[dev1000] Dyna Reborn!(This is a joke...right?....Right?)

[Krystal]

After all these years of players working their butts off to get their hard earned relic pieces...after all the work of farming for gil to buy those darned hourglasses....SE is seriously going to revamp Dyna in a fashion to make it more readily accessible and PLUS have mobs give them exp? If they did this a few months after Dyna's release i'd be hoping for joy...but after all this...after they've done made abyssea a leech zone for lazy players who don't want to earn their levels after all that work? they're going to turn it into a darned exp zone?! what's next?! they gonna drop the level cap from 65-30 on that one too?! oh and while their at it...might as well rename dyna "Abyssea II"! i mean seriously people....after all the hard work we put into getting our relic...the losing of exp and working up a buffer knowing we would just lose it again..and now seeing this? making the mobs actually give exp now? it's a slap in the face to us players who have been with this game since the beginning!(psst! SE! forget dyna zones and focus on raising that darned level cap to 70!) but anyways back on subject. once again SE is bowing down to what the complainers and the lazy players want! Any thoughts on this? becuase i got loads but i want to hear other's opinions.*is expecting some player who wants everything easy to post first*

[Atima]

SE is seriously going to revamp Dyna in a fashion to make it more readily accessible and PLUS have mobs give them exp?

Pretty much this. Dynamis has been out for quite some time. If you don't have what you need from there by now, it won't be that much more difficult to get. Just won't need so many people and you won't be able to reserve the zone to yourself. Items will still drop. The zone isn't disappearing, just changing so more ppl can benefit from it while the vets can still get what they want as well.

[Krystal]

Pretty much this. Dynamis has been out for quite some time. If you don't have what you need from there by now, it won't be that much more difficult to get. Just won't need so many people and you won't be able to reserve the zone to yourself. Items will still drop. The zone isn't disappearing, just changing so more ppl can benefit from it while the vets can still get what they want as well.

eh...if they drop the mob's level down so that you can actully solo one...or at least not need a full allaince i suppose that wouldn't be too bad..but still...

[Alhanelem]

It's not a joke, and it's the greatest thing ever.

in before the "oh, they made CoP easier after we worked our butts off to get our hard earned mission wins!"

Older content gets easier over time. It happens in *EVERY* MMO. I spent years and years doing 4+hour dyna runs every 3 days, sometimes scheduling work around it. I put in all the hard work you and everyone else did, but yet I could not be happier about this change. No more linkshells jumping your xarcabard run you planned a month ago, no more 4 hour events you dont really have time for but do anyway!

[Greatguardian]

I key-mastered my RDM 37-50 in abyssea, and main healed with it 50-90 in about 3 days. I capped its skills in about 2 days. I've had the job for maybe a month or two. I have a Duelist's Chapeau.

Dynamis isn't hard. It hasn't been hard for a very long time. Dynamis was an adventure when it was first released, and it was glorious. Izzy/DynamisBums, you will be remembered. But it's an event long past its hey-day. Any half-coherent party of 6 can full clear most zones. People have been begging for a re-working of old content to make it viable and worth doing in 2011. This is *Exactly what they asked for*, and I am nothing but elated for it. What good were the RoZ Dynamis zones for anyways aside from farming Currency to sell or (lol) fund a relic? It's not like they're changing CoP zones, which were significantly better to farm for Relic armor anyways.

[Atima]

Just look at the Dynamis stuff you have now as a testament to the level of patience you have (especially if you did it at all before the level increases).

[Topdogg]

Hopefully next major update will be april 1st and this will be their april fools joke. But you never know, it could work out fine.

[Fiarlia]

eh...if they drop the mob's level down so that you can actully solo one...or at least not need a full allaince i suppose that wouldn't be too bad..but still...

O_o

Uh, they can pretty much be solo'd already. Some of them could at 75. >_>

Hell, at 75 you could have an 8-man team full clear the starting cities.

The heck are talking about "drop the mob's level down so that you can actually solo one"? I mean, come on... really?

[DamonWolfe]

I dunno why "elitist" players get so upset that their hard work is being "underminded"

SE realizes that FFXIV isn't gonna be good any time soon and a lot of players are gonna be hitting up on FFXI.

And to encourage people to stay, they gotta make things a bit easier to work with, and now it is getting that way.


I see this issue come up with abyssea and that other thread like "Oh make the entry cap at 70+"

at this point and time most people have "abused" these things, no point on punishing the last bits of people who haven't had a time yet, that isn't fair to the newer players.

[Greatguardian]

I dunno why "elitist" players get so upset that their hard work is being "underminded"

SE realizes that FFXIV isn't gonna be good any time soon and a lot of players are gonna be hitting up on FFXI.

And to encourage people to stay, they gotta make things a bit easier to work with, and now it is getting that way.


I see this issue come up with abyssea and that other thread like "Oh make the entry cap at 70+"

at this point and time most people have "abused" these things, no point on punishing the last bits of people who haven't had a time yet, that isn't fair to the newer players.

The funny, albeit interesting part about this is that all of the real "elitist" players posting in both this and the other thread were against those things. To be honest I haven't seen a legitimately elitist player complaining about things being made easier in quite a while. They pop up occasionally on BG, but they're typically people who've quit anyways. Or relic holders, but it's really hard to blame them, ha.

[DamonWolfe]

The funny, albeit interesting part about this is that all of the real "elitist" players posting in both this and the other thread were against those things. To be honest I haven't seen a legitimately elitist player complaining about things being made easier in quite a while. They pop up occasionally on BG, but they're typically people who've quit anyways. Or relic holders, but it's really hard to blame them, ha.

I quoted "elitist"

I look at this a bit differently, people who accept something as something and does not like change, wanting things to be a specific way only, as this is the best way for it, or how they feel things should be.

So when change comes, they are quick to complain/judge and such about it.

[Greatguardian]

Ah, I see. That's definitely different from the meaning I'm used to hearing. Not mutually exclusive, or inclusive. But definitely different. In that case I agree completely.

[Babygyrl]

i can understand some peoples frustration with the changes because it took so long to get relics.. but frankly it had been too ridiculously long and tedious to get one for a long time.. its finally going to be accessible for everyone with a dream of getting a relic and finishing it in a timely matter..it doesn't help that alot of people dont do namis any more and are selling currency at a ridiculously high price.. i love these changes and cant wait for them to be implemented!

[HFX7686]

After all these years of players working their butts off to get their hard earned relic pieces...after all the work of farming for gil to buy those darned hourglasses....SE is seriously going to revamp Dyna in a fashion to make it more readily accessible and PLUS have mobs give them exp? If they did this a few months after Dyna's release i'd be hoping for joy...but after all this...after they've done made abyssea a leech zone for lazy players who don't want to earn their levels after all that work? they're going to turn it into a darned exp zone?! what's next?! they gonna drop the level cap from 65-30 on that one too?! oh and while their at it...might as well rename dyna "Abyssea II"! i mean seriously people....after all the hard work we put into getting our relic...the losing of exp and working up a buffer knowing we would just lose it again..and now seeing this? making the mobs actually give exp now? it's a slap in the face to us players who have been with this game since the beginning!(psst! SE! forget dyna zones and focus on raising that darned level cap to 70!) but anyways back on subject. once again SE is bowing down to what the complainers and the lazy players want! Any thoughts on this? becuase i got loads but i want to hear other's opinions.*is expecting some player who wants everything easy to post first*

I'm looking forward to the Dynamis changes. I've got a couple of sets that are 4/5 pieces and I'd like to finish them off. No one does Dynamis runs regularly anymore so this change will be really nice.

[Salvation]

After all these years of players working their butts off to get their hard earned relic pieces...after all the work of farming for gil to buy those darned hourglasses....SE is seriously going to revamp Dyna in a fashion to make it more readily accessible and PLUS have mobs give them exp? If they did this a few months after Dyna's release i'd be hoping for joy...but after all this...after they've done made abyssea a leech zone for lazy players who don't want to earn their levels after all that work? they're going to turn it into a darned exp zone?! what's next?! they gonna drop the level cap from 65-30 on that one too?! oh and while their at it...might as well rename dyna "Abyssea II"! i mean seriously people....after all the hard work we put into getting our relic...the losing of exp and working up a buffer knowing we would just lose it again..and now seeing this? making the mobs actually give exp now? it's a slap in the face to us players who have been with this game since the beginning!(psst! SE! forget dyna zones and focus on raising that darned level cap to 70!) but anyways back on subject. once again SE is bowing down to what the complainers and the lazy players want! Any thoughts on this? becuase i got loads but i want to hear other's opinions.*is expecting some player who wants everything easy to post first*

For someone that has actively complained about everything in this game it's a wonder why you still even bother playing. You're seriously complaining about SE revamping old / obsolete content? Here's a hint as to why they're doing that: this game is over eight years old. The majority of the "new" players are ones that are returning; of which I'm sure more than half had originally quit because of problems with the old systems. You sit here and complain that SE is making changes to this game, you incessantly cry over abyssea and changes made to the exp system in general, and now you want to actually make the claim that this dynamis update is somehow going to take away players' "hard work"? What work? The most difficult thing there was to do in dynamis was staying awake for the 3+ hours it usually ran.

So while you are sitting at your computer intently looking for the next great injustice brought about by the dev team why don't you try to keep a few things in mind:

1. No one is forcing you to participate in any of the content in this game
2. If there are so many people that feel as strongly as you do that the devil (Abyssea, easier exp, revamped content) is a bane to the existence of this game then perhaps you should all congregate together on a server and actively not participate, or protest, or burn books, or whatever it is you people do with your time
3. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that others aren't enjoying it
4. Realize it's a game and if you don't like the changes being made you are always free to voice your opinion quitting the game.

[MrWigglles]

After all these years of players working their butts off to get their hard earned relic pieces...after all the work of farming for gil to buy those darned hourglasses....SE is seriously going to revamp Dyna in a fashion to make it more readily accessible and PLUS have mobs give them exp? If they did this a few months after Dyna's release i'd be hoping for joy...but after all this...after they've done made abyssea a leech zone for lazy players who don't want to earn their levels after all that work? they're going to turn it into a darned exp zone?! what's next?! they gonna drop the level cap from 65-30 on that one too?! oh and while their at it...might as well rename dyna "Abyssea II"! i mean seriously people....after all the hard work we put into getting our relic...the losing of exp and working up a buffer knowing we would just lose it again..and now seeing this? making the mobs actually give exp now? it's a slap in the face to us players who have been with this game since the beginning!(psst! SE! forget dyna zones and focus on raising that darned level cap to 70!) but anyways back on subject. once again SE is bowing down to what the complainers and the lazy players want! Any thoughts on this? becuase i got loads but i want to hear other's opinions.*is expecting some player who wants everything easy to post first*

The FFXI player base has dropped out the bottom. Changes have to be made.

[Delsus]

All this shows is that games companies give in to people crying "this game is too hard" "i only get to play for 1hr a day but i should get everything" its what we are seeing all around the games industry, watering down games to satisfy people who cant be bothered to work things out or put any time into them.

Look at ff1-9, you had to think about things, work things out, you werent always told where to go you had to work that out as well, now you just follow a path and get everywhere you need to go with no inteligence what so ever.

and to the people saying how dynamis is (soon to be was) is just a time sink, guess what, time sinks have been in games forever. How about SE just send a relic, mythic, lvl90 empyrian to everyones delivery boxes for no work at all?

One thing that anoyed me was in the ffxiv alpha test when people were crying for tutorials, when they werent needed, people just couldnt be bothered to work things out.

[Cream_Soda]

ITT: People who care too much about others.

"It was hard for me it should be hard for them"

It's becoming better for EVERYONE.

[Delsus]

ITT: People who care too much about others.

"It was hard for me it should be hard for them"

It's becoming better for EVERYONE.

Its not becoming better for everyone, easy games are boring, most people I know want to play long, challenging games, but games companies want to make them easy and short. when you can get lvl 30-90 and get a full relic in 1 month the game is too easy and subscritpions will fall, the casual players are the minority of the player base, and the only reason hardcore players do the pathetically easy content now is because the gear is better.

I am only keeping my subscription in the hope that SE stops what they are doing and puts some challenge into the game. if they dont they might as well just send all the best gear directly to the players and kill the game because it will die if they dont make it more of a challenge

[Dirtyal]

As a long time enjoyer of Dynamis, I'm kind of sad to see the old method put to rest. half of me inside is all giddy about it though lol. After having RDM to level for so long, and over 5 years of doing Dynamis' and seeing so many hats going to others (for the most part was excited to see them get it, but still cried a little inside each time haha) now I can see it easier to get the darn thing.
I think I saw that this is only the original Dynamis zones?? Maybe I read it wrong but I see that as SE saying "OK alot of people will be unhappy, some will like it some wont. Lets compromise, we'll take the "easy" zones and make it "more accessible" but leave some of the zones for the more "Old-fashioned" players." Win for everyone? Sounds like it.
Maybe it's just me, but I still have faith in SE that at some point, when 99 is reached, a great new end game idea will be released. Abyssea will be the means to level and skill to get there, but there will be new challenges like the old Sky/Sea/Dynamis areas we all hold so dear to our hearts that we love to hate.
Also, I think maybe the idea of this forum was for SE to get a better understanding of what people want, how about instead of criticizing all the changes they implement, we give cheers for them just trying to revamp the game we all love(no im not saying everyone criticizes everything in forums not meaning any insult to anyone) and trying to make it interesting in some fashion. If we can provide well thought ideas on things we might like to see added maybe its something they can start implementing for us.
I know I went off Dynamis topic, I'm sorry to rant on lol. But, yea, go SE keep making the game relevant and exciting /cheer

[Krystal]

For someone that has actively complained about everything in this game it's a wonder why you still even bother playing. You're seriously complaining about SE revamping old / obsolete content? Here's a hint as to why they're doing that: this game is over eight years old. The majority of the "new" players are ones that are returning; of which I'm sure more than half had originally quit because of problems with the old systems. You sit here and complain that SE is making changes to this game, you incessantly cry over abyssea and changes made to the exp system in general, and now you want to actually make the claim that this dynamis update is somehow going to take away players' "hard work"? What work? The most difficult thing there was to do in dynamis was staying awake for the 3+ hours it usually ran.

So while you are sitting at your computer intently looking for the next great injustice brought about by the dev team why don't you try to keep a few things in mind:

1. No one is forcing you to participate in any of the content in this game
2. If there are so many people that feel as strongly as you do that the devil (Abyssea, easier exp, revamped content) is a bane to the existence of this game then perhaps you should all congregate together on a server and actively not participate, or protest, or burn books, or whatever it is you people do with your time
3. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that others aren't enjoying it
4. Realize it's a game and if you don't like the changes being made you are always free to voice your opinion quitting the game.

don't you even care about what happened to the challenge? that's what the big issue is about here. i love a challenge. and SE is taking every challenge FFXI has..one after the other and turning it into a laughing stock. i pay roughly $25-30 a month on FFXI with all my content IDs included. sure that don't seem much at a small glance but think of it one the long term scale 25x5 years=$1,500-$1800(if i'm doing the math right) now times that by the player base who wants a challenge in the game which makes up more than half of the Alexander server which has roughly 1200 people in it 600x1,500=$900,000-$1,080,000 now looking at those numbers...that's one hell of a profit not even including how many content IDs other players may have and how much their monthly totals to...now consider this: Those players all leave due to the lack of challenge in the game.....ya...that's bad for them! unlike you i don't look at the here and now i look at it from a long term business point of view. which makes your statement about the"here and now" pretty much irrelevant but not completely. the points you made at the bottom are dead on...but i stay because i love this game no matter how much FFXI kills it..however if they kill it much more i may actually leave.

[Malamasala]

How about SE just send a relic, mythic, lvl90 empyrian to everyones delivery boxes for no work at all?

If I ever saw a MMO do this, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The worst part of MMOs have always been the part where you have to spend hours, every week, doing things you don't want to do. All because some item drops from the activity.

Also you should consider your example in real life. If someone gave you a car for free, would you complain that you didn't get to work and earn the car, or would you be happy? Another good question is if you'd complain that you didn't earn the money for the car by working at a farm, LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYs, and instead got the easy patched version where you worked in an office.

It all usually boils down to the same thing. You want bragging rights. You want to be able to say you spent 500 days playing FFXI and now got 20 jobs at 90. You want to say you got a relic weapon, that nobody else has. Any sane person would accept things for free as long as they'd have some enjoyment out of the item.

[Delsus]

If I ever saw a MMO do this, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The worst part of MMOs have always been the part where you have to spend hours, every week, doing things you don't want to do. All because some item drops from the activity.

Also you should consider your example in real life. If someone gave you a car for free, would you complain that you didn't get to work and earn the car, or would you be happy? Another good question is if you'd complain that you didn't earn the money for the car by working at a farm, LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYs, and instead got the easy patched version where you worked in an office.

It all usually boils down to the same thing. You want bragging rights. You want to be able to say you spent 500 days playing FFXI and now got 20 jobs at 90. You want to say you got a relic weapon, that nobody else has. Any sane person would accept things for free as long as they'd have some enjoyment out of the item.

You are somone that has been spoiled by modern games that you can clock in 1 day and get everything in 2, also if you want everything given to you then you shouldnt play mmos, mmos are designed to take awhile, not so you can get everything in 1 month cancel your subscription then never play again. Any mmo that does this will die a fast death.

If SE can make it so it takes 2yrs to get somthing they will make alot more money than if you can get everything in 3 months and its somthing that keeps you playing.

Oh and if you check my ffxiah profile (same name as my display name here) you will see i dont have 20 jobs at lvl 90 and i dont have a relic, I just want the game to be a challenge and make me want to play, as i said before the only thing keeping me playing is the hope that some worthwhile endgame gets released this year, not an NM that will be killed it 5 seconds with the single worse item i have seen in a game.

[Unaisis]

Solo Dynamis if you want a challenge.... Seriously, i don't get it... If you needed to dig a big ass hole in the ground to install a pool and you had the option to use shovel or an Excavator, you would use the shovel just for the challenge. .... Actually... i can think a few people that would >..>. Ugh i cant understand all this Q.Qing lol

[Nathos]

Ppl complain there is no challenge and yet use atmas, dualbox chars, use windower, use bots. Seriously?

[MrWigglles]

don't you even care about what happened to the challenge? that's what the big issue is about here. i love a challenge. and SE is taking every challenge FFXI has..one after the other and turning it into a laughing stock. i pay roughly $25-30 a month on FFXI with all my content IDs included. sure that don't seem much at a small glance but think of it one the long term scale 25x5 years=$1,500-$1800(if i'm doing the math right) now times that by the player base who wants a challenge in the game which makes up more than half of the Alexander server which has roughly 1200 people in it 600x1,500=

$900,000-$1,080,000now looking at those numbers...that's one hell of a profit not even including how many content IDs other players may have

What you're not understanding is the total player base has dropped drastically. They're making a lot less money than past years. It's a business like any other. If the business is making less and less every year changes have to be made.

[Delsus]

Solo Dynamis if you want a challenge.... Seriously, i don't get it... If you needed to dig a big ass hole in the ground to install a pool and you had the option to use shovel or an Excavator, you would use the shovel just for the challenge. .... Actually... i can think a few people that would >..>. Ugh i cant understand all this Q.Qing lol

lol its funny how many people are starting to throw in the rl cards, guess what this is a game, I like my games to be a challenge like most of the player base and i dont want to solo anything because thats not why I play a mmo, i play a mmo to, guess what, play with other people which is where the massivly multiplayer comes in.

But seeing as people are throwing in the rl cards heres one, who here had a ferarri when they were 17? i can guess no one, but if you work for it and save the money up, you could have one later in life.

Or will you think that its too much work, you would just prefer to get a beat up car you got off wellfare because you couldnt be bothered to work?


Ppl complain there is no challenge and yet use atmas, dualbox chars, use windower, use bots. Seriously?

The only reason I use atma is becaue its whats expected, I would much prefer not to, and I dont use any of the other things you mentioned and never will.

[Krystal]

If I ever saw a MMO do this, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The worst part of MMOs have always been the part where you have to spend hours, every week, doing things you don't want to do. All because some item drops from the activity.

Also you should consider your example in real life. If someone gave you a car for free, would you complain that you didn't get to work and earn the car, or would you be happy? Another good question is if you'd complain that you didn't earn the money for the car by working at a farm, LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYs, and instead got the easy patched version where you worked in an office.

It all usually boils down to the same thing. You want bragging rights. You want to be able to say you spent 500 days playing FFXI and now got 20 jobs at 90. You want to say you got a relic weapon, that nobody else has. Any sane person would accept things for free as long as they'd have some enjoyment out of the item.

if someone gave me a car free...the first question i'd ask is"WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?!" and the same applies to FFXI as well i look at FFXI handing people free levels and crap and i go"WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS GAME?!"

[Alhanelem]

You are somone that has been spoiled by modern games that you can clock in 1 day and get everything in 2It's not being spoiled. Games are being designed to take less time out of the day in one session because people have less time these days. That doesn't mean that the shorter time you spend can't be fun and/or challenging. Why should th e only metric that matters be the amount of time you spent to get something? "Oh, it took me 100 hours to get this item, i'm more awesome than you?" Um... no. "I beat this tough NM to get this item" doesn't require that you spend a jillion hours as a prerequisite.

You are someone who is used to things taking forever in games and can't accept that something can be fun and challenging even if it doesn't take forever.


if someone gave me a car free...the first question i'd ask is"WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?!" Then you're paranoid. Do you question people when they do something nice for you without you asking?

[Icestein]

When has dynamis ever been a challenge? I don't get it. I don't. It can be done with 4 people. It's an irrelevant event.

Yet, there's still people who would like gear from it, this update accommodates for that, it allows us to gain gear without having to join a linkshell and eat up our time. It's a good thing. It's a great thing. Despite opinion to the contrary having to wait several months for an item, or to level, is not difficulty. It is tedious and unnecessary. I quit and rejoined thanks to how the game plays now. That is all.

[Krystal]

Then you're paranoid. Do you question people when they do something nice for you without you asking?

wow..how old are you again? seriously....if you get handed a free car the most logical think to wonder is this:"why would they give me a car for free if it runs just fine?" no one i the real world is that nice anymore. but anyways getting off topic here


You are someone who is used to things taking forever in games and can't accept that something can be fun and challenging even if it doesn't take forever.

That is not true and an unfair judgment on players who enjoy a challenge as a whole. there are some NMs in FFXI that are a PAIN and a big challenge not because it takes forever to beat them..but because of their abilities. Their abilities make them hard to beat but can be beaten in a relevantly short time frame.

[Icestein]

Intangible objects in a game are completely analogous to cars.

This is thrown around a lot, I've heard it before in reference to this constant complaining, and usually I dislike this kind of rhetoric, but... Why haven't you just quit? It does seem like you are not currently enjoying the game as it is being played, and if you want any kind of change the most powerful message you can send comes from your wallet. This isn't achieving anything, in any given thread you create there are about twice as many people putting up perfectly legitimate answers as to why it is a good thing the game is evolving beyond the pseudo-challenge it used to present.

My biggest fear at the minute is that Square enix will see this influx of completely unnecessary threads and not scan for content inside them. The vocal QQers are really overwhelming the voices of others.

[Krystal]

When has dynamis ever been a challenge? I don't get it. I don't. It can be done with 4 people. It's an irrelevant event.

At level 75 is was a challenge...at level 90 it still is a challenge. strategy was a Requirement for Dyna and still is. players today base difficulty and challenge on how long it takes to kill a mob or clear an area..that's inaccurate and simple minded. example: A mob can be easily killed in five minuets but it's strength or some other ability or stat makes it a challenge to beat. it was never about "how long"...yet that's all players look at and complain about...so what does SE do? they nerf even the mobs who could easily be beaten to a laughable state. For all you players out there who want a quick and easy game...go to WoW....quit complaining and whining to kill a game we love just for your "instant gratification". and for those of you who don't have the time to be spending to do events and want faster easier mobs for that...if you don't have enough time for events as it stands...then do one of three things: 1:suck it up, solo, and enjoy the game. 2:MAKE TIME for events. it's not that hard people...seriously...if it is maybe you shouldn't be playing an MMO in the first place? 3:Quit playing and try a MMO where you can fit events into you're "Busy schedule".

either way...quit killing a great game!

[Alhanelem]

wow..how old are you again? seriously....if you get handed a free car the most logical think to wonder is this:"why would they give me a car for free if it runs just fine?"Yes, you're paranoid. (And I was given a car for free, and it does run just fine.) It all depends on the circumstances. If some shady looking guy you've never met before comes up to your door and offers you something for nothing, yes, you should be wary about accepting it. But if it's someoine like a parent or close relative, or you won a prize on a gameshow or won the lottery or something, you shouldn't be asking what's wrong with it.

I'm 28, btw. The post was not immature, nor was I trying to attack you. But it's really not good to assume that anything you're given must have something wrong with it.

In the case of the free car, even if it doesn't run, what have you lost? nothing.


At level 75 is was a challenge...at level 90 it still is a challenge. strategy was a Requirement for Dyna and still is.No, it's not still a challenge. An event originally created for multiple alliances is easily beaten with one or two parties now. Dynamis is predictable. Every run is the same because the monster placement is the same. Once you learn the strategy, there's no excuse for faliure. But now, you don't really even need strategy. Even 100 fists isn't that big of a threat anymore. The SMN 2hour is the only dangerous thing but it's also one of the most easy to stop.

[Nathos]

Do you have fun with how Dynamis is now? How long have you done Dynamis? I do it for 5 years at least and I'm already tired , it can get really boring at some parts, specially if you do it over and over.

AF2 isn't that good anymore. A few pieces are good to use. I see a lot of pieces going free for ppl that will level tho jobs some day eventually. Most pieces are not wanted. So why not make it easier/more fun/casual? The times are different from 8 years ago. People are used to different ways and tired of hardcore stuff. I have a lot of friends who quit the game because they got tired of repeating the same stuff over for years. The game is very time consuming. From a LS with 40-50 ppl we used to have 3 years ago, now there are like 6-9 ppl around yet playing. Most of them stopped due to time sinking and Dynamis is one of them.

I don't see a problem with this change, and I wouldn't care if it were made like WoE with shared pool tbh. I'm tired of greed people in this game. AF2 isn't that great and never was.

I see your point about challenge, I'm all up for challenges, but they need to be fun and have a point in doing them. Not so time consuming. The game needs a balance. Not so hardcore, but not so easy. It's always good to have casual stuff or things that don't take a huge time.
Dynamis is pretty old, ppl are tired of doing it over and over, it's boring. I like this update, it might be more fun and more accessible to new players or casual players also. Took me a good time to get some pieces i really wanted there but I don't care if ppl get it faster and easier now. Not a big. I got most of what i needed in all these years and prolly will need stuff for jobs i'm planning on leveling and I certainly won't like to do it over and over again in a time consuming and boring way.

[Icestein]

I'd argue that you're trying to kill it with your nostalgia hoarding. Dynamis has, for many many many years, sucked tremendously.

I like the game now, and who's to say that my opinion is in anyway inferior to yours?

[Krystal]

Yes, you're paranoid. (And I was given a car for free, and it does run just fine.) It all depends on the circumstances. If some shady looking guy you've never met before comes up to your door and offers you something for nothing, yes, you should be wary about accepting it. But if it's someoine like a parent or close relative, or you won a prize on a gameshow or won the lottery or something, you shouldn't be asking what's wrong with it.

I'm 28, btw. The post was not immature, nor was I trying to attack you. But it's really not good to assume that anything you're given must have something wrong with it.

love how you just cut off half the message and grabbed the part that made me look bad...-_-; the point i was making with that is-*stops and realizes how stupid this is and off topic* you know what..not going to argue this one...i'm not having a decent topic derailed thanks to this....


Do you have fun with how Dynamis is now? How long have you done Dynamis? I do it for 5 years at least and I'm already tired , it can get really boring at some parts, specially if you do it over and over.

i still do and love dyna. one of the funniest and most challenging areas in the game. course it can be annoying when someone aggros a large group and wipes us....but that comes par the course for these types of areas. and as for how long. did it for nearly a year then stopped doing it because the shell died and didn't know where to find another. found another and been steady with it for about 2 years now.

[Salvation]

don't you even care about what happened to the challenge? that's what the big issue is about here. i love a challenge. and SE is taking every challenge FFXI has..one after the other and turning it into a laughing stock. i pay roughly $25-30 a month on FFXI with all my content IDs included. sure that don't seem much at a small glance but think of it one the long term scale 25x5 years=$1,500-$1800(if i'm doing the math right) now times that by the player base who wants a challenge in the game which makes up more than half of the Alexander server which has roughly 1200 people in it 600x1,500=$900,000-$1,080,000 now looking at those numbers...that's one hell of a profit not even including how many content IDs other players may have and how much their monthly totals to...now consider this: Those players all leave due to the lack of challenge in the game.....ya...that's bad for them! unlike you i don't look at the here and now i look at it from a long term business point of view. which makes your statement about the"here and now" pretty much irrelevant but not completely. the points you made at the bottom are dead on...but i stay because i love this game no matter how much FFXI kills it..however if they kill it much more i may actually leave.

I understand what you are saying, however I think that you are missing the bigger picture here. First off the challenge in this game has always been more or less player imposed. New content is released some of which throws players for a loop for a short while and then strategies are devised and lead to commonplace methods of completion. I remember when people complained to no end about the changes made to CoP and how those changes somehow rendered the progress previously made by players worthless. It was a lot of BS in end. SE looked at the numbers and determined that there were obviously issues there if only a small percentage of the player base had progressed through the content. Achievements are and should be in the eye of the person that accomplishes them. The same should true to challenges in this game.

Although the situation with dynamis is slightly different as this is revamping old content that is seldom used, it still doesn't change the fact that at this stage in FFXI's life cycle SE needs to do what makes the most sense to keep the majority happy. I love FFXI as much as anyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that this game is still old and things need to be changed from time to time. I'd rather have some aspects of FFXI changed than to not have the game at all.

[Alhanelem]

love how you just cut off half the message and grabbed the part that made me look bad...-_-; I didn't "cut out half the message" nor just "grabbed the part that made you look bad." I quoted the part of your post I wanted to address. It's nothing more or less than that. Can't you see you're getting all bent up for no reason? You assume the worst about EVERYTHING.

If you don't want a decent topic derailed, then don't do something that invites it to be. Not that there isn't already another identical topic on the front page....


one of the funniest and most challenging areas in the game.Again, i'm sorry, but dynamis is not even close to the most challenging thing in the game, and it hasn't been for years. Most people have moved on to other things, because the fun and challenge value has been sucked out of it from having done the same event and nothing but the same event for so long. It's really about time they changed it up. I haven't gone in dynamis in at least 8 months or so and I'm actually interested in checking it out again after this since it will become more casual and accessible without having to devote your life to an LS.

[Ciecle]

Level 75 in abyssea was a challenge? Level 90 Challenge? Wut? Dynamis was never a challenge. there's groups that can take out Dyna lord and still have time to farm afterwards, There's groups now who go in with 8 and do Dyna Xarc and farm + dyna lord. I fail to see the "challenge" in that. If you're requiring 'strategy' while doing Dynamis you're doing something wrong and you really need to check the community sites for more information on how to destroy dynamis. Dynamis was a 'challenge' back at 65 when you needed 3 full alliances and still wiped to everything.

[Nathos]

love how you just cut off half the message and grabbed the part that made me look bad...-_-; the point i was making with that is-*stops and realizes how stupid this is and off topic* you know what..not going to argue this one...i'm not having a decent topic derailed thanks to this....



i still do and love dyna. one of the funniest and most challenging areas in the game. course it can be annoying when someone aggros a large group and wipes us....but that comes par the course for these types of areas. and as for how long. did it for nearly a year then stopped doing it because the shell died and didn't know where to find another. found another and been steady with it for about 2 years now.

Yes it can be fun and funny if you're in a nice LS with cool and funny ppl. But still can be boring after 5 years , at least for me sometimes it is pretty boring, even being easier/faster to do now I still feel it could be a more fun event. I see the change as positive and might bring good moments to Dynamis. I hope.

It been quite dead lately. We had a lot more ppl doing it till Abyssea got there with more shines and some challenge. Now that we all have good Atmas and know what to do better, it's less challenge than at start tho. It is still more fun than Dynamis to me. W/o Atmas some NMs can be more challenging. I wonder if anybody does big NMs in Abyssea without Atmas, a lot of ppl complain about challenge but I don't see anyone doing it.

[Krystal]

I didn't "cut out half the message" nor just "grabbed the part that made you look bad." I quoted the part of your post I wanted to address. It's nothing more or less than that. Can't you see you're getting all bent up for no reason? You assume the worst about EVERYTHING.

If you don't want a decent topic derailed, then don't do something that invites it to be. Not that there isn't already another identical topic on the front page....

Again, i'm sorry, but dynamis is not even close to the most challenging thing in the game, and it hasn't been for years. Most people have moved on to other things, because the fun and challenge value has been sucked out of it from having done the same event and nothing but the same event for so long. It's really about time they changed it up. I haven't gone in dynamis in at least 8 months or so and I'm actually interested in checking it out again after this since it will become more casual and accessible without having to devote your life to an LS.

sometimes as you put it"assuming the worst of EVERYTHING" is the best way to go through life helps you keep one up on people and helps you try to prevent things(even if they won't happen) so they don't happen. if you think life in general is one little "creampie" filling sweet that is simple and sweet..then you either grew up a VERY SHELTERED life...or you just naive. nothing one is anything against you mind you...but for people like me who have seen the worst of this world and lived through it...we prefer to keep the little things we enjoy as they once were...and alot of people agree with me on that.

[Unaisis]

Cry some more~~~~

[Icestein]

Don't worry Unaisis... it will.

[Greatguardian]

It's a "hardcore elitist" player talking about Dynamis being one of the most challenging events in the game. That alone shows pretty much where this thread is going.

[Krystal]

It's a "hardcore elitist" player talking about Dynamis being one of the most challenging events in the game. That alone shows pretty much where this thread is going.

it's the only area in the game with a remote challenge....no thanks to SE.

[Greatguardian]

No. No it isn't. Dynamis has no challenge. You don't need strategy to wade through pools of blood at level 90. These updates only affect RoZ Dynamis as well, which are even easier on the easy scale than CoP dynamis. It's an event that used to be cool, that isn't cool any more, that is being made new and possibly cool again.

How much Heroes of Abyssea content can *you* do in a group of 3 or less without a Primeval brew? Ignore Scars and Visions because we're 5-10 levels above their release mark now.

[Alhanelem]

sometimes as you put it"assuming the worst of EVERYTHING" is the best way to go through life It's never the best thing in life. It's a surefire way to
1) not make friends
2) distance yourself from the rest of the world
3) inhibit social development
4) get anywhere in the world

Sure, if you become TOO trusting, you're liable to get burned, but if you never loosen up at all, you're going to miss out on tons of perfectly legitimate opportunities. I've had my trust violated a few times, and it sucks... but I've also greatly benefited from many cases where I had to trust something or take a leap of faith. You have more to lose by being totally skeptical about everything than you have to lose by being optimistic.

"A lot" of people might agree with you, but "a lot" of people have been complaining about dynamis's design for years now. Some people have said "Just instance it" but I can tell you because of the way the game works, it's not possible, even in the same way that it works for assault or WotG battlefield zones due to the design of the areas. They would have had to have been designed that way from the beginning for it to work. It's not to say I didn't like anything about dynamis- good teamwork is a requirement, but assuming you have people that work well together, it really just isn't a challenge anymore. Making it an open area isn't taking away anything that isn't already gone, and making the event more casual means people might actually do it again.

I think this is mostly a case of simply being resistant to change, but MMOs change over time. it's just a fact of the genre.

[viion]

Did you guys cry when the computer and printer was made, now all them hard-written letters are now all digital?

[Krystal]

Did you guys cry when the computer and printer was made, now all them hard-written letters are now all digital?

as Cream Soda defined it.....YOU are a troll....and go away...-_-;

[Fiarlia]

it's the only area in the game with a remote challenge....no thanks to SE.

Dynamis wasn't even that hard at 75. a team of 8 people, at 75, could full clear the city zones, could still beat Beaucedine Glacier, and could potentially defeat Dynamis Lord.

No, Dynamis is not hard, and has not been hard for a long time.

...At least, not for anyone who's good... ya know, the real elites.

[Greatguardian]

as Cream Soda defined it.....YOU are a troll....and go away...-_-;

You haven't answered my question.

[Krystal]

No. No it isn't. Dynamis has no challenge. You don't need strategy to wade through pools of blood at level 90. These updates only affect RoZ Dynamis as well, which are even easier on the easy scale than CoP dynamis. It's an event that used to be cool, that isn't cool any more, that is being made new and possibly cool again.

How much Heroes of Abyssea content can *you* do in a group of 3 or less without a Primeval brew? Ignore Scars and Visions because we're 5-10 levels above their release mark now.

I stopped caring about abyssea shortly before heroes was released..so i couldn't tell you. but i have experince in visions and scars areas.

[Greatguardian]

I stopped caring about abyssea shortly before heroes was released..so i couldn't tell you. but i have experince in visions and scars areas.

So you are calling the rest of the game easy while having absolutely no personal experience in new zones. Okay.

I bet 50 gil you'd get steamrolled by Azdaja, Alfard, Isgebind, Apademak, or Dragua. As is the case with 90%+ of the morons claiming that everything in easy. I'm not saying these NMs are super hard, I've done them plenty without issue. But I'm also a lot better at FFXI than you.

[Fiarlia]

So, let me get this straight.

1) You think you're a hardcore elite player.
2) You think Dynamis is hard, at least somewhat.
3) You don't do Abyssea, despite its gear being superior to almost everything else.
4) You still think Dynamis is hard.
5) You still think that you're a hardcore elite player.

Dude, you're crazy if you think you're elite. Seriously, man.

[Krystal]

So, let me get this straight.

1) You think you're a hardcore elite player.
2) You think Dynamis is hard, at least somewhat.
3) You don't do Abyssea, despite its gear being superior to almost everything else.
4) You still think Dynamis is hard.
5) You still think that you're a hardcore elite player.

Dude, you're crazy if you think you're elite. Seriously, man.

elite by your near sighted ideals? no...prefers a challenge yes. i have done more in FFXI before abyssea was released than you have done in your little abyssea areas since it's release! you can claim till your blue in the face"I'm the best! i am pro!" but frankly...if you base that off of completing one or two missions in normal areas and doing the rest of it in abyssea...then to quote you
Dude, you're crazy if you think you're elite. Seriously, man.
i have beat nearly every storyline in FFXI at least twice,deleted character, made another, and beat them again. and this was BEFORE the level cap on all COP areas was lifted mind you. if there was a way to "beat FFXI" before abyssea's release..i had done it. so think twice before you try to mock someone noob.:)

[Krystal]

i try to keep my mouth shut...i try to behave like a normal player who is limited...but when people crop up and try to call ME a noob in one way or the other i pull out the stops.


So you are calling the rest of the game easy while having absolutely no personal experience in new zones. Okay.

I bet 50 gil you'd get steamrolled by Azdaja, Alfard, Isgebind, Apademak, or Dragua. As is the case with 90%+ of the morons claiming that everything in easy. I'm not saying these NMs are super hard, I've done them plenty without issue. But I'm also a lot better at FFXI than you.

since i never fought them before...probally.

[Icestein]

i try to keep my mouth shut...i try to behave like a normal player who is limited.

The single biggest lie on this forum so far.

[Masekase]

To be honest I am glad they are changing dyna it is old content and leave it in the past. Forget relic, empyrean, and mythic and give us some new mega ass weapon for 99,that is a challenge in some new zone. Give it a brand new ws only dropping from some NM with the difficulty of AV or PW when they was in their prime.

[Krystal]

The single biggest lie on this forum so far.

wow....trolls pop up all over the place....i mean wow..cream soda was dead on with his definition...XD

[Krystal]

To be honest I am glad they are changing dyna it is old content and leave it in the past. Forget relic, empyrean, and mythic and give us some new mega ass weapon for 99,that is a challenge in some new zone. Give it a brand new ws only dropping from some NM with the difficulty of AV or PW when they was in their prime.

with the exception of the "mega ass weapon" you mentioned being a drop...sounds good to me..wouldn't mind that at all. a new NM that provides a great challenge in normal areas is a great idea^^

[Fiarlia]

elite by your near sighted ideals? no...prefers a challenge yes. i have done more in FFXI before abyssea was released than you have done in your little abyssea areas since it's release! you can claim till your blue in the face"I'm the best! i am pro!" but frankly...if you base that off of completing one or two missions in normal areas and doing the rest of it in abyssea...then to quote you
i have beat nearly every storyline in FFXI at least twice,deleted character, made another, and beat them again. and this was BEFORE the level cap on all COP areas was lifted mind you. if there was a way to "beat FFXI" before abyssea's release..i had done it. so think twice before you try to mock someone noob.:)

Really, you're wanting to get into an epeen waving contest? I guarantee that you'd lose. I've certainly done way more in this game than you.

How about this, do you know what fSTR is? What about pDIF? What are V and M values, and what type of damage do they even relate to?

What does PDT cap at?

What about MDT?

What's the Haste cap for gear? What's the overall delay reduction cap?

No, sorry, you're not elite, you're just a crybaby of a man who thinks their owed something because they've played the game for a while and beaten storyline battles (protip; they're not hard) and thinks Dynamis is super awesome.

And about "beating" FFXI, I hear that in other games you can beat them without actually doing the hard stuff. Ya know like Emerald/Ruby weapon in VII, Ozma in IX, Via Purifico in X (or X-2, I don't remember), Shinryu and Omega in V. Beating a game doesn't make you good, or elite, espeically in this case, since almost everything else that is, or has ever been, considered endgame is much harder.

You need to stop bitching about everything that comes around.

[Greatguardian]

i try to keep my mouth shut...i try to behave like a normal player who is limited...but when people crop up and try to call ME a noob in one way or the other i pull out the stops.

since i never fought them before...probally.

It's funny because you think I started FFXI endgame with Abyssea. I've personally been doing Endgame for years, and am a sackholder in one of the most successful NA shells on my server. I handled the strategy and implementation of one of the first under-18 Odin fights on all servers (ages ago back when Odin was a big deal and whatnot). If you think completing storylines and getting a Rajas ring has anything to do with FFXI endgame, well that just about cinches it. I'm not calling you a total noob. But you're definitely no elite, and claiming to be one without even experiencing level 90 content is just hilarious.

[Masekase]

All the other stuff is just old content being upgraded. Mythics relics and empyreans can all be completed alot quicker than when they where first released. Bring in something new that will have the difficulty of when relics and mythics where first released for 99. I want to look at someones weapon and think OMG wish I could get one of them that feeling is not there anymore.

Yes I haven't got any of the other 3 but I know if I wanted to I could with the current state of the game. (Only thing stopping me is risking a divorce from the mrs I cant put in the gametime)

[Fiarlia]

All the other stuff is just old content being upgraded. Mythics relics and empyreans can all be completed alot quicker than when they where first released. Bring in something new that will have the difficulty of when relics and mythics where first released for 99. I want to look at someones weapon and think OMG wish I could get one of them that feeling is not there anymore.

Yes I haven't got any of the other 3 but I know if I wanted to I could with the current state of the game. (Only thing stopping me is risking a divorce from the mrs I cant put in the gametime)

Not to nitpick, but Mythics, while not as hard as they used to be, are still just as time consuming. If you haven't already accrued enough Therion Ichor and Nyzul Points I recall calculations putting it at around a year and a half or so of doing said events whenever possible. Not to mention that you have to redo each of the 50 Assaults, which while not hard, is limited by your tags and the three person minimum, and also interferes with your Nyzul runs, since they use the tag system too. Then there's the 30k Alexandrite, which is in low supply due to (hardly) nobody doing Salvage any more. Beastmen bosses and ZNMs, however, are certainly easier.

Easy, sure, but not quick or painless by any means.

Quite a bummer to me, since I decided I want a Death Penalty. >.>

[Krystal]

It's funny because you think I started FFXI endgame with Abyssea. I've personally been doing Endgame for years, and am a sackholder in one of the most successful NA shells on my server. I handled the strategy and implementation of one of the first under-18 Odin fights on all servers (ages ago back when Odin was a big deal and whatnot). If you think completing storylines and getting a Rajas ring has anything to do with FFXI endgame, well that just about cinches it. I'm not calling you a total noob. But you're definitely no elite, and claiming to be one without even experiencing level 90 content is just hilarious.

i'm what you call "old school elite" now if you want to brag about how you beat some super hard VNM abyssea mobs then by all means do so.....elsewhere. because i don't really care what abyssea is about. now if you say you've kicked Sky's (when the cap was 75) ass then ya..that's some bragging rights in my eyes or even sea for that matter. but if you brag how you "just beat the hardest mob in abyssea ever" i'll look at you and go"so?"

[Greatguardian]

i'm what you call "old school elite" now if you want to brag about how you beat some super hard VNM abyssea mobs then by all means do so.....elsewhere. because i don't really care what abyssea is about. now if you say you've kicked Sky's (when the cap was 75) ass then ya..that's some bragging rights in my eyes or even sea for that matter. but if you brag how you "just beat the hardest mob in abyssea ever" i'll look at you and go"so?"

Since when is Odin's Chamber inside Abyssea? Sky has always been easy. I've been doing, and eventually dominating it since before Despot was changed. Sea is also easy as hell, just time consuming and the drop rates are horrendous. If being "Good" in your eyes means "Killing Kirin in under 2 hours kited" then you're not elite, or even old school elite.

[Fiarlia]

i'm what you call "old school elite"

No you're not. You also completely ignored my earlier post.

[Alhanelem]

i'm what you call "old school elite"No offense, but everything you've posted tells me you're not "elite."
"old school," maybe. Not elite, though. Not if you think dynamis is hard.

[Fiarlia]

No offense, but everything you've posted tells me you're not "elite."
"old school," maybe. Not elite, though. Not if you think dynamis is hard.

I'll agree with this, call yourself old school all you want, but stop with the elite crap because it's simply not true.

[Masekase]

i'm what you call "old school elite" now if you want to brag about how you beat some super hard VNM abyssea mobs then by all means do so.....elsewhere. because i don't really care what abyssea is about. now if you say you've kicked Sky's (when the cap was 75) ass then ya..that's some bragging rights in my eyes or even sea for that matter. but if you brag how you "just beat the hardest mob in abyssea ever" i'll look at you and go"so?"

This is my point with current content now. If someone comes upto you and says I got a relic most people will have same reaction. Cause dosent matter how many time you go into all old events their is little skill involved. Come 99 there will be little to no skill involved. With regards to mythics I can see that going same way in an update in the near future.

[Krystal]

Since when is Odin's Chamber inside Abyssea? Sky has always been easy. I've been doing, and eventually dominating it since before Despot was changed. Sea is also easy as hell, just time consuming and the drop rates are horrendous. If being "Good" in your eyes means "Killing Kirin in under 2 hours kited" then you're not elite, or even old school elite.

clearly people base skill on "how many mobs can you kill in 10 minuets?" instead of completing missions and storyline WITHOUT a guide. so by all means call me a noob if you want...i'll look at you and go"uh-huh...sure...i'm a noob alright*goes and decides to complete the FFXI storylines again without using a guide*" if you can complete any of the mission storylines without a guide the first time around...then brag to me your "pro" but if you can't then don't even bother trying to convince me you know how to be some big ass pro. since 98% of players consult a damned guide prior to any mission they aren't doing it based on their skill...they are doing based on another's skill who posted what they did..which in other words makes their achievement when they complete the mission insignificant.

[Greatguardian]

It's like Starcade if he were an e-girl. If such things matter to you so much, I actually did complete CoP and RoZ long before I even knew Ffxiclopedia existed. You're still not elite.

[Krystal]

It's like Starcade if he were an e-girl. If such things matter to you so much, I actually did complete CoP and RoZ long before I even knew Ffxiclopedia existed. You're still not elite.

well good for you then. glad to know SOMEONE can complete a storyline without having their hand help the entire way. and you can say i'm"no elite" all you want. i know what i've done and i know what i am capable of.

[Fiarlia]

ITT: Figuring out how to do stuff like "have someone hold hate, deal damage to the boss, avoid dying, cure people who need it" and "go where the cutscenes tell you to go" without a guide makes you elite.

[Greatguardian]

well good for you then. glad to know SOMEONE can complete a storyline without having their hand help the entire way. and you can say i'm"no elite" all you want. i know what i've done and i know what i am capable of.

Kay. Let me know exactly what it is you are capable of once you finish your Sch's BLM sub.

[Krystal]

Kay. Let me know exactly what it is you are capable of once you finish your Sch's BLM sub.

o.o; the hell? how could you possibly know that? let me guess...your on Alexander aren't ya? that character is still new however and with the lack of parties it makes it a pain to level it. sure i could solo it easily..but i'm stubborn and refuse to solo in most cases.

[Greatguardian]

Cerberus.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Alexander/Pikachuninetail

[Luvbunny]

For the "hardcore" players who keeps complaining that the game is getting easier, more fun, and a whole lot more accessible to all kind of "new-sane-casual" players, uhm, get over it. FFXI is evolving for the better. The old ways of having things done the hard long time consuming ways are dead, forever. SE finally gives what the majority of the players, or the would be players want, which is an easier, less time consuming, more accessible game for casual players. Personally, I think they are looking for ways to bring more subscribers. Overall, FFXI now is 100 times better than when it comes out in 2003. Gone are the artificial challenges, time sink is reduced, transportation is faster, a lot of things are doable with small groups, retarded time restriction are lifted, most of the useful gears are rare/ex. Abbysea is the greatest thing that ever come to this game, beside ToAU. Both expansion really gives what the majority of the players want: accessible contents to all. I cannot wait to see what they planned on future updates.

[Alhanelem]

I cleared CoP before "The Great Nerf". It was hard and it took a long time. Do I feel bad that people have it easy now? No. Because I know a lot of people struggled with it and too many people I knew never had Sea access because no one would (or in some cases could) help them with it. So I think it's good that most of it can be done without much help now. Right now, WotG suffers from the same problem of being unable to progress because no one can (or will) help. it's not even that it's hard, you only need 2 or 3 people for most of the fights, but the nation quest system divides people in progress and makes it harder to get help.

the point- If something is frustrating for a wide portion of the playerbase, then it should probably be adjusted in some way, even if it means making it easier. You can't change anything without someone not liking it, but some changes are, in retrospect for SE, necessary.

anyway... Krystal, go low man all the HNMs, and beat pandy warden and AV. Then you have a right to call yourself "elite."
Duo glavoid. Win Shinryu without a brew. Do something that's actually hard if you want to back up your claims.

[Fiarlia]

Question was answered before I finished typing.

Edited out.

[Masekase]

For the "hardcore" players who keeps complaining that the game is getting easier, more fun, and a whole lot more accessible to all kind of "new-sane-casual" players, uhm, get over it. FFXI is evolving for the better. The old ways of having things done the hard long time consuming ways are dead, forever. SE finally gives what the majority of the players, or the would be players want, which is an easier, less time consuming, more accessible game for casual players. Personally, I think they are looking for ways to bring more subscribers. Overall, FFXI now is 100 times better than when it comes out in 2003. Gone are the artificial challenges, time sink is reduced, transportation is faster, a lot of things are doable with small groups, retarded time restriction are lifted, most of the useful gears are rare/ex. Abbysea is the greatest thing that ever come to this game, beside ToAU. Both expansion really gives what the majority of the players want: accessible contents to all. I cannot wait to see what they planned on future updates.

100% agree :)

[Krystal]

Cerberus.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Alexander/Pikachuninetail

teh...should have remembered that site.

[Greatguardian]

Krystal's on Alexander? Same character name?

On Alex as Pikachuninetail, posted a link on page 8. Hidden community profile, but it still shows current jobs. I believe e-she has Whm90 as well.

[Fiarlia]

Also has Ovni title... I though he hated Abyssea and had nothing to do with it.

The recent purchases of single-target Barspells also lead me to believe his SCH doesn't have /RDM. Will check LCS. :o

[Greatguardian]

Also has Ovni title... I though he hated Abyssea and had nothing to do with it.

Oh wow, I totally missed that.

[Fiarlia]

Ahhhhhhhh he's a furry!

Go to the LSC and search for his LS, then click his profile, and you'll see. @_@

[Krystal]

Also has Ovni title... I though he hated Abyssea and had nothing to do with it.

The recent purchases of single-target Barspells also lead me to believe his SCH doesn't have /RDM. Will check LCS. :o

i've had that title for a long time. and bar spells were for new players to the game. i'm a mentor on that server. and i help new players....unlike most egotistical idiots on this game who say"screw the noobs!"

[Krystal]

Ahhhhhhhh he's a furry!

Go to the LSC and search for his LS, then click his profile, and you'll see. @_@

i've nearly given up trying to explain to idiots that i'm female.....-_-; then again...you can tell a retard that a horse is a horse and they continue to insist it's a pony....so i rest my case.

[Icestein]

You've done nothing else in quite a while that grants a title? That's believable. Hey, do you know what Abyssea is great for? Leveling your subjobs.

[Fiarlia]

i've had that title for a long time. and bar spells were for new players to the game. i'm a mentor on that server. and i help new players....unlike most egotistical idiots on this game who say"screw the noobs!"

You've had the title for a long time? But I thought this was a new character?

Also, /mentor is not a big deal. All it takes is, what level 25 and beating the 2-3 mission? I forget the exact requirements but it's nothing special at all.

I help new players as well, in fact we've got a few newbies (read; different than n00b) in my LS. I don't have to turn on my mentor flag to do it. And if you think having /mentor makes you special in the slightest, you'd be dead wrong, since anyone who's played longer than a few weeks to a month likely has the requirements to do it too.

The only upsetting thing is that if you give people advice, some people probably listen to it. I honestly doubt you can give proper, educated, correct and factual advice.

[Greatguardian]

i've had that title for a long time. and bar spells were for new players to the game. i'm a mentor on that server. and i help new players....unlike most egotistical idiots on this game who say"screw the noobs!"

You're still trying to passive-aggressively put words in my mouth, lol. I lead a social shell for a couple years before going into fulltime endgame, and I still keep in touch with the members who still play.

Also, you're an e-girl. The only difference this makes is what pronoun to use. If the lack of the letter S bothers you that much, just sort of mentally edit it in. It's not like anyone would treat you any differently here because of your gender. That would just be sexist.

Edit: Case in point. Ciecle is the biggest noob on the entire server and I still roll with him.

[Ciecle]

@Krystal weren't you crying earlier that SE helping newer players out with levels was a 'bad thing'? So instead of 'helping gain levels' you're giving them all they need with out having to farm the gil for themselves... why? I mean new players would grow dependent and ask everyone for gil and not do anything for themselves etc... you must hate new players.

[Krystal]

@Krystal weren't you crying earlier that SE helping newer players out with levels was a 'bad thing'? So instead of 'helping gain levels' you're giving them all they need with out having to farm the gil for themselves... why? I mean new players would grow dependent and ask everyone for gil and not do anything for themselves etc... you must hate new players.

there's a diff between helping them get a few cheep as hell spells to start them off and letting them leach to level 90.

[Icestein]

Actually, probably not. Considering they'll still need to be skilled to beat maat and all. You should leech a few subs up.

[Krystal]

You're still trying to passive-aggressively put words in my mouth, lol. I lead a social shell for a couple years before going into fulltime endgame, and I still keep in touch with the members who still play.

Also, you're an e-girl. The only difference this makes is what pronoun to use. If the lack of the letter S bothers you that much, just sort of mentally edit it in. It's not like anyone would treat you any differently here because of your gender. That would just be sexist.

Edit: Case in point. Ciecle is the biggest noob on the entire server and I still roll with him.

i wasn't passively aggressively attacking you.(sorry if it sounded that way) despite conflicts you seem to be one of the more competent players on these damned forums. and at least give something worthwhile to discuss unlike some others who post BS.

[Sanjurio]

You're still trying to passive-aggressively put words in my mouth, lol. I lead a social shell for a couple years before going into fulltime endgame, and I still keep in touch with the members who still play.

Also, you're an e-girl. The only difference this makes is what pronoun to use. If the lack of the letter S bothers you that much, just sort of mentally edit it in. It's not like anyone would treat you any differently here because of your gender. That would just be sexist.

Edit: Case in point. Ciecle is the biggest noob on the entire server and I still roll with him.

You're an ass for leaving me out of that Edit, </3.
But really, Krystal, it's been said a million and twelve times in this thread from what I've read through,
Pull the stick out of your ass, learn to deal with new things, Abyssea is new, it's relatively easy for anyone who has 1/8th of a brain cell and people who have an IQ of over 9000, Sky/Sea/all of the 75 content has lost it luster even further, none of it was hard back in the day, none of it will ever be hard.
And to end it, this is the internet after all and with the internet comes.
Girl? POIDH.

Edit: Oh yes one last thing, like GG said, Ciecle is the biggest noob Cerberus has ever seen, even bigger than Shredder and company back in the day, and yet, we still deal with him.

[Masekase]

there's a diff between helping them get a few cheep as hell spells to start them off and letting them leach to level 90.

You're right because you will find very few newbs leeching lvls to 90. Cause not many people would let them without them paying for it.

[Fiarlia]

He probably wouldn't because of some sort of moral highground he's taken saying that leeching causes noobs or some such.

Meanwhile he's already at 90, without leeching apparently, so he proves the opposite. I find that highly amusing.

[Avarice]

Hey gaiz! Can I join in on the super serious, super important discussion that's totally not gotten derailed or anything?!

[Greatguardian]

I lied. Sanjurio is the biggest noob on the server. Finish your mage subs, level your Staff skill, get level 90 Masamune, etc. Oh yeah, and get to Chloris for Vister's scythe you bum.

Edit: @Fiarlia, he also said that he hates solo'ing so he must have taken Overworld exp parties from 1-90 on a minimum of two jobs.

[Fiarlia]

i wasn't passively aggressively attacking you.(sorry if it sounded that way) despite conflicts you seem to be one of the more competent players on these damned forums. and at least give something worthwhile to discuss unlike some others who post BS.

Most people have stopped giving you serious intellectual responses for a variety of reasons.

1) You say you're elite yet it's been shown many times that you're not.
2) You think beating story lines is a big deal.
3) You think /mentor is a big deal.
4) You ignore valid points that others make and just get mad.
5) You ignore questions directed straight at you. (I'm still waiting for a response to my questions.)
6) You contradict yourself.

Nearly everyone has given you productive, logical, and non-flaming counterpoints or counter-arguments. The ball is in your court to provide reasonable responses before we can reply to them.

I mean, that's how a discussion works, right? You say something, someone else (or a group of others) that feel differently state they do, with reasons. You give another rebuttal based upon these points that were brought up. And so on and so forth. Don't call for a civil discussion when you can't do it yourself.

[Krystal]

Removed post due to confusion between who is talking to whom with posts and got it cleared up

[Ciecle]

He was talking to Sanj.

[Krystal]

He was talking to Sanj.

oh okay. my bad.

[Naturebeckles]

I don't know why Krystal started a new thread about this in the first place. There's already another thread about Dynamis Reborn.

And in my 3+ years of playing this game, i've never asked a /mentor any questions. *giggles*

[Ilax]

Well i just notice that was another thread here talking about dynamis update, well guy...

You all /welcome to sign it up a petition on new thread i did, there no need to specify the reason, not at all, if you feel that update is wrong then sign it, if you think is right then just ignore it. You feel to talk about it, then just use this thread and not the petition one.

Dynamis Update Petition (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1647-Dynamis-Update-Petition.)

Fiarlia also made one, i am sure she will post the link too.

Have fun everyone and hope DEV will take best decision for everyone.

[Fiarlia]

Well i just notice that was another thread here talking about dynamis update, well guy...

You all /welcome to sing it up a petition on new thread i did, there no need to specify the reason, not at all, if you feel that update is wrong then sing it, if you think is right then just ignore it. You feel to talk about it, then just use this thread and not the petition one.

Dynamis Update Petition (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1647-Dynamis-Update-Petition.)

Fiarlia also made one, i am sure she will post the link too.

Have fun everyone and hope DEV will take best decision for everyone.

Linky. (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1654-We-Are-In-Favor-Of-The-Dynamis-Changes.)

Also:


if you feel that update is wrong then sing it,

*Ahem*

Lalalalalalalalalalalalala. Not singing your thread, just singing because I can.

[Ilax]

*Ahem*

Lalalalalalalalalalalalala. Not singing your thread, just singing because I can.

Very funny ^^ but thanks pointing this out, fixed.

[Jhanaka]

Hello Guys,

Thank you for your views on the changes to Dynamis but this thread has gotten off topic and has become a bit inflammitory in nature, so we have decided to lock the discussion.

Thank you for your understanding.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka