Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

[Economizer]

Solution: Add a new expansion. PS2 users cannot get it. Expansion adds areas that PS2 users cannot access, but X360/PC can. PS2 users still have access to everything that's already out.

BAM! The game continues to grow without locking PS2 users out of the game entirely. A solution is found.

I already knew this is exactly what would be said. It was very predictable.

That's why I wrote my example exactly the way I did. I did not say new areas - which would be what an expansion gets too - but new spells, gear, and abilities. And heavens forbid that SE ever wants to add another job, weapon class, or anything that can be taken to older areas. New anything will have to be in the RAM/Hard drive of older systems for various reasons.

Although I suppose you could get around it by not letting PS2 users buy any of the gear, see and of the gear, or log in if they own the new expansion. Except that isn't a solution. Basically, we will eventually hit this wall.

I only state that we should plan ahead for this in a slow manner that gives plenty of advanced notice and warnings, of about 1-2 years, and that anyone who opposes this wants FFXI not to get things, which spells death for an MMO.

Again, even if SE announced the PS2 would be dropped, it will take a lot of time. Legacy users will have plenty of time to upgrade or drop the platform over a lengthy transition period. There is no need to fear a transition, and anyone who takes the time to understand what a successful transition would entail and still opposes it is someone who wants the consequences - eventual death for FFXI.

I say that anyone who understands those consequences and accepts them has no place here.

[Minkaa]

Solution: Add a new expansion. PS2 users cannot get it. Expansion adds areas that PS2 users cannot access, but X360/PC can. PS2 users still have access to everything that's already out.

BAM! The game continues to grow without locking PS2 users out of the game entirely. A solution is found.

I like this idea. That also creates incentives for PS2 users to seriously consider upgrading so they can access the new content. Eventually, the ever-increasing amount of content only available to non-PS2 users would dwindle the PS2 population down to nothing, making this entire discussion moot.

[Vold]

They probably aren't looking to dump PS2 anyways. The more logical reasoning is that they are seeing if it's viable to further enhance this game on the PC. Like, whether or not a graphical upgrade is worth the effort. With the failure of FFXIV(thus far) I'm sure they are reconsidering their stance to some kind of an extent to toy around with 11 to gain customers sooner than later.

It's also possible they are looking into moving PS2/PC/360 users onto their own servers so that they can enhance the PC version without restriction with the ultimate goal of having everyone move on from the PS2 in time. In either case the last thing they are thinking is kicking PS2 users, imho.

[Eric]

All I see from this thread is PS2 users complaining about how poor they are.

Be better at life and then maybe when you can afford a worthwhile computer you will see why playing FFXI on PC is the superior experience.

Again: If you're worried about paying $60-$120 for a new computer ($120 includes the monitor), then you have bigger problems to deal with. Stop being terrible at life.

EDIT: As a university student with absolutely no financial support from my parents, I have managed to study full-time, and work enough so that I can start paying my student loans while I am still in school, and still have the spare money to spend on things like an iPhone(which includes the $80 per month cellphone bill). You're obviously not trying hard enough.

[Volkai]

I already knew this is exactly what would be said. It was very predictable.

That's why I wrote my example exactly the way I did. I did not say new areas - which would be what an expansion gets too - but new spells, gear, and abilities. And heavens forbid that SE ever wants to add another job, weapon class, or anything that can be taken to older areas. New anything will have to be in the RAM/Hard drive of older systems for various reasons.

Although I suppose you could get around it by not letting PS2 users buy any of the gear, see and of the gear, or log in if they own the new expansion. Except that isn't a solution. Basically, we will eventually hit this wall.

I only state that we should plan ahead for this in a slow manner that gives plenty of advanced notice and warnings, of about 1-2 years, and that anyone who opposes this wants FFXI not to get things, which spells death for an MMO.

Again, even if SE announced the PS2 would be dropped, it will take a lot of time. Legacy users will have plenty of time to upgrade or drop the platform over a lengthy transition period. There is no need to fear a transition, and anyone who takes the time to understand what a successful transition would entail and still opposes it is someone who wants the consequences - eventual death for FFXI.

I say that anyone who understands those consequences and accepts them has no place here.
By my understanding, it's possible to set different .dat IDs for gear on different platforms. That's part of what having a different client for PC/X360 than for PS2 would allow to be done. Thus, PS2 can still handle new spells, abilities, gear, monsters by using old .dats where other clients would use new .dat files.

[Volkai]

All I see from this thread is PS2 users complaining about how poor they are.

Be better at life and then maybe when you can afford a worthwhile computer you will see why playing FFXI on PC is the superior experience.

Again: If you're worried about paying $60-$120 for a new computer ($120 includes the monitor), then you have bigger problems to deal with. Stop being terrible at life.

EDIT: As a university student with absolutely no financial support from my parents, I have managed to study full-time, and work enough so that I can start paying my student loans while I am still in school, and still have the spare money to spend on things like an iPhone(which includes the $80 per month cellphone bill). You're obviously not trying hard enough.

Because clearly anybody not doing as well as you are must be a terrible person who does not deserve to play FFXI.

Your total lack of empathy for your fellow players should be shocking, but is depressingly unsurprising.

[Solonuke]

Being an European, I've always felt the PS2 excuse was dragged over my head as "Why we can't have nice things". I really wonder however how much the engine would have been improved if they dropped the PS2 support. These days the PC version is running like an old car, you're afraid of it to break down every second. Accidentally launching other full screen applications crashes it, ctrl+alt+delete on win 7 and vista crashes it (use ctrl+shift+delete instead), changing from 32 bit colors to 16 crashes it, alt tabbing during full screen crashes it, looking at it crashes it and so on. If all of these issues could be solved by nuking the PS2 into oblivion I'm all for that really.

Eventually PS2s will stop reading your discs and the HDD will stop storing data. I've replaced several PC HDDs over the years either because of they break or they're just outdated. Consoles break down over time which is normal for any console unless its an Atari 2600 which is built for lasting centuries which is not the case for the PS2 as it has moving parts inside. From what I have read buying an old PS2 new plus all the items you need in order to play FFXI are as expensive as a new TV and a computer good enough to run FFXI with everything maxed out.

[Volkai]

I'm gonna laugh if you fanatical PC-only people get your way and drive off all the PS2 players and the end result is FFXI no longer brings in enough money to justify keeping it up and running. FFXI dead at the hands of those who thought they were trying to save it from death.

Then I'll be sad because you killed FFXI for all of us.

Think on that.

[Teraniku]

Better for the game to die , then to live on in stagnation then.

[Volkai]

Better for the game to die , then to live on in stagnation then.

Okay, you go ahead and quit when they stop updating. I'm not done with FFXI until I've completed every level and merit of every job, finished every mission and quest, completed every side event, killed every NM, gotten every drop (even if I don't keep it), fully leveled every craft, acquired and fully upgraded every Artifact, Relic, Mythic, Empyrean and future strata of every armor and weapon and other item there is.

That's going to take a while. Even if they stopped updating FFXI today I probably wouldn't be done with it for at least five more years.



What? I don't have the time to devote to FFXI that I used to.

[Eric]

Because clearly anybody not doing as well as you are must be a terrible person who does not deserve to play FFXI.


Now you're getting a hang of it. I'm only thinking of my peers who would be better off trying to fix their lives instead of playing FFXI.

[Eric]

I'm gonna laugh if you fanatical PC-only people get your way and drive off all the PS2 players and the end result is FFXI no longer brings in enough money to justify keeping it up and running. FFXI dead at the hands of those who thought they were trying to save it from death.

Then I'll be sad because you killed FFXI for all of us.

Think on that.
Except the PS2 population isn't even as big as you think it is. Look at how few PS2 supporters there are here compared to PC users.

[FrankReynolds]

I really hope they put all the PS2 users on a Separate server and just cut support. That way they don't have to Axe them. They can just let them realize the mistake on their own.

[Joslyn]

Except the PS2 population isn't even as big as you think it is. Look at how few PS2 supporters there are here compared to PC users.

But then again this is the English side speaking up we have no idea whats happening on the Japanese side

[Ash]

But then again this is the English side speaking up we have no idea whats happening on the Japanese side

Actually i had a lot of fun with google translator this morning and i checked the japanese forums on this site.

There doesn t seem to be a topic about the survey but there is one about the ps2/ps3 and guess what? almost all of them play on ps2.

Don t get me wrong they are also asking for a port of the game for the ps3, but atm s-e said they wouldn t port it

So i don t know where everybody got their numbers( like that guy who said 6ppl played on the ps2) but it doesn t look like the ps2 version is going anywhere.

I hope this will shut up condescending idiots like eric who assume not buying a pc equal being poor.

Heres the link
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/792-FFXI%E3%80%80-PS2%E2%86%92PS3

[Eric]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14338-%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9A%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%EF%BC%B0%EF%BC%A3%E3%82%84%EF%BC%B0%EF%BC%B3%EF%BC%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%A9%E6%AC%A1%E4%B8%96%E4%BB%A3%E3%83%8F%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%82%92%E6%83%B3%E5%AE%9A%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%EF%BC%A6%EF%BC%A6%EF%BC%91%EF%BC%91%E3%82%92


Is interesting FF11, that incorporate any elements of the new content and over-capacity of the PS2 is a little lonely. Some also lonely face of the current graphics compare to the game again. FF11 is interesting because, rather than upgrade it with shaving shaving narrow lines, WS, magic, PC, NPC, in response to the new hardware will also continue to add new contents for renewed world graphic What should not. Also I think the PS2 user should respect, try to hear their views on what once ~ V and polling. Increase even if the content is also renewed ground, but high spec PC and transfer people to feel that the PS3 a lot.


Except that this thread is talking about the exact same thing we're asking for. WE can't upgrade WS, graphics, magic, PC, and NPCs due to PS2. They want an upgrade for PC and a port to PS3.

EDIT: And yeah, if you can't buy a $60 PC, you're poor. There's no getting around that. It's a miracle that you were able to afford FFXI in the first place. The PS2 game and HDD cost ~$100 for quite a while, but now a $60 PC is too expensive?

Wow, if that's the case, then some of you have really let your lives go downhill.

[Ash]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14338-%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9A%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%EF%BC%B0%EF%BC%A3%E3%82%84%EF%BC%B0%EF%BC%B3%EF%BC%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%A9%E6%AC%A1%E4%B8%96%E4%BB%A3%E3%83%8F%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%82%92%E6%83%B3%E5%AE%9A%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%EF%BC%A6%EF%BC%A6%EF%BC%91%EF%BC%91%E3%82%92



Except that this thread is talking about the exact same thing we're asking for. WE can't upgrade WS, graphics, magic, PC, and NPCs due to PS2. They want an upgrade for PC and a port to PS3.

EDIT: And yeah, if you can't buy a $60 PC, you're poor. There's no getting around that. It's a miracle that you were able to afford FFXI in the first place, since the PS2 game and HDD cost ~$100 for quite a while, but now a $60 PC is too expensive?

Wow, if that's the case, then some of you have really let your lives go downhill.

Im glad to see you can t make the difference between not wanting to spend 100$ on an outdated computer that will only run ff11(especially when your ps2 can play it fine) and being poor...i think you should go back to school because clearly you still have a lot to learn about life.

[Eric]

I make $100 if I work on a Saturday. I'm a college student. If you can't spare that much money, you're poor.

If you want to make the argument that you're being smart with your money, NEWS FLASH: You're spending at least $156 per year on FFXI. If you're playing this game, you have no right talking about how you don't want to "waste" money.

If anything, it would be a good investment. By buying a PC, you'd be able to play FFXI at higher settings with more options to do things like using the official windowed mode to surf the ffxi wiki when you need help with things. Not to mention, it won't break down nearly as easily as a PS2. If you ever play anything other than FFXI on your PS2, chances are that you are wearing down the (cheap) PS2 laser and eventually you'll start getting disk read errors. Never mind HDD issues which are also a problem.

[Eric]

By the way, here's another thread about JP players who are against PS2 limitations.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/5796

Unlike other people here, I actually have evidence for my claims.


There are PS2 and one of the platforms that currently support
users have suffered many other platforms such as: the inconvenience it becomes a bottleneck. • New extended DISK No content of this new content system just by turning • Existing use of the content items out of the bag limit of 80 · inconvenience caused by the addition of the job or not - New Abilities • The number of rows and macro development, a new menu hierarchy No Continue Strengthening the rule of parallel icon display limitations of alliances and HP · MP · PT - Window design failure of the item name or description of the character limit · item description character limit what Daijina · PS2 • Development of capabilities not able to achieve 100% is limited because of the turning-use graphical existing equipment · turn to use a MAP existing MAP of the area - New lacking in freshness shape • The Monster Troy UI Mossari inconvenient · font dirty · still There, these are all the result of considering the PS2. I now I play on PS2 is bad, I feel there is a limit to update the other while considering the PS2. FF11 basic PC specs, if the average is now widely used you can play comfortably, is that our clients need to download. Capacity becomes a bottleneck if the development side, while using the system developed inconvenient FF11 old will have more substantial hardship, and "the current system difficult" and said the results only, as its user Not satisfied with the answer is negative chain of positive and does not benefit anyone. To improve existing content or create something new, a real improvement unless the fundamental lack of resources I think is impossible. (Specs of the PS2 at the same time of course) has raised the demand for even more development in the forum, I also need to revisit their environment if the user also has a variety of needs. The only hope their efforts on the development side is not fair. === stakeholders toward development: I have to go in and start the presentation of the benefits of migrating active relief campaign for the PS2 and user-think What I think ~ V. Feeling of hope is better FF11 even PC users can PS2 users is the same but has received the opinion of various current debate just us there is a limit , we sought the views from the development side . ■ ■ there are three questions a. such remedy or promotions associated with the transition to PS2 users will do the hardware available? 2. adding new areas such as new jobs and not turn to use the new content or extended time there? 3. What is the planned development of FF11 turning while the use of graphical content with existing systems and future long? For this matter, please answer us. Thank you. ===


EDIT:


The business also sell PC, now and would become affordable cheap too
They're also suggesting that PCs are affordable and cheap.

[Ash]

I make $100 if I work on a Saturday. I'm a college student. If you can't spare that much money, you're poor.

If you want to make the argument that you're being smart with your money, NEWS FLASH: You're spending at least $156 per year on FFXI. If you're playing this game, you have no right talking about how you don't want to "waste" money.

If anything, it would be a good investment. By buying a PC, you'd be able to play FFXI at higher settings with more options to do things like using the official windowed mode to surf the ffxi wiki when you need help with things. Not to mention, it won't break down nearly as easily as a PS2. If you ever play anything other than FFXI on your PS2, chances are that you are wearing down the (cheap) PS2 laser and eventually you'll start getting disk read errors. Never mind HDD issues which are also a problem.

See, you just assumed i don t own a pc where in fact i do. and no spending 100$ on an outdated machine just to play one game is not a good investment

[Eric]

See, you just assumed i don t own a pc where in fact i do. and no spending 100$ on an outdated machine just to play one game is not a good investment

Feel free to ignore everything else i said, including the part where I said that you ALREADY invested $100 to play the game a few years ago, so you are either calling yourself stupid, or you are admitting that it is a worthwhile investment.

Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that JP players also hate the PS2. After all, by doing so, you are making the conversation about how poor you are rather than whether or not people support the discontinuation of the PS2.

[Ash]

By the way, here's another thread about JP players who are against PS2 limitations.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/5796

Unlike other people here, I actually have evidence for my claims.



EDIT:


They're also suggesting that PCs are affordable and cheap.

Thats the very second post of your topic, for every japanese player bashing the ps2 i could post 1 that plays on it, we could go at it till we bore the crap out of this forum...


People what's PS2, I'll do I will still know the
Nde, the problem is related to the PC as well as in ranging PS2
FF11's just not a suitable PC, right thread I already built that has been almost no stock
The business is also selling the PC, and now they have become too cheap and affordable treatment should be terminated the shop Chau

Unfortunately, the continued long So I Do not FF11 will not go
It also also, I think it's because the PS3
Strange extreme + 構成Rashiku PS2 is not compatible PS3, the PS3 version of FF11 of making do and making it equal to the effort a new game,
Because it is a way to survive by loss of a pair of PS2
Since quite some number of games people play in the game a strange thought, that is compatible with the PS3 I can not help it Do not I already


Xbox360 version is a very bad reputation, not That I Do not run from the PC version can be ported to some extent lazy
Transplant itself was run by lazy, but because it has succeeded, what would we have felt like running on the emulator
It has a lot to handle heavier but ridiculously enough if that should work with original Xbox360
So if you cut corners out with a version of PS3, the following version of Xbox360, it can not be less than the product, probably


PS: the source of the PS3 version that 出Senai


bottom line is i posted a link who got 230ish replies your has 344

even if only 50% of the people who replied play on ps2 that is still a lot for a small sample of the population via 1 website

[Eric]

Yeah the thing you just posted is asking for a PS3 port bc the xbox port was lazy (which i agree on). Nobody wants PS2, they either want discontinuation or a PS3 port.

By the way, there is no link, no quote of who posted it, and really it's just a mess because you failed to highlight the important parts. Instead all we see is a bunch of JP google translate gibberish. Learn to post better.

[FrankReynolds]

LMAO at posting links to people complaining about the PS2 in Japanese as evidence that they should keep it.

[Ash]

Yeah the thing you just posted is asking for a PS3 port bc the xbox port was lazy (which i agree on). Nobody wants PS2, they either want discontinuation or a PS3 port.

By the way, there is no link, no quote of who posted it, and really it's just a mess because you failed to highlight the important parts and instead all we see is a bunch of JP google translate gibberish. Learn to post better.\

Just curious how many of the post in the link you posted have you translated? Cuz don t get me wrong they want a ps3 port i ll give you that the thing is it doesn t exist yet and s-e has no plan to make one. So you cut ps2 tommorrow you also cutting ps3 players and that is a lot more people than you seem to imagine.

Oh and for the highlight thing im sorry im just a poor firefighter with no education unlike you who seem to know it all/

[Ash]

LMAO at posting links to people complaining about the PS2 in Japanese as evidence that they should keep it.

If you would read most of the post even if they hate it most of them play on ps2/ps3...

[Eric]

By the way, the post I linked to by DSK has 97 likes. SOOOO many JP players are against dropping PS2, aren't they?

The point that I'm trying to make here is simple. The argument that SE shouldn't drop PS2 support because the Japanese love the PS2 is total garbage. There are tons of valid reasons for why PS2 support should be dropped. This survey is an indication that SE has thought these same things.

By the way, from the same thread:

The PS2 is already broken, for me personally migrated to the PC is a great favor for a
career or how to convince the PS2 users, I'll have to take.

EDIT: and more

The PS2 is also proposed to terminate service basically I agree. The reason
　was revealed that the capacity problems of VU last HDD in ①. The limitations come in the near future Good luck cheating is cheating, because Square Enix desperate.
　That life itself came hard ② PS2.
　It may have become a stumbling block in the development of FF11

[Eric]

no education
That explains it all.

[Ash]

By the way, the post I linked to by DSK has 97 likes. SOOOO many JP players are against dropping PS2, aren't they?

The point that I'm trying to make here is simple. The argument that SE shouldn't drop PS2 support because the Japanese love the PS2 is total garbage. There are tons of valid reasons for why PS2 support should be dropped. This survey is an indication that SE has thought these same things.

By the way, from the same thread:

When did i say the loved the ps2? i said they played on it or ps3 and that there is way more that use those version than you might think.

Also you should stop with the condescending crap nobody thinks your cool or intelligent with your attitude.

[Eric]

nobody thinks your cool or intelligent with your attitude.

There seems to be a trend here. Mostly you speaking for entire groups of people. I'm not trying to seem cool or intelligent, BTW.

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[Ash]

There seems to be a trend here. Mostly you speaking for entire groups of people. I'm not trying to seem cool or intelligent by the way. By the way, that's not how I talk to everyone. Just people who deserve it.

Deserve it because i don t agree with you? because i personally think that dropping ps2 support without at least a ps3 port means the death of the game? you really need to enlighten me with your wisdom on that one.

Oh and btw in your infinite wisdow, on what system do i play ff11?

[Eric]

No you don't deserve it because you've shown yourself to be someone who doesn't really think before he posts, and also someone who selfishly would rather watch the game die than watch PS2 support be dropped.

Also, I don't know or care what system you play FFXI on. I'm not the mind reader here.

Or are you assuming that I'm infinitely wise because I go to university? That's a common mistake that uneducated commoners tend to make. You are forgiven.

Back to the subject at hand, I think that SE should post the results of the survey with the next version update or something. I'm curious to see the numbers.

[Arcon]

LMAO at posting links to people complaining about the PS2 in Japanese as evidence that they should keep it.

This. It's true that many Japanese people play on PS2 (relatively), but the arguments are exactly the same as here. And no one of us here would be complaining either if SE ported the game to the PS3. While it's a console, and therefore also static, it could well be another 20 years before FFXI becomes unplayable on that. Fact is, they complain about PS2 as much as we do and want the same thing.

People who wanna play it on PS2 have brought me the following reasons so far:
- They can't afford a PC
If money is your only issue, it's a non-issue. Incredibly cheap PCs are available everywhere, and if you still have a PC from the last five years, chances are it can play FFXI as good or better as the PS2.

A popular counter-argument to this is: "It's not for you to judge what's cheap!" Which would be true, if I didn't know your regular expenses. I may not know all of them, but I know some of them (assuming you're actually paying for your FFXI account), and if there are more, the argument just becomes more valid. And seeing how it's not much more than some of your regular payment options to upgrade to a PC, it's actually appropriate to call it cheap.

- They wanna play on a TV
Can do that with the PC and any TV from the last decade. May need to buy an adapter (~$5).

- They wanna play with a controller
Can do that with the PC and your current controller. Again, may need to buy an adapter (~$5).

A popular counter-argument to the last two is: "I just wanna play, I don't wanna deal with all of this stuff, I don't have the computer-knowledge to make it work!" Obviously, however, you have internet access, where you can find an easy 3-step solution to make the controller work. There aren't any solutions online to connecting it to the TV, because literally all you have to do is plug it in.

- They like the smoothness and graphics
PC does it better. It won't exceed 30 FPS though, because that's what FFXI is hard capped at. It doesn't on your PS2 either, for that matter.

- They like playing on PS2
As weird as this reason sounds, it's the only valid argument I've seen people bring here, because it's a matter of personal preference, instead of factual accuracy (or inaccuracy) as the previous arguments. If that is really the case, then I hope for you, that they don't cancel the PS2. I still hope for everyone else though, that they do.

Note that this is just the "Con" column of the argument, which can effectively be reduced to 1 argument, which is personal preference. The "Pro" column on the other hand goes on and on. And I truly believe that if you really are against it for that one valid reason, you could be convinced once you see the benefits of the PC version. You should try it out and see for yourself, several people here already confirmed how the switch affected them, and that they're better off on the PC now.

[FrankReynolds]

Funny, towards the end of that thread they are all complaining about how expensive it is to get PS2s repaired.

[Ash]

No you don't deserve it because you've shown yourself to be someone who doesn't really think before he posts, and also someone who selfishly would rather watch the game die than watch PS2 support be dropped.

Also, I don't know or care what system you play FFXI on. I'm not the mind reader here.

Or are you assuming that I'm infinitely wise because I go to university? That's a common mistake that uneducated commoners tend to make. You are forgiven.


let ask you this do you know exactly how many people worldwide play on ps2? because what if there is enough of them(thats a hint about the system i play on btw) that suddently the game isn t profitable anymore? If the S-E account system epic fail taugh us anything its that people do not like change

And commoner, seriously who are you the queen of england?

[Ash]

Funny, towards the end of that thread they are all complaining about how expensive it is to get PS2s repaired.

Isnt that a hint that not only do they play on the system, but have no intention of switching to another system?

[Eric]

Isnt that a hint that not only do they play on the system, but have no intention of switching to another system?

Or it could be them just talking about how playing on PS2 is a hassle. Neither of us know. The difference is that you're blindly assuming things just because it will benefit your cause.

[FrankReynolds]

let ask you this do you know exactly how many people worldwide play on ps2? because what if there is enough of them(thats a hint about the system i play on btw) that suddently the game isn t profitable anymore? If the S-E account system epic fail taugh us anything its that people do not like change

And commoner, seriously who are you the queen of england?

Who are you? Caesar Chavez? There will be no PS2 lovers Union Boycott of FFXI. People who love the game will play it however they can.

[Ash]

Or it could be them just talking about how playing on PS2 is a hassle. Neither of us know. The difference is that you're blindly assuming things just because it will benefit your cause.

I could say the exact same thing about you....and my cause, again your highness your assuming...

[Eric]

I could say the exact same thing about you....and my cause, again your highness your assuming...

Oh so you mean you're not blatantly talking about how PS2 support shouldn't be dropped? It doesn't take someone educated to figure that out. It's not hard to see your position when this is a 2-sided debate.

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Regardless of whether or not PS2 support should be dropped, no good argument can be made against the fact that it is holding down further development of FFXI.

[Ash]

Who are you? Caesar Chavez? There will be no PS2 lovers Union Boycott of FFXI. People who love the game will play it however they can.

How could they boycott if they plaftorm is dropped? Its still lost revenu to a game who doesn t have millions of players. You know at one point it stops being profitable when theres not enough ppl playing it right?

[Eric]

It's also lost revenue if people start quitting because SE can't continue to add content to the game. (Hint: A lot of players will eventually finish everything there is to do if PS2 support keeps the game from advancing.)

If we want to continue to assume things, it'll always be a lose-lose situation. I'd rather take the path that allows for the game to grow.

[Ash]

Oh so you mean you're not blatantly talking about how PS2 support shouldn't be dropped? It doesn't take someone educated to figure that out. It's not hard to see your position when this is a 2-sided debate.

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Regardless of whether or not PS2 support should be dropped, no good argument can be made against the fact that it is holding down further development of FFXI.

Lol you do realise i play on pc too right(sorry i had to tell you, you couldn t seem to get it)

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Again the reason i am against the dropping the ps2 is because i think it will kill the game, you do not have to agree, but it is what i think and why that arcon fellow suggested moving the ps2 players to their own server.

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[Ash]

It's also lost revenue if people start quitting because SE can't continue to add content to the game. (Hint: A lot of players will eventually finish everything there is to do if PS2 support keeps the game from advancing.)

If we want to continue to assume things, it'll always be a lose-lose situation. I'd rather take the path that allows for the game to grow.


The thing about this thread is actually fascinating in the quitting department.Because a lot of PC user are really angry its easy to tell, but at the same time none of US ever mentioned quitting over it.

[Eric]

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Of course PC users aren't saying they will quit. That's because there is still plenty of content to go around. Once development slows down due to PS2 limitations the story will be different.

Eventually people will run out of things to do in game. Then they will quit. Not due to anger, but due to boredom.

[Arcon]

gain the reason i am against the dropping the ps2 is because i think it will kill the game, you do not have to agree, but it is what i think and why that arcon fellow suggested moving the ps2 players to their own server.

Wasn't me and I don't think that. I think it's not a bad idea though, not from a business standpoint but to not force anyone to quit. Simply to be nice to the PS2 playerbase. No one here hates them or wants them gone. I also believe what FrankReynolds said is true, that people who love the game will keep playing, one way or another.

But dropping the PS2 would not kill the game in any way. For one, it requires a lot less players than people think to keep FFXI viable. Even with just 10k players on one server, it would still be SE's biggest cash cow. Secondly, as I said, people who wanna play will move to another system eventually. I think more people would quit (or did quit) about the payment change than the dropping of the PS2 ever could.

Another thing that people forgot to mention so far is that if the PS2 is actually dropped, and the game would advance in the way many people would see it to (more inventory for one, better macros, better UI (possibly including some Windower features), possibly even new expansions) it would attract a lot of the old playerbase back, possibly even some new people. SE didn't realize yet that in the MMOG market it's all about the image. If people think the company sucks, they won't play their game. If people are hearing good things, they might give it a shot. PS2 limitations are holding back a lot of development, which is infringing heavily on the game quality.

People and their opinions are a lot more fickle on MMOGs than normal games, because to try it out usually only costs ~10 bucks (as opposed to 50~60 bucks involved in buying a brand new game). So if they hear good things they're a lot more likely to give it a shot. Image matters and SE needs to get it right. It's why XIV will never, ever be popular again, even if it becomes a great game (it's already a good game, it underwent several major changes in the last year). And they risk running XI into the same dead end.

[Ash]

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Of course PC users aren't saying they will quit. That's because there is still plenty of content to go around. Once development slows down due to PS2 limitations the story will be different.

Eventually people will run out of things to do in game. Then they will quit. Not due to anger, but due to boredom.

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and lastly tell me what is the ps2 fault that it took s-e 3years to finish wotg? like someone said earlier he could play this game for 5 years and still have stuff to do( and judging by your account so do you)

Let s-e worry about the content and enjoy whats already out ok?

[Ash]

SE didn't realize yet that in the MMOG market it's all about the image.

This line alone resumes the problem
S-E has done a very good job of alienating they customer base over the years and your at a point where everybody is unhappy, i mean the ps2/xbox version are buggy as hell, pc players can t get nice things and then there was the account transfer nightmare. add into the mix all the years where the game stalled because they were working on 14 and that leave me little faint in their decision making anymore,but call me insane i still love this game.

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[FrankReynolds]

How could they boycott if they plaftorm is dropped? Its still lost revenu to a game who doesn t have millions of players. You know at one point it stops being profitable when theres not enough ppl playing it right?

Well, They could refuse to move to PC /360. That is the only way that would cause a loss of revenue. But like I said, I doubt that there are that many of them Who would join in your boycott of other systems. Most people aren't willing to give up their accounts and years of work just to prove they love PS2. So again it boils down to you saying they are poor.

You say they will lose revenue, but as we saw a few pages back: It takes roughly 387 player accounts to pay the salary of just 1 ( grossly underpaid ) programmer, and 1 ( again underpaid ) tester. In real life though, I think we all know that there is a lot more overhead involved in running this game than just 2 guys in a room. So by cutting the costs of PS2 programming, they would have to lose a ton of players to even make it a wash. If a lot don't quit, its automatic profit.

The only reason I see them keeping PS2 is to keep an image with people who are Sony brand loyal.

[Airget]

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and lastly tell me what is the ps2 fault that it took s-e 3years to finish wotg? like someone said earlier he could play this game for 5 years and still have stuff to do( and judging by your account so do you)

Let s-e worry about the content and enjoy whats already out ok?


On a technical sense the fault of WoTG taking 3yrs to complete is because of ps2 and XIV. They didn't bother to make anymore expanded story expansion packs with new new zones not rehashed zones because of ps2 limitation, to make production of areas easier and because they were relying on XIV to take on the steam for XIV.

What they failed with though is XIV kinda fell flat and it's graphic requirements alienate those who may still be playing on ps2, so in a sense they did shoot themselves in the foot with that. By ps2 players I mean those who play on ps2 most likely wouldn't have what's required to play XIV.

But ya the reason why it was stretched out as much as it was is cause the limitations of the ps2 which after WoTG and even during it they already rehashed areas. While the concept of another world to see the war of vandiel is interesting the reasoning behind it was to have quicker production times even though they did take so long to get all the content out. They were really hoping to make WoTG a final chapter like story where all the pieces fall into place and we understand the reasoning as to why everything started. If you look at things they really had no plans of giving us a true VU and they do basically put ps2 at fault with it. A game like everquest has multiple expansion packs and is still running because of the fact it's only platform is a computer. Meanwhile XI is limited by the capabilities of the ps2 and is pretty much impossible to upgrade.

PC users will leave when they start to get bored of the content, if you compare this to an MMO like everquest there really is no drive to play now once WoTG is complete. All the content being added now just seems to be content with no real story behind it, or if it is it's an afterthought. I'm sure a majority of XI players found the game fun for it's story and once you get rid of that all you have is a game where you just keep getting better gear with every update kinda like WoW.

I am hoping this survey may reveal some good news, granted I'll feel bad for those that play on the ps2 but with the way the game is now we have no hope of ever seeing the whole world of vandiel and that to me just kills any drive to really play the game lol.

[Ash]

Well, They could refuse to move to PC /360. That is the only way that would cause a loss of revenue. But like I said, I doubt that there are that many of them Who would join in your boycott of other systems. Most people aren't willing to give up their accounts and years of work just to prove they love PS2. So again it boils down to you saying they are poor.

You say they will lose revenue, but as we saw a few pages back: It takes roughly 387 player accounts to pay the salary of just 1 ( grossly underpaid ) programmer, and 1 ( again underpaid ) tester. In real life though, I think we all know that there is a lot more overhead involved in running this game than just 2 guys in a room. So by cutting the costs of PS2 programming, they would have to lose a ton of players to even make it a wash. If a lot don't quit, its automatic profit.

The only reason I see them keeping PS2 is to keep an image with people who are Sony brand loyal.

Again when did i say these ppl were gonna boycott? i speculated( just like you are) that some ppl on the inferior platform would end up quitting.

Again your money saved argumen is pure speculation, do you have factual fact to back it up? what if all the programmers worked on the ps2 version then when their done switch to working on pc version, same for developpers. Also i think 387 is really a small number if you take into account the whole NA/JP playerbase(you can translate all the post on the links me and eric posted, it still seems that for every japanese players hating/not playing on the ps2, there is one playing on the ps2/ps3)

For the last time i was saying that dropping ps2 support without a ps3 is like shooting themselves in the foot, not that ps2 will should boycott s-e if they were to drop support.

[Volkai]

Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that JP players also hate the PS2. After all, by doing so, you are making the conversation about how poor you are rather than whether or not people support the discontinuation of the PS2.

Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that English players also play on the PS2. After all, by doing so you are making the conversation about what you prefer rather than whether or not people support the continuation of the PS2.

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[FrankReynolds]

Again when did i say these ppl were gonna boycott? i speculated( just like you are) that some ppl on the inferior platform would end up quitting.

If people aren't going to quit, then there is no loss of profit. You implied that there could be enough people quitting to sink the game. The JP thread you referenced is full of posts suggesting that people want to change platforms, and are mainly hanging on because they want to support Sony, not Microsoft. I don't believe they would outright quit (thus boycotting Microsoft) in order to do that. I made light of it by referencing a Latin american labor rights supporter who organized various boycotts in support of his cause. My point still stands.


Again your money saved argumen is pure speculation, do you have factual fact to back it up? what if all the programmers worked on the ps2 version then when their done switch to working on pc version, same for developpers.

If there are 8 developers working 1 hour a day on PS2, SE still pays the same as 1 developer working 8 hours a day. Six of one - half dozen of the other type thing.


Also i think 387 is really a small number if you take into account the whole NA/JP playerbase(you can translate all the post on the links me and eric posted, it still seems that for every japanese players hating/not playing on the ps2, there is one playing on the ps2/ps3)

For the last time i was saying that dropping ps2 support without a ps3 is like shooting themselves in the foot, not that ps2 will should boycott s-e if they were to drop support.


387 was just an example based on a a salary of $30,000 a year. Average programmer salary in japan is $60,000. SE is rumored to pay roughly twice the national average. That is a lot of people boycotting just to offset the salary of 1 guy. See what I mean?

[Ash]

If people aren't going to quit, then there is no loss of profit. You implied that there could be enough people quitting to sink the game. The JP thread you referenced is full of posts suggesting that people want to change platforms, and are mainly hanging on because they want to support Sony, not Microsoft. I don't believe they would outright quit (thus boycotting Microsoft) in order to do that. I made light of it by referencing a Latin american labor rights supporter who organized various boycotts in support of his cause. My point still stands.



If there are 8 developers working 1 hour a day on PS2, SE still pays the same as 1 developer working 8 hours a day. Six of one - half dozen of the other type thing.




387 was just an example based on a a salary of $30,000 a year. Average programmer salary in japan is $60,000. SE is rumored to pay roughly twice the national average. That is a lot of people boycotting just to offset the salary of 1 guy. See what I mean?

They want to change platforms from ps2 to ps3 thats all potential players your losing by cutting support, Hell your the one who linked the post about the jp complaining that it costs too much to repair a ps2.

Don t you see that its your own flawed vision of things versus my own flawed vision of thing? Theres is so much more to take into account/that we do not have info to speculate on.

All ive seen in this post is ppl trying to convince themselves that nobody plays on ps2 in hope of shinny things and as soon as someone says he likes the ps2/plays on it he s a retard or he s poor...so the question is how many ps2 players didn t bother to post in the thread because of all the animosity towards them? If you read some of the comments in that post eric linked, even the Pc enthusiast in Japan still wish for a ps3 port of the game and in that same thread there is more ps2 players( try way more) than in this thread.


You have all rights to want shiny things out of the game but really i don t see it happening even if ps2 support is dropped.

[Leonlionheart]

Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that English players also play on the PS2

All 6 of you

[Eric]

Wanting a PS3 port doesn't mean that they wouldn't change platforms if they had to.

The Japanese love FFXI too much to quit just because PS2 support is dropped. I'm willing to bet that most of them would switch to PC if they really had to.

[Ash]

All 6 of you

This is exact stupid assumptions i was talking about.

[Ash]

Wanting a PS3 port doesn't mean that they wouldn't change platforms if they had to.

The Japanese love FFXI too much to quit just because PS2 support is dropped. I'm willing to bet that most of them would switch to PC if they really had to.

The less platform option you offer to people the more chances you get of them quitting, but you do make a valid point for once, thats some japanese players won t quit over it.

[FrankReynolds]

They want to change platforms from ps2 to ps3 thats all potential players your losing by cutting support, Hell your the one who linked the post about the jp complaining that it costs too much to repair a ps2.

Just because they want PS3 doesn't mean they will quit if they don't get it, and the fact that they want PS3 means that they have the money so that is not the issue. You are still assuming that people would rather throw away their accounts and all their hard work than play on PC / 360. If that is the case, then they will be gone soon anyways. PS2s don't last forever and they don't make them anymore.

[Ash]

Just because they want PS3 doesn't mean they will quit if they don't get it, and the fact that they want PS3 means that they have the money so that is not the issue. You are still assuming that people would rather throw away their accounts and all their hard work than play on PC / 360. If that is the case, then they will be gone soon anyways. PS2s don't last forever and they don't make them anymore.

If you read the thread they all have a ps3 already. the breaking is a moot point, they clearly have place to fix them to this day(if you read the post you linked)

Also i fixed my old ps2 3 times in 10 years all it takes is a screw driver and some white grease...

[FrankReynolds]

If you read the thread they all have a ps3 already. the breaking is a moot point, they clearly have place to fix them to this day(if you read the post you linked)

Also i fixed my old ps2 3 times in 10 years all it takes is a screw driver and some white grease...

I know they have PS3. I was referring to them wanting the PS3 version of FFXI (that doesn't exist). Regardless of the misunderstanding, it doesn't change the fact that no one is gonna give up their account to boycott PC / 360. Hence there will be no major loss if any.

[Ash]

I know they have PS3. I was referring to them wanting the PS3 version of FFXI (that doesn't exist). Regardless of the misunderstanding, it doesn't change the fact that no one is gonna give up their account to boycott PC / 360. Hence there will be no major loss if any.

nobody play 360 there though, and playing on pc means a change compared to console, people are afraid of change hence yes there will be some quitting.

[FrankReynolds]

nobody play 360 there though, and playing on pc means a change compared to console, hence yes there will be some quitting.

lol congratulations. You have me stumped. I cannot express how poor that reasoning is without having a mod remove the comment. Oh wait how does this sound? Nobody play PS2 though.

[Ash]

lol congratulations. You have me stumped. I cannot express how poor that reasoning is without having a mod remove the comment. Oh wait how does this sound? Nobody play PS2 though.


What don t you do you not get lol? some people do not like playing this game on pc(again what does the current pc version have over the ps2 version other than a higher resolution?)

i know your angry because people are proving you wrong and that the ps2 support won t be dropped, but you gotta let it go bro, no reason to get that angry and insulting over a game.

in the end we all pay the same amount per account and what sounds like a good idea to you might not be to the S-e shareholders

[Eric]

JP don't like the Xbox 360. 360 market share in Japan is very low.. That being said, more xboxes are being sold than PS2s(and backwards compatible PS3s). (hint: none, because they are not being made anymore).

This make me laugh though.

[Ash]

JP don't like the Xbox 360. 360 market share in Japan is very low.. That being said, more xboxes are being sold than PS2s(and backwards compatible PS3s). (hint: none, because they are not being made anymore).

This make me laugh though.

And this is why some many japanese player are asking for a ps3 port.


Btw eric did that moderator scare you or something, you ve agreed with 2 of my post and your actually being polite, what a nice change of pace.

[Eric]

That, or you just sound less batshit insane.

But in all seriousness, is there any reason you had to bring that up? Or do you just want to gloat? Or . . .?

After all, I only got one post moderated, while you had like 3.

By the way, do you agree that this game would be better off without PS2 limitations ?(not keeping in mind the playerbase, etc.). The answer should be quite obvious.

[Ash]

That, or you just sound less batshit insane.

But in all seriousness, is there any reason you had to bring that up? Or do you just want to gloat? Or . . .?

After all, I only got one post moderated, while you had like 3.


Go back a couple of page you got more than one...and come on my deleted post where the ones im attacking you, pretty clear someone got hit in is pride and reported/ but its ok bro somehow it killed your condescending tone.

The game would only be better if they actually improved it after dropping the support, wich i think they won t do

[Minkaa]

Except the PS2 population isn't even as big as you think it is. Look at how few PS2 supporters there are here compared to PC users.

This is kind of funny... because to my knowledge you cannot post on the forums from a PS2.

haha

[Eric]

You also can't play the game if you don't have a PC to manage your account on the new SE account system.

haha

[Eric]

Go back a couple of page you got more than one...and come on my deleted post where the ones im attacking you, pretty clear someone got hit in is pride and reported/ but its ok bro somehow it killed your condescending tone.

The game would only be better if they actually improved it after dropping the support, wich i think they won t do
By the way, didn't they teach you that Ad Hominem is one of the lowest (and most flawed) sort of argument? I'm pretty sure you don't need an education for that.

EDIT: It also doesn't change the fact that some of the claims you were making back there are ridiculous and pure nonsense.

EDIT: Oh, sorry,I got *2* posts moderated. One of posts was only moderated because I was directly responding to the personal attack you made on my FFXIAH photos. It's quite obvious who's losing their temper here, especially since you keep on trying to insult my "pride"(pride being a ridiculous concept that's common among simple-minded commoners). I don't need pride, when I simply know that I'm superior--"pasty" white skin or not.

FINAL EDIT: I've made my case here. I've seen enough evidence to suggest that the PS2 will eventually go down. SE's already started to make the moves necessary to drop the obsoleted console, and they will continue to act, regardless of how many PS2 scrubs I continue to educate. Have fun bickering.

[Vold]

The vast majority of NA play on the PC because the PS2 version of FFXI came bundled with the HDD and you had to purchase the network adapter separately. Few people jumped for it. To this day I see FFXI HDD for PS2 at my local walmart and I live in the damn woods. I think there's two of them. I'm debating buying one just for collector's sake.

I guarantee you it's a different story in Japan as console gaming(and arcade gaming) is eons ahead of the PC there. It would not surprise me in the least to learn the vast majority of Japanese still play FFXI on a PS2. And I'd be willing to bet they'd be willing to jump to another platform if it meant a better FFXI. They know the clock is ticking for their PS2s.

[Ash]

By the way, didn't they teach you that Ad Hominem is one of the lowest (and most flawed) sort of argument? I'm pretty sure you don't need an education for that.

EDIT: It also doesn't change the fact that some of the claims you were making back there are ridiculous and pure nonsense.

EDIT: Oh, sorry,I got *2* posts moderated. One of posts was only moderated because I was directly responding to the personal attack you made on my FFXIAH photos. It's quite obvious who's losing their temper here, especially since you keep on trying to insult my "pride"(pride being a ridiculous concept that's common among simple-minded commoners). I don't need pride, when I simply know that I'm superior--"pasty" white skin or not.

FINAL EDIT: I've made my case here. I've seen enough evidence to suggest that the PS2 will eventually go down. SE's already started to make the moves necessary to drop the obsoleted console, and they will continue to act, regardless of how many PS2 scrubs I continue to educate. Have fun bickering.


Admitting defeat already?

And scrubs and commoner, really who talks like that? Really thinking your better just because you do not play a videogame on a ps2 is quite hillarious.

[FrankReynolds]

What don t you do you not get lol? some people do not like playing this game on pc(again what does the current pc version have over the ps2 version other than a higher resolution?)

It has a whole computer attached to it. If you don't know what that does I can't help you. We already discussed at length the things that PC can't have due to PS2 limitations. Your just feigning ignorance now.


i know your angry because people are proving you wrong and that the ps2 support won t be dropped, but you gotta let it go bro, no reason to get that angry and insulting over a game.

Actually I was just late for work and really awestruck at how you fell back on an argument like "nobody plays 360" after complaining for like 30 pages about the same argument being used on PS2.


in the end we all pay the same amount per account and what sounds like a good idea to you might not be to the S-e shareholders

Unfortunately that is true. but currently the money I pay goes towards people trying to create new ways to fit stuff on a 10 year old system. Not really fair to me.

[Ash]

It has a whole computer attached to it. If you don't know what that does I can't help you. We already discussed at length the things that PC can't have due to PS2 limitations. Your just feigning ignorance now.



Actually I was just late for work and really awestruck at how you fell back on an argument like "nobody plays 360" after complaining for like 30 pages about the same argument being used on PS2.



Unfortunately that is true. but currently the money I pay goes towards people trying to create new ways to fit stuff on a 10 year old system. Not really fair to me.

Fair or not is highly dependant on how much money that 10years old system still brings into their pockets. All i hear everytime you and the Your are not on pc bashing crew everytime someone is against ps2 support is OMG YOU ARE KILLING MY DREAM and nothing more.

all you and ,me have been doing so far is talking about things we assume and none of us has concrete proof that either one of us is right or wrong.

[Ash]

It has a whole computer attached to it. If you don't know what that does I can't help you. We already discussed at length the things that PC can't have due to PS2 limitations. Your just feigning ignorance now.


No seriously as of today, what is different about playing on ps2 or PC other than the higher resolution? What does having a whole computer attached to it does to the CURRENT version of the game?

[Modoru]

What does having a whole computer attached to it does to the CURRENT version of the game?

No PS2 limitations on PC! :3

Plus, PC has so much more potential for this game. You know this, I know this, a lot of people know this.
I'm not saying PS2 players are killing the game, because that's not necessarily the case, but I'm all for playing on a PC. Heck, I'm updating FFXI on this cheap netbook right now~.

[FrankReynolds]

No seriously as of today, what is different about playing on ps2 or PC other than the higher resolution? What does having a whole computer attached to it does to the CURRENT version of the game?

Well for one it can do a million things the PS2 can't while its running FFXI (I can't believe I'm explaining this to a person who is clearly sitting at a computer now). For another, it runs smoother. sorry, but your PS2 runs smoother nonsense doesn't fly here. But most importantly, it is not keeping SE from adding inventory, items, NPCs, maps, textures, storyline..... and if by "assume" you mean that SE has publicly stated that PS2 is limiting the game in these ways, well then yes. I assume.

[Leonlionheart]

Also,

infinity macro lines

Sincerely, PC.

[Joslyn]

Hate to say it but all these arguments are mute.
Does the ps2 limit what can be done on PC? yes
Will they drop ps2 support in the future? maybe
If they do will some people quit? more than likely
Will there be a ps3 version? highly unlikely but one can dream

The arguing here is just for the sake of arguing, we still don't know if they are just asking what people are playing the game on.
Maybe all there finding out is which systems people play on and then discussing how to handle future content.
If the game dies off so be it, there are other games to play.

[Arcon]

in the end we all pay the same amount per account

If only :(


Fair or not is highly dependant on how much money that 10years old system still brings into their pockets.

That does not mean fairness. I think you mean relevance. And it's not relevant either; what's relevant is the money they would lose from people quitting over the PS2. You're assuming that every PS2 player will quit, which clearly isn't so.


No seriously as of today, what is different about playing on ps2 or PC other than the higher resolution? What does having a whole computer attached to it does to the CURRENT version of the game?

Better graphics in general, smoother game, faster load times, less crashes, more ways to control the game (different controllers, different setups), the ability to check wiki, forums and FFXIAH on the side while you're playing (can do that on PS2 only if you have a computer running seperately), etc.

And again, the current state isn't even relevant. What's relevant is the potential. The PS2 has reached its potential (long ago). If the PS2 is dropped, then you'd see what the PC really has on the PS2.


Hate to say it but all these arguments are mute.

Moot. And all arguments on the internet are. Although that "other games" line is garbage.

[Ash]

Also,

infinity macro lines

Sincerely, PC.

Not without a certain 3rd party tool...

[Ash]

Hate to say it but all these arguments are mute.
Does the ps2 limit what can be done on PC? yes
Will they drop ps2 support in the future? maybe
If they do will some people quit? more than likely
Will there be a ps3 version? highly unlikely but one can dream

The arguing here is just for the sake of arguing, we still don't know if they are just asking what people are playing the game on.
Maybe all there finding out is which systems people play on and then discussing how to handle future content.
If the game dies off so be it, there are other games to play.

Indeed it is all in the sake of arguing, although some peaople seems to take their desires for reality

[Ash]

That does not mean fairness. I think you mean relevance. And it's not relevant either; what's relevant is the money they would lose from people quitting over the PS2. You're assuming that every PS2 player will quit, which clearly isn't so.


Just like you and a lot of people are assuming that none of them will quit, it is what it is an assumption.

[Jeez]

Not without a certain 3rd party tool...

Wait, so you acknowledge that PC has a certain something to offer that PS2 can never have?

[Ash]

Wait, so you acknowledge that PC has a certain something to offer that PS2 can never have?

I dont use it and it is against the tos, so no it cannot be counted as an advantage. Its like saying using steroids in sport is an advantage...

[Jeez]

I seem to recall steroids having something to do with giving you a physical advantage over others, even though it was illegal...

[FrankReynolds]

Just like you and a lot of people are assuming that none of them will quit, it is what it is an assumption.

An assumption founded in reality, but you hold on to your plans for boycott.

[Ash]

An assumption founded in reality, but you hold on to your plans for boycott.


Where are your proofs? and lol at your conspiracy theory that im gonna round up all the ps2 players(judging from the info in this thread it won t be hard to find all 6 of them...) and organize a boycott.

[Arcon]

Just like you and a lot of people are assuming that none of them will quit, it is what it is an assumption.

No we do not. No one can know, but we can give educated guesses. I feel that SE's poll should have been "would you quit if the PS2 was canceled?". It's also an idea for their next poll, after they've determined how many PS2 users there actually are.


Where are your proofs? and lol at your conspiracy theory that im gonna round up all the ps2 players(judging from the info in this thread it won t be hard to find all 6 of them...) and organize a boycott.

What exactly do you want here? I don't see what your angle is. What are you trying to get out of this argument? We know we're not going to convince you, just as you (should) know, you're not going to convince us. I've honestly lost track of what this argument is about.

[Ash]

No we do not. No one can know, but we can give educated guesses. I feel that SE's poll should have been "would you quit if the PS2 was canceled?". It's also an idea for their next poll, after they've determined how many PS2 users there actually are.



What exactly do you want here? I don't see what your angle is. What are you trying to get out of this argument? We know we're not going to convince you, just as you (should) know, you're not going to convince us. I've honestly lost track of what this argument is about.

See thats the thing i don t really consider it arguing, its more of lets assume stuff that we have no way of backing up over and over.

The only reason i started posting in the first place is i didn t get why there was so much animosity toward people that play on the ps2. The name calling, the poor,commoner,retards comment where really uncalled for especially since after all None of us is gonna decide what is gonna happen next.

Someone in this thread refered to "its all gonna be depending on how many japanese play on what system" Now read this thread from start to finish and tell me there is constructive critism and anything positive in it.

[Eric]

Just had to chime in to add some relevant information.


The user survey has ended.
Thank you for your cooperation.

Prediction for the next update from SE: "PS2 support is being dropped. There will be a short grace period before the PS2 game client will cease to be updated. Thank you for your cooperation."


What exactly do you want here? I don't see what your angle is. What are you trying to get out of this argument? We know we're not going to convince you, just as you (should) know, you're not going to convince us. I've honestly lost track of what this argument is about.

Exactly the reason I left this thread. Everything that needs to be said has been said. Don't waste your time on these people. They don't even know what they're talking about anymore. Some people are only responding because it would hurt their "pride" if they didn't have the last word. Maybe instead of trying to prove themselves on an online forum, they should start working a few extra hours to afford that PC that they'll need when SE drops PS2 support.

EDIT: <3 you Ash. See ya around. Feel free to continue stalking me.

[Octaviane]

Maybe instead of trying to prove themselves on an online forum, they should start working a few extra hours to afford that PC that they'll need when SE drops PS2 support.

Perhaps it would be better for people to actually get a job in the first place instead of spending every waking hour playing games and complaining about them. I am not saying people don't work, but there are a considerable number that don't. I am constantly amazed when I read posts (not here yet) from 12,13,14,15 and 16 year olds that say "I am a hardcore gamer, very mature." Ya right.

I have and use a PS2 and I have a laptop. I choose to keep gaming and work/real life separate and I sure don't play FFXI from work on my lunch breaks like I know so many do. Buy another system? No I won't.

[Economizer]

Prediction for the next update from SE: "PS2 support is being dropped. There will be a short grace period before the PS2 game client will cease to be updated. Thank you for your cooperation."

If SE does decide to finally drop PS2 support, it won't be a short grace period, it will be a long drawn out process.

[Vortex]

If SE does decide to finally drop PS2 support, it won't be a short grace period, it will be a long drawn out process.

They are going to have to rebuild this game if they do, and based off the massive amount of whining when servers were down for the earthquake they won't like that, and even still, i also use both systems for the very reason that i do things on pc that can't have this game running. i certainly am not going to buy a second PC just to play this game when i can already do it if they DO drop it they would have to offer a PC to everyone who uses a ps2

[Economizer]

They are going to have to rebuild this game if they do, and based off the massive amount of whining when servers were down for the earthquake they won't like that, and even still, i also use both systems for the very reason that i do things on pc that can't have this game running. i certainly am not going to buy a second PC just to play this game when i can already do it if they DO drop it they would have to offer a PC to everyone who uses a ps2

No, no, and no.

They will not have to rebuild the game. Changes would be gradual even in the update where they finally drop PS2 support. I imagine this would probably coincide with a new expansion, since that's about how far off I think SE would actually push dropping the PS2 even if they announced it tomorrow.

The servers wouldn't be down for more then a day or two to pull this off. Not a week, just the standard time that a very big update has. It isn't like much has to change to get massive benefits, but said changes are either not possible, or cost enough that dropping the entire PS2 userbase, even assuming that not a single one of them bothered to continue playing, would be cheaper then making more expensive to maintain spaghetti code for the PS2 version.

SE doesn't have to do crap to accommodate PS2 users. They don't owe you anything. They owe their stockholders the continued existence of the game however, given that it is very profitable, and dropping the PS2 won't kill the game, sorry to burst any bubbles. The best I can see is some sort of branded computer plan that you can buy for an additional $10 a month for two years, or some voucher plan that gives a discount, but SE isn't going to give PS2 users very much, aside from ample notice.

[Ash]

Just had to chime in to add some relevant information.



Prediction for the next update from SE: "PS2 support is being dropped. There will be a short grace period before the PS2 game client will cease to be updated. Thank you for your cooperation."



Exactly the reason I left this thread. Everything that needs to be said has been said. Don't waste your time on these people. They don't even know what they're talking about anymore. Some people are only responding because it would hurt their "pride" if they didn't have the last word. Maybe instead of trying to prove themselves on an online forum, they should start working a few extra hours to afford that PC that they'll need when SE drops PS2 support.

EDIT: <3 you Ash. See ya around. Feel free to continue stalking me.

Again with the asumption than not wanting to play on a pc means you are poor...Your like the same condescending broken record and id be quite curious to know what you do for a living, if your are a home owner or rent an appartment, if you have kids ect,ect...(because you don t seem to grasp what living expenses means or what is the value of money to a working middle class person)

I find it quite amusing that is so easy for me to get to you kid, Lots of lulz have been had talking to you and if they do drop ps2 support i ll still be playing on my laptop and see if i was wrong all along or you were...

[Ravenmore]

Consoles are a cancer to ALL MMOs and should be removed as such. FF14 will be doomed this this same fate with the PS3. It might seem a novel way to draw players but lets face it that market topped out at under 500k. That is a fact since not every one at the peak of FF11 played on a Ps2. Look at WoW, EVE, EQ/EQ2, all still going strong and still getting fresh content all with out the cinder blocks tied around their like FF11 and some time in the next 2 years FF14.

I used to play on Ps2 and it was one of the last shipments of the fat PS2s and it started dieing 2 weeks ago only staying on for 20 mins. I haven't used it as my main system for some time and used it only to play ps2 games. So the time is coming when the Ps2 will simply die of its own accord.

Why continue supporting it if the amount of people playing on it will keep doing down and nothing SE can do to stop it. With PC players SE could use marketing, new full expansions updated graphics list goes on. While nothing short of buying out Sony and firing up the PS2 production lines could stop the loss from decay to the system. Its been stated over and over by the die hard PS2 fans that when their systems goes the way of old yellower they won't change over to a different system to keep playing and paying SE. So if they are unwilling to continue to supporting SE for something that will happen and SE can't do anything about it, why should SE continue to waste money on them.

To the person that state their Wal-mart still had 2 PS2 HDDs left, the reason is simple and you stated it. Being out in the middle of no where means less likely some one would buy them having only one purpose outside of Japan you bought it for FF11 that was it.

[Atomic_Skull]

I bet one of the reasons they are looking at a Vita port of FFXI because Vita -> PS3 is easier than a direct port to the PS3 thanks to Sony's software development kit for porting Vita games over to the PS3. You don't have to deal with the PS3's pain-in-the-rear architecture, you just compile the Vita code with the software libraries Sony provides.

Even a Vita port is going to require a pretty major re-write though because it's a non windows OpenGL based platform. They can't just port over the Windows version like they did with the 360.

[InfiniteKarma]

Again with the asumption than not wanting to play on a pc means you are poor...Your like the same condescending broken record and id be quite curious to know what you do for a living, if your are a home owner or rent an appartment, if you have kids ect,ect...(because you don t seem to grasp what living expenses means or what is the value of money to a working middle class person)

I find it quite amusing that is so easy for me to get to you kid, Lots of lulz have been had talking to you and if they do drop ps2 support i ll still be playing on my laptop and see if i was wrong all along or you were...

Well why its quite obvious you view the forms for a sick self satisfaction to get a rise out of people for your own amusement i understand fully that you would not want to upgrade if the service is already there for you on you're ps2, but when it drops and that ps2 becomes null and void what do you have to gain from this argument if you already own a laptop?