially for free (just takes time, and takes less than 3 hours). At Dynamis release, most groups were averaging fewer than 100 currency per run and they could only enter every 3 days, and it took 1mil per run. Not only is the trade (1mil for <100 currency) comparable to ~10k currency prices now, but progress on any given relic would have been slower than getting a mythic. People willing to make that financial commitment got their currency, and a few eventually got their relics.

Fast forward a year. Strategies have been hammered out, all but the dregs of the FFXI world are getting 200+ currency per run average, people have started outland rotations. This would have been a reasonable time to abandon the funding system and start doing payouts, but rule systems had already been made and would drag on in some linkshells all the way to the present.

Fast forward to now. Currency returns per run have doubled, entrance price has halved, and member numbers have halved. Sponsorship hasn't been defensible for years, but people still defend it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

The only thing you been proving here, is your TROLL SKILL buddy.Flunkltrollkin, that has a nice ring to it. Flunk you should change servers, make a character with your existing name and then move back so you cna change yours. lol

[Ilax]

As I have pointed out before, your falling back on the price only gose to show how much you care about the money you make off of synamis and nothing more.
Maybe the DAY after the update, but you're being far too short sighted. With the constant infux into the market, the prices are going to drop fast, making relic afordable and available to to everyone.


I AM NOT MAKING GIL WITH DYNAMIS

This update is actually an option for me to actually make GIL out of it..... are you blind or you really do it on purpose to look smart ass?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Leave those zone as it is, make dynamis - whitegate and so on. But again i just repeat myself. You could have foudn all that if you take time read my post.

So you claim to have suggestions.. but your only suggestion.. is don't do an update.. make one new zone?

[Ilax]

So you claim to have suggestions.. but your only suggestion.. is don't do an update.. make one new zone?

Why that is not a valid suggestion? you find i am wrong to ask SE to not FIX was is not broken?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Leave those zone as it is, make dynamis - whitegate and so on. But again i just repeat myself. You could have foudn all that if you take time read my post.No, addition zones would require new and/or updated gear(not to mantion our favorite buzz words, PS2 Limitation!) and dynamis is old face it. Old gear should not be surpassing the new gear just because you want more.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I AM NOT MAKING GIL WITH DYNAMIS

This update is actually an option for me to actually make GIL out of it..... are you blind or you really do it on purpose to look smart ass?But you already said that your LS is making money off of selling currency.

[Ilax]

No, addition zones would require new and/or updated gear(not to mantion our favorite buzz words, PS2 Limitation!) and dynamis is old face it. Old gear should not be surpassing the new gear just because you want more.

The hell? When did i say SE had to put better gear then the old one i have? When did i even talk about it, only thing i said is how AFv2 is garbage (99% of it) and i doubt that interest much ppl about it, so is of course is all about currency.

[Ilax]

But you already said that your LS is making money off of selling currency.

What? When did i say my LS sell currency??? Wow just wow man... your read skill just fall in the drain.

[Ilax]

Think i am better to just continue with: blah blah blah at least people seem to understand better.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Sure you don't.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Ilax is just concerned about the price of currency.. and doesn't want the zones to change..

I have faith in SE's ability to adjust the drop rate of currency as needed..

He is hiding behind his fake numbers because he wants to protect his "achievement"... he is worried relics will become more common.

[Daremo]

It's the end of Dynamis as we know it.

And I feel fine.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Ilax is just concerned about the price of currency.. and doesn't want the zones to change..

I have faith in SE's ability to adjust the drop rate of currency as needed..

He is hiding behind his fake numbers because he wants to protect his "achievement"... he is worried relics will become more common.Which is like worrying that Ash Stalves will become for common. lol
I would like the bow for sam though. ^^

[Ilax]

@Tsukino_Kaji lmao... that was fail of you... big time also.


because: ITT: Buying/selling currency is same as buying a glass.. right...

[Ilax]

Also Tsukino_Kaji, if you ready to sell me the currency at same price it been costing for us: 500k/300 = 1.6k, let me know, i will take them.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Also Tsukino_Kaji, if you ready to sell me the currency at same price it been costing for us: 500k/300 = 1.6k, let me know, i will take them.Gladly, after the update.

[Valaris]

valaris/valefor

[Rambus]

I do not know what is going in this thread anymore but I will say this

Dynamis needs changing/updating. I hope they will do great overhals to it so exp gain and farming makes it interesting for level 90/99

I would be open to new drops to upgrade relic armor like how there is relic +1 now into +2

make the upgrades true upgrades a lot of NQ>+1 was more show off

I can say the same for ein. limbus, asssult , savage and so on.

What worrys me greatly abotu the dev 1000 statment is this

DO NOT MAKE dyna like WoE-.-

how does that not happen with key item entery?

how does my ls only enter?

I dont care if this change makes relics easier to get, i want stuff to do other then abyssea

[Antaress]

/signed, please don't destroy dynamis....

[Runespider]

They have already created it, it just needs to be added. If you really think they won't add it now no matter how many posts you add you're crazy.

[Alhanelem]

/signed, please don't destroy dynamis....
Well, they've heard you. they're not destryoing it, they're making it more accessible, less frustrating, and honestly, probably more fun.

[Rambus]

/signed, please don't destroy dynamis....

agreed, I am re-signing after hearing more details

[xiozen]

This is pointless because many people are happy that they're changing dynamis. Your assumptions about "easy mode" and "ruining" the event you "love" so much are based in nothing.

Disclaimer: This post does not constitute endorsement of this "petition."

I agree wholeheartedly with this guy! This thread should be locked... it's a complete waste of time.

[TUVAE]

Tuvae of Ragnarok here signing on. I dislike the up and coming changes. However i do approve of the entry time requirements being lowered. every 24 or 48 hours is fine with me! It wont even be dynamis anymore. It will be a whole new event with the way they are changing it.

[Alhanelem]

Thanks for necrobumping this inactive-for-weeks thread, TUVAE of Ragnarok. Please check the post dates before you bump old threads.


It will be a whole new event with the way they are changing it. And that's why it's a good change. People have been doing dynamis for years and years. A change is just what it needs.

[Rambus]

There is nothing wrong with bringing this issue back up, would hate for it to be "forgotten"

SE> we have less work to do now because people forgot to object!

anyways yeah basically what i said before, there needs to be new content within dyna like the other instance content (assault, savage, ein, limbus).

there needs to be "more" to dyna then just getting currency like relic +2 gear to improve traits or spell skills like how i still use relic gloves on sch or blm.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Online petition's don't work

[Zeroth]

Can I petition against the petition?

[Andylynn]

This is pointless because many people are happy that they're changing dynamis. Your assumptions about "easy mode" and "ruining" the event you "love" so much are based in nothing.

Disclaimer: This post does not constitute endorsement of this "petition."

Agreed. People in this game need to stop jumping to conclusions that everything SE is trying to do within the next few months as a way to hurt their game, job, content, whatever. People here are such pessimists, and conclusion jumpers...

[Rambus]

Agreed. People in this game need to stop jumping to conclusions that everything SE is trying to do within the next few months as a way to hurt their game, job, content, whatever. People here are such pessimists, and conclusion jumpers...

what are you talking about? what is the problem with commenting on changes before it comes out? this is not alla or bg that is made for "complaining" for the sake of complaining, it is to let the DEV think about other changes to make with their update.

[Zyeriis]

Commenting =/= Dumb Baseless Petitions

Petitions =/= Wanting any form of Change

It's not a discussion thread, they simply don't want anything to happen.

Oh no! Zombie Thread!
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/102/threadnecromancyns1nf0.jpg

[Rambus]

Commenting =/= Dumb Baseless Petitions

Petitions =/= Wanting any form of Change

It's not a discussion thread, they simply don't want anything to happen.

Oh no! Zombie Thread!
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/102/threadnecromancyns1nf0.jpg

I guess but doesn't hurt to make into that, still talking about the changes

[Wenceslao]

Wenceslao/Ramuh

[Animal2020]

well i do thuink it is funny how folks are complaining about changes that have not taken place yet. so how in the heck do any of you guys know how the changes will effect the zones? yho uhave a crystal ball? so untill yo uhave a clue what the changes will actualy do to the game play you have no reason to cry about it. and ifyou are one of the ones who can lookinto the future then please give me the winning lottery numbers.

[Vadreucant]

Dislike the new setup Vadreucant/Fenrir

[Atomic_Skull]

Because petitions actually work.

[Yarly]

Yarly/Ramuh

[Runespider]

I like the Dynamis update, had a lot of fun with it :)

Got some coins too, so made back the money i spent on the entry. Doubt it has long term appeal, but right now I'm having a blast with it.

I think the coin change is really good, it stops people hogging them and lets everyone get some. This is now a viable means to make some pocket gil for everyone.

[Gennadi]

I vote for George W. Bush for president