Suggestion: Server-Wide Chat Channel

[Gwynplaine]

Seems I may have posted this in the wrong forum before. Or if not, then at least here it can be more widely viewed and discussed.

I think FFXI would benefit from a server-wide chat channel (or two, or three, etc.) If it's within the capabilities of programming and server load etc I think it could be a great help. Most MMO's utilize some form of server-wide chat for forming groups and trading. Two things that could stand to be made easier in this one simple way. As it is right now shouting is hamfisted; it only works in one zone. Which is inefficient considering Jeuno is 4 zones, and many players still use Whitegate.

Of course there would be bound to be misuses, but that's why any new chat element always comes with a chat filter to turn it off.

On top of making goals easier to orchestrate, it just makes the game feel more alive. Usually when you log on to an MMO you get a sense there is traffic, and plenty of stuff going on via the chat. Typically if you log onto FFXI you'll feel like you're the only person in the zone (especially for any noobie who might try wandering through). This isn't a primary reason to justify doing it but it helps.

How about this:
3 different settings in chat filters as well as text commands.
Filter Off - The server chat filter is set to off and you will see all chat in any zone.
Contextual Filter - This setting automatically turns the filter off when entering towns and automatically turns it on outside towns.
Permanent On Filter - Server chat is filtered out completely until you turn it off again.

Type commands could be something like:
/servchat off
/servchat on
/servchat town

And it goes without saying that a minimum wait time between messages and standard things like the same limits that apply to shouts and tells now should be used.

Why Seacoms Aren't as Good:
There's good reasons no one uses seacoms. Usually I only see them for things like magian, and indicating lotting. Or leaving moronic messages like "Kitty meow meow time now!". Hardly any NA ever use them and heres why.

-They're passive. Once you set one it remains and it could be old, you send someone a tell and they say like "oh yeah I was looking but now Im in an ls event" etc.
-You can only set one purpose with limited description. But there can be any number of things you might be interested in doing.
-They reset after you logout or D/C. It's Annoying to have to restate your seacom every time you reenter thee game.
-Most people particularly NA don't ever use them anyways.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

We're not WoW, we don't need channels.

[Wade]

I wouldn't care as long as they give us the option to filter it out.

[Seha]

Just make shouts cities-messages and we're fine. Abuse wouldn't be different from now, and it would just allow to free the famouse PJ congestion.

[Ilax]

I love to be in upper jeuno sometime, just to get ride of the /shout, no thanks for more spam in my screen. I think everyone already know where the shout are and if they really wan to see them, is easy to just zone there. Something SE i guess could do is an option to track shout from specific zone. (let say you spy Port jeuno shout while you in abyssea) A general channel like you say will just end to help RMT, or those player that love to shout any garbage like: Kirin do you need it, everything FFA except n.body, Osode, Shura body, w.leg /tell 10/18. [as much anyone can find this interesting to win a wind crystal from kirin, i really pass on the shout]

[Runespider]

People like pick up groups, the huge crowding in port shows this. All they need to do is make it like a 2nd linkshell that you can put on or off.

[Ilax]

That what ppl already do, they call that social linkshell.

[Runespider]

One that you can pickup from an NPC that everyone on your server can use, not just your little clique. Idea being for everyone to have a serverwide type shout system they can create groups in. Put a limit on how often you can type in it to stop spam etc, 1-2 min spam delay. Woudl work great.

[Ilax]

What i mean is you can do such of linkshell if you wan and just spread it around, if ppl bored they can equip it and see whats going on, if 64 is too small in your project maybe you can ask SE to increase this part.

[rog]

I think everyone already know where the shout are and if they really wan to see them, is easy to just zone there.
Right, because sitting around with your thumb up your ass in port jeuno is so productive, when you could be out doing something while watching shouts.

If you're not interested in seeing it, you filter them. It's really not that hard.

[Ilax]

Right, because sitting around with your thumb up your ass in port jeuno is so productive, when you could be out doing something while watching shouts.

If you're not interested in seeing it, you filter them. It's really not that hard.

Huh who said i don't wan see them? I wan to see my friend /tell me when they need me, do that mean i wan receive RMT tell, and for answer no, i would have to ignore everyone (RMT + Friend) don't come up with the 'you can blist' because you know as me how that never fixed anything.

If you really bored that mean you not doing anything special from base, so why not just stay in jeuno, there always social linkshell that can tell you: Hey this guy shouting for what you looking, as it happen for everyone of us. Do i wan loose a Kclub sell for 1 gil, just because i refuse to watch zillion of spam, no...

Also think about 1,000 player talking in same room, man i am hardly able to read my linkshell on peek time while i am farming and even more when i am doing hard event, just imagine try read 100x more spam. In the end it might just add up another issue of AFk'ness in general event (sorry i was reading)

There a time and a place for everything, i doubt we need that amazing interference following us in every zone.

[rog]

I don't need to have absolutely nothing to do for it to be worth watching shouts.

If spam is a problem, then you filter the global channel.

[Ilax]

I don't need to have absolutely nothing to do for it to be wortn watxhing shouts.

For you maybe, for me it would froze my mind. It would create an extra issue for me as i stated, doubt i would be the only one, also note we already face enough spam as it is. Such of tool could also be use the wrong way causing more trouble then anything else, and who would be the moderator of that channel?

[Runespider]

Also think about 1,000 player talking in same room, man i am hardly able to read my linkshell on peek time while i am farming and even more when i am doing hard event, just imagine try read 100x more spam.

It's not a chat channel, it would be strictly for shout type announcements with 1-2 minute delays before you can type anything again. The whole point of it is for people to use it to form/join groups for seals, NM kills or XP alliance groups.

[rog]

For you maybe, for me it would froze my mind. It would create an extra issue for me as i stated, doubt i would be the only one, also note we already face enough spam as it is. Such of tool could also be use the wrong way causing more trouble then anything else, and who would be the moderator of that channel?
You've never been in a situation where you wanted to see shouts for a mission/nm/etc, and also wanted to do something small like farm, do quests, etc? Really?

[Ilax]

If spam is a problem, then you filter the global channel.

Same analogy as the GM i called once for someone shouting false accusation about me? (calling me RMT) (harrasment) You know what he did? GM added the filter for me. You have no clue how this made my day. Of course this player ended to be jailed, but the GM first action (switching filter for me) insulted me as you have no idea.

[Ilax]

You've never been in a situation where you wanted to see shouts for a mission/nm/etc, and also wanted to do something small like farm, do quests, etc? Really?

It did happen to me, god idk how many time. Albert Einstein gave use nuclear, was it good? Depend how you use it, is the problem in the world, people alway end to use such of power tool to abuse.

So ya when i need mission i let my LS know, and when they see it in shout, they are sending me a tell, i do as much for them, and i think pretty much everyone do this.

[rog]

It did happen to me, god idk how many time. Albert Einstein gave use nuclear, was it good? Depend how you use it, is the problem in the world, people alway end to use such of power tool to abuse.

So ya when i need mission i let my LS know, and when they see it in shout, they are sending me a tell, i do as much for them, and i think pretty much everyone do this.And what if everyone in your ls is busy?

Honestly, i can't imagine why you want it to be harder to find groups for things.

[Ilax]

I don't wan it harder, don't turn my word, i think the actual system is by far enough to get what you need, asking more at the cost causing more trouble as we already facing is not a solution to me.

You can already use comment that everyone can search (from any zone) (Example for mission or for item you looking), is wrong to say we have to be flooded by more spam as it is at the moment.


And what if everyone in your ls is busy?

Key word here, they busy, obviously they don't either wan read a spam channel.

Edit: Read thread: Message boards? It would be way more logical to me that SE do something like that, were player can create they own section. So everyone read what they wan, and not forced to read spam.

[Runespider]

This would be something you choose to enable, if you don't want/need it then you can do without. Meanwhile most others can use it and make the most of being able to join groups without having to sit in port clogging up the joint.

[rog]

I don't wan it harder, don't turn my word, i think the actual system is by far enough to get what you need, asking more at the cost causing more trouble as we already facing is not a solution to me.
You don't want it made easier, hence you want it harder than it could be.

And no one would ever be forced to read spam. You can filter channels if you're not interested in reading them. Not sure why i need to continue saying this.

[Ilax]

This would be something you choose to enable, if you don't want/need it then you can do without. Meanwhile most others can use it and make the most of being able to join groups without having to sit in port clogging up the joint.

Did you take time read thread: Message boards? Don't you think that would be less aggressive and more convivial for everyone, also wont need to stay @ jeuno or anywhere, nor need to be flooded by spam, nothing say this message board can't be access for every zone like the 'Pair of magian spectacles.

[DrWho]

Party chats capable on PS2. Restrict chat to linkshell only too many kids play this game.

[Runespider]

Did you take time read thread: Message boards? Don't you think that would be less aggressive and more convivial for everyone, also wont need to stay @ jeuno or anywhere, nor need to be flooded by spam, nothing say this message board can't be access for every zone like the 'Pair of magian spectacles.

I read it fine, your points make no sense. Shouts happen on the fly, people don't make posts about XP alliance groups or seal farming on forums. Also not everyone reads forums, nor should they. Honestly I think your reason for being against it is as was said to make it harder to everyone else to get things done which is stupid, status in gear is long gone stop living in the past.

If you like you can turn on the shout channel and sit in port jeuno and when you leave turn it off, that fixes your problem just fine I think.

[Ilax]

I read it fine, your points make no sense

Explain?


Shouts happen on the fly, people don't make posts about XP alliance groups or seal farming on forums.

Only true for XP party, they still can shout and there no need to reach all zone, what the idea? Make someone already in a PT to see your shout and left hsi PT for yours? /sea all 1-90 inv [is there for a reason]


Honestly I think your reason for being against it is as was said to make it harder to everyone else to get things done which is stupid, status in gear is long gone stop living in the past.

Explain again? I think i been total clear about this would cause more spam if you just end to think is because i wan it harder then i guess for you 1+1 = 3 right?


If you like you can turn on the shout channel and sit in port jeuno and when you leave turn it off, that fixes your problem just fine I think.

So you think is logical for me to miss information just because i don't wan be flooded of spam? Already explained i don't wan receive RMT /tell, do not mean the option is filter all /tell.

[Runespider]

It won't cause more spam because there would be a delay on what you enter in the shout channel, you are trying to say that the existance of a world shout channel would cause masses of conversations etc but it won't if done corerctly, just put a simple long delay. It would be no worse than shout and infact I can see them living quite nicely side by side.

[tlaloc]

this whole discussion is pointless since as they stated before it would be an optional feature, it wouldnt be forced, i magine an scenario where i want to solo with BST but i also want to lv my WHM and finish a mission, i can only do one thing at the time and since my linkshell has only 6 ppl minding their own bussiness they cant assist every time i want to lv my WHM, so i turn on my server wide LS too check for any one looking for a whm or looking for another member to finish up that mission... hey i could even find a good deal on ABC's while im soloing with BST, not to mention i could also sell those unwanted Dusk Gloves i havnt been able to sell at the AH

[rog]

Explain?



Only true for XP party, they still can shout and there no need to reach all zone, what the idea? Make someone already in a PT to see your shout and left hsi PT for yours? /sea all 1-90 inv [is there for a reason]



Explain again? I think i been total clear about this would cause more spam if you just end to think is because i wan it harder then i guess for you 1+1 = 3 right?



So you think is logical for me to miss information just because i don't wan be flooded of spam? Already explained i don't wan receive RMT /tell, do not mean the option is filter all /tell.
So, they can put a 5 minute delay on shouts.

[Gwynplaine]

Frankly I don't care if it does result in spam. Spam is a secondary phenomenon of a thriving game world in an MMO. I'm not concerned with being a defensive architect who builds everything around the worst outcomes. The problem there is the spam, not the outlet. And if it's RMT then Square's job is to deal with them. You can't lockdown and stop making anything new just because there's going to be some problems.

Posting group requests outside the game itself is fine but impractical, and not even new. Those things have always existed with forums since FFXI started. And you all know they don't work because only a fraction of players will waste time navigating to read your request for help thread tucked away in some nook on the internet. Let's say that I'm bored, and I'm curious to know what groups are forming. I flip my server chat filter off and go out to solo subs in the meantime. Now I can do stuff without idling in the city. Then if there's a group forming for something I need I can reply and get info right away.

The advantage is that a chat message is immediate. You see it and you know this person is looking as of right now. You are both there and ready in the game right now. When you post to a forum somewhere, will someone see it? Will it matter by the time they read it? FFXIAH has a nice bazaar feature that lets you show items you're selling and willing to buy. Some people do use it, but how much easier/more practical would it be to have instant messages in the game?

Proposing you make a server-wide "linkshell" type of deal is silly, as it accomplishes the exact same ends of one channel with an on/off filter. Except it needlessly complicates things. (Needless complication being something already overabundant in FFXI)

[Varchesis]

In a game that handles chat so well, I'd rather not see any changes to the chat system other than font choices and more chat-background-window textures/colors but that's meh at this point.

All the other MMOs have channels and most of them really don't even require chat at all other than for pickup groups. Server chat would be interesting but wouldn't solve PJ (or anyplace) over-crowding either. I feel people would still congregate in one central spot as that is how people are.

(Gather together.)

[Alhanelem]

any global chat would become a spam fest. No thanks.

[Naturebeckles]

I actually think that global chat is an excellent idea. No, I won't enjoy the sometimes stupid conversations going on in Port Jeuno right now, but the idea of actually PLAYING the game getting exp or working on weapons trials and catching an event in global chat that I'll want to go to would be a really awesome thing to happen in this game. I think the development team should highly consider it.

[Gwynplaine]

Server chat would be interesting but wouldn't solve PJ (or anyplace) over-crowding either. I feel people would still congregate in one central spot as that is how people are.

The main thrust of my suggestion isn't to solve congestion. It's to make completing goals and interacting with players easier. No matter what there will always be that one zone that is at least just a little more important and populated than others. That's just how reality works. But actually this can help me illustrate why it's needed.

Let's pretend that the upcoming changes to lessen congestion work great. Abyssea NPC's in the 3 nations, AH merging, and worthwhile Campaign make players spread out again. So now what? Now your chances of successfully forming a pickup group for that one troublesome mission you got stuck on are even worse than ever. FFXI has more zones than ever, and the players are more spread out than ever. Grouping wasn't so bad when Lower Jeuno or Whitegate were THE place. But there's no real single zone to go for grouping now, and it's gonna be less so with the upcoming (welcomed) changes.

[Zumi]

They should just make the Shout channel while in cities the same in every major city, Jeuno, Sandoria, Bastok, Windurst, Whitegate. Then you could easily make groups no matter what city players are currently in, and it be a lot easier to form groups to do stuff if more people can see it.

If you don't want to see it you can always turn shout off in the filters.

Problem solved.

[GlobalVariable]

They should just make the Shout channel while in cities the same in every major city, Jeuno, Sandoria, Bastok, Windurst, Whitegate. Then you could easily make groups no matter what city players are currently in, and it be a lot easier to form groups to do stuff if more people can see it.This. I really don't need to see {zone boss} {do you need it?} in the middle of say, Korroloka Tunnel. Which is what would happen. All those shouts would move to world chat.

[Raiyoh]

I think that would be a great idea! And players who don't care to have the extra spam wouldn't even have to pick it up, or equip it.

[Gwynplaine]

This. I really don't need to see {zone boss} {do you need it?} in the middle of say, Korroloka Tunnel. Which is what would happen. All those shouts would move to world chat.

Why should you have to go to towns to lookout for groups you're interested in? If I'm sitting in town there's not much I can do while I wait. You can talk to people, you can synth, you can stare toward the AH vapidly. I'd rather be out doing other things and still be free to look out for pickup groups than be confined to a city.

[GlobalVariable]

Why should you have to go to towns to lookout for groups you're interested in?

Why should I have to toggle a filter on and off when I zone to remove your log spam? I'm either a)going to get burried in spam because it will be abused far worse than normal shouts or a combined city shout would be or b)forget to turn the filter for it back off when I zone into town and miss something important.

If I'm outside at least I'm already doing something worthwhile unless I'm doing something horribly mundane (which isn't that different from being bored in town) because there was nothing worthwhile to do. And I certainly hope you don't intend to just up and ditch something you joined just because something shinier got shouted.

For what its worth if they say they can't program shout that way, I'd except the inevitable spam deluge that world chat would bring over no changes at all.

tl;dr
Both situations have inconveniences, we have differing opinions on which one we prefer. I don't see anything to more to discuss/debate/questions to ask about it. /shrug

[Burmecia]

I came across a similar suggestion for this in another thread, and I liked their idea of having a 3 minute cooldown to prevent spamming in the channel. There are many times where I wish I could find people for a specific event, but couldn't, and this could be a good possible solution for that just as long as the channel is filterable and can be turned off/on.

That being said, I wish the seacom system was more widely used and made much more efficient as well. If that was fixed I don't see as much of a need for this, though I still wouldn't really mind it.

[Gwynplaine]

There's good reasons no one uses seacoms. Usually I only see them for things like magian, and indicating lotting. Or leaving moronic messages like "Kitty meow meow time now!". Hardly any NA ever use them and heres why.

-They're passive. Once you set one it remains and it could be old, you send someone a tell and they say like "oh yeah I was looking but now Im in an ls event" etc.
-You can only set one purpose with limited description. But there can be any number of things you might be interested in doing.
-They reset after you logout or D/C. It's Annoying to have to restate your seacom every time you reenter thee game.
-Most people particularly NA don't ever use them anyways.

[Kimikryo]

the world channel got even canceld in EU WoW because of all the spam, and I am happy that this isnt included in FFXI
City Channel would be cool instead of city zone only. SO for each city, in the city it self, you see shouts from port also in the other city zones

[Icestein]

the world channel got even canceld in EU WoW because of all the spam, and I am happy that this isnt included in FFXI
City Channel would be cool instead of city zone only. SO for each city, in the city it self, you see shouts from port also in the other city zones

See, I don't like the idea of a universal chat channel, but will often find myself putting off other, more productive, things and instead opting to sit in port jeuno in case a shout that interests me pops up. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to being able to view a zones shouts in a different area, especially if I could only contribute to it if I was in the zone.

[Lithera]

Would love a world wide shout/chat channel for the times my 2 social LSes were not in AFK land. Also would come in handy to escape the occasional bad party. If you have never been in one then you are a lucky sob. Also what if you just logged on somewhere else besides your server's shout zone and didn't know someone was looking for help on this or that but ur LS mates didn't know right away that you just got on? Or were on a mule crafting in a starter city or sending stuff to your main? Not everyone is gonna know the names of your mules nor does everyone have then in jeuno either.

[rog]

the world channel got even canceld in EU WoW because of all the spam, and I am happy that this isnt included in FFXI
City Channel would be cool instead of city zone only. SO for each city, in the city it self, you see shouts from port also in the other city zones5 min delay between shouts would make it impossible to spam.

[Xilk]

I've seen these discussions before. I think chat channels would be a fantastic idea. However, the devil is in the details, and being able to easily filter these completely OFF is a necessity.

I think if you had a channel for basically... every Seacom topic, which you can turn on or off at will would be just right.

How much of your gametime is wasted because you are shouting for a group? You are restricted to very few zones to have any reasonable hope of finding like minded gamers. The Seacom are decent, but they are not as powerful as global chat channels could be.
Keep a Trading channel JUST for trading. butying/selling all goes in one channel. No one else needs to see it or hear it at all.

MIssions? Well now you have 1 place to go to find people interested in the same mission or quest. And you can find them here no matter where else you are in Vana'diel. You could be farming crafting materials in the idle time while trying to find people for the quest or mission you are really aiming for.

Once your groups is assembled? turn off the chat filter.

Global chats would further alleviate congestion. You could make any place your 'home' and adventure out from there.

Chat channels are easier to moderate than the number of zones that exist in the game.

[Kimikryo]

5 min delay between shouts would make it impossible to spam.

a 5 min delay between shouts would make shouts for certain events impossible

[rog]

a 5 min delay between shouts would make shouts for certain events impossible
No it wouldn't. You don't need to shout more than once every 5 mins when trying to put a group together. Ever. Everyone in the world will see it (unless they have it filtered, in which case they clearly aren't interested). if they want to go, they'll go, and shouting more will not change that.

[Alhanelem]

^
Pretty much true. Shouting fequent is necessay in a single area because people come and go from the area. Such behavior isn't necessary if everyone is able to see it.

[Gwynplaine]

How about this:
3 different settings in chat filters as well as text commands.
Filter Off - The server chat filter is set to off and you will see all chat in any zone.
Contextual Filter - This setting automatically turns the filter off when entering towns and automatically turns it on outside towns.
Permanent On Filter - Server chat is filtered out completely until you turn it off again.

Type commands could be something like:
/servchat off
/servchat on
/servchat town

And it goes without saying that a minimum wait time between messages and standard things like the same limits that apply to shouts and tells now should be used.

[Gaspee]

It would eliminate the need for shouting, and would make it far easier to assemble a group. Coupled with an option to shut it off... it looks like a win/win to me!

[Zazhi]

A server wide chat channel is a great idea. As others have said, if you don't like it, filter it out. So many times, I have needed to do quests, avatar battles, missions, etc. and needed to shout for help. Not only would a server wide chat channel help out the person doing the shouting but it would also help other people who happen to hear it and need the same goal.

[GlobalVariable]

To the folks saying a wait between shouts: it doesn't even need to be 3 min to be effective. That seems pretty short till your in game where waiting the few seconds for that galka at the boat dock to MOVE seems like an eternity! A one minute wait would be plenty for non RMT bots who would just use multiple trial accounts to bypass it anyway.


How about this:
3 different settings in chat filters as well as text commands.
Filter Off - The server chat filter is set to off and you will see all chat in any zone.
Contextual Filter - This setting automatically turns the filter off when entering towns and automatically turns it on outside towns.
Permanent On Filter - Server chat is filtered out completely until you turn it off again.

Type commands could be something like:
/servchat off
/servchat on
/servchat town

And it goes without saying that a minimum wait time between messages and standard things like the same limits that apply to shouts and tells now should be used.

If they can program it that way, works for me. They also need to be on top of their spam filter code though so RMT don't rotate trials in and result in more posts demanding nooblets not be able to talk. That we get many nooblets these days @.@;

[Amerlyn]

I actually see no problem with this, it would help free up congestion in cities. A person could "Shout" for help with something and not over crowd an area. I know it would help free up my connection some (only able to use Verizon Wireless 3g where I live or dial-up).

SE could always create some kind of "Horn" that allows the person to make so many "Shouts" before it breaks. Make it cost gil. That way if someone wants to spam, they use they're own gil (hopefully going broke trying) doing it.

Also agree to have a filter on this if you want. I mean worse case senario, you have to take 30secs out of ur game time and turn a filter on? I'm sure anyone can spare 30seconds, whats that compared to an update? compared to a week?

Its a good idea, I agree with it. And honestly the only people i see arguing the point are people who seem to be too lazy to turn on a filter... not really a valid arguement.

[GlobalVariable]

SE could always create some kind of "Horn" that allows the person to make so many "Shouts" before it breaks. Make it cost gil. That way if someone wants to spam, they use they're own gil (hopefully going broke trying) doing it.Added hassle and -inventory...


seem to be too lazy to turn on a filter... not really a valid arguement. Having to turn it on and off every time I zone in/out is a hassle as is not wanting to lose an inventory slot and have to pay for finding members. Its more hassle I don't need. The suggestion of a town setting, if its possible, is enough for me, but don't tell me the opinions of others are less valid than your own.

If you had to toggle it every sticking time manually..Ugh. That shouldn't need explaining. Come on.

[Amerlyn]

Added hassle and -inventory...

Having to turn it on and off every time I zoen in/out is a hassle as is not wanting to lose an inventory slot and have to pay for finding members. Its more hassle I don't need. The suggestion of a town setting, if its possible, is enough for me, but don't tell me the opinions of others are less valid than your own.

You you had to toggle it every sticking time manually..Ugh. That shouldn't need explaining. Come on.

I would appreciate if you changed your tone. Everything you said seemed like a bash at my intellegence. I don't know if your having a bad night, or you are just this insulting to everyone, but clearly you missed my point. It was my opinion that the nay sayers ARGUEMENT was INVALID.. not they're OPINION! A filter stays on/off no matter if you are ZONING or not. If your filters turn off/on when you zone you have a problem. It is my OPINION that anyone who cannot type in a simple command to turn a filter on/off is LAZY. Laziness in my OPINION is not a valid arguement. I'm sorry if you took any offense to my comment. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at lazy people in general. In fact I hope your not offended now.

As for the "Horn" idea. I never said anything about it taking up inventory space. It could be a Key Item. And i would have to agree with you about the gil part, it does make it a hassle. But I wasn't thinking of normal players. I was thinking of players who like to abuse things like that. Who like to spam shout with nonsense, so people don't see your shout for help b/c chat is moving by so quickly they missed it (but then again SE did set it up where u can enlarge chat and choose the chat you want to look at.

Also I never said a persons opinion is less valid than my own. In fact mine could be less valid than theirs, so please do not attack me because you misinterpreted and took offense to something you misunderstood. I'm trying to be civil, but honestly you just upset me and i'm finding it hard to do so. Maybe I shouldn't have worded it the way I did. But that is no reason to bash my intelligence. Again if you feel I have insulted you, I apologize, I am trying not to.

[GlobalVariable]

Gah. I edited that post and still manage to miss typos and copy+paste errors.



A filter stays on/off no matter if you are ZONING or not. If your filters turn off/on when you zone you have a problem. I have to filter world chat to not see it outside of town. I have to turn it back off to see it in town(unless there is a town setting). If I leave it on, I won't see ANY people trying to form groups because they will all be in world chat.

My saying it shouldn't need explained is not "bashing". Calling people who express this concern lazy (which I am one of) is insulting. Please don't do that.


*edit*
I just saw your thread about player bashing, when I 1st read your reply to me here I felt you might possibly be baiting me, now that I saw your thread I think you just ran into 1 to many jerks and were overly sensitive here because of them. That and didn't realize how you came off in your own post I was in reply to.

[Amerlyn]

I feel the need to reiterate my opinion.
It is just my opinion that anyones arguement for disagreeing that is based off of being too lazy to turn on/off a filter is invalid. In my opinion, laziness IS invalid.

As an example of laziness being invalid: Your in a party with a 90war who is using lvl30 weapons. And their only arguement for not getting better gear is they just didn't feel like going out and getting new gear. I don't think ANYONE would see that as a valid excuse.

Another example of an invalid arguement to me: ps2 limitations. yes i completely understand you wont be effected by the decision either way (at least until u upgrade to a better system). But it still isn't a good reason to argue with. Your opinion does matter. You can still agree or disagree with an idea being good, even if it doesn't effect u currently.

So all I am saying that is invalid is the arguement that supports the opinion. If its based off of pure laziness to type in a simple command, that is not a good arguement. I'm not saying your opinion that you don't like the idea is invalid. Just the arguement behind it is. Laziness to me is not an excuse.

As to the bashing thing, last night i was tired and took your words hard, i apologize. I have run a cross alot of rude people. Especially in game. I just returned to game 2weeks ago, after not being able to play for 2+yrs. Alot of people have been understanding of this and I haven't been given any grief over relearning macros and the game. But I have had experiences where I was in a zone and forgot how to get places, asked for directions or help in general and just been ignored. As with the bashing, I can't say I have been bashed. But I can say I have seen people bashed, name calling and such and I dont agree with it. Especially in a public area. I don't get how people get off on making people feel inferior. Its repulsive. All it proves is how much of a prick someone can be, and provokes the others into doing it too. Unfortuantely were all human so have to find some way to thrive off another's pain. I am begining to ramble off subject.

I do apologize if my statement offended. I just do not agree with an arguement based off of laziness. As far as turning on and off filters. It isn't more of a hassel than say doing an LS event. When someone would do Dynamis/Sky most LS would tell they're members to turn off everything except LS/Party chat to reduce lag. Yes it could become a hassel. But its not an arguement. The idea is good. The OP even stated a command where it was only on while in cities. So that in itself stops the hassel of turning it on and off all the time. I can see your arguement, I can even somewhat understand how if your the type turn it on/off constantly it would pose a problem. But honestly, I don't see people turning it on and off constantly. They turn it off when looking for help for something. They find help, turn it on and do the event. Then they either keep it turned on and do stuff solo or turn it on to look for help again. If a person is too lazy to turn it on and wants to complain about about spam or lag its not an arguement. The OP supplied an idea and way to make it tolerable. If you don't agree with the idea.. thats fine. But if you want to back it by saying its too much of a hassle to turn on and off a filter, don't just leave it at that, add to it.. make a suggestion you feel would make it more tolerable.. leaving it at just that puts off the view of laziness, there is no structure to support your arguement. Honestly Filters is the only sound reason I can see where this idea won't become a complete issue. If you see another reason that is better, state it. Finish the idea and don't leave it lacking.

Btw, I am not referring to you as GlobalVariable, I am referring to you as in the nay says. Its fine to disagree, just dont dis a single idea w/out giving an idea of your own to improve it. Put more reason besides "its too much of a hassel to type in a command" (again and i'm being repetative this just feels like laziness in my opinion). Add something in. "Its too much of a hassel having to type this command, why not do it this "way"?" Put a little more depth and structure to your arguement, back it up. Improve on it. And don't complain b/c I think its lazy, go back and improve/add to your arguement. Make it more solid. I'm not bashing you as an individual, in fact i hope i'm not bashing at all (though I might be bashing the arguements, thought that is what an arguement is. Arguing politely (no name calling or making someone feel inferior) and trying to prove/disprove an idea). Again I should have been a little more in depth with my statement and I apologize.

All I ask is for a more solid reasoning. Don't leave the arguement open and not finish it.

I hope I explained my part better, I am fully rested and had time to think my words out thoroughly before continuing. I also hope I didnt offend anyone. I do not mean to, but it happens (every person varies, a person could get offended by the word "apple" (possibly had a bad experience with it)). And if i did so I apologize.

[Jamesruglia]

(Server lag) (Shout) (No, thanks.)

I like the idea about seeing more text and "feeling more alive"... But I'd worry too much about the channels being perpetually turned off anyway due to spam or obnoxious comments-the kind that have always tended to clutter non-helpmeout Jeuno and Whitegate shouts anyway.

[Izzybella]

Altana help us...NOOOOOO

[Barabas]

What about an option to remote-view other zone's shouts? it won't make any huge alteration to how shouts are used for groups at the moment, and you can merely select the zones you would like to view remotely. Ex. Port Jeuno, plus any zones where a mission/NM you want is located. Those who have no interest see no real change to how shouts are used, but those interested in doing other things can see the shouts they want to see. No serverwide spam, only the shouts from the places you are interested in.

[GlobalVariable]

a lot of text

I'm just going to use this part rather than quote the mountain.


Yes it could become a hassel. But its not an arguement. The idea is good. The OP even stated a command where it was only on while in cities. I brought the town thing to your attention in my post, it wasn't part of the original OP, you don't get to use it to say the argument was invalid after the fact. Everything I said, hinged on that feature and I stated so. The "nay say"ing was all before that feature was discussed in thread. Who it's all "at" doesn't matter especially when you can see I'm in the group you are addressing. And if someone act offended by "apple" I'm going to assume its trolling/flame baiting because that is simply not a reasonable reaction.


As with the bashing, I can't say I have been bashed. But I can say I have seen people bashed, name calling and such and I dont agree with itLike calling a bunch of people you disagree with lazy. You said something I found offensive, I called you on it. I said something you found offensive, you called me on it. Lets not make this go 5 pages of explaining because of it.

[GlobalVariable]

What about an option to remote-view other zone's shouts? it won't make any huge alteration to how shouts are used for groups at the moment, and you can merely select the zones you would like to view remotely. Ex. Port Jeuno, plus any zones where a mission/NM you want is located. Those who have no interest see no real change to how shouts are used, but those interested in doing other things can see the shouts they want to see. No serverwide spam, only the shouts from the places you are interested in.That's a pretty cool idea.

[Amerlyn]

I'm done with arguing with you. Its obviously pointless. You keep thinking I am targeting you. You think you are in the group I mentioned, or at least seem to think I think you are (I don't). You took offense to something i said, I apologized for it. Yet continue to berate me for it. I am just gonna reword this one more time. And then if you continue to insist I am going after you I will take your advice and just use the ignore feature.

Again, I am sorry if you are feel you are in the group I am targeting, but honestly don't think you are. I am not arguing with you to say I am right. I am arguing with you so you can at least understand my opinion. I've already explained I can understand your view of how frustrating it could get typing turning something on/off all the time. And I only noted the "Town Feature" b/c I seen you agreed with the OP about it. Now to reiterate my opinion (a statement that is neither true or false, but is ones own thought on a certain matter) once more. It is my Opinion that anyone who believes it is too difficult or over taxing to type a simple command to turn a feature on or off i consider lazy. It is my opinion also that if you are going to use this as an excuse to disagree with, you should at least opt in an additional suggestion that you think will work. If you asked for a players opinion on something, are you going to settle with "I disagree(don't like it)" or "I disagree(dont like it) b/c I don't like this idea about it".. wouldn't you want a little more? Maybe a suggestion to improve on the idea? I'm not sure about you, but i sure do not like my ideas being shot down because of one detail. An idea is there to be improved upon, if a person doesn't like a detail they should at least suggestion something else in place of that detail.

Now for the reason why I don't associate you with the group I am targeting. You may have disagreed with one feature, but you didn't throw the idea out the door b/c of that one detail. Instead you remarked how the OPs idea of a town feature is a good idea and how you wouldn't mind the idea if it came with this feature.

I'm not going to apologize to you anymore on this subject. Either you understand me now, or you don't. I'm tired of apologizing for expressing my opinion.

Btw: the "apple" was an analogy.. obviously. My point there was you never know what a person is going to take offense to. It could be something you find stupid (or in my case lazy) but still set a person off. Please if you are going to quote me on something at least quote the whole thing and don't take it out of context. Its as bad as an attorney asking only questions that have answers to sway jury's to his/her side w/out showing the whole story behind it.

[Bigboy]

I feel like this would be predominantly filled with Gilseller spam.

[Etrigan]

Actually I agree with implementing Server Wide Chat Channels, And whereas we are not playing World of Warcraft we are playing one of the few games that does not have server wide channels. The reason why I am in favor is simply because we always have that one overcrowded zone, be it Jeuno or White gate. SE has been planning on adding Abyssea Teleport and Stone NPCs to the other nations which would alleviate overcrowding in zones, but make it MUCH more difficult to find people for shout groups to go ANYTHING. Having this new chat channel would make it a win win situation.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Please implement server wide chat..

+1 vote

[Sleven]

I played Everquest II for a few months. Ultimately i came back to FFXI. However there were a few elements about the game that would be beneficial to the development of SE based games.

First, the chat system have numerous customizable channels that you could turn on/off to better suit your needs. You could also "shout" into specific channels so the info your tryn to put out there has a better chance of reaching the ppl better suited to assist with what your doing. The best part of all of this is most the chat channels you talk into are viewable by anyone logged into the game and meet the certain requirements for the channel.(Race, level range, language preference, the list goes on.) This is one of the most well thought chat systems I've used.

As for a voice chat function. It was nice to have a guild specific chat server. However I don't see ffxi implementing one in the near future as SE has bandwidth issues on a regular basis as it is. It would be nice to have for FF(I know Xbox has one) but in honesty it would only bring down the functionality of the servers.

[GlobalVariable]

Dear mod admin person:

With no PM system I have no venue to speak with you other than to post. The post you deleted was no more off topic or inflammatory than the other posts you let stand.

I am just gonna reward this one more time. And then if you continue to insist I am going after you I will take your advice and just use the ignore feature.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1840-Stop-Player-Bashing?p=20964&viewfull=1#post20964

This poster is now acting like I've stalked them in a 2nd thread. I haven't even spoken to them, let alone about them, outside of this thread. Things like this obviously designed to cause anger get to stay but response stating I think I'm being baited gets removed. This isn't right.

[Chronofantasy]

I would love this feature implemented somehow. I remember seeing this type of topic somewhere in the suggestion section and then I suggested about the few minutes wait time to type something else in this server wide chat to avoid spam so people will only shout the group of people for the event they're looking for.

Luckily for me I have a secondary account and a character made to sit in Port Jeuno most of the day to watch out for shouts while I run around and solo quests and what not, but it'd be really helpful if I didn't need to have a character sit in Jeuno for me.

[Darkwizardzin]

Dear mod admin person:

Things like this post obviously designed to cause anger get to stay but response stating I think I'm being baited gets removed. This poster is now acting like I've stalked them in a 2nd thread. This isn't right.

designed to cause anger...? I think you are just looking for something to be anger about. This person only has stated her opinion (and apologized more then once for them.. even though in my opinion she didn't need to) and your acting like you have been attacked again and again.

I think you need to just move on and stop making something out of nothing.

[GlobalVariable]

I think you need to just move on and stop making something out of nothing.I didn't like people being called lazy.

The other person responded with a 9 paragraph post and saying I was bashing their intelligence.

I responded that we had both taken something the other said as offensive and asked for it to drop. They kept going, tossed out that "reward this comment" and accused me of following them in another thread. They've been acting like I attacked them from the beginning. Outside of this thread I have not spoken to or about them.

You quoted mid edit clarifying why I'm now ticked off. And we're more off topic now.

[svengalis]

I would love this. At least make a channel available in all main cities. It sucks having to sit and Jeuno and wait until I see a shout I want to see instead of doing something else outside of nothing.

[svengalis]

We're not WoW, we don't need channels.

You don't have to be WoW to make improvements to the game.

[Gwynplaine]

You don't have to be WoW to make improvements to the game.

The WoW accusations are ironic, because while WoW-like games are more casual, they are a lot easier to form groups in. While in FFXI there's more emphasis on grouping, but the game is unhelpful to do so. If anything FFXI would make more use of it.

[Gwynplaine]

If it's true that players are going to be more spread out once Abyssea NPCs are in main cities, plus old events like Dynamis are rebooted, it's gonna be harder than ever to shout to form a pickup group.