FC tips

[Garrin]

I'm new to the whole FC for uberfriendxp thing. Ive used it in xp parties for fun, but we're looking to farm pop items and LS level mules. Looking for some tips for atma to use and things i should have to get it started. Ive got decent gear, and im working on getting things that are better. Any advice would be appreciated.

Here's what ive tried so far.

Atma: VV,RR and ____ (tried Sundering slash, was thinking smiting blow might be better)

Merits: I have 8/8 GA and 7/8 STR
3/5 Abyssite of Furtherance

Gear:
Vermeil Buhj
Uther's Grip
Ravagers Orb
Rav. Mask +1
Grim Cuirass
Rav.+2 legs
Heca Hands& Feet
Rajas/Spiral Ring
Ravagers/Brutal Earrings
Warwolf Belt
Atheling Mantle
Neckpiece = ?

[Leonlionheart]

FC is actually a lot easier than most people think. I'll give you my gear and atma that kills most things in one shot.

Merits: 8/8 GA, 8/8 STR, 12/12 HP(really does help in that OSHI situation)

Gear:
Weapon: Step up to Warlord's Axe or Widowmaker, Ukonvasara is the ultimate goal really.
Grip: Stop using Uther's Grip forever. Pole Grip or Claymore Grip or go home (Sword Grip is situationally better, ask someone who knows a lot about STP and x hit setups before using)
Ammo: Yes.
Head: Twilight Helm is the absolute best for FC. Otherwise Hecatomb Hat/+1 > AF3+2
Body: Yes. Only way up from Grim is Grim +1
Legs: Yes. Hachiryu is the only thing you can put here, or a well augmented Adaman/Armada legs.
Hands: No. Alky's are better, Heafoc are best.
Feet: Yes! Go for the STR+3 Aug on NQ, +4 on HQ. (HQ can get a total of 11 STR!)
Rings: Pyrosoulx2 is optimal.
Earring: That's what I use; STR+4 will be much better than Rvg. Earring though. Too bad it's like 2.5mil+
Waist: Beir Belt +1 > all
Back: Yes.
Neck: Ire Torque +1, Gorget MAY be better but I cant be asked to go make one right now.

Here's the kicker though;
Atma: RR, SS, Apoc (Should be using these anyway)
USE MIGHTY STRIKES AND BLOOD RAGE. DO IT. It makes Fell Cleave 100% Critical, meaning you WILL kill 90% of mobs in 1 hit. I regularly do ~5k with Fell Cleave+MS+BR. You'll get your 2hour back if you have good azure, or even amber since Revitalizers are quite common.

Good luck on your farming!

Edit: For hands Hecatomb can be better, but with RR and SS + Blood Rage you should be hitting cap, or getting very close.

[Rearden]

That's actually terrible advice if you're using it to level mules like you said. You only get xp for 8 mobs a pop, so if you one shot 20 of them, you wasted 12 mobs. Yeah, you get chests from them...but you'd get more xp if you cleaved them without your 2h. You're talking the difference at capped xp (600) between 4800+page+boxes a pull and 8000-12000+page+boxes a pull.

Try using 1-2 PDT atmas and RR, or if you have enough WHM support, use RR/GH/SS

[Leonlionheart]

Doing it for EXP?
Pull 8.
Can't do that?

Same gear, no Hecatomb Hands in any situation, Heafoc>Alky
VV+RR+Apoc, make a PDT set for when you're gaining TP. Don't use PDT atmas, it caps at 50% either way. RR/GH/SS is horrible always, FC cannot crit without Mighty Strikes.

Yeah my advice was targeted at KI farming. I use Mighty Strikes method for both EXP and KI though, as normally you'll kill most of them at the same time either way.

[Arcon]

That's actually terrible advice if you're using it to level mules like you said. You only get xp for 8 mobs a pop, so if you one shot 20 of them, you wasted 12 mobs. Yeah, you get chests from them...but you'd get more xp if you cleaved them without your 2h.

I think I remember reading somewhere that they fixed that? Or am I remembering things...

Anyway, you can use 2hr but it really isn't necessary, killing without 2hr is also almost instantly, you get TP faster than you can look and 3x WS are used in seconds. Will give you 3~5s delay on every pull, but if you're as lazy as I am, this is the way to go.

Good Atma (in case you're not using 2hr) are STR Atma (VV, SA, Harvester, Roaring Laughter, Dark Blade). Depending on your support, that may differ though. Usually a RDM as healer/support is plenty, Phalanx is all you really need to survive on relevant mobs.

For a weapon, Oneiros Axe is also nice, maybe even better than Ukon (9 DMG and thus new rank, vs. STR+15), since the TP loss is irrelevant. Plus, it's arguably easier to get.

[Rayik]

What mobs would you guys recommend FC'ing on? I just finished a Sumeru +2 with +10% WS damage last weekend and I've been itching to try it in a FC situation.

[Arcon]

What mobs would you guys recommend FC'ing on? I just finished a Sumeru +2 with +10% WS damage last weekend and I've been itching to try it in a FC situation.

I usually do Overking Apkallu in Abyssea - Misareaux (#00), Hannequet in Abyssea - Attohwa (#5) or Fear Dearg in Abyssea - Altepa (#6). However, they are sometimes camped by people trying to skill up or doing their own FC parties, so check the area before you go there.

[hiko]

Edit: For hands Hecatomb can be better, but with RR and SS + Blood Rage you should be hitting cap, or getting very close.

can replace SS with GC and stack crit dmg+ for higher total multiplier

[wish12oz]

Use a full PDT set full time so you can pull more mobs, don't 2 hour so they don't all die at the same time, and use whatever atmas you would normally use so you don't have to switch later.

Real Advise:
Mobs only walk in a clockwise rotation around you when they group up, if you force them into a wall they cannot do this. What you need to do is pull everything into a wall on your left as you return to where your mage is waiting for you, and turn to face them, making the wall on your right, and you need to be directly against this wall, lock on whatever you're engaged to and walk backwards a little and this will pull everything directly in front of you because when the mobs can't walk in a clockwise rotation around you, they will just sit on top of each other.

[Leonlionheart]

can replace SS with GC and stack crit dmg+ for higher total multiplier

RR 30% Blood Rage 20% Trait 8% = 58% SS 30% = 88%. W/ AF3+2 feet thats 98%.

You're no where near capping without SS. You might lose Apoc for GC, but then you'd be crippled for actual fights so only if you're solely farming KI.

Like stated, Mighty Strikes method isn't optimal for cleaving for EXP. As far as I'm concerned there's no other way to do it for farming KI though. This way you don't even need a healer if you 1 hit them all (BLM puller using MP atma and Manawall is optimal since he can sleep them in a group after the pull.

It might be noted that if you really want to cleave friends up to cap, BLU is a better choice but harder to gear. BLU can solo it all on pretty much any non-magic resistant mob. Including the pull which is the biggest problem with WAR.

[hiko]

RR BR trait feet GC=> dmg multiplier=1.68*1.2=2.01(6)>1.98

you can get unlucky and having a round without ISL/revit:1.2>1

if you already OS em with RR/SS mighty/blood stacking RR/SS/GC is overkill

[Leonlionheart]

I've one shotted pretty much everything people cleave on with RR/SS/Apoc, then don't have to change atma to go into a fight (not that you would really need to anyway).

Though, I guess your right.

[Rearden]

Changing atma isn't exactly a hardship if you're cleaving. Most zones don't have a great ruby free mob for cleaving anyway, so if you're really KI farming you should just catacleave. Takes 20s longer than MS_FC and gets you what you want 80% faster, with 100% less hassle.

[Leonlionheart]

Changing atma isn't exactly a hardship if you're cleaving. Most zones don't have a great ruby free mob for cleaving anyway, so if you're really KI farming you should just catacleave. Takes 20s longer than MS_FC and gets you what you want 80% faster, with 100% less hassle.

This too is true. However I don't do this because I often times camp the NM and Cleave at the same time.

[Babekeke]

Is there a good FC mob in Konschat? I'd like to spam gold chests for dark rings for our LS, without having to do a full alliance. If they give amber, even better so we can just Cataclysm them :)

[Gokku]

wivre's arent to bad i did those on pld

[Arcon]

Is there a good FC mob in Konschat? I'd like to spam gold chests for dark rings for our LS, without having to do a full alliance. If they give amber, even better so we can just Cataclysm them :)

Lizards are squishy. They're the kind of mobs that were put in the game just to be killed.

[Babekeke]

Hmmm I'll have to check them out. It's all very well having a squishy mob, but if they hit me for 100 a time, no amount of -ptd and phalanx is going to save me ><

[Arcon]

Hmmm I'll have to check them out. It's all very well having a squishy mob, but if they hit me for 100 a time, no amount of -ptd and phalanx is going to save me ><

There's no mobs that hit very weak in Konschtat, but lizzies are at the lower end of the scale. The only thing that sucks about them is that they don't aggro or link, so you'd need a puller who's good at it.

[Dirtyfinger]

Just batter saplings.

[Babekeke]

Just batter saplings.

This is what I was thinking when I looked at the abyssea lights page on wiki to see which mobs drop which lights. They looked like the weakest hitting of all mobs, and since they give amber, I figured they'd be fairly simple to even solo with MC for regen, ultimate and cosmos for Cataclysm, pop a taco and keep defender up with some -pdt gear.

[Korpg]

If you are going to want to ambercleave stuff in Kon, do leeches.

They link, they die quickly, and they don't really hurt you that much. Make sure you bring a good healer though, cause 20+ leeches sucks.

[Gokku]

This is what I was thinking when I looked at the abyssea lights page on wiki to see which mobs drop which lights. They looked like the weakest hitting of all mobs, and since they give amber, I figured they'd be fairly simple to even solo with MC for regen, ultimate and cosmos for Cataclysm, pop a taco and keep defender up with some -pdt gear.

gangly gean sleepga slow = no do not pull sapplings they are 2 far spread and dont link.

[Babekeke]

gangly gean sleepga slow = no do not pull sapplings they are 2 far spread and dont link.

Boooooooo!

[kingfury]

If you are going to want to ambercleave stuff in Kon, do leeches.

They link, they die quickly, and they don't really hurt you that much. Make sure you bring a good healer though, cause 20+ leeches sucks.
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I lol'd at the ironic pun :D

[FrankReynolds]

Could just kill a few Garuda NMs and then cleave w/e mobs you want after. That is how I farmed Dark rings on BLU.

[Retsujo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't getting Ruby from Fell Cleave hinder the augments on Amber items in gold chests? That would make Saplings the only mobs to cleave, unless by 'Ambercleave' we're talking Cataclysm with Staff...

I don't fully understand the concept, but I'd like to!

[Leonlionheart]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't getting Ruby from Fell Cleave hinder the augments on Amber items in gold chests? That would make Saplings the only mobs to cleave, unless by 'Ambercleave' we're talking Cataclysm with Staff...

I don't fully understand the concept, but I'd like to!

You'd generally have to find the mob that doesn't drop ruby (idk about kon, but in misereaux it's apkallu and colibri, in la theine it's frogs, wiki has a decent list of what lights drop from what up until heroes zones).

I've never found fell cleaving konschtat to be effective rather than just killing, mainly because you can't really solo it. But in that case I've never really found WAR farming amber chests w/o cleave very effective either.

[Arcon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't getting Ruby from Fell Cleave hinder the augments on Amber items in gold chests? That would make Saplings the only mobs to cleave, unless by 'Ambercleave' we're talking Cataclysm with Staff...

I don't fully understand the concept, but I'd like to!

Firstly, yes, you can use Cataclysm instead of Fell Cleave, it's not much worse. Secondly, you can still Fell Cleave and get ruby, it doesn't hinder the chest rate too much. The only difference is that you'll get more red chests, but you'd still get lots of gold chests too, and it doesn't have an effect on the quality of the gold chests at all, only on the number.

[Retsujo]

Okay thanks for the replies.

And yeah, I was referring to saplings being the only mob that does not drop ruby light in Konschtat, according to wiki, making cleavng anything else possibly troublesome if getting any other light in the azure/ruby/amber spectrum would hinder the chest's yield.

[hiko]

pulling linking mob is faster than pulling sappling
faster pull = you kill more mobs= you get more chest
even if you get a lower amber chest % you dont get less amber chest total

[Korpg]

Which is why I suggested leeches.

[Leonlionheart]

How to fix the ruby issue:

level BLU

[Babekeke]

How to fix the ruby issue:

level BLU

Or use a staff?

[Dfoley]

Or fight mobs with no ruby? hi chigoe


nm didnt see you were talking about konschtat only. yes, use staff or level blu ;-p

[Leonlionheart]

Konschtat sucks balls honestly for farming stuff AoE. I personally like Tonberries but they will f*** your s*** if you let them get enough TP, thus why BLU works so beautifully