Ninja 2HR... Why isn't it changed yet?

[Anubis]

Can we get a response from the Dev's about, why is Ninja's 2hr still the same? It's imo the most useless 2hr, as in you kill yourself for crappy dmg, and no reraise effect upon using. The mythic weap alows for reraise with more hp when most of the time, hp level don't really matter cause of temp or having a healing job in party, along with /dnc sub. So can we get a response on why is ninja 2hr so useless to combat situation (tanking, dding) and why if any, that the dev's (not community) decide to leave it so.

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[Greatguardian]

What? They've updated Mijin Gakure already. It removes weakness when you reraise up. It's easily one of the most useful non-combat 2hrs in the game.

Why? Do you not have Reraise? Get Reraise.

[Anubis]

Yeah they updated so we dont get weaken but its still by far useless. And yeah "non-combat" which is bs, nin isn't something of a mage job, most of the time when im on nin i use it to remove weakness, but it doesn't help if your whm and other mages are out of mp (out side abyssea) like in dynamis, you cant do jack. And it's not a matter of reraise which is 10 cp which is a joke.

Would rather have a 2hr thats actually beneficial to myself in a combat situation not something useless when your messing around.

[esoR]

go play dancer

[Anubis]

Also would rather people atleast have the job 90 and actively play it to reply or have the job main, if not then please gtfo and go post on your own job forum, really dont want to to be clutter with useless responses. I'm asking a question to the dev or the dev reps not the idiots of ffxi community.

[Greatguardian]

Being able to instantly remove weakness is pretty damn useful in a combat situation.

Edit: Esor is a Kannagi NIN and I'm a NIN95. Get the frack out with that "Hurrr durrrr main job or gtfo" nonsense you ignorant troglodyte.

[Anubis]

Having a kannagi doesn't make you anything special so once again gtfo and stop thinking your anything worthwhile. Bandwagon nin's gtfo.

[Cesil]

I think he means he would rather have veteran ninja's opinions...people who had it 75 from back in the day, before Abyssea..etc. Unfortunatley it is hard to tell anymore who is veteran on what job because of how much the game has changed...:/

[Anubis]

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Love how you base your information from ffxiah...

[Greatguardian]

Love how you base your information from ffxiah...

Love how you needed your girlfriend to come in here to try to clean up after your tempter tantrums. That's pro. You are so obviously capable of expressing a coherent thought without relying on other people to translate it for you.

I am an old school Ninja. I'm an extremely elitist Ninja. In fact, I firmly believe that I am better than you at Ninja. I still think this thread is worthless. Your faux-machismo bullcrap isn't going to fly here, son.

[Tamoa]

I don't know why you would call Mijin Gakure useless. Especially in lowman situations, inside or outside abyssea - if you go down, you can get up (assuming you were smart enough to use rr before starting the fight/event if outside of abyssea), use rr if necessary (I always carry a rr scroll when on nin outside of abyssea), 2hr, and bam! you're back in action and quite possibly save the day. Or in this case, the fight.

There are other jobs who have 2hrs which really deserves an overhaul, much more so than nin and Mijin Gakure.

Oh and I dinged 75 nin 5 years ago, is that veteran enough for you?

[Cesil]

Well, I agree with Anubis that it does have room for improvment. It isn't about mages having enough MP really...or not having enough RR. If you compare NIN 2hr to other ones it doesn't seem as useful. A lot of other 2 hours can turn the battle around when things get bad. Ninja's (The one's I played with) don't die. The ninja's I play with only die when it is a mass wipe...then the 2hr is kind of useless.

I agree it is useful (If they die a lot...) to be able to get rid of weakness. But if you don't die..then well, it is useless.

[Cesil]

inb4 lock. He did not ask me to reply...I did on my own. I feel the same way. He does not need me to defend him or anything...


I'm an extremely elitist Ninja. In fact, I firmly believe that I am better than you at Ninja

If you were you would not be dying as much if ever and realize how useless it is >.>

[Greatguardian]

Hundred Fists only matters when you're solo or don't have a Bard. Wild Card has the potential to do practically nothing. Spirit Surge is incredibly lame. Trance is useless when the limiting factor of step/waltz usage is Timers rather than TP, which is always. I could go on.

There are a lot of useless 2hrs, and many 2hrs that aren't useless are still not unique or the best abilities in the class. Mijin Gakure has a very explicit purpose, and for that purpose it's pretty great. No, it's no Mighty Strikes, but it doesn't really need to be. If they wanted to add a Reraise effect to Mijin, I'd be down with that. But they really shouldn't need to =/.

Edit: Stalking? =/ No. When a guy comes in here with <10 posts calling well known elitist jerks "noobs", I'm going to wonder who the frack this guy is. His character information is public domain, and he has "<3 Cesil" plastered on his FFXIAH. I straight up have no idea who either of you are beyond that. But I do think that you're trying way too hard to cover up for his rampant stupidity and temper tantrums.

If he wants to dig himself into a hole by being a ginormous flaming showerbag all over these forums, that's his own prerogative. If you want to jump in there to try and justify him, that's yours. He's still a troglodyte.

[Anubis]

Love how you needed your girlfriend to come in here to try to clean up after your tempter tantrums. That's pro. You are so obviously capable of expressing a coherent thought without relying on other people to translate it for you.

I am an old school Ninja. I'm an extremely elitist Ninja. In fact, I firmly believe that I am better than you at Ninja. I still think this thread is worthless. Your faux-machismo bullcrap isn't going to fly here, son.

Once again your an ass and not contributing to this conversation so butt out please. fyi i dont need my gf to fight for me, she can do as she please but love how you pick at little bs and cause your insecure with what you are or how you play the game you have to troll every new thread that is posted and try to act like your little exsistance on a game matters so, once again nicely please gtfo, and if you cant read, my initial post clearly ask and seeks out a dev or dev rep's response. not people like you.


I don't know why you would call Mijin Gakure useless. Especially in lowman situations, inside or outside abyssea - if you go down, you can get up (assuming you were smart enough to use rr before starting the fight/event if outside of abyssea), use rr if necessary (I always carry a rr scroll when on nin outside of abyssea), 2hr, and bam! you're back in action and quite possibly save the day. Or in this case, the fight.

There are other jobs who have 2hrs which really deserves an overhaul, much more so than nin and Mijin Gakure.

Oh and I dinged 75 nin 5 years ago, is that veteran enough for you?

Thank you for posting something worthwhile. I always carry multi reraise items when im on ninja. But im talking about situation low man or big group situations where it counts like back in the days on hnm or dynamis or voidwatch or w/e that takes some thinking. If you have a ninja tank and the tank goes down, more than like everyone else will, reason why ninjas go down when they do go down is because of insane tp moves and magic elements and for those reason if a ninja goes down everyone else most likely will unless a pld or a mnk (up to date) is present which isnt always around in party due to not everyone choose to go with the same jobs set up to everything. But as i was saying once the nin goes down everyone else fall with it, and when that happens the ninja reraise use its 2hr and yeah its able to rr with unweaken state its not going to help much with support jobs who are weaken and we all know the hate situation isnt as what we would all like it to be.

[Tamoa]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea

[Greatguardian]

All I'm gathering from your [Anubis] posts are the following:

1) You don't know how these forums work. The Community Team doesn't respond to threads like yours. Ever.

2) When you post a thread, you have to deal with anyone who wants to post in it posting. Don't like it? Go back to the flaming cesspool that is FFXIAH. We won't miss you.

3) You are so fracking Beta, it's hilarious. You are trying way too hard, bro.

4) You must play with absolutely terrible players if the death of a single Ninja means everyone else is dead and weakened by the time you RR, Mijin, and RR again. Nothing is that flimsy.

[Soranika]

Seeing this completely in action, Mijin Gakure is usually used as a death warp without exp lost or a very VERY quick way to remove weakness. In truth, A LOT of two hour abilities are without any real combat usage, but not without situational purpose. In short, deal with it.

Having a mangled cock skin waving contest of who's a better nin isn't going to help your cause if you're unwilling to accept any answer that is not what you want to hear.

[Tamoa]

Thank you for posting something worthwhile. I always carry multi reraise items when im on ninja. But im talking about situation low man or big group situations where it counts like back in the days on hnm or dynamis or voidwatch or w/e that takes some thinking. If you have a ninja tank and the tank goes down, more than like everyone else will, reason why ninjas go down when they do go down is because of insane tp moves and magic elements and for those reason if a ninja goes down everyone else most likely will unless a pld or a mnk (up to date) is present which isnt always around in party due to not everyone choose to go with the same jobs set up to everything. But as i was saying once the nin goes down everyone else fall with it, and when that happens the ninja reraise use its 2hr and yeah its able to rr with unweaken state its not going to help much with support jobs who are weaken and we all know the hate situation isnt as what we would all like it to be.

The harder VWNM fights I would never ever use nin as tank. Not sure I would use it as tank for the easy ones either to be honest. Nin is pretty weak outside abyssea still, although better than it used to be, but still weak. If you know what you are about to fight does insane tp moves, aoe magic and stuff like that, a nin tank is a bad idea.

In my ls, we have a nin present (an alt char, not a main) for procs, that's it.

[Yukichibi]

Maybe they could reverse damage formula, the less HP you have, the better the damage, so when you ll die anyway you can sacrifice yourself for "good" (at least not crappy) damage, or they can make migawari prevent you from dying. (it's not me that explosed, it's the log, i swear).

There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

[Tamoa]

Ninja's (The one's I played with) don't die. The ninja's I play with only die when it is a mass wipe...then the 2hr is kind of useless.

So dying when it's a mass wipe doesn't count as dying? It only counts if the nin is the only one to die?

And pardon me, but if it's a mass wipe, isn't just about EVERY 2hr useless? Maybe with the exception of rdm and blm 2hr, to finish off a mob that's @ 1-2% - assuming they aren't double weakened.




I agree it is useful (If they die a lot...) to be able to get rid of weakness. But if you don't die..then well, it is useless.

No it's not useful if they die a lot in one battle. It's useful in those oh shit moments when the nin goes down.




There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

You're absolutely right. And why it's called Invincible I'll never understand - magic and ranged attack still does damage. Your idea doesn't sound half bad tbh, lol.

[scaevola]

If Dancer could erase weakness once every two hours, I'd have soloed 85 Masamune by now.

MG isn't the the flashiest two-hour in the game but it allows Ninja to do something that literally no other job can do: completely bypass the game's wipe mechanic. That anyone would call that weak even on a job that wasn't one of FFXI's primary tanks blows my mind.

[Cesil]

Tamoa what you said was what I meant lol >.< I guess I worded it poorly ; ;

[Anubis]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea


Indeed, that my inital post was really to inquire to the dev about what their opinions on MG. If this is what they expected it to be. Then once we got a reply we would go ahead and point out all of the other 2hr's and how they are in the same manner as nin. Then would go ahead and ask the community how to improve MG and the other 2hr's.


Seeing this completely in action, Mijin Gakure is usually used as a death warp without exp lost or a very VERY quick way to remove weakness. In truth, A LOT of two hour abilities are without any real combat usage, but not without situational purpose. In short, deal with it.

Having a mangled cock skin waving contest of who's a better nin isn't going to help your cause if you're unwilling to accept any answer that is not what you want to hear.

I agree, every other jobs has the same feature as ninja in theory. In the current game people can always HP to remove weakness. Getting back to a monster and its camp isn't much of task like it once was, hence that is why ninja's 2hr is USELESS its just an easy means saving few cruor's? or exp. (which is joke now in the game to obtain)


Maybe they could reverse damage formula, the less HP you have, the better the damage, so when you ll die anyway you can sacrifice yourself for "good" (at least not crappy) damage, or they can make migawari prevent you from dying. (it's not me that explosed, it's the log, i swear).

There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

Yeah i like this idea a lot give us something that makes us sacrifice ourself to be worthwhile... not something where we could easily HP to get weakness off.

[esoR]

NIN essentially has a reset button for a 2hr, which is amazing in the limited situations its used in. i personally dont have any issues with it, but i'm not hearing detailed alternatives on what you think could replace it.

it's quite balanced as it is, so i'm not sure what you want from nin.

also i began playing nin about 3-4 years ago, and it has since become one of my mains, i list rng as my main because it's the job i enjoy the most, even if it isnt the one i play every day.

[Mirage]

weakness-removal from mijin gakure has saved a lot of fights I've participated in. I would say it is far from useless.

[Kimble]

Its more like, while it doesn't have a wide variety of uses, when it does has its use, its extremely useful.

It was very useless before the remove weakness fix. Since they, its far form that.

But as others have said, lets see your idea on how to improve it.

[Rearden]

If I ever needed to 2h back in the day on Ninja at "hard" content like "HNM" then I wasn't doing my job and couldn't be called "veteran".

Though, I also wasn't engaged on those mobs either and was using a Terra's Staff so I'm not entirely sure what your point is? Mijin is easily one of the best 2h in the game ESPECIALLY for low man situations. Any WHM that can't curebomb themselves until you're up with a set of shadows is just as terrible as people who actually ride apoc/mijin to begin with.

Also, it's a trap.

[Babekeke]

Any WHM that can't curebomb themselves until you're up with a set of shadows is just as terrible as people who actually ride apoc/mijin to begin with.

I think you meant to say 'until the thf mule that was only there for TH uses accomplice'. ;p

[Tamoa]

Mijin Gakure can also possibly save the fight in the event of a mass wipe, assuming the mob can be kited. Get up, 2hr, get back up, get shadows up and kite till the party/alliance has recovered. A weakened whm should be enough to keep you alive while you kite.

[Novowels]

i still want an answer to how Reacton Arm Enhances Mijin

[kewitt]

how is it useless. Infact I love the way it currently is.
Ninja tanking NM,
Ninja dies.
Warrior tanks.
Ninja gets raised
Ninja pops reraise
Ninja goes boom..
Ninja gets up cured without weakness.!

So your saying a 20 second weakness is useless vs a 5 min one?

[Tamoa]

i still want an answer to how Reacton Arm Enhances Mijin

It adds 10% to your Mijin Gakure damage.

[Mizuharu]

NIN 2hr is fine. Fix PUP's AI. Or DRG's 2hr.

[Dfoley]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea


As a pup and mnk I gotta say....

Mnk 2 hr is useless if you have bard haste + whm its gonna add maybe 4% haste to you
Pup called, its 2hr is so hurt it was left off the list and its worse than 80% of the jobs you listed.
THF and PLD you can atleast see a difference
WAR 2 hr is far from useless. Its used every time you fell cleave...
All in all, i feel the OP doesn't understand how useful their 2 hr is compared to other jobs and frankly from the reading of this thread I get the strong impression that they aren't even that good at their job (read as: They had no clue how the 2hr is supposed to be used.) It might just be the elite-trollness of his postings, but frankly when I see that all i can picture is some 12 year in their moms basement rageing over how a game isn't fair because they cant use game genie.

That being said, adding an innate reraise to it wouldnt be over powered.



/tosses a "Troll Carrot"

[Tamoa]

As a pup and mnk I gotta say....

Mnk 2 hr is useless if you have bard haste + whm its gonna add maybe 4% haste to you
Pup called, its 2hr is so hurt it was left off the list and its worse than 80% of the jobs you listed.
THF and PLD you can atleast see a difference
WAR 2 hr is far from useless. Its used every time you fell cleave...
All in all, i feel the OP doesn't understand how useful their 2 hr is compared to other jobs and frankly from the reading of this thread I get the strong impression that they aren't even that good at their job (read as: They had no clue how the 2hr is supposed to be used.) It might just be the elite-trollness of his postings, but frankly when I see that all i can picture is some 12 year in their moms basement rageing over how a game isn't fair because they cant use game genie.

That being said, adding an innate reraise to it wouldnt be over powered.



/tosses a "Troll Carrot"

My pup is lvl 1, I don't even know what pup 2hr does lol. ; ;

And yes, that's what I meant when I said mnk 2hr isn't always as powerful as people might think.

Thf and pld 2hr is less useful than Mijin Gakure in a party/alliance.

And you're right about war 2hr, I totally didn't think of FC, probably because I never do it myself due to my shitty pc. I lag out if I have too many mobs beating on me at once. But in an oh shit moment in a party/alliance, a war's 2hr isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

[Anubis]

As far as what I would like to see happen with MG. It would probably be something like a combination of the few.

1. Make migawari null dying when using MG(so that you don’t get the dead animation on floor 0 hp thing) and add bonus dmg to the 2hr as your hp decrease.

2. Adjust dmg of MG that would make it worthwhile to use, not MGing on something critical you or a group is fighting and only doing like 101 dmg..

3. Monster status aliments have it inflict some kind of server weakness on a monster like max stats and hp/mp down for like 30-1min duration.

4. Or even something on the lines where you'd sacrifice yourself for the good of the battle but when you get up, you can have a temp aftermath that enhances your skill set/dmg output.


Also still looking forward to a Dev/Dev Rep response on their opinion on MG and if it’s a successful to the job. And is this what they envisioned for ninjas and its current role. Also how did they intend for it to be used and what would it do specifically.

[Cesil]

I don't feel that a 2HR should only be used as an "Oh-shi*" moment or whatever...I don't know if that is what SE intended or not though so I can't say..just my opinion(Which I am certainly entitled to have, just as everyone else is entitled to theirs, which I respect). As SCH and BLU I use my 2HR a lot and just keep getting ISL and what not. I am certainly not in an O-shi* moment....kind of wish all of them were that useful.

[Anubis]

Once again don't even know why people are posting about other 2hr and if they are useful or useless. I do not care. I made this post to get some insight on what the dev thinks about ninja 2hr and if possible to improve it from being by far an easy way to get rid of weakness. I really don't know how many of you can use a pc and not know how to read. Would really appreciate it if you'd plain out stop posting trash or basically talking out of your butt when you clearly have no idea about what I’m asking her or whom I’m addressing my initial post too. And maybe those of you that are posting asinine replies to it should really go back to your game and review the way on how you actually play the game. Don't blame me because you don't have the intelligence to play a mere video game.

Getting tired of nonsense posting on here.. Learn how to shut up and keep to your self, when something isn't addressed to you or is asked for your opinions.

[Kimble]

You can't post a thread in an PUBLIC FORUM and tell people what they can and can not post. You can't sit there and go "This is ONLY FOR ONE PERSONS EYES" when anyone can walk in and read it.

The reason why people bring up other jobs 2hr is simply 1) To show that NIN 2hr is no where as bad as you make it out to be and 2) To show that other jobs need adjustments to their 2hrs before NIN does.

Also, I was under the impression that BLU 2hr still sucks so not sure why you are using it all the time.

Maybe you don't care, but doesnt mean that everyone else that has responded in this thread doesnt care either.

[Rearden]

Can we get a response from the Dev's about, why is Ninja's 2hr still the same? It's imo the most useless 2hr, as in you kill yourself for crappy dmg, and no reraise effect upon using. The mythic weap alows for reraise with more hp when most of the time, hp level don't really matter cause of temp or having a healing job in party, along with /dnc sub. So can we get a response on why is ninja 2hr so useless to combat situation (tanking, dding) and why if any, that the dev's (not community) decide to leave it so.

For those of you that cannot read.

T H I S - I S - A - Q U E S T I O N - T O - T H E - D E V / D E V - R E P - n o t - t h e - c o m m u n i t y .

T H I S - I S - A L S O - Q U E S T I O N S - P E R T A I N I N G - T O - N I N J A - a n d - i t s - 2 H R - n o t - e v e r y - o t h e r - j o b s .

What is this "we" mess? When I see "we" I assume you are including other people, but then later you say that other people should not be included. This is confusing.

You should change it to "I" because you are the only one who has a problem with one of the better 2h abilities in the game.

[Greatguardian]

ITT: Random FFXIAH poster thinks he matters.

[Spiritmage]

You guys really need to chill out and stop the fighting over the forums. Anubis simply asked if SE was ever going to make some changes to MG, and the majority of you derailed the topic. If you can't add to the topic or stick with it, then don't post here. I'm pretty positive he's not the only person in the whole wide world that would like to see a change to MG. His approach may have been rude at first, but at least he went straight to the point. I don't have Ninja leveled passed sub job at the moment (however I am thinking of taking it further for my own purposes), but I could say MG could use more improvements. For instance, how the mobs use it (being AoE and not dieing from it). Some kind of improvement like that could be nice, but say a catch to it being you have to use it in a certain percent range of your max HP.

[Greatguardian]

You guys really need to chill out and stop the fighting over the forums. Anubis simply asked if SE was ever going to make some changes to MG, and the majority of you derailed the topic. If you can't add to the topic or stick with it, then don't post here. I'm pretty positive he's not the only person in the whole wide world that would like to see a change to MG. His approach may have been rude at first, but at least he went straight to the point. I don't have Ninja leveled passed sub job at the moment (however I am thinking of taking it further for my own purposes), but I could say MG could use more improvements. For instance, how the mobs use it (being AoE and not dieing from it). Some kind of improvement like that could be nice, but say a catch to it being you have to use it in a certain percent range of your max HP.

You don't have NIN leveled and/or a Kikoku? OP would tell you to get out of this thread.

You really should not be white knighting him. Try reading this thread for a moment and you'll realize that the only off-topic bullcrap came spewing right from the OP's throat. While the rest of us were actually discussing Mijin, he decided to go all "Herp derp I'm an emotionally insecure beta male" on us and turned his crap thread into an even bigger pile of crap.

Mijin is pretty neat. It's not universally useful, but it's unique and good at what it does.

[Tamoa]

You guys really need to chill out and stop the fighting over the forums. Anubis simply asked if SE was ever going to make some changes to MG, and the majority of you derailed the topic. If you can't add to the topic or stick with it, then don't post here. I'm pretty positive he's not the only person in the whole wide world that would like to see a change to MG. His approach may have been rude at first, but at least he went straight to the point. I don't have Ninja leveled passed sub job at the moment (however I am thinking of taking it further for my own purposes), but I could say MG could use more improvements. For instance, how the mobs use it (being AoE and not dieing from it). Some kind of improvement like that could be nice, but say a catch to it being you have to use it in a certain percent range of your max HP.

How is stating our opinion on Mijin Gakure and giving examples of when it's useful, derailing the topic? Is comparing it to other 2hrs derailing the topic? I hardly think so.

[Anubis]

What is this "we" mess? When I see "we" I assume you are including other people, but then later you say that other people should not be included. This is confusing.

You should change it to "I" because you are the only one who has a problem with one of the better 2h abilities in the game.

When i say we im including other who feel the same way i do, people who comment on this thread with the same outlook and ninja 2hr, not other idiots who arent main, doesn't know anything about the job, doesn't even play the job fulltime, basically bandwagon idiots. And no i am not the only one who feels this way, a lot of other veteran feel the same if you truly are a ninja, this is for the people who love the job to death not some random jack*** who feel they need to post on every thread or forum cause they have no gf or life.

[Spiritmage]

I expected this to happen, I didn't mention names bar one, I merely stated my opinions. It seems that that can't be tolerated on these forums.

Yes I don't have Ninja leveled, but it doesn't mean that I didn't take the time to learn the basics of the job and understand how to use it.

I've read this thread, I understand where this is all going, I also understand this was posted on the Ninja forums, yet other people decided to bring in other jobs' 2 hours into this.

I don't know what to say, but it does seem to me that no matter what anyone posts on ANY forums, there's going to be someone out there that just wants to stir up trouble (and don't include me in this, as I said, i merely stated my OPINIONS).

I've been playing since the release of Chains of Promathia, so don't go telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Cesil]

I expected this to happen, I didn't mention names bar one, I merely stated my opinions. It seems that that can't be tolerated on these forums.

Yes I don't have Ninja leveled, but it doesn't mean that I didn't take the time to learn the basics of the job and understand how to use it.

I've read this thread, I understand where this is all going, I also understand this was posted on the Ninja forums, yet other people decided to bring in other jobs' 2 hours into this.

I don't know what to say, but it does seem to me that no matter what anyone posts on ANY forums, there's going to be someone out there that just wants to stir up trouble (and don't include me in this, as I said, i merely stated my OPINIONS).

I've been playing since the release of Chains of Promathia, so don't go telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

This. It is as if people are not allowed to have opinions at all. Also folks don't seem to understand why bringing up other 2Hr's is not really helpful and has little or nothing to do with OP purpose. I don't mind people discussing stuff and what not...if they want to they are more then welcome to make another thread...instead of derailing this one and then wondering why OP getting frustrated. >.>

[Tamoa]

When i say we im including other who feel the same way i do, people who comment on this thread with the same outlook and ninja 2hr, not other idiots who arent main, doesn't know anything about the job, doesn't even play the job fulltime, basically bandwagon idiots. And no i am not the only one who feels this way, a lot of other veteran feel the same if you truly are a ninja, this is for the people who love the job to death not some random jack*** who feel they need to post on every thread or forum cause they have no gf or life.

Here's a tip: do not post on a forum where every member has equal rights to post, and expect replies only from people that agree with you.

Neither you nor I or any other forum member has the right to tell who can and cannot post in this or any other thread on this forum.

Trying to do so, especially in how you edited your very first post, you come across as incredibly arrogant and rude. You might not care about that, but expect reactions from other people.



I expected this to happen, I didn't mention names bar one, I merely stated my opinions. It seems that that can't be tolerated on these forums.


That's exactly what the majority of us have been doing aswell. We are of the opinion that Mijin Gakure is fine as it is, and we are of the opinion that other job's 2hrs need improvement way more than nin 2hr does. And we have given examples of which 2hrs we have in mind.

[Anubis]

Here's a tip: do not post on a forum where every member has equal rights to post, and expect replies only from people that agree with you.

Neither you nor I or any other forum member has the right to tell who can and cannot post in this or any other thread on this forum.

Trying to do so, especially in how you edited your very first post, you come across as incredibly arrogant and rude. You might not care about that, but expect reactions from other people.

Lol you should really take your own advice. Also should learn how to stay on topic, you know? Love how you give me so much attention, you and the other ill-intelligent poster from cerberus.

[Tamoa]

Lol you should really take your own advice. Also should learn how to stay on topic, you know? Love how you give me so much attention, you and the other ill-intelligent poster from cerberus.

I don't make threads or posts on this or any other forum and then say "OMG IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME F**K OFF AND DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING".

And I'll stay on topic np, it was just some advice from me to you (not that you give a damn, that's pretty obvious).

[Greatguardian]

I expected this to happen, I didn't mention names bar one, I merely stated my opinions. It seems that that can't be tolerated on these forums.

Yes I don't have Ninja leveled, but it doesn't mean that I didn't take the time to learn the basics of the job and understand how to use it.

I've read this thread, I understand where this is all going, I also understand this was posted on the Ninja forums, yet other people decided to bring in other jobs' 2 hours into this.

I don't know what to say, but it does seem to me that no matter what anyone posts on ANY forums, there's going to be someone out there that just wants to stir up trouble (and don't include me in this, as I said, i merely stated my OPINIONS).

I've been playing since the release of Chains of Promathia, so don't go telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

You misinterpreted my entire post. I don't care who posts here. The OP was the one giving everyone crap about it.


This. It is as if people are not allowed to have opinions at all. Also folks don't seem to understand why bringing up other 2Hr's is not really helpful and has little or nothing to do with OP purpose. I don't mind people discussing stuff and what not...if they want to they are more then welcome to make another thread...instead of derailing this one and then wondering why OP getting frustrated. >.>

Tell that to your boyfriend. You know, the one who says no one but Devs are allowed to post in this thread? Mijin Gakure is pretty neat. It's a unique ability that no other job has anything remotely similar to. I don't think it needs any modification at all. Oops, guess that means I'm not allowed to post here.

PS: "Ill-intelligent" is not a word.

[Anubis]

I don't make threads or posts on this or any other forum and then say "OMG IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME F**K OFF AND DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING".

And I'll stay on topic np, it was just some advice from me to you (not that you give a damn, that's pretty obvious).

I love people to post on my topic to build it up and to see what they can offer to it, but when people automatically read what i said and have the wrong understanding of it, instead of posting again and asking to reword or basically rephrase it, you guys just went ahead and pulled stuff out of ur ass, and assumed bs, then went ahead to trash the initial post and derailed it.

I've even went as far as to re-edit my first post to rework what im trying to get across to devs but once again people just plain out like drama and add useless crap to it, and that where i get frustrated where most the useless **** on here just post stuff without having an understanding or seek and understand about the post.

[Anubis]

You misinterpreted my entire post. I don't care who posts here. The OP was the one giving everyone crap about it.



Tell that to your boyfriend. You know, the one who says no one but Devs are allowed to post in this thread? Mijin Gakure is pretty neat. It's a unique ability that no other job has anything remotely similar to. I don't think it needs any modification at all. Oops, guess that means I'm not allowed to post here.

PS: "Ill-intelligent" is not a word.

I love the attention you give. Love how you feel the need to stalk me online :D. Love how you contribute to this topic by posting stuff from out of your butt. Love how your so smart that you keep posting to rack up the view count so maybe the dev's will take a look at it and reply :D We owe you a lot bro. we are so glad you live a basement and have all the in the world to visit this topic and keep bumping it up to the top :D. Good job and keep it up :D

[Anubis]

My gf is a successful surgeon, yours is a trap. Quit beta'ing, a real alpha wouldn't throw out the gf, RL, veteran card.

Someone trying to compensate would.

Lol okay? that post has nothing to do with you, but love how you felt the need to bring your self into it, as far as your post are concerned keep it up, add more the view please cause that is all your contributing to this topic.

[Kimble]

Honestly, what you don't understand, YOU are doing more self harm to your topic with the way you are acting.

Acting like because someone doesnt have a relic (which, from everything ive read, is almost always worse then a Kannagi, might have changed now with 95 but I doubt) and that doesnt use ninja 100% have no right to give their opinion is just dumb.

Also, its pretty ignorant to be like "Its like people cant have opinion!". Its fine to have an opinion, but you need to accept the fact that its other peoples opinion that NIN 2hr is fine the way it is.

[Tamoa]

I love the attention you give. Love how you feel the need to stalk me online :D. Love how you contribute to this topic by posting stuff from out of your butt. Love how your so smart that you keep posting to rack up the view count so maybe the dev's will take a look at it and reply :D We owe you a lot bro. we are so glad you live a basement and have all the in the world to visit this topic and keep bumping it up to the top :D. Good job and keep it up :D

Now that's just pathetic.




Acting like because someone doesnt have a relic (which, from everything ive read, is almost always worse then a Kannagi, might have changed now with 95 but I doubt) and that doesnt use ninja 100% have no right to give their opinion is just dumb.


Don't forget he only obtained said relic this month. I know because I happened to see the screenie when it was on FFXIAH front page only a few days ago.

So basically, if someone had made a thread like this last month, he wouldn't have been allowed to post in it.

[Kuishen]

My gf is a successful surgeon, yours is a trap. Quit beta'ing, a real alpha wouldn't throw out the gf, RL, veteran card.

Someone trying to compensate would.

This. I levelled NIN 6 months ago, just finished a kannagi, most of my sets are damn near perfect and I probably play the job infinitely better than you. I don't feel the need to point that out in every one of my posts though. And you're retarded if you think you can restrict who replies to a topic on a public FORUM (an internet media for PUBLIC DISCUSSION).

So congratulations on making yourself look anything but what you claim to be. Except idiot, you're doing a pretty good job at that one.

Ninja's 2-hour is fine, if anything the damage could be increased a little as even with a brew and 9999 hp it still only does like 2-3k, which means the formula for damage is severely lacking.

[Anubis]

I give up trying to educate people lol. This is probably my last post until a mod take control on this forum and keeps it on track. And until we get a post from a mod dev or dev rep feel free to argue amongst yourselves, keep bumping up my topic so it gets viewed by SE. Thank you all :D

[Kimble]

Not to be mean but, what exactly are you trying to "educate" people on?

[Kuishen]

Not to be mean but, what exactly are you trying to "educate" people on?

That he's better than anybody else at NIN because he's a "veteran" and plays it 100% of the time. Duh.

[Skirata]

Hi everyone.

Thank you for all of your comments here in this thread. We'll have the dev team will look over any suggestions. But it has gone off topic for quite a bit. And we will be closing this thread now. Thank you and have a nice day!