Marcato

[Flionheart]

So early testing seems to reveal Marcato is on a 10 minute recast timer, and doubles the potency of one song (This will be reduced, as it's apparently more powerful than it currently should be).

Well... Without trying to sound rude... What use does this have really? Recasting a song overwrites the powered up song, so you at most have 4:30 of a slightly more powerful song.

I mean, sure it's nice to have a potent March or a potent Ballad... but the fact that you can only use it once per ten minute interval means that its use is going to be incredibly limited, and incredibly situational.

I'm not complaining, as much as I'm pointing out that, I think most BRDs would be happy to lose some potency to get it to a decent recast interval. I also think it would be nice to reward BRDs who keep a cycle up by letting the potent song remain to be active as long as it doesn't drop (E.G. if you use Marcato and then Victory march, wait 2 minutes and recast Victory March, instead of lowering the potency of the Victory march to its standard level, it should remain powered up).

Anyone done any other testing with this ability yet?

[Karbuncle]

I expected this. Its a 1-Song 2hour. just like RDM's and BLM's ability are with spells. I expected a 5 or 10 minute timer attached to something like this from the beginning, judging from the "power" of it.

I've just not been overly optimistic about this update though. Tried and failed >_>.

Still, They are looking for feedback, Try recommending a 5 minute recast, Give reasons like "Even in best case scenario you'll only have it up for 4:30 and thats with nightingale/etc", over in the feedback section.

Since they plan on weakened the effect, lowering the recast could be done if we convince them.

[Flionheart]

I wouldn't mind it so much if it were a 2hour song, but it's only double the potency atm, and they've stated it's more powerful that it currently should be. Getting a 66%-75% more potent song every 10 minutes seems way to situational in its use to me.

[Flionheart]

Also is there an official place to put this? I assumed they just went into the respective jobs forum.

[Karbuncle]

I guess not. I'd say here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forums/304-Test-Server-Bugs

But this doesn't fall under a bug. Had assumed they actually made a Test Server forum, which i thought was this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forums/303-Information-%28Test-Server%29

But not so sure.

Edit: Also I'm a noob BRD, but doesn't BRD 2hr just double Potency of songs? Either way, them weakening it does seem pretty weak -.-

[Flionheart]

I guess not. I'd say here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forums/304-Test-Server-Bugs

But this doesn't fall under a bug. Had assumed they actually made a Test Server forum, which i thought was this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forums/303-Information-%28Test-Server%29

But not so sure.

Edit: Also I'm a noob BRD, but doesn't BRD 2hr just double Potency of songs? Either way, them weakening it does seem pretty weak -.-

Yeah it doubles the potency of certain songs. It's just... Even Soul voice now-a-days has very situational use because it's far more easy to cap melee haste. I would have far preferred a JA to allow a 3rd(or 4th) song. It would have made BRD more tactical instead of "LOL I AM CASTING A SLIGHTLY MORE POTENT SONG" I dunno. I am sad.

[detlef]

I believe you called Daurdabla "a toy at best." And now you want a third song as a JA?

Also, if you're playing around on the test server anyway, what does SV Scherzo do? Or Marcato Scherzo?

[Flionheart]

I believe you called Daurdabla "a toy at best." And now you want a third song as a JA?

Also, if you're playing around on the test server anyway, what does SV Scherzo do? Or Marcato Scherzo?

I do believe the Daurdabla is a toy. There's a big difference between having to use an instrument for a third song, and being able to get one with a JA.

[Maacha]

As far as I know (Gjallarhorn 90), songs sung under 2 hour effect will NOT be overwritten by a lesser version. I haven't done much on the test server yet, but I would assume that the new JA would work the same way. It's sad this is a 10 minute recast, I wish it was something we could merit to lower the timer (possible tier 3 merits incoming?).

[Creelo]

Also, if you're playing around on the test server anyway, what does SV Scherzo do? Or Marcato Scherzo?

SV Scherzo was already tested and shown to just double the duration of the song, similar to Mazurka. Who knows about Marcato though.

I'm personally interested to see if it works with any Debuffs?

[Creelo]

I'm also curious as well, when you say "4:30 of a slightly powerful song." Songs generally last around 3:00min~ now depending on which song it is with AF3+2 and their +3 Instrument. I'm just wondering if you got 4:30 with Troubadour, since it should really be 6:00min~ (possibly even 6:24min). It would be nice to have it on a 5min Recast timer though, especially if it can augments debuffs.

I'm really curious to see if it can work with Finale actually lol, if we could potentially get rid of two or more status buffs with Marcato+Finale... could be interesting lol. How useful this is compared to a stronger song though... :/

[Flionheart]

Marcato doesn't stack with SV.

It only enhances the duration of Scherzo

It also increases the duration of Elegy.

It's kinda bad.

[Creelo]

Any effect on Lullaby duration?

[Reain]

Marcato had no effect on Lullaby duration.

It also had no effect on Elegy duration, for me anyway.

Also scherzo caps from skill at 800 combined for 45% damage annulled and 49% with +4 from g.horn/AF3+2 feet.

New songs:

Horde Lullaby II
Chocobo Hum (Enhances resistance against paralysis for party members within area of effect)
Cactuar Fugue(Enhances resistance against weight for party members within area of effect)
Ice Carol II
Pining Nocturne


Pining Nocturne does not overwrite itself like Elegy(not even a SV, marcato or troubadour'd one) and does not stack with Addle.

**Ninja edit: Pining Nocturne not Pinning Nocturne.**

[shourin]

Does Marcato make songs land when normally they do not? i.e. Threnodies on resistant mobs?

[Creelo]

Marcato had no effect on Lullaby duration.

It also had no effect on Elegy duration, for me anyway.

Also scherzo caps from skill at 800 combined for 45% damage annulled and 49% with +4 from g.horn/AF3+2 feet.

New songs:

Horde Lullaby II
Chocobo Hum (Enhances resistance against paralysis for party members within area of effect)
Cactuar Fugue(Enhances resistance against weight for party members within area of effect)
Ice Carol II
Pinning Nocturne


Pinning Nocturne does not overwrite itself like Elegy(not even a SV, marcato or troubadour'd one) and does not stack with Addle.

Bolded is truly unfortunate... Feel like it should definitely be able to stack with Addle. Strange it can't be overwritten either, considering all songs (except for Lullaby of course) can be overwritten... Hopefully SE fixes this. Seems like how you told me yourself how they just copy/pasted Addle the spell into song form, but didn't really change any of its attributes (thus it can't be overwritten like normal songs and doesn't stack with the spell Addle) lol x.x

So did they ninja add songs into this update with Hum/Fugue? I know {Hum} has been in the auto translate forever now and I -think- perhaps long ago it was an actual song? Either way, should be interesting @_@

Thank you for results and confirmation on Scherzo! :D

[Reain]

Does Marcato make songs land when normally they do not? i.e. Threnodies on resistant mobs?

Marcato + Earth Threnody did not land on Jormungand with G. Horn(only 1 attempt cause 10 min recast). I believe Marcato at the moment is a 1 song Soul voice and does the same to songs as soul voice would, until they make it weaker anyway.

Was able to land Pining Nocturne 1/1 on Jormungand with a Harp also, although Jorm is weak to fire.

Assuming +4 March from Instrument/AF3+2 Hands
Marcato V.March (320/1024) + Haste (150/1024) = 470/1024 (*capped at 448/1024)
Marcato V.March(320/1024)+Advancing March(128/1024)= 448/1024

Which would mean the test server version of Marcato would allow for capped magic haste without Advancing March if you had the haste spell and capped magic haste with March X2 without Soul Voice/Haste for the duration of the Marcato'd V.March. Which is pretty nice. It's gonna be frustrating if when they weaken it we need to use Advancing March to get the last few percent. :( Hopefully we get our Tier 3 March/Madrigal/Mambo.

Someone could check my maths.

Marcato Ballad3 + Ballad 2 with g.horn and AF3+2 legs = 20mp/tick on test server. lol.

Just done some more testing with Pining Nocturne and it seems duration is affected by combined skill, possibly 2 skill=+1 second, I need to test some more. Marcato did not increase Pining Nocturne's duration.

[detlef]

Does Nocturne have a base duration? 1 min? 3 min?

[Flionheart]

Does Nocturne have a base duration? 1 min? 3 min?

Seemed to be about 2 minutes on most mobs.

[Reain]

I don't know about base duration but here are some very rough numbers:

722 skill =3mins52
794 skill=4mins28
852 skill and +3 from G.horn= 6mins32

This was on low level bats at the entrance of quifim island.

I need to test some more because these aren't the most accurate figures and I didn't check it with troubadour yet. I don't think RDMs will be too happy that Square-Enix have given Addle to WHM and BRD this update, especially if a G.horn bard can land 13min Addles with troubadour

[Rearden]

I don't see the hate...allows you a near 2h song every 10minutes, so it lines perfectly with Night/Troub...so you basically sing 2 sets of songs every 10m and for 6:xx of those your targets have half a SV...what's the problem? There are far bigger issues than an ability like this, especially when it has its uses.

And yeah, looks like Lv.95 will make it so GHorns last usefulness (squeezing a bit more out of Scherzo) will go away.

[Reain]

Edit: Changed to BG link, the ffxiah post seems to have vanished

If this post is correct: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106679-Test-Server-Findings?p=4771875&viewfull=1#post4771875


Daudaula
Range Ex Rare Lv95
Singing skill+20 String skill+20 Song duration+30% Song effects+1
BRD

Gjallerhorn
Range Ex Rare Lv95
Chr+10 Singing+25 Wind+25 All songs+3
BRD


We'll have Emp 46% scherzo and relic 49% scherzo, Base singing/wind/string skill is 345 at 95. So 110 skill needed to cap it.

**Edit**

Bad news everyone. There was an update to the test server today and Marcato is now +50% to songs instead of double :( Still 10 min recast.

Animated Horn X10 for 95 G.horn.
1500x Plates of Heavy Metal for 95 Daurdabla
Long-Bowed Chariot X3 for 95 Carnwenhan

The magian moogle does not show the stats of the 95 versions of relics/mythics/emps on the test server, just the the requirements.

Yellow boxes :O

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9871790/trial3012.JPG

[Rearden]

Meh, it should still allow for non-SV'd Marches, but it would do so for any instrument again making GHorn useless, lol. (Was nice being able to hit so close to Magic cap without SV prior to this)

[detlef]

If that is the level 95 stat of Ghorn then I am disappointed. Daurdabla closed the gap yet again.

[Creelo]

1500x Plates of Heavy Metal for 95 Daurdabla

...I'm scared. >.<

Also Reain, I think Scherzo with Emp. would cap at 46%? Skill would make 45% with Af3+2 Feet for 46%?

Kinda sad that Daurdabla didn't get any additional skill like Gjallarhorn :/ But the extra 5% duration will be nice.

The fact that they did this leads me to believe that the dev. team still thinks Brd's are contemplating whether which instrument (Daurdabla vs. Gjallarhorn) is better for debuffing... <__<

/sigh

[Bayohne]

Head's up on Test Server updates that apply to a bard friends:
The recast time for Pianissimo and Tenuto have been shortened to 5 seconds.
Also, the effects of Marcato have been adjusted.

Try 'em out!

[Taggerung]

interesting

[Flionheart]

Marcato seems to be roughly 50% better than a regular song.

ehhh

[Reain]

...I'm scared. >.<

Also Reain, I think Scherzo with Emp. would cap at 46%? Skill would make 45% with Af3+2 Feet for 46%?

Kinda sad that Daurdabla didn't get any additional skill like Gjallarhorn :/ But the extra 5% duration will be nice.

The fact that they did this leads me to believe that the dev. team still thinks Brd's are contemplating whether which instrument (Daurdabla vs. Gjallarhorn) is better for debuffing... <__<

/sigh

Ah yes I was dumb and read Song effect +1 as All songs +1 instead of 3rd song. I'm disappointed G.horn didnt get All songs +4 at 95.

[detlef]

Oh I misread that too... But then there's no difference between the 90 and the 95 if that's the case.

[detlef]

I take it back, I forgot that Daurdabla (90) is a 25% increase in duration... Which means that all you get from 90 to 95 is 5% more duration. Wow, SE hates BRD.

[Sekundes]

I'd be thrilled if they let Pianissimo and Tenuto stack. It's aggravating to have to run away from everyone else just to keep a buff on yourself.

[Kirschy]

Head's up on Test Server updates that apply to a bard friends:
The recast time for Pianissimo and Tenuto have been shortened to 5 seconds.
Also, the effects of Marcato have been adjusted.

Try 'em out!

Played around with this tonight /w Byrth. Aside from the +50% potency that other people are seeing, I've noticed that it doesn't work with Scherzo :(. I realize this makes sense since certain songs like Mazurka and Scherzo don't gain a potency buff from Soul Voice... But considering the JA is a 10min recast, and it's only a +50% boost, I was hoping this could be addressed. Marcato + Scherzo would be a great combo to use in stressful times. (An alternative to just using the JA /w an offense-based song.)

[Lordscyon]

Bard power!

[Rearden]

Head's up on Test Server updates that apply to a bard friends:
The recast time for Pianissimo and Tenuto have been shortened to 5 seconds.
Also, the effects of Marcato have been adjusted.

Try 'em out!

This ability, with the level cap increase, really makes GHorn one of the more useless relics.

When are we getting an appropriate boost like other relics/mythics?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Clearly SE's intention is for people to make Ghorn for the +inventory.

[Creelo]

This ability, with the level cap increase, really makes GHorn one of the more useless relics.

When are we getting an appropriate boost like other relics/mythics?

I'd like to know this too, since I want to know that I'm working towards something that's gonna be more than a space saver. >.<

[detlef]

Well, I've been telling myself that SE has something really great in mind for 99. But... I look at Ghorn (95) and we pretty much get nothing at 95. I look at Daurdabla (95), and I see a 6 second increase in buff duration.

Man that's depressing.

[Reain]

Marcato seems to be 95, not 93 unless it glitched out.

[Zhronne]

Tbh the majority of 90>95 upgrades are kinda depressing. Daurdabla one is laughable, but wanna look at some of the mythic ones? Check Laevateinn...

I hope that those updates are "incomplete"? I think I recall Camate saying that they were putting some Trial of the Magian upgrades on hold until for a few weeks. I sure hope that's the reason because a lot of those Mythic/Relic/Empy upgrades look retarded.

[Retsujo]

I wonder if it stacks with Soul Voice...

[Zhronne]

Already been tested I think, it does not stack with Soul Voice.
I'm fine with Marcato atm. 10 mins is a lot but... oh well, it goes fine together with Nigh and Troub.
Only thing I whine about is the fact that a normal song can overwrite a marcato song. That shouldn't happen <_<