Jobs on strange Equipment

[Urteil]

Serious peculiarities I am hoping the Developers can answer.


Please post your job specific inquiries and maybe we'll get an answer from Camate etc.


I'll start:

Why is DRK on shields?

It has no shield skill.

[Arcon]

BLU on throwing weapons.

[Xellith]

because sometimes they go m.kris/shield or maybe its ridill/shield or maybe its just to use an axe/shield...

You didn't think about this did ya? o.O

[Urteil]

because sometimes they go m.kris/shield or maybe its ridill/shield or maybe its just to use an axe/shield...

You didn't think about this did ya? o.O

Dear God. dddddd

[Modoru]

Unfathomable, but possible.

[Kimble]

Having an HP shield was nice back in the days of KC zerg.

SAM is on shields as well and dont have any natural skill like DRK.

[Crocker]

Stuff like Ungur Boomerang its THF/NIN but it has 8mp on it.
or better yet Gaudy Harness under 49 mp you get refresh on brd/bst and those jobs don't have any MP or castable spells on their own.
Many more pieces of armor has stats like this as well and would love to know what they were thinking (or smoking) like giving bst so many hand to hand weapons but no skill in it at all.

[MDenham]

BLU on throwing weapons.PUP on throwing weapons.

[Nvr]

Having an HP shield was nice back in the days of KC zerg.

SAM is on shields as well and dont have any natural skill like DRK.

Drk does not have natural shield skill as far as I know.

[Kimble]

Worked that wrong, but I meant SAM doesnt have any natural skill like DRK doesnt either.

[Vortex]

Roundal earring being equipable by DRG and PUP, jobs that have NO healing spells whatsoever. not even enough to support it. yet SCH is missing on it.. as well as BRD who can actualyl GET a good use out of it depending on sub and gear but is also not on it.


riddle me this.

[Rexen]

or better yet Gaudy Harness under 49 mp you get refresh on brd/bst and those jobs don't have any MP or castable spells on their own.
That's just above the cost of a Cure III spell, and both jobs sub White Mage at that level. It's an extremly good piece of armor imo and logical to have the latent refresh on it.


PUP on throwing weapons.
Well at least they have the skill.... yeah it makes no more sense. Blue Mage's Job Specfic weapon is a discus from the ENM which makes no sense when they have no skill...

[Harukusan]

pup on anything... particularly below 75... why do pups get magey type gear rather than anything that would actually boost it's melee capabilities in any way? at least I have gear waiting for it at 90...

[Elexia]

pup on anything... particularly below 75... why do pups get magey type gear rather than anything that would actually boost it's melee capabilities in any way? at least I have gear waiting for it at 90...

PUP was originally Necromancer, which was a mage class.

@DRK on shield:

It's obvious.

@In General:

Why is it jobs that can benefit from something, especially if its their main form of some way of providing to a party either through cures or what have you are never on the gear it could use? For example, DNC could benefit from Homam..quite a bit back before the cap raise and the "gear in mind for DNC and SCH" never came to fruition.

[Harukusan]

PUP was not released as a Necromancer. It was released as a Puppetmaster. Do you not see the flaw in that argument? lol

[Quetzacoatl]

BLM, BRD, SMN, and SCH on RUNE CHOPPER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE)

[Elexia]

PUP was not released as a Necromancer. It was released as a Puppetmaster. Do you not see the flaw in that argument? lol

You may want to reread it:


PUP was originally Necromancer, which was a mage class.

Before it was released as PUP, it was being designed as Necromancer, which was a mage class. Their excuse for not using it was "undead out in the day/power scaling during x,y,z hours". The way they seem to have set jobs is with select pieces, all jobs are just thrown in a bracket of armor types, so they'd have to go back and redo PUP's armor selection which would have delayed ToAU, besides the focus is your automation and it suffers the same fate almost all jobs does lower levels anyway.

PUP has some good pieces thrown around through the levels, it can even wear Usu gear.

[Harukusan]

Well yeah 75 and up it's got a much wider selection of useful gear to enhance the player. The puppet itself is not the issue as you can beef it up early on by simply buying all the attachments. Honestly it would have been better to just go with the release of Necromancer as 'originally intended' rather than changing the job at the last minute and maintaining the same line of useless equipment. I'm aware jobs utilize armor based on their type and not their potential usefulness toward one's capabilities. I don't need any logical reasoning. The fact still remains. It just sucks.

[Neisan_Quetz]

How did everyone miss Rdm and Pld on Destroyers.

[SpankWustler]

BLM, BRD, SMN, and SCH on RUNE CHOPPER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE)

The more educated jobs are able to equip the axe so they can enjoy reading the runes on it, obviously.

[Arcon]

PUP was originally Necromancer, which was a mage class.

Did they say that? It must have been quite early in the conception stage, because Puppetmaster (as puppetmaster) is a recurring core element to much of Whitegate's storyline. I find it hard to believe that they made skill adjustments before they even knew what kind of class they would be.


@DRK on shield:

It's obvious.

No? It has its uses, but I doubt extremely that the dev team intended for any of them.

[Neisan_Quetz]

To be exact, people asked for necromancer but SE said it wasn't possible. Puppetmaster was possible however.

[Zatias]

It's obvious DRK can wear shields because we can wear them with a 2handed weapon.

[Bulrogg]

DRK/pld or DRK/rdm w/ sword + shield is maybe what they had intended if for, but I don't see it as being as useful as it may have been in the past.

[Ank]

so they'd have to go back and redo PUP's armor selection which would have delayed ToAU,

So they had time to create an entirely different job, without mp, that has its own mechanics, a pet with its own inventory, a whole host of items created solely for the puppet, as well as center the storyline around a puppetmaster, numerous quests involving puppets and puppetmasters, and putting pup on usukane was all within time constraints, but realizing a dd with no mp shouldn't wear mage gear and changing its equipment over would have delayed the expansion?

[Helel]

Along the same lines as PUP with throwing weapons, why the hell does RNG have access to ammo pieces (like the double attack ammo piece added in the last update)? I think that's even more beyond retardo considering RNG is pretty much unplayable without a ranged weapon... At least PUP can function with a throwing weapon equipped, albeit lower function than normal.

[Zatias]

WHM can wear the Trainee GA, Sword and Katana. Those are bladed weapons which are prohibited!

[Crimson_Slasher]

Rdm on a large chunk of hand to hand weapons. Though at 20 i did love /mnk and combo + enspell.

[Shiyo]

RDM not being on searing cape yet pup and SMN being on it.(This also destroys your argument of "necromancer lololol").

WAR PLD(kind of makes sense) DRK BST RNG SAM DRG being on stone mufflers, yet WHM or SCH which get stoneskin natively and are MAGE jobs not on them.

[Byrth]

RDM on H2H and DRK on Bows (no Archery)

Everything about Airy Buckler

[Elexia]

Rdm on a large chunk of hand to hand weapons. Though at 20 i did love /mnk and combo + enspell.

I found this funny back in 2002/2003, but we also had marksmanship skill.

[Frost]

Ranger Relic pants:

Scout's Braccae: (Rare.Ex)
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 32 HP +18 Ranged Accuracy +7
Parrying skill +10 Enmity -2
Lv. 72 RNG

Ranger has 0 native parry skill...

[Legomike]

RDM on Torama set but not Coeurl
PUP on Demonry Core

[Kimble]

PUP actually was first suppose to be Necromancer. It was what they wanted to add but with the way the day night thing worked and undead only suppose to be out at night time outside, they decided to change the job to Puppetmaster.

This was talked about when a little after the announced PUP as the last job that was being added to ToAU.

1UP: The Blue Mages are something that fans have wanted for a long time based on their presence in the history of Final Fantasy. The Corsairs were a bit of a surprise, but the Puppetmaster was a really big surprise since there was never a precedent for such a job in Final Fantasy lore. How did you decide to create the Puppetmaster job class?

KO: In the beginning when we were thinking of new jobs, we were first thinking of a Necromancer type of job, where the job would be able to raise the undead. However, we couldn't have undeads running around in the morning and that would weaken the class, because they'd only be able to work at night. So from there we tried to think of something where the player would be able to use a puppet type of...slave if you will, at all times of day, and that's how we got to Puppetmaster.

http://www.1up.com/previews/ffxi-treasures?pager.offset=4

[Harukusan]

PUP actually was first suppose to be Necromancer. It was what they wanted to add but with the way the day night thing worked and undead only suppose to be out at night time outside, they decided to change the job to Puppetmaster.

This was talked about when a little after the announced PUP as the last job that was being added to ToAU.

1UP: The Blue Mages are something that fans have wanted for a long time based on their presence in the history of Final Fantasy. The Corsairs were a bit of a surprise, but the Puppetmaster was a really big surprise since there was never a precedent for such a job in Final Fantasy lore. How did you decide to create the Puppetmaster job class?

KO: In the beginning when we were thinking of new jobs, we were first thinking of a Necromancer type of job, where the job would be able to raise the undead. However, we couldn't have undeads running around in the morning and that would weaken the class, because they'd only be able to work at night. So from there we tried to think of something where the player would be able to use a puppet type of...slave if you will, at all times of day, and that's how we got to Puppetmaster.

http://www.1up.com/previews/ffxi-treasures?pager.offset=4

This in no way suggests that they were ever actually in development of the Necromancer class for the ToAU release. The Necromancer argument is still not viable as to why PUP was given the gear it has for a huge chunk of its leveling process. Even up to 90 there are still so many questionable choices for equip for this job. It's not as if this armor enhances the puppets in any way. So why does it have such useless armor available to throw time/money away on when it could be completely naked (barring animator) and achieve the same thing, up to a point?

[MDenham]

RDM on Torama set but not CoeurlThat set deserves its own thread, because it looks like either a mistake on its own or that there were plans to make multiple sets of gear that gained additional jobs on the HQ versions.

[Camiie]

PUP is on Hope Staff but not Faith Baghnakhs.

Not that they'd really want to mess with virtue stones anyway but still....

[Daniel_Hatcher]

RDM not being on searing cape yet pup and SMN being on it.(This also destroys your argument of "necromancer lololol").

WAR PLD(kind of makes sense) DRK BST RNG SAM DRG being on stone mufflers, yet WHM or SCH which get stoneskin natively and are MAGE jobs not on them.

SCH only got native stoneskin recently.... though I'll give you WHM.

[Kristal]

So they had time to create an entirely different job, without mp, that has its own mechanics, a pet with its own inventory, a whole host of items created solely for the puppet, as well as center the storyline around a puppetmaster, numerous quests involving puppets and puppetmasters, and putting pup on usukane was all within time constraints, but realizing a dd with no mp shouldn't wear mage gear and changing its equipment over would have delayed the expansion?

Keep in mind that that was all added LATER. In the beginning, PUP had something like a C- H2H skill, the only automaton was harlequin with even crummier stats, few attachments, no decent gear, no quests (other then unlocking), etc. All you could wear was basic statless mage armor.

The decision to axe Necromancer came at a time when removing the job was no longer a feasable option, so they whipped up a quick fix in the form of Puppetmaster. That the job was incomplete didn't matter, because the devs involved were still miffed about Necromancer being cancelled, and that has seen it's effect even up to today. Only when devs were starting to be reassigned to work on other projects (like FFXIV) and newer/other devs took over, did the situation for PUP improve. And even then the 'scars of a troubled past' still come back to haunt us today when you see ammo items with pet stats or the odd gear (such as Anhur Robe.) Or the new Cooldown ability that's so 'powerfull' it needs to be lvl 95, yet might see use once every month. Serverwide.

[Orenwald]

PUP was loaded with mage gear and not melee gear pre-75 beacuse they were afraid it would be Over Powered if it had good melee gear. They were terribly wrong, but that was the idea.

[Hayward]

I know it's background and all (from FFXIclopedia), but Hocho has always struck me odd as the only crafting skill item limited to one job (Ninja).

[Visari]

Stuff like Ungur Boomerang its THF/NIN but it has 8mp on it.
or better yet Gaudy Harness under 49 mp you get refresh on brd/bst and those jobs don't have any MP or castable spells on their own.
Many more pieces of armor has stats like this as well and would love to know what they were thinking (or smoking) like giving bst so many hand to hand weapons but no skill in it at all.


BST/NIN equipped with gaudy and 2 rune axes was a beautiful thing, only needed 1mp for the regen to proc so you got 10hp/tic (5hp per axe) and shadows.

[StingRay104]

DRK has the highest GS skill in game and not allowed to use Mercurial GS.

Also +++++++++ to anyone who brought up mage gear on PUP which is still happening today (see last update).

Finally why does DRG get access to joytoy but not hauby.

[Arcon]

PUP actually was first suppose to be Necromancer.


1UP: The Blue Mages are something that fans have wanted for a long time based on their presence in the history of Final Fantasy. The Corsairs were a bit of a surprise, but the Puppetmaster was a really big surprise since there was never a precedent for such a job in Final Fantasy lore. How did you decide to create the Puppetmaster job class?

KO: In the beginning when we were thinking of new jobs, we were first thinking of a Necromancer type of job, where the job would be able to raise the undead. However, we couldn't have undeads running around in the morning and that would weaken the class, because they'd only be able to work at night. So from there we tried to think of something where the player would be able to use a puppet type of...slave if you will, at all times of day, and that's how we got to Puppetmaster. [/I]

http://www.1up.com/previews/ffxi-treasures?pager.offset=4

These two things contradict each other.


The decision to axe Necromancer came at a time when removing the job was no longer a feasable option, so they whipped up a quick fix in the form of Puppetmaster.

First time I'm hearing this. Any evidence for that? I've already explained why this seems horribly implausible (as have others).

[Kensagaku]

Annoyance but not really a big deal: BLUs getting club skill but getting crap for clubs. True Strike, man, gotta get those auto-crits! But really, why give us a skill we can hardly use? So I can bring out my Shellbuster for the occasional proc?

Half the jobs on Avalon Breastplate? That's a lot of non-heavy-armor jobs using a breastplate. ._. MNK, THF, BRD, DNC, PUP, RNG... yet a lot of heavy-armor jobs can't use it.

No hauby on DRG when it could use most heavy armors made me mayad in the past too. >.>

[InfiniteKarma]

@Arcon
I'm not grasping how that is contradicting in any way can you please show us or at least dumb it down for me because to me it seems like hes agreeing and in the 2rd quote 1st paragraph 1up is asking questions to KO.

As for last quote seems like a opinion which is understandable if they could not fix necromancer and they were halfway into or too deep where they had to switch the jobs completely before release and could not go through the armor/weapon selection in time. I could see that happening as for proof sounds like a impossible task to ask but if he has some awesome.

Which if anything his opinion would no longer be a opinion considering that if you look at the website they did say they scraped the idea when they found out as soon as they figured out necromancer just could not work for them. assuming that gear was already setup does not need proof because the proof follows under the fact they had necromancer in mind when building it.

[Arcon]

@Arcon
I'm not grasping how that is contradicting in any way can you please show us or at least dumb it down for me because to me it seems like hes agreeing and in the 2rd quote 1st paragraph 1up is asking questions to KO.

As for last quote seems like a opinion which is understandable if they could not fix necromancer and they were halfway into or too deep where they had to switch the jobs completely before release and could not go through the armor/weapon selection in time. I could see that happening as for proof sounds like a impossible task to ask but if he has some awesome.

They say in the interview that they were thinking about something Necromancer-like, but figured out that they couldn't implement it for lore-related issues (although they seem to be ignoring the fact that undead are out in broad daylight in the Northlands, I'm sure they could have come up with an excuse for Necromancers to have them out as well). That means that PUP was not originally Necromancer and changed midway through development, like people here seem to think. It means that they had an idea for Necromancer, but scrapped it while figuring out the job details. So the pet idea was taken from Necromancer, but the rest was rethought, and PUP was born. Meaning when they got to the point of printing job labels on equipment, nothing of Necromancer was left.

And again, I wanna mention the extensive Aht Urhgan lore, which features puppetmasters in their current form heavily. That means, that by the time they got to write the story, PUP was already in its current form. And the PUP system is completely new, like BLU as well, meaning they put a lot of thought into it. The fact that it features equipment alone distinguishes it from Necromancer, unless you keep pet undead which you have permanent equipment for.

Saying that the dev team is miffed about axing Necromancer (something that didn't even technically happen, from what we know) is a groundless assumption. The fact that they screw up on job implementation is no indication for this either, since they do that on every job. PUP just got unluckier.

Edit:

Which if anything his opinion would no longer be a opinion considering that if you look at the website they did say they scraped the idea when they found out as soon as they figured out necromancer just could not work for them. assuming that gear was already setup does not need proof because the proof follows under the fact they had necromancer in mind when building it.

That is also a groundless assumption, and a weird one in that. Why would they have Necromancer in mind when building it, when they know they were not building Necromancer? I don't think the dev team is quite that naive. Or spiteful, for that matter. "We didn't get to make a Necromancer, now we're gonna do one in disguise, pah!"

[Lushipur]

pus/sch. that's all folks.

[Soranika]

SMN with dagger skills...

[Kensagaku]

SMN with dagger skills...

Ritual dagger for their summoning? D:

[Hayward]

Ritual dagger for their summoning? D:

Other than the off chance of using Energy Steal/Drain for MP in lieu of Spirit Taker, which I can't explain at all, I have no line of reasoning for Summoners having Dagger skill.

Do Black Mages even have Dagger skill, much less any reason to use them?

[Zagen]

As to the whole PUP on mage gear I took it as SE didn't intent PUP to be a front-line job but more of a supporter with /WHM or /SCH.


And again, I wanna mention the extensive Aht Urhgan lore, which features puppetmasters in their current form heavily
Playing devil's advocate: How much of that lore wouldn't easily work replacing Puppetmaster with Necromancer?


Do Black Mages even have Dagger skill, much less any reason to use them?

Higher Skill than SMN, and well stabby stabby good times?

[Jandel]

BLM on sword!!!

[StingRay104]

I just want to point out that equipment is the last thing a dev team is gonna focus on if they are creating a new job, and therefore even if they had started necromancer and stopped halfway thru to change it to PUP (which I think its very obvious that they didn't, however if you have evidence please present.) there wouldn't have been any asigned armor at that time so the PUP was supposed to be necromancer concept loses all grounds on that. Also level 90 armor last update saw some new pieces of gear, and the mage set has PUP listed on it still, not to mention since Toau was released new gear kept coming out and all we got was mage gear til af3. I just want to know, and I want to hear it straight from the dev teams mouths, why does PUP get mage gear period.

On another related topic smns and blms with dagger skill doesn't sound that silly. A dagger or small knife is a pretty basic weapon and since smn and blm have no combat expertise I can see it being viable, now if they made an incredibly awesome dagger with great skills for blm and smn and they couldn't use it then I'd be complaining.

Finally, why is Ukonvasara the greatest Gaxe when its actually a hammer? Serious redesign please.

[InfiniteKarma]

They say in the interview that they were thinking about something Necromancer-like, but figured out that they couldn't implement it for lore-related issues (although they seem to be ignoring the fact that undead are out in broad daylight in the Northlands, I'm sure they could have come up with an excuse for Necromancers to have them out as well). That means that PUP was not originally Necromancer and changed midway through development, like people here seem to think. It means that they had an idea for Necromancer, but scrapped it while figuring out the job details. So the pet idea was taken from Necromancer, but the rest was rethought, and PUP was born. Meaning when they got to the point of printing job labels on equipment, nothing of Necromancer was left.

And again, I wanna mention the extensive Aht Urhgan lore, which features puppetmasters in their current form heavily. That means, that by the time they got to write the story, PUP was already in its current form. And the PUP system is completely new, like BLU as well, meaning they put a lot of thought into it. The fact that it features equipment alone distinguishes it from Necromancer, unless you keep pet undead which you have permanent equipment for.

Saying that the dev team is miffed about axing Necromancer (something that didn't even technically happen, from what we know) is a groundless assumption. The fact that they screw up on job implementation is no indication for this either, since they do that on every job. PUP just got unluckier.

Edit:


That is also a groundless assumption, and a weird one in that. Why would they have Necromancer in mind when building it, when they know they were not building Necromancer? I don't think the dev team is quite that naive. Or spiteful, for that matter. "We didn't get to make a Necromancer, now we're gonna do one in disguise, pah!"

Would not surprise me though lol. In any case thank you

[HimuraKenshyn]

Find and replace :P

[Economizer]

Do Black Mages even have Dagger skill, much less any reason to use them?

Merit Dagger (next update this shouldn't be necessary) and sub Red Mage and you can do Aeolian Edge, which might be a good farm option on mobs that silence you and resist the darkness damage from Cataclysm (Staff and something like /WHM).

Actually, every job except Blue Mage and White Mage gets Dagger skill, so it isn't so strange, even if its about flavor (being able to use a simple weapon). Before anyone calls White Mages incompetent for not being able to use a Dagger (hey, White Mage doesn't use pointy weapons, its uh, part of curing?), I'd like to point out that unlike SOME jobs, White Mages can at least throw a Pebble.


Annoyance but not really a big deal: BLUs getting club skill but getting crap for clubs. True Strike, man, gotta get those auto-crits! But really, why give us a skill we can hardly use? So I can bring out my Shellbuster for the occasional proc?

Every job can use a club. Although BLU should probably be on some of the generic WAR/PLD/WHM ones, considering...

I think the bigger question is, why can't BLU use Dagger, or why don't they have throwing skill?

[Nebo]

The dev team has responded to the question: "Why is X job on Y armor when they clearly have no use for it?"

I'll have to look up the link to this particular response, but their response to PUP getting mage gear was along the lines of: "PUP is a job that wears light cloth armor, so that is the type of stuff that PUP is able to equip."

What this says to me is that the actual stats on various armor types are not the determining factor regarding whether or not a job can wear them. But rather, how a specific armor type (cloth, leather, heavy plate, etc) fits into the lore of the job.

[Ophannus]

Would explain why DRG could only use leather/scale and other light armor for several years. Used to make me so angry that we couldn't AT LEAST use chain but NIN could. People used to argue "well DRGs need to use light armor so they can be quick and agile and Jump high". Obviously these people were idiots because NIN could use heavier armor than DRGs yet still had higher base AGI and evasion skill than DRG. I never got why a far-eastern Ninja was more qualified to wear ROYAL KNIGHT CHAINMAIL than Dragoon, a Royal Knight of San'dOria. Also weight has nothing to do with jumping. If you jump 100 feet and you weight 150 lbs the damage you exert or energy you release is the same as if you jumped half that height with double the weight on.

[Kimble]

Who is to say that the story we have now for Aht Urgan was the original story they had written? Scripts for movies are always being re-written. Why would it be any different for video games?

The could have also created the jobs first, THEN wrote a story later to fit around the jobs they made in final development.

[Elexia]

Who is to say that the story we have now for Aht Urgan was the original story they had written? Scripts for movies are always being re-written. Why would it be any different for video games?.

Funny enough anyone who knew anything about game design would know a game could change quite a lot more than a movie script would.

Even if you have a concept you're happy with, you could always end up scrapping it near completion and redoing it, the main reason for this is usually engine updates or a new engine that can handle what you want better. This is why games take multiple years to produce unless they're reusing assets from a previous title (e.g DA2 used pretty much every asset from DA.)

Hell if you look at Blue mage NPCs in ToAU areas, notice they don't have the AF hands or shoes. Things change during development. The excuse for not having necromancer was still a cop out though, but it's not the first time SE ignored what they've done to make or excuse an addition to the game. Pretty much every thing we've gotten the pass year was excused (more inv, addon type of updates, level cap raising etc.)

[Dallas]

I think SMN was the second job to cap cure potency, I am not sure SCH or RDM ever did.

[Reaux]

Crazy thought. Sub jobs. DRK is on shield because if you equip /WAR you get some shield activation while using a sword, and bonuses from both.

Roundel Earring for DRG/PUP is easy. Subbing WHM or DNC for any reason. DRG do it a lot for solo and a PUP can /DNC in party to help cure without sacrificing the automaton and using the WHM frame, same works for PUP solo.

I see more and more that people forget you can combine gear/jobs in varying ways to get different effects. I see this especially with veteran players as they have let the playerbase ingrain certain play styles into them that they refuse to even try something different. I don't know how many times pre-aby a party wouldn't invite a RDM if they didn't come /WHM or how every THF not /NIN was even more ignored than the ones with /NIN.

[SNK]

Stuff like Ungur Boomerang its THF/NIN but it has 8mp on it.
or better yet Gaudy Harness under 49 mp you get refresh on brd/bst and those jobs don't have any MP or castable spells on their own.

Gonna call you out on this one. The harness back when I leveled my BST from 50 to 75 was a god send for /whm solo. The Auto-Refresh killed a ton of downtime and made it possible that I'd always be able to drop a Cure III on myself in a pinch along with any Na spells I needed without having to rest near as often as I wanted to. Some of the JSE bodys were garbage but when they made that thing, it was worth the time I spent farming the damn thing.


Also here's something that made me roll my eyes. We all knew by the time ToAU came out with the new jobs being BLU PUP and COR but while COR & BLU got access to crimson gear which was pretty neat, I never understood why BLUs were not allowed to use their trademark curved blades from Sky and Fafnir being of course Seiryu's Sword and Ridill. Now you can say that they thought Ridill would overpower the job but honestly at that time, Ridill was already on the downslide from being the end all be all of swords a DD would desire.

Hell I hardly even use my Ridill anymore myself but it's nice to mess around with. Seiryu's Sword would have been an amazing weapon for BLU and them not being able to equip it was pure BS imo.

Kraken Club I noticed also isn't equippable by the newer jobs either... Ok Se. >_>

[Rohypnol]

RDM can't wear Lynx Mantle but can wear Lynx Mantle +1.

[xbobx]

The dev team has responded to the question: "Why is X job on Y armor when they clearly have no use for it?"

I'll have to look up the link to this particular response, but their response to PUP getting mage gear was along the lines of: "PUP is a job that wears light cloth armor, so that is the type of stuff that PUP is able to equip."

What this says to me is that the actual stats on various armor types are not the determining factor regarding whether or not a job can wear them. But rather, how a specific armor type (cloth, leather, heavy plate, etc) fits into the lore of the job.

This is exactly what they said, but I wouldn't say it was more to do with lore but laziness. They just spewed pup across a set group of equipment at the beginning. It was only till they started really adding pet specific gear that pup started to see some real DD gear.

[Anethia]

Genbu's shield anyone?

Whm, blm, rdm, smn, blu, sch and brd? None of these jobs gets any kind of decent shield skill and yet the one job that actually specializes in using shield (pld) can't use it? This one never made any sense to me.

[Elexia]

Genbu's shield anyone?

Whm, blm, rdm, smn, blu, sch and brd? None of these jobs gets any kind of decent shield skill and yet the one job that actually specializes in using shield (pld) can't use it? This one never made any sense to me.


Heh I sorta get why it was done this way (giving mage a decent shield back then) but -10% pdt would have been pretty useless to a PLD given that when a shield proc'd back then it completely negated all damage, so the fact they had low shield skill and proc rate, means the -10% mitigation was more helpful for the mages than a PLD.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Serious peculiarities I am hoping the Developers can answer.


Please post your job specific inquiries and maybe we'll get an answer from Camate etc.


I'll start:

Why is DRK on shields?

It has no shield skill.You mean DRK on Twilight Cloak... GTFO DRK, you don't belong here.

[Zatias]

You mean DRK on Twilight Cloak...

Impact costs 666 MP.

[Urteil]

You mean DRK on Twilight Cloak... GTFO DRK, you don't belong here.

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[Economizer]

You mean DRK on Twilight Cloak... GTFO DRK, you don't belong here.

I would assume that Dark Knight would be on the Twilight Cloak because like RDM, SCH, and BLM, Dark Knights can cast Elemental Magic.

But why is SMN or WHM on the cloak then? Neither one can cast elemental magic natively. I guess for /SCH?

[Kensagaku]

Duh on SMN... you've got so much extra MP lying around you just go Dark Arts -> Impact for some extra "I'm bored as hell!" damage.

[Dallas]

It's also the only shot at azure light SMN get

[Ank]

They gotta use their eradico mitts somehow!

[Kensagaku]

It's also the only shot at azure light SMN get

Not true, I azure'd Ironclad Executioner with Stone II! (Doubt I'll ever do it again though!)

[Modoru]

DRK gets Impact because 666 is xXDRKXx number, yo.

:l

[Fryloc]

As far as DRK on shields goes, it's a throwback to FF3, back when a DRK used swords and shields. They also used WHM spells like a PLD did. The translation of the Japanese name for DRK job was "Demon Fencer" or "Magical Fencer".

[Harukusan]

Impact is not designed for dealing heavy damage, it's a utility spell which is the purpose most of DRK's magic serves (absorbs, drain, aspir, spikes etc). To me it makes sense, but it's still retarded nonetheless due primarily to the fact the stats down does not last long, and 666 mp, despite the theme of it, is still a ridiculous amount of mp to be throwing away for such a menial purpose. I'd rather all elemental magic on DRK to be set to 666 mp with a long casting time because no one uses it anyway.

[Byrth]

Stat down lasts 3 minutes if unresisted.

[RabidSquirrel]

While it doesn't have anything to do with strange jobs on certain equipment, I think SE's biggest fail of all time comes in the form of possible augments found on a gleaming spear. If the wiki is correct, there's a chance for it to have +2 shield skill.

Shield skill on a polearm, ladies and gentlemen.

[Byrth]

99% sure that's someone's messup. Versa Mufflers (augmented item from the same zone) can get Shield Skill on them.

[Soulrunner]

99% of pup equippable Capes, when I leveled pup it was a daily /rage issue for me that I went 1-85 with no sensible back equipment, seriously SE put a guy on that just let him spend all his time between updates going through gear eliminating extraneous jobs from their lists, updating stats, and maybe change the appearance of most if not all the gear below 75.

[Economizer]

99% of pup equippable Capes, when I leveled pup it was a daily /rage issue for me that I went 1-85 with no sensible back equipment, seriously SE put a guy on that just let him spend all his time between updates going through gear eliminating extraneous jobs from their lists, updating stats, and maybe change the appearance of most if not all the gear below 75.

I really don't know how removing PUP from capes would help if you don't really have a cape. At least some stats help subjobs and cooldowns.

Of course, a quick and easy solution (that would make every White Mage that likes to cause blunt force trauma happy) would be to make a melee cape for mages that PUP can wear, but SE already gave PUP some nicer capes already. :(