Fix the new scrolls issue

[Kaup]

I can understand trying to make Comet rare, but even the basic ones like Thunder V and Blizzaja?

Not to mention they are in content no one does and by the looks of how few have even made it to the AH it's not like it's making anyone do this worthless content. The only thing I see it's making more people just cancel like myself.

[Symbiote]

Welcome to the day after new content is released. Why don't you wait a month to start complaining?

"Content no one does" do you see the brilliance in this? No one does the content. SE adds desirable drops to said content. People begin doing it!

I love how people throw around the "I'm quitting because of X" line all the time when they are unhappy about the latest release.

[Rearden]

Dang, another winner from Lakshmi

[Greatguardian]

I can understand trying to make Comet rare, but even the basic ones like Thunder V and Blizzaja?

Not to mention they are in content no one does and by the looks of how few have even made it to the AH it's not like it's making anyone do this worthless content. The only thing I see it's making more people just cancel like myself.

So go do the content.

Frack.

BCNMs are super fracking hard, guys. It's not like countless other spells have been released in these before. If you're too fracking terrible at the game to kill the KCNM, then farm up some gil and wait until someone who's better than you puts the scrolls on the AH. They are not all going to be there on day 1 or day 2 no matter what.

No one's handing out free candy any more. It's the playerbase's own fault for sitting around and bitching and moaning about how Abyssea was too easy. Having to actually fight in battlefields for high level spells or buy them from the AH? What a travesty.

[Loir]

Quit, no one is going to miss you.

[Runespider]

Square ruined the economy with Abyssea, now they are trying to rebuild it by putting very desirable rare drops in difficult fights that everyone wants. If these scrolls do come from WoE and new BCNM the prices will be really crazy high for a long time, so get used to not having them or go farm them yourself.

[svengalis]

For the first time since I returned last year, I saw more then 5 people in walk of echoes last night. Blizzaja probably won't be an issue but I am sure comet will stay millions if it is only bcnm.

[Zarchery]

I'm a bit disappointed too, that the availability of spells is contingent upon the activities of other players. With XP being so easy, and so many people having mage jobs levelled so high, I'm a bit concerned that supply will never keep up with demand.

It kind of discourages me from levelling BLM, WHM, and BRD up to 95, since without the spells, the jobs are virtually unchanged.

I'm thinking I might just continue playing the way I've been playing for a month or two and not worry about levelling up, except for MNK, until then.

[Greatguardian]

Why not just ... do the KCNMs?

[Xellith]

I can understand trying to make Comet rare, but even the basic ones like Thunder V and Blizzaja?

Not to mention they are in content no one does and by the looks of how few have even made it to the AH it's not like it's making anyone do this worthless content. The only thing I see it's making more people just cancel like myself.

Would you prefer they dropped off robber crabs? Or another item that you can get from abyssea "because you do it". If something comes from content that you don't do - then get some ppl together and go do it. Its a shame they stopped coins from dropping off the mobs but long as you clear the zone you get your own items anyways.

So just take a bunch of friends and go kill the zones. They aren't particularly hard. I'm assuming they will be easier at level 95. Not to mention you have the re-raise thing now too after 30 seconds. Just do it™

[Zarchery]

Why not just ... do the KCNMs?

You need to get the cooperation of other people for that, and pickup groups for any kind of remotely challenging fight are disastrous.

[Greatguardian]

Cooperation? In FFXI?

Shocking.

Maybe people will, like, you know, talk to each other now.

[Rearden]

So many tears

[Zarchery]

Cooperation? In FFXI?

Shocking.

Maybe people will, like, you know, talk to each other now.

Did you miss the part where I said that doing challenging fights with a pickup group usually ends in disaster? I teamed up with people I trusted on missions and endgame events and Assault missions and the like, and it went well. However, every time I've tried to do that kind of stuff with pick up groups, it was a horrible experience.

So the suggestion "just do the HKCNMs" is in reality "attempt and fail at the HKCNMs and don't get anything but wasted time".

But no big deal. I'm sure that within a month the supply on those scrolls will increase and it shouldn't be tough for more casual players to get their hands on them.

[Greatguardian]

You don't know any competent people you can go with? I'm currently having to shuffle people because all of my friends want in on these fights and they have a 6-man limit.

[Urthdigger]

It's funny that someone's bitching about these new scrolls requiring effort to get. I never hear anyone suggesting the 3 mil PUP attachments drop from content people actually do. Or whine when decent armor/weapons get added to tough things.

[Rearden]

Challenging fights? People are 3boxing them. More tears!

[Sparthos]

No effort, no reward.

[Rearden]

No effort, no reward.

The only effort I should have to put forth is walking to the NPC ALL THE WAY IN LOWER JEUNO and I should only have to pay 10,000g because I deserve to have these spells. Anything else is balderdash.

Listen it's my 12.95 and my 12.95 doesn't include an interest in HKCNM ok so LISTEN UP SE PLZ MAKE IT EASY FOR MY 12.95

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Speaking of which, dose anyone know where Kakka comes from yet?

[Raksha]

I'm surprised the NPC in windy_s doesnt sell them, but oh well.


Dang, another winner from Lakshmi

Mostly this.

[Vortex]

Bascialy all i read from this was "Waaaaaa i can't get my scroll for free from a npc outside my MH so i quit." i want my 4 seconds of reading that crap back.

[Economizer]

Speaking of which, dose anyone know where Kakka comes from yet?

If you mean the Scholar 2hour spells, you get them from the Scholar NPC in the necropolis, with SCH 5+ as your main job. They are free, and the dialog to get them is quite lame, although I guess I shouldn't complain about them being easy to get. If you sub Scholar a lot, it means you now have two spells that you can never use stuck in your spell list... the things I do for completion endeavors. :(

Edit: I just realized you are talking about the new Ninja scroll. Opps. I currently have no clue, but my guess would be the new KCNM fights. Since one of those is supposedly bugged to not land a chest, there could be issues with locating this scroll.

Good luck landing Yurin and Kakka on your foes!

[Vortex]

If you mean the Scholar 2hour spells, you get them from the Scholar NPC in the necropolis, with SCH 5+ as your main job. They are free, and the dialog to get them is quite lame, although I guess I shouldn't complain about them being easy to get. If you sub Scholar a lot, it means you now have two spells that you can never use stuck in your spell list... the things I do for completion endeavors. :(

Yes, Kakka:ichi means embrava and kaustra.

[Chilzen]

Psst... The reason why you didn't see any of those spells on the AH is because the people who needed them went to those "worthless events nobody ever does" and farmed their own before they started farming more to slap on the AH to churn a profit off people who refuse to do the same.

A suggestion is that you give WoE and the new High Kindred Crests fights a try, since you might actually realize SE makes good content throughout the game, and has better gear for you to obtain than the ol faithful Perle set from the Abyssea NPC that waits for you right as soon as you enter the zone. Why, you might even get to work on an imitation Emp Weapon out of it!

Honestly, there's about 40-60 people constantly in WoE since the update hit, and I know there's tons of people in Port that'll join you if you /sh for the new battlefields. Our server can organize pickup groups that actually win most things, so don't let the fear of failure stop you. I'm sure it didn't if you shot past Maat @ 70.

[Runespider]

Psst... The reason why you didn't see any of those spells on the AH is because the people who needed them went to those "worthless events nobody ever does" and farmed their own before they started farming more to slap on the AH to churn a profit off people who refuse to do the same.

A suggestion is that you give WoE and the new High Kindred Crests fights a try, since you might actually realize SE makes good content throughout the game, and has better gear for you to obtain than the ol faithful Perle set from the Abyssea NPC that waits for you right as soon as you enter the zone. Why, you might even get to work on an imitation Emp Weapon out of it!

You have to realise though that some people just don't have the knowledge, contacts or ability to do this stuff, if that was not the case +1 and +2 would not still be a rarity.

[Ravenmore]

Wait what +1 +2 emp. armor? If that what your saying is rare then I want some of the stuff you got. Its comes down to being lazy is all. They either don't feel like seal hunting their 5th or 6th job or if they truely suck at getting groups for seals there is always the quest.

Fact is though none of these spells are EX and are not "omg you are useless with out it right now". So waiting till they are up on the AH and paying what ever amount is a small price if they can't even be bothered to go and try to shout to try to do the fights.

[Rearden]

So far, HKCNM/Voidwatch/WoE have all dropped scrolls.

BUT I WANT THE MOOGLE IN RULUDE TO GIVE IT TO ME

[Aver]

So far, HKCNM/Voidwatch/WoE have all dropped scrolls.

BUT I WANT THE MOOGLE IN RULUDE TO GIVE IT TO ME

I want the moogle to find it in my armouire randomly.

[Zarchery]

My concern, and maybe I'm off base on this, is that if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls. I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.

[Lordscyon]

Welcome too Vandiel!

[Gokulo]

But they're not.

[Kimble]

As long as people pay good money for them, people will keep doing them

[Runespider]

As long as people pay good money for them, people will keep doing them

I don't know really, I and I think most decent players have more gil than they know what to do with at this point. These are the kinds of players that would of farmed the crap out of this in the past, to the point way beyond boredom.

The demand is going to way overshoot what the small number of people that would bother farming these at this point would be able to supply, the prices on these scrolls will be epic and I can see them having to make them more easily available pretty soon.

[Kimble]

People are already paying like 5-10 mil for scrolls. I dont really need gil but id totally sell them for that much. He'll could build a relic or mythic pretty easily with that kinda gil easily coming in.

[Rearden]

You deserve nothing, so there can be all the demand in the world but you deserve nothing.

[xbobx]

here is what happens.

Melee Jobs level into their abilities etc. They spam the bcnms etc and manipulate the price of the spells for mage, then complain when the mage doesn't have that spell because the melee have jacked the price up to 2+ million.

Remember Raise 3?
I disagree with them putting spells in places like this, I can seem making it something you work for but you have to understand how SE works. If there is content that hardly anyone does, they don't fix it, they throw stuff in there that people need to entice (force) people into doing it. Woe for example. Pathetic content with crap rewards so they throw coins in there.

[Rearden]

2011: We only have one job

[xbobx]

Many people probably still do, or people leveled a few but don't get invited into the bcnm fight because they don't have the "right" job. Ya , never seen that before. So someone should level the "right" job to 95 so they can get a scroll?

[Sparthos]

Many people probably still do, or people leveled a few but don't get invited into the bcnm fight because they don't have the "right" job. Ya , never seen that before. So someone should level the "right" job to 95 so they can get a scroll?

Either setup a run of KCNMs, do WoE when interest peaks or wait a few weeks for supply to overtake demand.

The rich will buy their fill and then the price has no where to go but down.

These scrolls drop in WoE, KCNMs AND Voidwatch. The price will fall, most people are still EXPing their classes up to 95 so much of the available labor is preoccupied.

[Greatguardian]

My concern, and maybe I'm off base on this, is that if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls. I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.

No.

People complained about all of the new battlefields the Devs were adding because they weren't worth the time/effort to go out and do them. Now, they are. Not only are scrolls present, but there are some decent equipment drops that come from these HKCNMs as well. And you know what the absolute most important part is?

They're fun.

So, if people want to get hung up on the fact that they actually have to DO something outside of Abyssea, they're welcome to cry about it all they want. Personally, I enjoy these BCs, and will probably continue to do them long after I'm done milking gil from the retards who refuse to get up and do the fight themselves. As long as I can turn a profit on them, they'll be worth doing. And they're really not even remotely difficult for a group with half a brain, so it's not like they're inaccessible.

[xiozen]

I LOVE IT! GO do the under used content such as WoE and Voidwatch... this is SE's way of saying, don't ignore the new stuffz if you want new stuffz...and I don't blame them... GO GO GO SE Good move! ^^

[Ank]

Yeah man, like go back to Undine if you want handouts like the last seven tier V nukes, and almost if not all spells since 75. This aint your momma's ffxi.

[InspectorGadget]

Personally I have nothing against Walk of Echoes, just not enough people do it. Even after the changes and additions they made with this update, there were 0 people in that zone for a good chunk of yesterday afternoon on my server.

[Babekeke]

My concern, and maybe I'm off base on this, is that if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls. I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.

If this was the case, there would be no scrolls on the AH, so people unable to do them would stand in jeuno offering gil for either help to do the HKCNMs or just to buy the scroll. Once the money offered is high enough, people will do the events to farm and sell the scrolls. Once so many people are farming them that people are undercutting to get them sold, the price drops. If the price drops so much that it's not worth doing the HKCNM anymore, scrolls stop appearing on AH and the price rises again.

It's a very simple case of supply and demand. Stand in Jeuno and shout for a scroll of Comet for 10 mil, and someone will sell you one before long.

Simples. x

[Byrth]

All the new spells seem to drop in Walk of Echoes, Voidwatch, and new HKCNMs. It's not as fast and simple as buying it from an NPC, but it's still okay in my opinion :3

[scaevola]

My concern, and maybe I'm off base on this, is that if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls. I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.

Utsusemi: Ni

Also, re: walk of echoes, I can't speak for anybody else but on Cerberus, people are doing it. This morning, I was in a Flux 5 with 24 other people; we cleared the place in 5 minutes. This doesn't mean people will keep doing it, of course, but Flux 9 is the new Flux 5 and as the guy who made a thread hand-wringing about no more mob coin drops, I am satisfied that SE's mission's been accomplished in WoE at least in the short term.

Everyone should consider it their patriotic Vana'duty (nyuk nyuk) to go camp Flux 9 once an hour. It's easy as hell as it is, and the more people you bring, the easier it gets because the greater the chance somebody's going to get a brew from the little dudes. Between scrolls/Devious Dice, this will probably be on par with proper Dynamis soloing for profit, if not better (can't tell how the DD market's going to be just yet, of course, but with WoE weapons now being an incredibly viable option for pretty much everybody, I'm going to go out on a limb and say "worth it").

(The qualifying cutoff seems REALLY generous, in case anybody's wondering. In one 5 run, I didn't join until all the saltopuses were dead and Natrix was at 55%; I ran up as DNC, swung a few times, died to nerve gas, then zombied him, getting a few swings and dying to a TP move until he was dead, and still got 6k xp and qualified for loot)

[SpankWustler]

Speaking of which, dose anyone know where Kakka comes from yet?

Food eaten prior to it's production. Here is my source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feces) for this information. Apparently, enduring jokes about it are vital to becoming a higher level adventurer, so it's possible someone leveled up just from reading this post.

On a more serious note, I couldn't be happier with how the new scrolls are obtained. So far, it looks like they can drop from Walk of Echoes, High Kindred Crest battlefields, and even Voidwatch. Plenty of options, all more interesting than "pay a Galkan NPC 150,000 gil".

[Alhanelem]

Not to mention they are in content no one doesThe whole idea is to get people to do that content that "no one does." Incentive drives events. Would anyone have ever done sky or sea or limbus if it never had anything rewarding (at the time)?

[katiekat]

as i said on my topic i made i don't mind doing the HKNM's my deal is if they wanted to do this do it from the start dont release all tear V spells on a npc then make the last a event drop. i was expecting comit to be a bugger to get but thunder V was kinda of a wtf only becuse al the others were npc .

i mite be wrong but am pretty sure this is the first time SE made it so the tear element spells cant all be uptaned in the same way be it farming tear 4 or byeing t1 on npc's

[Babekeke]

as i said on my topic i made i don't mind doing the HKNM's my deal is if they wanted to do this do it from the start dont release all tear V spells on a npc then make the last a event drop. i was expecting comit to be a bugger to get but thunder V was kinda of a wtf only becuse al the others were npc .

i mite be wrong but am pretty sure this is the first time SE made it so the tear element spells cant all be uptaned in the same way be it farming tear 4 or byeing t1 on npc's

The spelling is a joke, right? Right?

[Alhanelem]

some of the tier IV spells (and ga II spells) are harder to get than others, argument holds no water.

[Luvbunny]

I hope this new trend of going back to the 2003-2005 years will not last, if it does, time to vote with your wallet and cancel the subscription. I play the game casually and for fun, it's nice with aby since you are always being rewarded regardless, wether it is xp, random seals, sellable pop items, decent gears that will tide you over, atma, key items, etc..There is always something to be had, for a short run of play. If this is the new trends where you have to spend hours and hours and hours for no return, then all I can say is "go to hell SE and you are not getting any money from me" heh heh

[Babygyrl]

YEa, givei t a little more time, maybe theres a npc that sells them that hasnt been found yet.. if in a few weeks nothing is found.. then maybe we should be complaining.

[Greatguardian]

I hope this new trend of going back to the 2003-2005 years will not last, if it does, time to vote with your wallet and cancel the subscription. I play the game casually and for fun, it's nice with aby since you are always being rewarded regardless, wether it is xp, random seals, sellable pop items, decent gears that will tide you over, atma, key items, etc..There is always something to be had, for a short run of play. If this is the new trends where you have to spend hours and hours and hours for no return, then all I can say is "go to hell SE and you are not getting any money from me" heh heh

All you people complaining about SE "going back to 2003" obviously never played much in 2003. That, or your memories are collectively terrible and/or you just want to sell some talking points and rhetoric.

2003 was bloody terrible when it came to convenience. Having to run to a BCNM that you can teleport, chocobo, OP warp, Nexus Cape, Abyssea Warp, and run to at 12%+ speed for every job is NOWHERE CLOSE to the amount of crap people had to put up with on release. WoE is even easier to get to. You just Retrace and your home nation will zip you to within 10 bloody feet of the entrance.

Cancel your subscription without even attempting to get off your butt if you really want to, but you'll have no sympathy from me.

[Modoru]

Why are you complaining?

So you're forced to actually work for spells? God forbid you break a sweat for once trying to obtain spells. You don't want to do BCNMs? Fine then, play casually, save up, and buy it eventually. However, don't start whining about it just because you don't feel like using at least some sort of effort to get some spells worth using[?].

[Zarchery]

Utsusemi: Ni

Good point. Doesn't that still just drop off some 30 and 40 cap BCNM fights? Raise III too. I've already seen a few of the spells up on the AH over here on Carbuncle, albeit for exhorbitant multimillion gil prices. I think if I was REALLY determined and willing to buy gil (which I'm not), I could have all BLM spells by the end of the week.

[Greatguardian]

I think if you were REALLY determined and did the HKCNM/WoE/Voidwatch/whatever, you could have all BLM spells by the end of the week without buying gil and with plenty left over to sell.

[Xellith]

My concern, and maybe I'm off base on this, is that if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls. I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.


if the scrolls are the ONLY reason people go to do the content which provides them, people will stop doing them when they get their own scrolls.


I don't mind paying even a high price at the auction house to get them, as long as I can get them.

yea ppl are goiing to be doing walk of echos for a long time for those scrolls with people like you around ^^

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I think if you were REALLY determined and did the HKCNM/WoE/Voidwatch/whatever, you could have all BLM spells by the end of the week without buying gil and with plenty left over to sell.Determination cannot make up for the lack of manpower if said individual cannot aquire it though. lol

[Zarchery]

yea ppl are goiing to be doing walk of echos for a long time for those scrolls with people like you around ^^

I sure hope so. It would be unfair to make doing these fights the only possible way to get your hands on the new scrolls. It reminds me of the old days when people were complaining about the cost of Leaping Boots and Emperor Hairpin, asking that they be made Rare/Ex. This always struck me as unfair, because it takes away the option of just finding gil on your own and buying this stuff, rather than camping the NMs.

Personally, I think half a million gil is about the most I'm willing to shell out for a spell. I'm probably gonna spend a month utilizing any of the dozen ways to make gil, and fatten my wallet whilst waiting for the price to come down.

[Neonii]

You have to realise though that some people just don't have the knowledge, contacts or ability to do this stuff, if that was not the case +1 and +2 would not still be a rarity.

This or maybe having friends who don't get along with each other. Often folks will do things with you personally but won't if you include folks they don't like. Now if that is a lot of folks on your friend list it can be a challenge. I would say maybe try to organize it outside of close friends maybe even ask on a couple of forums. Organize a small static with the goal of all members getting what they need. These days I tend to find like minded folks to static stuff with since many of my friend list don't get along. Some do but not a lot of them.

Also about those plus 2 some folks don't have them because they lost the majority of the rolls. If several people are rolling on the same plus2 items it can take a very long time to collect enough, especially now when so many have finished and the demand has gone down. I would not paint all plus2 equally maybe folks had to level chore jobs and are still gearing those jobs they were compelled to level to be included in any content.

[Mizuharu]

So glad I don't have to buy any scrolls this update...

-Temper sucks since it's self target.
-Holy I/II is a waste of MP. Only time I even cast Holy I is stagger/trying to steal killshot.
-Been hoarding Blizzard/Fire V since last update for my sch. And I have months before the next level cap increase for Thunder V to drop in price...
-Kaustra/Embrava are free from an NPC.
-My BLM is an Automaton. Who gets Thunder V. For free.
-Don't have BLM so Blizzaja/Comet? </no> <problem>

But about the OP's original post; lol. Just do the content. WOEs is easy now since you aren't fighting people for items. Everyone gets a private treasure pool seperate from everyone else.

[Gallus]

Should the scrolls be npc sold? Hell no. Why? Because it forces everyone into doing the content and it drives the price on the new gear that drops from the same sources way down. Watch; all the sellable stuff this update will plummet in price at a record pace. Almost all of the new items have 5+ listings on the AH so far.

[Icepop]

On my server last night there were 700 pp in Woe zone Waiting for a Flux Access . Se will Learn there Lesson come Friday an Saturday when All Kids are off school. an there over 2k pp in zone Fishing for Dam Scroll Hope we Crash Server then they learn.

[katiekat]

LL boots and EMP pin went RX because gilsellers were manupalising the nms both items were selling for well over 1mil on my server. so SE made RX items so you know people could camp the items and i don't know achely use them at an early level

[Mahoro]

On my server last night there were 700 pp in Woe zone Waiting for a Flux Access . Se will Learn there Lesson come Friday an Saturday when All Kids are off school. an there over 2k pp in zone Fishing for Dam Scroll Hope we Crash Server then they learn.

On my server there are a constant 40+ people in WoE now. As far as I'm concerned, SE accomplished their objective in getting people to do WoE, and I certainly don't fault them for it. What was one of the biggest complaints over WoE? Besides drop rate of coins, the fact that the gear was mostly sidegrade and/or worthless. SE's solution: put worthwhile stuff in WoE. I had a great time fighting with 20-25 people in a flux last night. With auto-RR and less lag, it felt like Campaign 2.0.

[Greatguardian]

Determination cannot make up for the lack of manpower if said individual cannot aquire it though. lol

Can't design all MMO content around solo players, dawg.

[Erecia]

The problem is that, with prices of everything around 3-5 mil, you'd have to be a total 'tard not to sell the scrolls even if you did the content. The supply is so restricted that learning the spell instead of selling it feels sort of like eating a Fabergé egg.

[Greatguardian]

Well it's the same as selling Perle/Aurore/Teal gear the first week or two after Visions was released. I made millions of gil off of people who didn't bother trying to figure out how to accumulate cruor, and then just went and bought my own with cruor when the AH prices tanked.

[Vold]

Let's get something straight here. The only reason we've had it so good with cheap spell prices in this new era is because EVERYONE was/is doing Abyssea. Never before could we say that, that an entire server was doing Dynamis. Or Limbus. Or Sky. Etc. Abyssea is over with now. If people want cheap spells then EVERYONE needs to do WoE, Voidwatch, and the new BCs. If you don't do these then you give up your right to complain. You either pay up or don't.


LL boots and EMP pin went RX because gilsellers were manupalising the nms both items were selling for well over 1mil on my server. so SE made RX items so you know people could camp the items and i don't know achely use them at an early level
This has always been hogwash. RMT never went after lottery NMs because their pop couldn't be predicted and most of them had huge spawn areas like Emp and Lizzy. They stuck to stuff like Mee Deggi which was a sure thing with 4 or 5 of them at the camp. And since people took the stance of "RMT are there, I'll never claim it" they dominated the Mee and Domi camps for years.

Try seeing how long you stay in business trying to farm popular lottery NMs where you may never get a claim when like 5 players were guaranteed to be around camping it 24/7. RMT would be better off farming beehive chips than wasting their time with NMs they can't monopolize.

LL and VE were changed simply because people whined for many years about competing with THFs for claims. Notice I didn't say others, I said THFs. Because that was exactly how it went down. THFs got all the grief. They were considered as low as RMT. Until they got you your crap with their TH. They were your best friend. Then they went back to being as low as RMT.

And the presumption that only RMT raises prices on stuff didn't help. SE decided to move a bunch of popular drops RMT monopolized to BCs and replaced them with ex drops. They just happened to figure it was a good chance to knock out two birds with one stone: RMT and NM whiners.

[Buffy]

I hope this new trend of going back to the 2003-2005 years will not last, if it does, time to vote with your wallet and cancel the subscription. I play the game casually and for fun, it's nice with aby since you are always being rewarded regardless, wether it is xp, random seals, sellable pop items, decent gears that will tide you over, atma, key items, etc..There is always something to be had, for a short run of play. If this is the new trends where you have to spend hours and hours and hours for no return, then all I can say is "go to hell SE and you are not getting any money from me" heh heh

I'm exceptionally happy that the game is getting harder. Abyssea is boring - bring on the pain.

[Babekeke]

Let's get something straight here. The only reason we've had it so good with cheap spell prices in this new era is because EVERYONE was/is doing Abyssea. Never before could we say that, that an entire server was doing Dynamis. Or Limbus. Or Sky. Etc. Abyssea is over with now. If people want cheap spells then EVERYONE needs to do WoE, Voidwatch, and the new BCs. If you don't do these then you give up your right to complain. You either pay up or don't.

Once the mass influx of getting jobs 90-95 ends then there will be less people in abyssea. This means less pop sets appearing on the AH, which means prices going up. Anyone not wanting/able to do VW/WoE/HKCNM should go to farming these pop sets to make cash, then buy the scrolls from the AH.

Either way, there needs to be less Q.Qing.

[Rearden]

Any word on if they fixed the new scrolls issue?

[Dreamin]

There's a difference between content that is challenging (hard) and drop that is extremely rare (hard to get). Content that is hard should have appropriate reward. But when reward is not based on work/challenge but rather the 'hard to get' as in how lucky is your random number generator, then things are out of touch.

Especially now no one will do any other fluxes but 7/9/11 (at least on my server) and those are almost always capped with people.

[Siiri]

Even some Blue gartr regulars are complaining now about spells. Page 58 of the WOE thread there, poor drop rate in HKC battles and WOE. At the very least take out spells below level 91 from WOE. I get valor minuet V every other run.

[Malacite]

This is where XIV wins big time.

Spells are learned as you level up.

[Camiie]

I joke with my LS that the only mage job I can afford to get all the spells for is BLU. Thing about humor is, there's usually a tinge of truth to it.

[Hayward]

Even some Blue gartr regulars are complaining now about spells. Page 58 of the WOE thread there, poor drop rate in HKC battles and WOE. At the very least take out spells below level 91 from WOE. I get valor minuet V every other run.

Now I've heard everything. Time to get ready for 2012 and the Mayan prophecy.

In any case, not matching initial demand with the appropriate supply of scrolls was very poorly played this time around. Any rationale by S-E developers can't possibly justify it now any more than it could be justified in '05-'06 during the last reign of inflation.

[Vortex]

This is where XIV wins big time.

Spells are learned as you level up.

This is hardly a reason that it would win, it's like a small sprinkle on a cake. you won't notice it's there nor will it make the cake any better.


I don't really so much mind the scolls as it's the abysmal drop rate on them. all this does is make the greedy people who get them happier. it's pretty sad when the main scrolls you get is crap like blizzard 5 fire 5 and migiwari ichi

[Atomic_Skull]

I can understand trying to make Comet rare, but even the basic ones like Thunder V and Blizzaja?

Not to mention they are in content no one does and by the looks of how few have even made it to the AH it's not like it's making anyone do this worthless content. The only thing I see it's making more people just cancel like myself.

If they make the common what would be the point of doing the new BCNMs?

[Atomic_Skull]

This is where XIV wins big time.

Spells are learned as you level up.

XIV has already failed and the PS3 is not going to save it. At the pace they are fixing it it probably won't be ready until 2013. No MMO in history has managed to recover from a failed launch and if XIV somehow manages to be the exception it will be an unprecedented miracle.

The odds are against it.

[Rearden]

Now I've heard everything. Time to get ready for 2012 and the Mayan prophecy.

In any case, not matching initial demand with the appropriate supply of scrolls was very poorly played this time around. Any rationale by S-E developers can't possibly justify it now any more than it could be justified in '05-'06 during the last reign of inflation.


Yeah. The difference is our WoE thread isn't complaints about how scrolls are not affordable or hard to get or just darn impossible and mean. It's a static observation that drop rates are low from WoE and nothing more.

[Runespider]

If they wanted to force us to do the crappy endgame events they made that almost everyone hates they should of made the scrolls r/e and drop a lot more plentifully, as it is they just pissed everyone off. whoever is in charge now (lol) just has no idea how to run a game or how to deal with their playerbase. If they wanted to make the game more annoying again they should of at the very least done it gradually.

It's almost as if the guy that made FFXIV completely and utterly fail is in charge of FFXI again :D

The update is pitiful in terms of content and the decisions they made with what they did add, it's like they wanted to annoy us.

[Kimble]

Boo hoo, I have to do events to get items I want.

Oh wait, we are playing an mmo? Where would you rather have spells come from? Just from NPC?

Lets put it this way, if they made events that didnt drop anything people wanted, no one would do them, no matter how fun they are. They would do it once for the fight, and be done with it.

[Shiyo]

Upping the drop rates on stuff will just turn this game into a rift/WOW clone where you do things once then never do it again cause things are like 99% drop rate. Game will get boring fast, and we'll beat content faster than they can impliment it. Do you really want that? It's very boring.

[Camiie]

I'd like to see spells that only have one source be given multiple sources. That way at least people can choose whether they want to quest, farm, join an event, or do a BCNM for their scroll. They'd still have to be "earned" but at least people could pick their poison.

[Runespider]

Upping the drop rates on stuff will just turn this game into a rift/WOW clone where you do things once then never do it again cause things are like 99% drop rate. Game will get boring fast, and we'll beat content faster than they can impliment it. Do you really want that? It's very boring.

You are describing FFXI, blue/yellow proc = very high drop rate. The game is already at that point, genie is out of the bottle. You can't make a game a certain way then just expect everyone to eat the old ways again, the vast majority of players just won't accept it now.

I don't mind some sliding to a more difficult system but if there is no outcry at how bad this update was we will be back to HNM drop rates where it took 3+ years to get one piece of armor. Very few XI players are as hardcore as we used to be, we have some amount of outside life now and that kind of nonsense just ain't gonna fly.

[Camiie]

Upping the drop rates on stuff will just turn this game into a rift/WOW clone where you do things once then never do it again cause things are like 99% drop rate. Game will get boring fast, and we'll beat content faster than they can impliment it. Do you really want that? It's very boring.


You must be playing a different WoW than I'm familiar with or just not playing it at all.

[Greatguardian]

I'd like to see spells that only have one source be given multiple sources. That way at least people can choose whether they want to quest, farm, join an event, or do a BCNM for their scroll. They'd still have to be "earned" but at least people could pick their poison.

All of the new spells can be obtained in either WoE, HKCNM, of Voidwatch. There are 3 sources per spell already =/.

[Siiri]

Upping the drop rates on stuff will just turn this game into a rift/WOW clone where you do things once then never do it again cause things are like 99% drop rate. Game will get boring fast, and we'll beat content faster than they can impliment it. Do you really want that? It's very boring.

This is a change for SE. That is the point. Other times the events were for gear. This time the events are for spells. Even at the worse you could drop 1 million and get any spell in game. Now its 5 million and only hope is through the event. SE apparently has lost the ability to design anything but side grades of gear so they have to make spells a 1% drop rate to get people to do the events. Funny thing is most people are so burnt on abyssea and were aching for WOE to be fun, which it is, that they didn't need need every black mage spell to be ridiculously hard to get. My only thought in complaining about the WOE drop rate, is take all the old spells out of the confluxes 8-11. My link shell has been spamming it all week and all we ever get is Valor Minuet V, Blizzard V, Firaja, etc. Loosen up a bit SE.

[Greatguardian]

Are you really so impatient?

Comet will be sub-500k in two weeks, tops. On top of that, tons of spells used to cost upwards of 5 million gil back in the "glory days" of FFXI. I bought Erase for 1.5M, and Raise III for nearly 2M, back when sitting around and farming for hours on end was how most people made their gil.

Christ, get over it.

[Siiri]

No, I am not that impatient. I am discussing the low drop rate. I too played in the old days. I took 3 months off from leveling black mage back in 2005 to mine in gusgun mines and goldsmith for enough gil to buy HQ staffs. It is no biggie, I am just stating a fact. Relax. This is a discussion forum we are allowed to state our opinion.

[Camiie]

All of the new spells can be obtained in either WoE, HKCNM, of Voidwatch. There are 3 sources per spell already =/.

At no point did I utter the word "new."

[Greatguardian]

Is the supply of existing spells really that much of a concern though? =/ Aside from Raise III, which is really only a matter of no one doing the content. Kirin should be easily doable by any 6 people at 95, considering it was duoable at 90 with well geared players.

[Camiie]

Yeah for some spells it is a concern. Especially the quest only ones.

[Siiri]

I don't see how you can complain about questing for a scroll. It's a quest, do it and enjoy. The sleepga II quest storyline was great, and the pre-reqs for Warp II with the curses foiled a golem, etc were awesome. (May not have it exactly right, not going to wiki it right now.) I think a lot of us black mages would be fine with a series of quests that took a couple weeks over the course of it if Comet was the reward. I think SE missed out designing some lore with Shantotto or something with a spell like comet. I hope Meteor gets a grand quest. That would be awesome. If you did the quest and sold it thinking you would never level the job just farm the gil and buy it. Abyssea is super easy place to make gil.

[Economizer]

I don't see how you can complain about questing for a scroll.

Ever quest Mage's Ballad? There is a difference between an interesting quest that has a lot of walking involved and a pointless grind quest.

Making Meteor questable is a good idea. It is really too bad that we won't see another expansion before this happens, it could be tied into something truly epic. Who knows? Maybe the quest will be epic anyways.

[Greatguardian]

Shantotto is crafting an ultimate spell to destroy the world. Undermine her efforts, and steal the scroll before she has the chance to unleash her fury-wury upon the land.

[Siiri]

Shantotto is crafting an ultimate spell to destroy the world. Undermine her efforts, and steal the scroll before she has the chance to unleash her fury-wury upon the land.

That would be awesome. Hope SE does something like this.

Also, I had forgotten about the bard quests because I have never unlocked the job. You are right though, I have had friends agonizing over gathering the people etc. I imagine it has gotten a lot worse. So I guess I will amend my post to I don't think people should complain over well designed quests. It seems SE has tried a bit on that front, adjusting the taru cards quest for sleepga II so you can get a new set every week or whatever it is.

[Economizer]

Shantotto is crafting an ultimate spell to destroy the world.

The problem with this (aside from that we've all had to stop Shantotto destroy the world every month - she's one of the things that contribute to Vana'diel having to be saved every other day) is that Meteor is already a spell that's been used in the game before, notably, by Shantotto herself.

Ultimately, I'm not opposed to having to farm the thing, but certain things are just more epic when they are quested, like Sleepga II.

[Greatguardian]

Her new spell is Ultima, obviously. You steal the unfinished version before she can finish crafting it! Shantotto is not the kind of taru-waru who would finish creating the ultimate spell and then leave it in her ottoman while she takes a nap!

[Economizer]

Her new spell is Ultima, obviously.

I'm hoping Ultima is a spell that cost 10000 MP to cast and takes 60 minutes to cast. That way it will take at least two mages to cast it. :p

[Kysaiana]

Her new spell is Ultima, obviously. You steal the unfinished version before she can finish crafting it! Shantotto is not the kind of taru-waru who would finish creating the ultimate spell and then leave it in her ottoman while she takes a nap!

More likely she would give you Meteor as a consolation prize for "helping" her. Stealing something from Shantotto can only end in pain. And if the spell wasn't finished I doubt it would be useable.

[Kristal]

More likely she would give you Meteor as a consolation prize for "helping" her. Stealing something from Shantotto can only end in pain. And if the spell wasn't finished I doubt it would be useable.

Last time someone stole a peek at Shantoto, she put a lethal curse on him... and framed you for it!
If you'd actually steal the scroll of Ultima from her, she planned you to be her guinea pig all along. (To study the adverse effects of dimensional magic on the caster, no doubt. Then she reaveals the upgraded Ultima II spell and blasts a bunny to smithereens.)

Seriously, we're talking about a taru who keeps Absolute Virtue as a PET!

[Limecat]

I don't know, I'm fairly sick of Shantotto and the like always getting a win button. I hope that there's eventually a quest where we finally have had enough of Shantotto and Naja's BS and beat them unmerciful with a hickory stick.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Kakka 800k-400k over night, 9 sold yesterday.
Comet, back up to 3m from 2.3m.

[Molech]

I think people are stupid for buying the spells that high, the prices are never going to drop when people are paying 3M and the scrolls are rare enough still that there isn't going to be much flooding on the AH.

Even if I had 80-90M gil to blow I still wouldn't be spending 3M for a spell, retarded, I rather just go farm the damn KCNM or WoE myself.

[Sasaraixx]

Shantotto is crafting an ultimate spell to destroy the world. Undermine her efforts, and steal the scroll before she has the chance to unleash her fury-wury upon the land.

I LOVE Shantotto and this sounds like a terrific idea. Actually, in Dissidia Duodecim she states that she is conducting magical research. She stays in that realm until she completes that research in fact. Perhaps Meteor is that spell!