Abyssea is not the whole game here ppl.....

[Siros]

Ive been playing since ps2 release in 2004.It makes me so mad to see all these newer ppl bitching about everyones posted ideas an how they are not good for Abyssea.... There is more to the game than Abyssea!!! Yea thats great you have 20 lv 90 jobs an all the atma from abyssea,but do you have Sea or Sky access?.... probly not... Have u even tried anything other than Abyssea? Come on now an think outside the Abyss.

[Amanie]

mega sky and ultra sea update!!! do it SE!! ppl want the challenge back, im sure you can deliver.

then there will a bunch of topics about how FF is too hard days later

[rog]

Why would anyone need sky access?

[Pungalo]

lol sky i STILL consider realli fun, it may not be wut it used to be like.. but jus to imagine how much hell we all went thru campin mobs for pop items, etc.. since abyss came out ppl actually may have a BETTER chance on gettin some of that armor they always wanted, its still good imo. but ya maybe they should add some NEW NM's in sky & sea, bring it back slightly idk.. lol

[Felren]

Yes... there is more to this game than abyssea, but its the only content for over 75 right now, and it looks like could be the only content over 75, as SE has not released any info that I know of about a new endgame for us other than abyssea. If there is imbalance in abyssea, and its the only endgame that is designed around your level, you have the right to complain about it. The older content in FFXI is still doable and all.... but easier than ever at 90, and the gear it drops is outdated.

[RAIST]

hehe.. I still go play around up there for FOV. Quick, easy kill lists for upwards of 2300 a pop, and a spot of gil and notes for porting around to boot!

Raist

[Xilk]

Sky Access is needed for a sanctuary against the impending zombie apocalypse.

[Orson]

Sky Access is needed for a sanctuary against the impending zombie apocalypse.

The Moblinsdug too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Newton Movalpolos... shadow and death.

[noodles355]

Why would anyone need sky access?Wyrmal Abjuration: Legs.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Abyssea is not the whole game here ppl..... It is now. Welcome to the game designed for complainers by complainers.

[Runespider]

There is more to the game than Abyssea!!!

A short while after Abyssea came out all my groups for other events fell apart, now yes Abyssea is everything. Sky, sea, salvage, Einherjar, HNMs etc are all pointless.

[Kari]

Abyssea is the current end-game.

Sky and Sea access -hardly- matter.
And, if they have 20 level 90 jobs from Abyssea, they probably have more than enough time on their hands to go and finish Zilart/CoP/etc and get access to everything.

I really don't see the point of this topic.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Abyssea is the current EVERYTHING 30+.Fixed.











Appearently there's a 10 character minimum that doesn't include quote text... thanks SE...

[Delsus]

I think "old" endgame should be updated for 91-99, I would love to do limbus, dynamis, sky, sea, einherjar etc etc again they were so much more fun than abyssea because they had a challenge, also sea and limbus were such a good incentive to keep going through CoP (before it was nerfed) also there wouldnt be the access problems for sea now seeing as CoP is now soloable up to airship.

We need the old endgame back, let these new players that have never been there to see these beutiful zones

[Tsukino_Kaji]

seeing as CoP is now soloable up to airship.You should lvl bst, COP is soloable begining to end.
We need the old endgame back, let these new players that have never been there to see these beutiful zonesOld end game is just that, old. That's why we have new now.

[rog]

Hey guys, the 21st century sucks, we should go back to the dark ages. I'm sure it'd be better then than it is now.

[Linh]

Cars pollute the environment. My kingdom for a horse!

[Simian]

Why would anyone need sky access?

Actually, part of getting Sky access is getting access to Hall of the Gods, which by the way, is needed to complete the Abyssea story line. Plus there are a number of synthetic atmas available based on your past achievements including one for Kirin, CoP storyline, Zilart storyline where you need, guess what.....Sky Access. Imagine that.

[Ilax]

A short while after Abyssea came out all my groups for other events fell apart, now yes Abyssea is everything. Sky, sea, salvage, Einherjar, HNMs etc are all pointless.

As much i agree with this statement, is funny that the DEV group talking about revive dynamis only, wich is not even in your list of pointless event (excluding the fact you said 'etc' of course).

I wish DEV revive Sky, Sea, Einherjar, these event from base was fun :) for HNM i pass due to BOT... For salvage i would not say is pointless, i still do salvage for the fun, even if i wan to explode of rage every time i start naked :P

And please no DEV don't change that part, even if it make me rage every time, i still love the challenge of it.

[Cream_Soda]

Abyssea topics aren't the only ones in this site here ppl...

Edit: Who am I kidding. Of course they are.

Abyssea topic #9001, etc.

[rog]

Actually, part of getting Sky access is getting access to Hall of the Gods, which by the way, is needed to complete the Abyssea story line. Plus there are a number of synthetic atmas available based on your past achievements including one for Kirin, CoP storyline, Zilart storyline where you need, guess what.....Sky Access. Imagine that.
You can enter hall of gods without sky access, silly.

None of those atmas are really that useful, so it's ok.

[lllen]

lol, sky can be fun, I have been doing lightingday trial on golems up there, first kill first day DIO..........that has not happen in all my years in sky struggling to get pop sets.

[tlaloc]

abyssea is only good for a little while, it "helped" with the pain i could have been leveling in a party those 75+ levels, but it turned everything so easy it will get boring soon. The game didnt last 8 years for being extremely easy and boring after a year, it lasted this long because it was hard and sometimes damn hard, it lasted not because you could solo Shinryu with ease but because you had to fight Maat 7 or 8 times before you could beat him as RDM and CoP was so incredibly fun and hard that by the time my linshell and i finished CoP we almost cried ... i cant imagine how boring that amazing storyline must be for my gf since i have soloed everything for her (and if to that you add the fact of her not getting the cut scenes due to some kind of bug) she could at least hope the game to pose some challenge and fun later on

[Francisco]

From a MNK stand point - Sky still offers the best Chakra head and best Chi Blast feet and body.

Wyrmal Legs are still worthwhile, as well as Busho~ Earring and Suppanomimi.

Can't really say much for other jobs and gear though.

[Miiyo]

Abyssea is more fun than challenging. There's just alot to do. AF3+2 requires groups but not insane 18 people alliances. You can have just a few friends on and be able to go get something accomplished. Lots of people complained but they don't see the overall picture. You always have something you can do in abyssea. Pre-abyssea, there was that was worthwhile soloing or doing in a small group. Not to mention not everyone can remain satisfied doing sky and dynamis over and over for years. Gets boring. THANKS SE. Abyssea was a great idea. Can level, work on weapons, work on gear, and do quests and have fun while doing so. BLM 5 - 10k nukes? YES, PLEASE!

[Starcade]

Ive been playing since ps2 release in 2004.It makes me so mad to see all these newer ppl bitching about everyones posted ideas an how they are not good for Abyssea.... There is more to the game than Abyssea!!! Yea thats great you have 20 lv 90 jobs an all the atma from abyssea,but do you have Sea or Sky access?.... probly not... Have u even tried anything other than Abyssea? Come on now an think outside the Abyss.

I disagree with your premise.

Abyssea has become, essentially, the whole game.

Don't believe me?

Do a /sea all -- then do a /sea all 1-89.

Compare the two numbers.

[Krystal]

It is now. Welcome to the game designed for complainers by complainers.

tell me about it...i could write a book on half the abby noobs who yell at me for making a topic for a level cap increase. they scream" you increase the cap you'll kill the game!" when if you read between the lines they are actually screaming"if you increase the cap i can't leach and gain my levels the lazy way!"

[Malamasala]

Abyssea has become, essentially, the whole game.

It isn't surprising. Atma is the single best thing to happen to FF11 since FF10 was released. (I.e. nothing in FF11's history even compares to it). If SE expands atma to the whole game, I think we'd see people returning to old areas. Right now Abyssea is the game, and the rest of the world is the lobby that is only fit for talking and getting to the real world, Abyssea.

[Unaisis]

All you Complainers about Abyssea~~~~ Take note~ the game is the way it is because you Complainers are the minority of the FF11 player base.... Majority wins~

[Icestein]

Oh look! It's another one of these threads!

Abyssea might not be the whole game, but it's the most relevant and entertaining. Your opinion may differ from mine, but having 25 of these conversations is not changing many people's opinions. Deal with it.

I'd also love to see Atma outside of Abyssea.

Krystal, I see you on damn near every thread complaining about leechers and all the other bits of nonsense you like to spew repeatedly. Square enix haven't removed the old party mechanics, you're free to do whatever you want. Some people, most people, nearly everyone, hate the grind and agree that it doesn't contribute to better players. I'll repeat it, once more, deal with it.

[Starr]

Given we'll be able to augment R/Ex after the next patch I don't think they will bother to revamp older content but stuff like Byakko's and Homam will be given a bit of a bump to be more useable these days.

[hiko]

It isn't surprising. Atma is the single best thing to happen to FF11 since FF10 was released. (I.e. nothing in FF11's history even compares to it). If SE expands atma to the whole game, I think we'd see people returning to old areas. Right now Abyssea is the game, and the rest of the world is the lobby that is only fit for talking and getting to the real world, Abyssea.

I disagree, remove atma and you'll see more people in abyssea, because you'd need a PT/ally to do stuff you do with 2-4 people (or you just see less people in FF because they quit)

Atma is nice because you can do insane damage, low man evrything,but atma is also bad because it totally broke game balance

[Krystal]

Oh look! It's another one of these threads!

Abyssea might not be the whole game, but it's the most relevant and entertaining. Your opinion may differ from mine, but having 25 of these conversations is not changing many people's opinions. Deal with it.

I'd also love to see Atma outside of Abyssea.

Krystal, I see you on damn near every thread complaining about leechers and all the other bits of nonsense you like to spew repeatedly. Square enix haven't removed the old party mechanics, you're free to do whatever you want. Some people, most people, nearly everyone, hate the grind and agree that it doesn't contribute to better players. I'll repeat it, once more, deal with it.

no they haven't..but give the lazy players time and they'll complain enough to get SE to change crap again..and atma outside of dyna?! are you fricking insane?! It's already rediculasly easy enough to gain levels and kill mobs now outside of dyna thanks to the whiners and lazy players. adding Atma would just simply make normal area's laughable...than again....why not...and while we are at it...REMOVE ALL THE OLD AREAS! yeah...yeah....remove all the content in the game EXCEPT Abyssea! oh and while we are at it...lets rename FFXI to Abyssea IX! that sounds awsome and great...right? that's what we all want...right? do it!

[Cream_Soda]

no they haven't..but give the lazy players time and they'll complain enough to get SE to change crap again..and atma outside of dyna?! are you fricking insane?! It's already rediculasly easy enough to gain levels and kill mobs now outside of dyna thanks to the whiners and lazy players. adding Atma would just simply make normal area's laughable...than again....why not...and while we are at it...REMOVE ALL THE OLD AREAS! yeah...yeah....remove all the content in the game EXCEPT Abyssea! oh and while we are at it...lets rename FFXI to Abyssea IX! that sounds awsome and great...right? that's what we all want...right? do it!
Slippery slope

[Icestein]

Mmm, maybe calm down there a bit slugger. You keep saying Dyna when you mean Abyssea. There's not really an excuse for "rediculasly" when there's a spell check.

Nobody is saying that we should remove all the old content, it's still got it's niches, but guess what? Content dies all the time, and what's worse you're being a complete hypocrite. They're trying to revitalize some of the old content but you're in other threads opposing that. What exactly do you want?

If more of the game was like abyssea I would actually be quite happy. Opinions are subjective. Yours isn't "right"

As cream soda said, probably best not just to spew a lot of logical fallacies all over the place if you want to get your point across.

[Krystal]

Mmm, maybe calm down there a bit slugger. You keep saying Dyna when you mean Abyssea. There's not really an excuse for "rediculasly" when there's a spell check.

Nobody is saying that we should remove all the old content, it's still got it's niches, but guess what? Content dies all the time, and what's worse you're being a complete hypocrite. They're trying to revitalize some of the old content but you're in other threads opposing that. What exactly do you want?

If more of the game was like abyssea I would actually be quite happy. Opinions are subjective. Yours isn't "right"

As cream soda said, probably best not just to spew a lot of logical fallacies all over the place if you want to get your point across.

what do i want? not that it matters..but frankly...to be quite honest...i don't necessarily hate abyssea...it's quite fun...but WAY TOO EASY. what i want is this. an even balance of challenge and new things. i don't mind change...as long as you keep it challenging! but every single change made has been aimed to make it easier...not newer...when abyssea was first released i was on the gravy train with everyone else screaming"woot! tons of exp! woot new armor! woot new story line!" but that was short lived as it became more than apparent when i switched to one of my other jobs and seeked for a party on 10 different jobs during different days of the week. i did a full world scan for players to invite about 2 weeks later deciding that seeking wasn't going to cut it. what i saw shocked me to hell it was filled with players ranging from level 30-75 in all the abyssea areas. and those seeking outside of those areas had their seacom message as "Abyssea <Key> <Master> <Yes,please.> <insert random low level job here>" that's when i realized just what abyssea did to FFXI..it didn't just add new areas and armor...it eliminated the need to level in any of the old areas at all. this pissed me off...badly so i was like"Okay SE is bound to realize they have literally screwed up the balance of their leveling system and fix this right?" however with no changes made it became more than apparent this was their intention from the start..so i stopped going to abyssea....PERIOD for a long time till a friend convinced me to at least merit there...so that's what i do in abyssea..only merit..nothing more.

[Cream_Soda]

had their seacom message as "Abyssea <Key> <Master> <Yes,please.> <insert random low level job here>"

It's pretty simple not to invite them @.@

[Icestein]

So you have very little experience of Abyssea, but you openly choose to criticize it.

I also like that you think you're making some kind of message. You bought the abyssea expansion pack and pay your monthly subscription, but you don't enter the zone. I'm sure SE are just sat weeping at that.

I keep forgetting to add things I meant to say: When leveling my dancer, which by the way, past 30 I leeched up, I saw plenty of people dinging 43 in my parties. They were all in Qufim, that's not better, it's just more tedious.

I also like that you criticize that Abyssea makes people gimp, but if what you say is true, you'd be lacking Empyrean armor +1/+2, making you fairly gimp in your own right.

[Krystal]

It's pretty simple not to invite them @.@

go away troll....-_-

[Cream_Soda]

go away troll....-_-
I'm making statements directed towards the thread itself and you make personal comments at me and call me the troll? lol

[Krystal]

So you have very little experience of Abyssea, but you openly choose to criticize it.

I also like that you think you're making some kind of message. You bought the abyssea expansion pack and pay your monthly subscription, but you don't enter the zone. I'm sure SE are just sat weeping at that.

i have quite abit of experience in abyssea areas actually. i didn't say how long i was in those areas till i switched did i?

[Krystal]

I'm making statements directed towards the thread itself and you make personal comments at me and call me the troll? lol

a troll is someone who directly attempts to discredit another statement of another user constantly to make their comment irrelevant, makes posts that have nothing to do with the topic, or directly insult a players ability in game. the only exception to this is when one makes a reply to the "said troll". so ya...take that and ponder on it....

[Cream_Soda]

a troll is someone who directly attempts to discredit another statement of another user constantly to make their comment irrelevant, makes posts that have nothing to do with the topic, or directly insult a players ability in game. the only exception to this is when one makes a reply to the "said troll". so ya...take that and ponder on it....
A) you have the definition of troll wrong.

B) My response had a lot to do with this topic, unless the quote I was responding to had nothing to do with this topic. In which case, you were the one off topic posting.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response"

[Icestein]

It was in response to your statement. He's not a troll, it is as simple as not inviting them.

If you don't want trolls stop flame baiting.

[Cream_Soda]

I'm not trolling at all

We're on opposite sides of the argument. I'm simply disagreeing with what your main points and providing my points of views and or solutions to said "issues"

[Luvbunny]

All SE has to do is adjust the stats on the gears dropped in the older content areas to a level where they are slightly better than the gears in abbysea areas or even AF+2. They can even tweak the stats on AF1 and AF2, so that you have a variant of "focused" gears for special situations. Heck they might as well adjust gears obtained from campaign, assaults, etc as well. They can also make all bcnms drops certain seals or stones for AF3+2.

When that happened, you will see a lot of people will do the older content because it does not consume their traverser stones. Add to the fact that those older contents can actually be done with smaller party, you will see a bottleneck of people camping the areas. And welcome to your worst nightmare, since now you are going to be forced to camp and fight over the NM. Unless they change it to a pop NM with KI similar to Abbysea, which is you know, the greatest thing ever.

[Luvbunny]

I feel that the only negative thing about Abbysea is the xp leechers. The last update somewhat alleviate this, but SE should have done a bit more, by making FoV exp giving you three times the amount of xp, make the mobs drop 500-1000 xp chest, and giving more xp bonus on the rings. The way FFXI is evolving now is no longer focused on having the old fashioned xp party from 1-75, but more on how fast can you get to 75+ so that you can participate on end game activities. Let's face it, leveling from 1-75 is never a fun activities, it is time consuming, and you don't really learn much about your job in the safe controlled environment of xp party or abbysea alliance anyway. The only way you learn about your job, the hard way, is through bcnm, missions, and fighting NMs, where the safety net is off, and you really need to pay attention and work as a group or face defeat.

SE needs to revamp the older bcnms and endgame contents to make it more accessible and upgrade the rewards to be more consistent with the way things are in 2011. The game as it is now, has become a gear hunting fest, with added bonus of completing main missions. Everything else is all about magian trials and abbysea (both are gears hunting). It's good to see that the developers are not afraid to shake things up and evolve the game. To be honest the majority of the challenges in FFXI are mostly artificial time sink, but at least SE is working hard in alleviating the biggest time sink of them all: leveling your jobs. Now everyone can focus on gear huntings and battling NMs.

[Siros]

Ok,this one got way out of hand.Alot of u missed the point in what i was saying.The reason i posted this was because ppl bitched about other's idea for the game an tore the ideas apart because they wouldnt be ideal in Abyssea,where i was simply stating theres more ta the game than Abyssea.

Lemme explain,Such as doing sky nms,or limbus:Omega for homam gears.Even ENM's or HNM's,einherjar,Dyna,assault,salvage,nyzule.

Now some of u might say they are pointless,some enjoy it.Hey w/e loads ur pipe,Im just saying maybe us veterans want things for outside Abyssea areas cause we still like doing the old shit.

[Gadanae]

There is still a very nice reason to do Abyssea and all the content as well.

It's called Atma of the Saviour. Look it up.

[Effilil]

the real problem isn't the game...it's the players....I've been having a ton of fun leveling bst outside of aby, and I'm getting better at it every level...I also still have a regular dyna shell and still find that to be a challenge, especially when we have a bad day
too many players currently think abyssea is the best thing since sliced bread for getting jobs up, and yes, SE has addressed some of the player concerns about areas outside aby, but really, they could make everything outside aby easier, and the players would still flock to aby...."fixing" the game won't change how people think, though some of us will still do more things outside aby than inside...
besides...I still have a whole lotta quests open that I want to clear

[Xamba]

Ok,this one got way out of hand.Alot of u missed the point in what i was saying.The reason i posted this was because ppl bitched about other's idea for the game an tore the ideas apart because they wouldnt be ideal in Abyssea,where i was simply stating theres more ta the game than Abyssea.

Lemme explain,Such as doing sky nms,or limbus:Omega for homam gears.Even ENM's or HNM's,einherjar,Dyna,assault,salvage,nyzule.

Now some of u might say they are pointless,some enjoy it.Hey w/e loads ur pipe,Im just saying maybe us veterans want things for outside Abyssea areas cause we still like doing the old shit.

There is more to the game than Abyssea, however the problem, I believe, is that SE made Abyssea too easily accessible.

#1 There should be some sort of level limit to those that can enter. Just like other areas, such as Dynamis where you have to be 65+ and past mission 5-2. Lv 1-75 characters really have no business being in Abyssea IMO. If Abyssea is looked at as the end-all of this game currently, then it should be harder to reach.

#2 I think SE should have kept with their initial idea of the 120 time limit, without adding extra time extensions.

But even if SE did change what I suggest, Siros hit it on the head - us veterans want to have new content in other areas because we still like doing stuff in the "old" areas. There does need to be a resurgence in some of the other areas (I am looking forward to the new changes in dynamis), but what I would love to see would be a few new jobs and races to play.

[MrWigglles]

lol sky i STILL consider realli fun, it may not be wut it used to be like.. but jus to imagine how much hell we all went thru campin mobs for pop items, etc.. since abyss came out ppl actually may have a BETTER chance on gettin some of that armor they always wanted, its still good imo.

but ya maybe they should add some NEW NM's in sky & sea, bring it back slightly idk.. lol

Let Kirin spawn in Cape Terrigan with the group of regular Manticore's near the Gustav tunnel enterance :D

[Luvbunny]

Abbysea is great as it is, perfect and just what the majority of the players wanted. End of story. The problem is that when you compare Abbysea content to the old content, the old content just does not measure up. SE can easily fix that by making the old content updated on par to Abbysea gears and whatnot. They can also beef up exp gain more, add exp chest and have similar dominion on high levels area or WoTG areas for lvl 80 and up. Once they do that, people will exp outside abbysea, simply because you do not need time extension, and you are not using any traverser stones.

Plus bear in mind, SE wants you to buy the 3 abbysea content, hence they make it very accessible to players starting at lvl 30 and let you leech xp. Not making abbysea content feel elitist and excluding new players is the best idea they have so far. It's all business decision mind you. Notice how the abbysea content is always better than the one before, and how dead the early abby areas are nowadays because everyone wants to do dominion xp party. They want you to keep buying the new addons, otherwise why bother if the old one is just as good as the new one.

If you don't like abbysea and prefer doing things the old school ways, don't buy it, let your money tells SE what you want. Good luck finding people to do things the way it was though.

[Mirage]

I liked the old school parties, but not the old school exp rates. I think it is pretty dumb to automatically assume that everyone who liked old fashioned parties liked them for the exp rates.

Btw dom ops parties are terribly annoying. You spend more time running than fighting.

[Greatguardian]

I think it is pretty dumb to automatically assume that people bumping 7 month old threads bumped them because the OP and subsequent discussion were just that riveting.

[Mirage]

I followed a link from a more recent thread. I don't really care enough to check post dates

Oh well!

[Vold]

I don't mind bumped threads when there's a serious response to be had(and as long as it's not continuous whining of the same subject over the span of months in the same thread demanding a response from SE) I have a big problem with people bumping threads just to bump them with nothing more to say than "bump(look at me, I have decided to bump this dead thread just because I believe not EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER has seen it yet for the past several months on the front page every day that I've been bumping it)"

If no one has anything more to say on the matter then dead thread is dead, and you just waste people's time when they go and look for a decent addition to the discussion only to find "bump" crap instead. That worthless crap gets under my skin. At least try to think of something more to add to the discussion. You want the topic to stay on the front page bad enough, why can't you take the time to add more discussion? Fricking copy and paste earlier posts if you have to. Show some effort. You already took the time to hunt the thread down and to reply with "bump". Good grief.

[Olor]

yeah, Abyssea isn't the whole game. So what are you complaining about exactly?

[Soranika]

Jumping on the necrobandwagon mostly cause I'm curious how a 7 month old thread some how ended up on a most recent post list.