T2 VNMs in abyssea still over camped as ever.

[Zumi]

Moving the spawn location of VNMs did nothing for all the people still camping these.

People need these for various reasons upgarde to T3 for colorless souls for shield/harp, and some people camp them for body seals. During the off hours mid afternoon 4 groups trying to claim this.

Here is a pic from mid afternoon of all the people trying to claim this.

http://i.imgur.com/PRWlS.jpg

Can you please add more spawns for T2s this is getting pretty ridiculous and one of the worst bottlenecks left in abyssea. Especially when you have a nin/dnc taking around 15 min to solo it.

The change in the last patch moving their spawn point around did absolutely nothing for congestion.

[Kimble]

Running into people who are camping it for seals shouldn't be much of a problem if you are after T3 upgrade and visa-verse. Team up with them and you get what you want, and they get what they want.

[Zumi]

Doesn't really work out too well, you can team up with one group but they will still try to out claim all the other groups and often you won't be the one to claim it because they are trying to out claim the other people.

This does work if there is only 1 group there and they are a seal group but that rarely is the case.

[Arcon]

I don't think moving the spawn point had anything to do with congestion. I hoped moving the spawn point would address stuff like, making Gamayun move up the waterfall, or Chione up the cliff, which was really annoying.

Speaking of which, where do Gamayun and Koios spawn these days? Only did Chione since update.

[Kimble]

I think I just got lucky and ran into nice people when it came to them just wanting seals. If they popped and upgraded due to comp, they would just let us use their t3 pop as long as we stayed to keep trying to upgrade our t2s

[svengalis]

I don't think moving the spawn point had anything to do with congestion. I hoped moving the spawn point would address stuff like, making Gamayun move up the waterfall, or Chione up the cliff, which was really annoying.

Speaking of which, where do Gamayun and Koios spawn these days? Only did Chione since update.

Not sure about gamayun but koios spawns around flux 2 and 5.

[Olor]

I dunno, just got my ballad harp - when I first got there someone was duoing the VNM, I asked them if they needed the harp, they said no, they wanted upgrade. They finished the NM pretty quickly. They did another pop, I just soloed, then they sent me a tell saying they had got the upgrade.

I camped next two spawns, no harp drop. Then someone else got a spawn, I sent them a tell saying "you after the harp? If not want to team up?" and they didn't reply. So next spawn, I got the spawn and soloed it down, got the harp.

About half an hour later I got a tell from the first person I had spoken to asking me if I still needed the harp. So not really hard to get, people are happy to give it away.

Moral of the story, although I have definately seem some VNMs really camped (Koios), it seems as people get the content they want in a little bit of time, a lot of the NMs are not very camped. I spent a whole day soloing VNM and timed NMs in La Thiene. I got all sorts of the drops I didn't want (didn't get cape or boots I wanted, but whatever), and never had competition for any of the nms or VNMs at any point (well someone was killing Mangy Marvin or whatever that rabbit's name is at one point, but I just went and popped T3 VNM instead)

[Arcon]

Moral of the story, although I have definately seem some VNMs really camped (Koios), it seems as people get the content they want in a little bit of time, a lot of the NMs are not very camped. I spent a whole day soloing VNM and timed NMs in La Thiene. I got all sorts of the drops I didn't want (didn't get cape or boots I wanted, but whatever), and never had competition for any of the nms or VNMs at any point (well someone was killing Mangy Marvin or whatever that rabbit's name is at one point, but I just went and popped T3 VNM instead)

The problem with overcamping is only in the three Heroes zones: Altepa (Koios), Uleguerand (Chione) and Grauberg (Gamayun). The other zones are irrelevant, because they don't drop Colorless Souls, which is what this is all about.

[Rearden]

Guess you are unaware of +2 item drops in Abys-Vunkerl? lol.

Anyway, that picture has hardly anyone in it. In fact, I would have called that "no competition" when I was camping mine.

[Monchat]

The devs clearly do not care about people upgrading shield or harpe. They did everything to simplify the work of people working on body seals, Now its easier to farm body seals this way rather than pop NMs and harder to farm colorless souls. I called it and speed farmed my 75 the week before the update, I knew it would be fucked up.

[Arcon]

Guess you are unaware of +2 item drops in Abys-Vunkerl?

Can't really be compared. The congestion isn't nearly as bad. I've camped Ketea and Lusca for some time to get lots of people their +2, and I've never even seen any competition at all. And it's no surprise, as there's several good reasons for that. First of all, people only need to kill it twice to finish a +2 set, not 40+ times, as is the case with Heroes VNMs. Sceondly, the T2 don't drop something of as much value as the T2 do in Heroes zones. Also, the T3 in Heroes zones actually drop something useful for other jobs, which people are also interested in obtaining, unlike the other T3s. PUP weapon not so much anymore, but COR weapon, Gifted Earring, Shadow Belt, Flame Sachet, Siegel Sash and Maleficus I've all seen people camp for. And lastly, the drops from Scars T2 VNMs can also be obtained by other means, some less painful, some about equally painful, but still not forcing anyone to do it this way (you can also team up with people doing Farsha or Gandiva, sometimes they don't need the items at all).

And as I've mentioned in the other thread, some people don't even have a problem with that. Personally, I don't mind the competition, maybe it's some latent sadistic tendencies, but it reminds me of the old HNM days. And it's still not nearly as bad, I claim them at a decent enough rate to get stuff done eventually.

[Runespider]

The devs clearly do not care about people upgrading shield or harpe.

I highly doubt they will do anything about making anything easier from now on, they already tweaked t2s which did nothing and shows their intentions.

Old FFXI was all about competing with a lot of others, having terrible bottlenecks and making the content take a lot longer, Abyssea era was about making fun content everyone could enjoy..that time is I think, over.

[Kimble]

Guys act like making a Harp/Shield is impossible or something.

[Runespider]

Guys act like making a Harp/Shield is impossible or something.

Keep in mind Abyssea endgame is for casuals, to these kinds of players it seems that way.

To people that did oldgame it's just annoying.

[Rearden]

No, Abyssea was an end game event that was open to casuals.

[Monchat]

Old FFXI was all about competing with a lot of others, having terrible bottlenecks and making the content take a lot longer, Abyssea era was about making fun content everyone could enjoy..that time is I think, over.

tbh standard abyssea is similar to old ffxi. Thats the abyssea part i fuckign hate. Camping ???s, camping time pop NMs, all those dargon aery II aspect. Its too hard to tripple every ??? I guess. Prety much the only thing I have against abyssea, it would be perfect if you didn't have to compete for ???s.

[Runespider]

tbh standard abyssea is similar to old ffxi. Thats the abyssea part i fuckign hate. Camping ???s, camping time pop NMs, all those dargon aery II aspect. Its too hard to tripple every ??? I guess. Prety much the only thing I have against abyssea, it would be perfect if you didn't have to compete for ???s.

Old FFXI the ??? would of taken 24 hours+ (at best) to respawn and would randomly appear between a 3-5 hour window . Nowadays even if people are bot popping the ??? you simply wait till they finish and are gone in an hour or so, in the past you would never get to pop, ever. It was common practice in HNM times for shells to keep bot claiming HNM at any time of the day and night they popped just to stop others getting claim... even if nobody actually needed anything from them, just to stop others getting the gear or safeguard their selling business. So really not even remotely the same.

[detlef]

The picture in the OP isn't really heavy competition. One group fighting, one group that got beat to the pop, and the OP.

Also, nobody cares about T3 VNM in Visions or Scars zones. While they do drop +2 items, they are not an exclusive source of said items and regardless, the mad rush for +2's has passed.

Honestly though, even with multiple groups like this, the situation is better. At least people aren't always at Chione all the time.

[Taint2]

Where does Chione pop now?

[Rearden]

if it follows what the others did, in gears or menaces