new blm spells

[katiekat]

anyone find the new blm spells? i am not shocked that you cant get comet from a npc but thunder V and blizerdja?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Either VWNMs or the ne BCNMs.

[Rubicant82]

so far with talking to friends from other servers no one is finding them anywhere. This is very disconcerting to me as I don't think any of the blm/whm spells have been seen. Pinning Noc, was found in a KSBCNM fight so I would assume that those are one source for the spells. but still makes no sense to not have the V , -ja, -ga, on the NPC. Thanks for nothing SE per normal the mages of FFXI get shut out in the dark.

[Tamoa]

Blizzaja is from WoE: http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/60979 (Not my screenshot obviously.)

[Greatguardian]

Comet was confirmed to come from one of the new KCNMs, Antagonistic Ambuscade.

Source: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107055-New-KCNM-Fights?p=4799667&viewfull=1#post4799667

[Zumi]

so far with talking to friends from other servers no one is finding them anywhere. This is very disconcerting to me as I don't think any of the blm/whm spells have been seen. Pinning Noc, was found in a KSBCNM fight so I would assume that those are one source for the spells. but still makes no sense to not have the V , -ja, -ga, on the NPC. Thanks for nothing SE per normal the mages of FFXI get shut out in the dark.

How is this screwing over mages? Just go do some of the new BC fights with some friends I am sure you have plenty of seals if you done any kind of exping. I seen people shout for this stuff too could join one of those. Can't expect everything in the game just to be handed to you with little effort.

[InspectorGadget]

How is this screwing over mages? Just go do some of the new BC fights with some friends I am sure you have plenty of seals if you done any kind of exping. I seen people shout for this stuff too could join one of those. Can't expect everything in the game just to be handed to you with little effort.

If you like to do BCNMs for gil/loot, then more power to you. But the fact is most people don't and BCNMs are a complete waste of time. Let's say you're starting from scratch. Farming 50 Kindred's Crests at a rate of 6-8 per hour solo, that's about 7 HOURS of nonstop farming just to buy the entrance requirement. Also take into the fact that it normally takes another 90mins-2 hours finding 5 others to join your BCNM run. And for what? a 5% chance at getting the spell you need? forget it, its not even worth it. So instead of making it so you can buy the spell off an NPC at a moderate price or being able to farm it solo in a short amount of time just like every other Black Mage spell thats come out since the cap was raised from 75, they make it a huge inconvenience and a timesink.

This has very little to do with effort. Theres a reason why Raise 3 and Utsu Ni has shot up in price over the last couple years, and thats because nobody bothers with BCNMs anymore. Theres plenty of other ways to make gil or worthwhile things to do in your spare time in FFXI.

[Siiri]

It's a bit disconcerting how rare the new spells are right now. Not just black mage spells, Holy II, Curaga V, Absorb-Attri also have made 0 or limited appearance. After walking up to a NPC and buying the last few rounds of spells, people are surprised we are back to the bncms with a 5% drop rate. But oh well, only need to get lucky on them once I guess.

[InspectorGadget]

Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

[Monchat]

If you don't like farming kindred crest then farm gil. Whats the problem? In a few weeks the price of scrolls will have normalized to about 1 million per KCNM drops, just like the previous KCNM drops (calmecac leggings etc). Its a great idea to put them from KCNM, it will make money more usefull. Its not like you have to do the KCNM or WoE to get them, they're not rare/ex. Looks like that blizzaja can drop from conflux 6? did a 6 and 5, nothing worth except coins. conflux 7 and up not unlocked here.


Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

There we go. People who move their ass out of port jeuno to farm them are RMT ? lol.

[Mahoro]

Also, making the scrolls this rare only makes it easy for RMT to come in and manipulate the prices for them on the AH.

Voidwatch drops have been rare and RMT haven't moved in and manipulated those. I doubt any RMT left in the game will have that many KC's/HKC's and trek to Monarch Linn etc. just to manipulate your market.

[Greatguardian]

Man, those Utsusemi: Ni scrolls sure do screw over Ninjas because they come from BCNMs. What about Refresh and Phalanx? Oh dear, I mean, there's no way any mage is ever going to be able to get those without being ripped off by RMT.

[Rearden]

Nice to see some additional winners from Lakshmi show up

[InspectorGadget]

Oh dear, I mean, there's no way any mage is ever going to be able to get those without being ripped off by RMT.


There we go. People who move their ass out of port jeuno to farm them are RMT ? lol.

Wow, you guys dont know how price manipulation works, do you?

Farm them all you want, whats to stop an RMT from buying them all off the auction house and reselling at a higher price? Happens more often that you think.


Voidwatch drops have been rare and RMT haven't moved in and manipulated those.

Voidwatch drops are far from rare, and comparing sidegrade-at-best gear with magic scrolls that are pretty necessary to their respective jobs, and the thousands of mages out there that need it, is pretty laughable.

[Greatguardian]

I know that legit players manipulate the market all the time, and that if you were smart you'd do the same. Crying RMT in this day and age is retarded. You pay what you think the item is worth. If people don't believe an item is worth X amount of gil, then they won't buy it. If people are willing to pay more, of course people are going to increase the price on the market.

The scrolls are vital for their respective jobs. But they're not hard to get, either. You can either be a buyer or a seller. If you think you're getting ripped off by the sellers, then stop being a buyer and go do the KCNM and WoE yourself.

[InspectorGadget]

I know that legit players manipulate the market all the time, and that if you were smart you'd do the same. Crying RMT in this day and age is retarded. You pay what you think the item is worth. If people don't believe an item is worth X amount of gil, then they won't buy it. If people are willing to pay more, of course people are going to increase the price on the market.

The scrolls are vital for their respective jobs. But they're not hard to get, either. You can either be a buyer or a seller. If you think you're getting ripped off by the sellers, then stop being a buyer and go do the KCNM and WoE yourself.

In the end, this is why its such a problem. Instead of waiting around for supply and prices to (hopefully) normalize. They couldve just made the new spells readily available to anyone that wants to pay a set amount to an NPC and be done with it. Up to this point we never had to deal with it, so why now?

[Greatguardian]

In the end, this is why its such a problem. Instead of waiting around for supply and prices to (hopefully) normalize. They couldve just made the new spells readily available to anyone that wants to pay a set amount to an NPC and be done with it. Up to this point we never had to deal with it, so why now?

Have you really never looked at Phalanx, Raise III, Refresh, or Utsusemi: Ni? Plenty of powerful spells come from BCNMs or from (previously) powerful NMs. Scorpion Harnesses and Haubergeons used to be exceedingly rare, too, back when D Ingots and V Claws were really hard to find and only dropped off HNM-tier monsters.

People were pissed off when Abyssea made the game easy. Now the Dev team is normalizing things again, and adding in content that isn't a gimme. People should be overjoyed.

[Michae]

its not so bad that they are dropped from bc fights, I got all my scrolls like refresh, utsu ni and such from the bcnms and its not really that bad. Whats the difference between farming them in aby for a few hrs and go doing bcnms for a few hrs. Meh its nothing to get so worked up over.

[Elexia]

Whats the difference

SE just annoying players for absolutely no reason at all. The spells listed they haven't done in years, it's like expecting them to suddenly throw new cor die into bcnms even though you can buy pretty much..most if not all of them from Nash or Zahbi, that's the thing, it's not the fact it's moved to a BCNM or whatever, it's the fact there was no reason to do as such with basic spell progression. Comet I can understand if it completely changes the job like Phalanx and Refresh did, but it doesn't, it's only a novelty spell in the end which I guess is why they did it.

[Rearden]

So many tears

[Elexia]

So many tears

I honestly haven't seen anyone crying, I've seen more people annoyed than anything.

[Greatguardian]

Annoyed that they actually have to put forth a modicum of effort to get what they want?

Boo. Hoo.

[Elexia]

Annoyed that they actually have to put forth a modicum of effort to get what they want?

Boo. Hoo.

Yep, that's exactly it! :D

Edit: Since you're not the type to pick up on sarcasm, I bet you believe Emps on Chloris path have no reason to complain despite Gun and GSD for example only need 2 NMs to spawn their Item collection NM.

"You have to do extra work for what you want boo hoo"

There's a difference between extra work for what you want than having to do something for no reason other than just to be an annoyance. Why does it take 4-5 NMs to pop Chloris versus 2 to pop Carabosse? Things that like versus "Why could I buy almost all of my other new spells from NPCs or get them very easily then all of a sudden I now have to do "x event"?

If you haven't caught onto SE's pattern by now, you'll easily take anything they do and be happy with it. Sadly, not everyone else feels that way and why XI doesn't have a large player base, not because people would "cry about difficulty" but because a lot of direction for certain things is just..plain to annoy people.

HKC Arenas clearly weren't that popular.

[Rearden]

Chloris is pretty tough

[Greatguardian]

Yep, that's exactly it! :D

Edit: Since you're not the type to pick up on sarcasm, I bet you believe Emps on Chloris path have no reason to complain despite Gun and GSD for example only need 2 NMs to spawn their Item collection NM.

"You have to do extra work for what you want boo hoo"

There's a difference between extra work for what you want than having to do something for no reason other than just to be an annoyance. Why does it take 4-5 NMs to pop Chloris versus 2 to pop Carabosse? Things that like versus "Why could I buy almost all of my other new spells from NPCs or get them very easily then all of a sudden I now have to do "x event"?

If you haven't caught onto SE's pattern by now, you'll easily take anything they do and be happy with it. Sadly, not everyone else feels that way and why XI doesn't have a large player base, not because people would "cry about difficulty" but because a lot of direction for certain things is just..plain to annoy people.

HKC Arenas clearly weren't that popular.

Ironically, I have both Armageddon and Verethragna. I'm not complaining, and I never did. These HKC fights are also stupid amounts of easy. Like, to the point where all I can do is laugh my ass off at the people who are unwilling to even bloody try the fights with a small group of people and see how they go. My buddies and I are spam clearing the HKCNM30s with 3 minute wins with absolutely no difficulty.

If people are seriously so absolutely, positively ingrained with laziness that they won't even bother to get up and try the fights, then they deserve to be stuck paying the crappy AH rate. But by all means, keep it up, because all it means is more gil for me and mine.

[Elexia]

Chloris is pretty tough

I know right?

[Siiri]

What's the approximate rate of the comet drop? I am seeing a lot of 0/6 from groups going. On Bismark no scrolls are up yet for any new blm spells. Has thunder V been found yet?

[MDenham]

Has thunder V been found yet?According to one of Asura's local mouthbreathers, pots in Sky.

[Runespider]

SE just annoying players for absolutely no reason at all. The spells listed they haven't done in years, it's like expecting them to suddenly throw new cor die into bcnms even though you can buy pretty much..most if not all of them from Nash or Zahbi, that's the thing, it's not the fact it's moved to a BCNM or whatever, it's the fact there was no reason to do as such with basic spell progression. Comet I can understand if it completely changes the job like Phalanx and Refresh did, but it doesn't, it's only a novelty spell in the end which I guess is why they did it.

Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

[Vortex]

According to one of Asura's local mouthbreathers, pots in Sky.




I'v fought those for half a day and nothing of value drops off them, of course there is always that low drop rate chance but i'v fought maybe 30 of them and nothing, probably not from them.

[noodles355]

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

[Aver]

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

I have no words to describe the amount of laughter this brought.

[Vivik]

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.

Would rather have me some Gaiters.

[Rearden]

Would rather have me some Gaiters.

idk man, I just 3manned Tia and I had to run all the f'ing way out here to do it. I'm selling these gaiters for 15m. Gouge those BLM!!!!

[Sparthos]

Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

[Mahoro]

Voidwatch drops are far from rare, and comparing sidegrade-at-best gear with magic scrolls that are pretty necessary to their respective jobs, and the thousands of mages out there that need it, is pretty laughable.

Have you seen the total #'s of AH history for stuff like Akupara Shell, Kholomo Hide, Jingang, Tefnut etc, as well as ALL the special headpieces like Cuauhtli, Hyksos etc? They are "rare" relative to other stuff in this game due to drop rate. Certainly rare relative to WoE drops and the like.

Jingang has been pretty popular, and the fact RMT's haven't moved in and started spamming the Tonberry should give an indication. Any number of lucrative gear pieces have been released in the last year (Neo-Dynamis drops for example) but I have yet to see an army of people with keyboard smash names farming the content.

In any event, the new BLM spells have been confirmed to drop from WoE, Voidwatch, AND BCNM, so the moaning will likely cease as more and more scrolls flood the AH.

[Hayward]

I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

[Comment deleted by Moderator]

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

[Mahoro]

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?



As said above, the scrolls have been confirmed to drop from multiple sources. As with all new items, the prices will tank soon enough. Dismissing someone as having BG mentality for suggesting that someone who wants the scrolls early should just go out and DO THE CONTENT from which they drop is overly reductionist, inflammatory, and illogical to boot.

[katiekat]

first off i am not lazy and had you red my question /statement at all you mite had said i don't mind comit being on a
HKNM am mor pissed off that they put thunder V on a HKNM. all the other T V spells can be got off a npc so why not the last one?

am tyerd of people assuming one is lazy just for being anored at sum thing being a pain to get. but then again sum of you saying were lazy are the same that think its 100% cool to have a NM that only 1% of the game can kill so they can lort it over the rest of us how cool they are while they boted a NM.

i don't have a problem with farming spells gear what butters me is when the DEVs do this when its spells that mages will be expected to have and if they don't will be chastised by people that have never leveled the job but "know how to play it"

[Rearden]

2011: You don't have BLM leveled?



That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

The same members of that charming society known as BlueGartr who spout this nonsense about "lazy" players are probably the same folks who have endorsed and used every exploit in the book, past and present, to preserve their "elite" status for the least amount of effort.

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

Reported for discrimination against other forum goers.

[InspectorGadget]

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

The same members of that charming society known as BlueGartr who spout this nonsense about "lazy" players are probably the same folks who have endorsed and used every exploit in the book, past and present, to preserve their "elite" status for the least amount of effort.

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

Pretty much this.

[InspectorGadget]

Have you really never looked at Phalanx, Raise III, Refresh, or Utsusemi: Ni? Plenty of powerful spells come from BCNMs or from (previously) powerful NMs. Scorpion Harnesses and Haubergeons used to be exceedingly rare, too, back when D Ingots and V Claws were really hard to find and only dropped off HNM-tier monsters.

People were pissed off when Abyssea made the game easy. Now the Dev team is normalizing things again, and adding in content that isn't a gimme. People should be overjoyed.

Yeah, and who was controlling that market in that area? the RMTs. I'm sure people are glad that they dont have to spend RL money to obtain decent gear in this game anymore.

If people were pissed that Abyssea made the game "too easy", guess what, they can quit the game too. As another person stated in that other blm spell thread, nobodys gonna miss em.

[Tamoa]

Katie, I don't think anyone called you lazy for simply asking if people have found out where/how to get the new spells. It's more directed at those who immediately start whining when it turns out the scrolls aren't buyable from npcs.

As for the scroll of ThunderV sold on Asura, that looks like a mule. Quite possibly someone who's trying to push the price way up from start. The scrolls will sell for however much people are willing to pay for them. Can't blame the seller only, it's just as much the buyer's fault when something is priced ridiculously high and still sells.

The negative attitude is astounding though - Can't do those BC fights. Don't have friends to do them with. Shout groups always fail. Can't do WoE. Don't have anyone to go with. Don't want to do those BC fights. Don't want to do WoE. Will never be able to afford the scrolls off the AH. Can't even make gil to be able to afford those scrolls from the AH.

With that kind of attitude towards it, then no, you will never get those spells.

[InspectorGadget]

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the irony in this post is delicious.

[Greatguardian]

Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

If someone is willing to pay 8M for a scroll, someone will sell it for 8M. If someone is not, they will have to lower their price. Capitalism 101.

Even you could probably beat these HKCNMs, Hayward. They're that easy.

[Rearden]

the irony in this post is delicious.

So were the free Nids/Cerbs/Khims

[InspectorGadget]

So were the free Nids/Cerbs/Khims

ok buddy, whatever you say (lol)

[katiekat]

oh OK it just came across as saying i was lazy. i just don't have the time i once did to play and so i like how can be dun now with Les time. i hope it doesn't go to far down the old rode

[Tamoa]

Apparently, Comet also drops from WoE: http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/61007 (Again, not my screenshot.)

[Luvbunny]

Look, I don't mind that we have to go do the BCNM for these spells, all I want is to have the npc warp you DIRECT to the bcnm area so you do not have to waste 20 mnts or longer to get there. And give us warp scroll after you complete one so we can repeat this over and over till we run out of seals. Also if they can raise the drop rate to 20% instead of 5%. This way people still have to make an effort if they want these spells but it is not a retarded grind where you get mostly nothing for almost 95% of the time. The old ways need to DIE and GO AWAY for GOOD!!!

[MDenham]

Look, I don't mind that we have to go do the BCNM for these spells, all I want is to have the npc warp you DIRECT to the bcnm area so you do not have to waste 20 mnts or longer to get there. And give us warp scroll after you complete one so we can repeat this over and over till we run out of seals. Also if they can raise the drop rate to 20% instead of 5%.And while we're at it, I want a pony, delivered straight to my Mog House.

[Luvbunny]

Yes, give me a pony and gazilion gills while we are at it. There is nothing wrong in cutting the amount of backtracking you have to do to get to the bcnm. And raising the drop rate to a reasonable level - so that more people will do it, and there wont be any excuse for them to not do it.

Most of the posters here do not like the idea of bcnm, I am merely suggesting some ideas to make it less annoying and bring down the barriers so that more people will be incline to do it.

[MDenham]

I don't have any problem with offering a warp to the BCNM entrance - if you can prove you've made it there once. (Scrolls of Instant Warp can be readily obtained in Port Jeuno already, so those don't need to be handed out with the orb or as part of the drops. And raising the drop rate... eh, we don't know what the drop rates actually are yet due to lack of sample size.)

As far as "how do you prove you've been there" - I seem to recall one of the minor annoyances being that you can't distinguish between a new orb and a used one. Add in "Cracked Orb (zone name)" items to the game. You trade your orb to the BC, you get the Cracked Orb in exchange. You head back to Shami, trade him the Cracked Orb, and now you get your teleports out to that BC zone... for a minor fee (any one seal seems appropriate considering that he thinks we're all suckers for giving up the seals).

[Sevvy]

Thus another annoying thread about S-E screwing over everyone because BCNMs are random etc etc. Guess what, thats an element to the game; an element that I like. This game has become too Care Bear as of late making everything easier. I for one wish it would go back to the haydays of difficulty such as traversing The Garden of Ru'Hemet the first time and such. Just suck it up, go leech your crap in Abyssea and collect seals and do your BCNMs/KCNMs/WoE/whatever else you want to do.

[Twille]

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

I'd like to echo this statement. This game pre-Abyssea was a joke. Insane amounts of time and work for very little reward. Abyssea allowed more casual players to work towards a goal and achieve that goal without extreme amounts of time involved.
The old way wasn't working, FFXI subscription numbers prove that. I really hope they don't take things backwards to pre-Abyssea mind sets....

[Sparthos]

[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

[Comment deleted by Moderator]

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

Ad hominem some more.

It's been a whole two days since the patch and you're flailing about because the scrolls arent on an NPC for a low price. Classic whining if I ever saw it.

Like I said before, the prices will crater when people discover the sources, exploit the sources for other treasure and get BLM/BRD/NIN/DRK and WHM scrolls as a byproduct. Before you know it, the scrolls drop from millions to just a couple hundred K or less. It's like Christmas magic or something.

If you want the scrolls so bad, I suggest exploiting those sources or sitting back and waiting. Only suckers buy new items post-patch and anyone who has played XI for any period of time knows that those prices will even off when the initial hype dies off.

For someone who claims to champion the cause of casuals, you're pretty dense regarding the potential for the "layman" to make millions off an idiotic rich player willing to pay a king's ransom to epeen the first sale of a new item.

Post-patch has always been the best time for casual players to rake in tons of cash with little effort so I fail to see your connection between these scrolls and BG. You're seriously drifting towards tinfoil hat territory.

Unless you're calling all casual players lazy sods with no friends or resources to beat KCNMs. That'd be quite a stretch on your part, wouldn't it?

[katiekat]

having played this game sins it came in NA i can truthfully say i like the game better now then pre-abyssea

but theirs always going to be that small and really loud troop that clamor for this game to be super hard and a huge time sink because in there warped way of seeing things it makes them cool and better for liking to spend 12+hrs camping a NM's .

[InspectorGadget]

I'm taking the whole sit back and wait for the scrolls to drop in price approach to it, theres only 4 new spells, one of which isn't much of a priority, given how useless Break is. Its not like I don't have 13 other jobs I can play.