R.I.P. Steve Jobs

[Volkai]

Steve Jobs, one of the founders of Apple Computers, a visionary genius who is in many ways responsible for the technolog(y/ies) we use to play Final Fantasy XI Online, has passed on today.

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

[Atomic_Skull]

Steve Jobs, one of the founders of Apple Computers, a visionary genius who is in many ways responsible for the technolog(y/ies) we use to play Final Fantasy XI Online, has passed on today.

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/


Right now Bill Gates is laughing maniacally in his skull shaped volcano lair.


Seriously though, They both stole the GUI from Hewlett Packard.

[MDenham]

If by Hewlett-Packard, you mean Xerox, then yes.

Also, this has absolutely no relevance to FFXI because FFXI doesn't run under Mac OS in a supported configuration. :D

[Arcon]

Responsible how? What did he actually do?

A man died, a man like everyone else. Only he was a scam and a fraud, and horribly annoying to boot. Actually... that is like almost everyone else. My condolences to his friends and family. To the people who think he was special: get over it.

[Eradius]

He has been their marketer for years, he has not innovated anything in that time.

People are crying over the death of a CEO who made more money in a year than they will in a lifetime.

Excuse me for having zero pity for him.

[Kaida]

Isawthiscomming

[Volkai]

Right now Bill Gates is laughing maniacally in his skull shaped volcano lair.

Actually... http://www.thegatesnotes.com/Personal/Steve-Jobs


As for how Steve Jobs has relevance to our ability to play FFXI, in short: Without Steve Jobs, the Apple II would never have taken off - would never have been made, most likely. Without the Apple II, the Personal Computer would not have become A Thing.


Additionally, while Jobs was indeed very rich, I think it's worth pointing out that most of that value was through shares of Apple stock and Disney stock - and he got the Disney stock as part of Disney's acquisition of Pixar.


Steve was certainly not a perfect person, but it's undeniable that he changed the world, and I think at least this thread ought to be one of remembrance, of respect.

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EDIT: I think this is worth a read - http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/10/06/141105703/steve-jobs-how-apples-ceo-helped-transform-popular-culture

[Arcon]

Spoiler!




Actually... http://www.thegatesnotes.com/Personal/Steve-Jobs

Old Bill and his public image. He prolly wrote that entry from his skull shaped volcano lair.


Without the Apple II, the Personal Computer would not have become A Thing.

Outrageous lie. The PC was unavoidable from the moment Alan Turing theorized his ideas of computation. Nothing that Jobs did or didn't do would have changed that, or even put a dent in the technology. And even without Turing it was just a matter of time. Computers are a natural part of evolution. It was the next step from where we were before. We're where we are because this is how it had to be. Not even five more world wars and an ice age would have stopped computers, let alone old Stevie.

And let's assume for just a second, that Jobs was in some way necessary for computers to have emerged, it doesn't mean that he's responsible or that it's even his doing. It's coincidental relevance, not an achievement. It's like saying that without Hitler humans wouldn't have gone into space, because he shaped the world like he did and made people work on certain sciences that were for military application at first, but eventually, allowed space shuttles to be built.


Steve was certainly not a perfect person, but it's undeniable that he changed the world, and I think at least this thread ought to be one of remembrance, of respect.

This thread ought not to exist in the first place. This forum is for and about FFXI, and even if by your logic Jobs is responsible for it, he is still not a part of it and shouldn't be discussed here. You don't see me making a thread to hail Leonhard Euler (who, by the way, deserves it a lot more than Jobs ever could).

[Enkrateia]

Greetings!

Because the thread can be tangentially related to how people play the game, it will not be locked or deleted at this time.

However, some comments are already taking a negative tone regarding the death of a person. To keep this thread open and available, please make sure to keep any comments respectful and any arguments that occur civil. There may certainly be disagreements about this person, as there would be about any person, so please keep these things in mind when posting a reply.

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[scaevola]

A very sick man is no longer suffering. Today is a good day.

[Sparthos]

It's like saying that without Hitler humans wouldn't have gone into space, because he shaped the world like he did and made people work on certain sciences that were for military application at first, but eventually, allowed space shuttles to be built.

Oh my, this thread has already been Godwin'd.

[Coldbrand]

It isn't related, no mac client.

[Mirage]

I'm sure there are plenty of threads on Steve Jobs' death on forums more relevant to what he did in his life. I'm not sure why one is needed on this forums as well. It just seems out of place, like a planar rift in boyahda.

[FrankReynolds]

"I sense a great disturbance in the force.... as if a million Apple Fanbois all cried out at once , and then were suddenly silenced."

[Ryce]

It isn't related, no mac client.

I've been a a Mac user since Mac came out. I was a also PC user until my MacBook could run FFXI. I play FFXI on my Mac. I know others who do the same.

But I digress.

Steve and his company have done tremendous things for our world. Whether you think Apple's technical contributions are significant or not, there is simply no denying that Apple has brought the PC, smartphone, and now tablet computing platforms into mainstream consumerism. They have literally changed the way most people live their lives.

That being said, this doesn't really belong on an FFXI forum.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I play FFXI on Windows on a Mac contradictions go.

This thread doesn't belong here but this post had nowhere else to go.

[Raxiaz]

ITT: butthurt over nothing

[erevan]

As posted by Enkrateia, the haters and lovers should not be arguing over this, a person has passed before his time, he was 56; and that the only things that really should be mentioned are condolences to his family and friends. Everyone has lost someone, how would you feel if that information got posted someplace and it started an arguement over whether it should be or there.
He did a lot of good things with the technology and I'm sure he will be missed by a lot of people.

For those who cannot at least be respectfull of him, at least please be respectfull of a fellow human being.

[Atomic_Skull]

As for how Steve Jobs has relevance to our ability to play FFXI, in short: Without Steve Jobs, the Apple II would never have taken off - would never have been made, most likely. Without the Apple II, the Personal Computer would not have become A Thing.


It always amazes me how the latte cult have convinced themselves that Jobes created the entire PC industry in a vacuum.

The idea of a personal computer was not new and had been around in various forms since the 50's. There were computers that would be recognized today as a "PC" to the casual observer as early as 1973 (the Xerox Alto). Commodore had the PET in development at around the same time the Apple II was being developed targeted at the same market segment (educational use).

Also the Atari 400/800 and the Commodore VIC 20, and C64 did far more to popularize the home computer than the Apple II ever did.

Saying that home PCs would not exist if not for the Apple II is like saying that computer viruses would not exist if not for Elk Cloner.

I know because I personally watched it happen (my first computer was a VIC 20 btw)

[Baccanale]

Greetings, everyone!

As Enkrateia mentioned earlier, this thread may be locked or deleted if it became too off-topic or disrespectful. Unfortunately, it does seem that this thread has tread quite far from being about the game, so the thread has to be closed. Thanks again for your participation!