Open access pvp content servers.

[Runespider]

With the addition of the test servers we now have the possibility for players from any server to play on another.

Is there any possibility of this being expanded upon in the future? For instance a Ballista/choco racing/panktron etc server that pvp fans can use. PVP and some other things are kinda unpopular but would get a whole new lease of life if they could source people from all servers (especially if there were ladder/ranking systems).

[Miitan]

No.

There are plenty of games that are PVP based.

FFXI is not one of them.

[Kimara]

With the addition of the test servers we now have the possibility for players from any server to play on another.

Is there any possibility of this being expanded upon in the future? For instance a Ballista/choco racing/panktron etc server that pvp fans can use. PVP and some other things are kinda unpopular but would get a whole new lease of life if they could source people from all servers (especially if there were ladder/ranking systems).

Although PvP expansion sounds like a fun idea, I believe SE already came out and said that they were not going to expand anymore on PVP or making the game lean towards PVP. They don't want to do it, I'm okay with it, even though I think Brenner and Ballista are fun.

[Runespider]

I didn't write this very well I guess.

What I meant was make a seperate server like the test one that allowed people to transfer back and fourth (or maybe even just duplicate your main) at will to do the PVP content FFXI already has, Ballista, choco racing and panktron. A specialist server that everyone from all servers can goto to do the content that is already in the game.

The pvp content the game has right now isn't very popular but if the small number of people from every server that liked it could have a pvp server they could duplicate a char to (like the test server) it would make a lot of these kinds of players very happy.

[Harukusan]

Ballista is probably my favorite thing to do in the game. It brings a whole new level of challenge playing against other people as opposed to monsters and NMs. For one, other people actually have some degree of intelligence (I hope) and respond situationally to your actions. The difficulty of NMs is not exactly increasing, but several trends are becoming too common, such as frequent hate reset. If you're tired of the same boring crap, give Ballista a try! If they were to expand on it in any way, I fear I wouldn't participate in any other event other than obtaining newly released gear which takes what? a week or so these days? Less if methods of obtaining such gear is already known publicly.

Ballista is starting to become active again on Ragnarok, the past few days people have actually been participating in the scheduled uncapped matches, and I'm having a blast!


No.

There are plenty of games that are PVP based.

FFXI is not one of them.

FFXI is not based on PvP. You are absolutely correct. However it is a part of the game and it's available for people who choose to participate. You aren't forced to have any part in it. Thank you for your pointless and unconstructive post.

Adding a whole new server, which we can go to and return from freely, dedicated to PvP would be amazing!

[Leonlionheart]

No.

There are plenty of games that are PVP based.

FFXI is not one of them.

"Hi guys, I like playing this game my way, and I want ALL of you to play it my way too!"

Because giving the players the option of being able to PvP cross server is going to ruin the game, and change it drastically, right?

More on topic edit:
I imagine it wouldn't be hard to do, seeing as they've already done the test server thing, and would fix the problem most servers have of "no one does it" because all the people that enjoy it would gather in one place, independent of server.

Putting in gear that can only be used on said server that is multipurpose (things that boost PvP rather than PvE) would be a dream come true. Because we all know gear changing in PvP will never happen.

[Selzak]

No.

There are plenty of games that are PVP based.

FFXI is not one of them.

This is my FFXI! If youu don't like it, you can gettttttt out!


Seriously, people have the most ignorant arguments against PVP on this game. How would it effect you at all?

[Cursed]

in 2005(or was it 2006?) we competed in a server wide ballista tournament.
They can/have created servers just for ballista in the past.
it was the low turn out and interest in that ballista tournament that probably convinced SE that PVP wasn't worth it.
Looking at how other games with PVP have just about kicked the hell out of FFXI, I would say they should have just re-examined what made ballista unpopular.
Namely Sleep-Sniping and the horrible imbalance between jobs.

Also, Japanese in General do not like PVP games, and prefer cooperative games.
Just a culture thing.

[Dart]

jp's have always been among the most active balli peeps on both servers that I've been on.

[Mirage]

If they wanted to make some good pvp gear they could just make it latent effects that are only active in pvp

Latent effect;
resist sleep +20%
adds regain effect
-10%MDT

For example


There's no real reason except development resources that new and good pvp gear couldn't be added.

[Nefertiri]

Ballista is probably my favorite thing to do in the game. It brings a whole new level of challenge playing against other people as opposed to monsters and NMs. For one, other people actually have some degree of intelligence (I hope) and respond situationally to your actions. The difficulty of NMs is not exactly increasing, but several trends are becoming too common, such as frequent hate reset. If you're tired of the same boring crap, give Ballista a try! If they were to expand on it in any way, I fear I wouldn't participate in any other event other than obtaining newly released gear which takes what? a week or so these days? Less if methods of obtaining such gear is already known publicly.

Ballista is starting to become active again on Ragnarok, the past few days people have actually been participating in the scheduled uncapped matches, and I'm having a blast!



FFXI is not based on PvP. You are absolutely correct. However it is a part of the game and it's available for people who choose to participate. You aren't forced to have any part in it. Thank you for your pointless and unconstructive post.

Adding a whole new server, which we can go to and return from freely, dedicated to PvP would be amazing!

It's one of my favorite things too! It's been completely dead on my server for a few years now, at least. It's so disappointing. Servers like Fenrir that still do it actively are really interesting, people clearly have a love for the sport. Doesn't matter they won't get some big shiny reward or a ton of exp for it (though I think the exp reward SHOULD be raised), it's heartwarming to see them do something solely for the fun of it. One of my favorite parts was the gearswap penalty during matches, where you couldn't move or attack for several seconds after changing equipment (aside from ammo slot anyway.) Made it impossible/suicidal to change gear spontaneously during the heat of battle, which was a highly refreshing strategic change from how the rest of the game works. And like you said, fighting other players is always completely unpredictable and exciting! Not like the brain-dead mob AI that blindly follows its enmity system.

It's pretty depressing that SE has ignored it for many years now, it could've grown into something even greater with a few updates focused on balance and JA revision. I think the last time it even got any kind of tiny obligatory update was back in 07 when DNC and SCH chevrons were added?

I pray someday SE knows that Ballista/Brenner has a small cult following and will at least attempt to revive it in the eyes of the general population.

P.S: The end of the Brenner introduction cutscene hinted that Shantotto was planning her own little PVP-related event. Ballista originated in San d'Orian history, Brenner originated in Bastokan history. Woulda been neat to see what Windurst coulda cooked up. But of course, nothing ever came of it since then... And I'm pretty sure Laurel Crown and Stars Cap are now the rarest items ingame bcuz there's never been a way to get em since the ol' ballista royale of 05, and there's never been another since.

[Xellith]

PVP in the game should be restricted to bastillia and brenner. However I do believe they should have a yearly server vs server contest like they did about 7 years ago. I didnt even participate and I still thought it was fun.

[RygaenYuui]

...IDK about pvp servers. Most of the FFXI population doesn't even participate in PvP anymore, and alot of the old school players that used to be ballista crazy have either quit the game or moved on to other things.

I think that perhaps a more direct and maybe effective method to revive something along these lines of PvP is to appeal to the current community of players. FFXI players don't do things unless they can benefit from them, particularly gear wise -- which is why Ballista and Brenner are so 'obsolete' nowadays and doesn't appeal to large groups of people, I guess. They're crazy fun if you can find the people to play, but no one wastes their time since you can probably spend it getting better gear anyhow...not to mention there hasn't been any recent updates towards that development for PvP in quite a few years.

Honestly, the only way to really revive pvp methods in place is to make exclusive content for it, or to maybe add a system like Unions in Campaign where the winning side gets choice of prizes or something, like Relic currency or other junk.

[Urteil]

The real reward is possessing skill and pride.

Lots of people do PvP.

Anyone who requires a reward beyond that is just fodder, but I'd be up for such rewards being implemented if only to have people to practice on.

[Papa-AFK]

If they did a PVP add-on scenario to enhance Ballista/Brenner, that would be fantastic I would think. Roll out a whole set of gear that is for PVP only.

Gear and stats should be solo-able to obtain or winnable from matches.

It would also be fantastic if they did setup an "arena" world, so when people "register for a match" they are taken to the "arena" world. Their names could show up like "Name.World" so that everyone knows where your from. Only trick would be making sure you can still communicate with people from your world as in Linkshell and /tells.

[RygaenYuui]

The real reward is possessing skill and pride.

Lots of people do PvP.

Anyone who requires a reward beyond that is just fodder, but I'd be up for such rewards being implemented if only to have people to practice on.

Skill is rare and few and far between, at least in my years of playing this game. You will come across people who are geared out like nobody's business but can't play the game for crap. You'll have people who don't have the gear they need outshine alot of other people playing that job.

Everyone has their differences in interest too. Such is FFXI's nature I guess.

But to appeal to the masses for PvP, I totally agree: implement an incentive; the attitude carries as to why people have yet to finish RotZ, CoP, WotG or ToAU storyline missions. I personally do it myself for the challenge and the storyline. Other people do it or won't do it because of the gear rewards. And 80% of the playerbase can be categorized into the latter category.

[Leonlionheart]

You can PvP on the test server right?

Maybe players should make it an unofficial PvP server, since you can get free gear there.

[Urteil]

I'd rather not this happen, then SE really won't have a reason to develop an actual system for it.


Its a fun place to weenie around on I guess, but wouldn't it be nice if they actually developed a system for it and spent some time doing minimal advertising for the game.


Oh you know, the tried and true practices of any basic MMO company ever.

[Andrien]

I concur for an updated PvP system. If we get better rewards and titles it might be the only in game event I'll do none stop. Be as it may xp, gil, crour, cp, sp, notes, and pvp exclusive gears.

[Zarchery]

There are already several free, fully instanced forms of PVP that you can do at your leisure.

STOP SUGGESTING FIXES TO NON PROBLEMS.

[Andrien]

There are already several free, fully instanced forms of PVP that you can do at your leisure.

STOP SUGGESTING FIXES TO NON PROBLEMS.

what are these several free forms of instanced PvP?

the problem is not about fixing anything. its about making it appealing for players, and a worthwhile event.

[Deadvinta]

Improving any part of PVP systems will automatically shift a large faction of FFXI players toward PVP, only caring about PVP, and only gearing for PVP. We don't need this.

[Vortex]

There is nothing they can do to ballista that will ever make it appealing, the way this game works it will always be unbalanced. this is something that should just be left alone, it's not rewarding, there is no challange, all it is who has the cheapest job and can exploit crap the most, and fool people into thinking skill is invovled, it's just something to do when you are extreamly bored with the actual challange aspects of this game (assuming you have more then 1 job) terrible system, it can stay in the dirt, i'm sorry if that offends the "PVP" fans but facts are facts,

May as well turn games like quake and call of duty into RPGs. i hate idiots who come up saying they are the "best pvper" when it's like saying i'm the best retarded kid in the special class.

[Leonlionheart]

Improving any part of PVP systems will automatically shift a large faction of FFXI players toward PVP, only caring about PVP, and only gearing for PVP. We don't need this.

I don't understand what would give you those ideas.

[Zarchery]

what are these several free forms of instanced PvP?

the problem is not about fixing anything. its about making it appealing for players, and a worthwhile event.

Several was a strong word, written in haste, but Brenner has been around for like 6 years.

[Andrien]

Improving any part of PVP systems will automatically shift a large faction of FFXI players toward PVP, only caring about PVP, and only gearing for PVP. We don't need this.

seems like a case of pvp paranoia.


it's not rewarding, there is no challange

make it rewarding and a challenge. for example they can make it a worthwhile event like how campaign and besiege once was. Both those large scale pve events is dying slowly right now because it is not really rewarding at all.


i hate idiots who come up saying they are the "best pvper" when it's like saying i'm the best retarded kid in the special class.

Personal experience, I never in my entire ballista career known anyone who brag about PvP in FFXI, because it was a sport, you have an objective to complete just like in Brenner. I see more people brag about conquest campaign when Windurst takes control of West Ronfaure outpost.. LS braging against other LS. etc

Seriously guys is this the best arguments/attempts/reasons you can come up with? You don't have to play PvP. I take my leave..

[Vortex]

seems like a case of pvp paranoia.



make it rewarding and a challenge. for example they can make it a worthwhile event like how campaign and besiege once was. Both those large scale pve events is dying slowly right now because it is not really rewarding at all.

I don't think Campaign would ever recover unless it was involved in some kind of relic upgrade or they added 95-99 gear to it same with besiged, only reason to even do that is if you are low on ISP as it used to be for skill ups but abyssea took care of that.




Personal experience, I never in my entire ballista career known anyone who brag about PvP in FFXI, because it was a sport, you have an objective to complete just like in Brenner. I see more people brag about conquest campaign when Windurst takes control of West Ronfaure outpost.. LS braging against other LS. etc

This was a bit exaggarated, it's more of people saying "no one can beat me in pvp" or " i have yet to met anyone who can beat me, i'll kill anyone" etc etc. just assinine, retarded comments people make like it's something actually special to beat somone in balista when all it depends on is who can dot you and run the most or nuke run, or some form of cheap tactic to make sure they get a win. and it's always the biggest idiots who brag about it because they are either not good at any other aspect of this game or they simply can't function doing anything else. imo if all you care about is pvp then it is time to play something else. (not you directly, just a general statment)

i understand game gets boring and people want more fun things to do in this game, but i don't see balista being part of it. but that's just me.


Seriously guys is this the best arguments/attempts/reasons you can come up with? You don't have to play PvP. I take my leave..

And that's why people don't..there is a reason it is unpopular.

[Andrien]

of course we all know the reason.. adding elements that will make it rewarding, and worthwhile will make it more popular than it is now. again those elements doesn't have to force anyone to play it.

[Runespider]

Improving any part of PVP systems will automatically shift a large faction of FFXI players toward PVP, only caring about PVP, and only gearing for PVP. We don't need this.

Any rewards should be PVP only gear (aside from a ranking system), with stats/bonuses only active when doing a PVP match. That way only those that like doing it have to worry, those that hate pvp never have to force themslvers as is a problem with WoW.

Brenner/Ballista would take off more if it had a larger playerbase to source matches from, the biggest thing that kills it atm is few do it on every server. If it could source players from every server then that would change.

[Dart]

the amount of stupid in this thread is getting dangerous

[tinydog]

they need to nerf blue mage before touching anything pvp related.

[Inafking]

they need to nerf blue mage before touching anything pvp related.

This is why PvP is not welcome in this game.

[Alhanelem]

I like ballista, but we don't really have to have a special server for it or some weird new content. The current options are fine, and I'd rather those be improved than something new added when they haven't gotten what they already have polished up yet.


This is why PvP is not welcome in this game. it IS welcome in this game. It does not affect any non-PvP player at all, so there is no reason not to welcome it. I only disagree with the idea of taking PvP outside of a container or making a special server.

Just because *you* don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Also, making PvP any better doesn't mean that suddenly everyone's going to want to do it over anything else. As many people on this forum have established they simply don't like playing it, plenty of people will continue to opt out. No one suggested that the new best set of gear come from ballista or anything of the sort.

[Harukusan]

What I find disgusting is people who go out of their way to argue against PvP simply because they don't like it or could never get into it to begin with. Hello people! Ballista and Brenner are not required events and therefore you do not have to participate in it whatsoever. If you do not wish to play, that's your choice. We are merely trying to come up with ways to appeal to newer players who are on the fence about it. They may have some interest but are not sure what to do or are unsure of their own capabilities. Old Ballista fanatics need no rewards, if people show up, they more than likely will too.

BTW, the skilled players in PvP are the ones who DESTROY the "cheap jobs" that "exploit players' weak points." Which is also a good tactic at times. A BLM isn't going to stand there and get slaughtered by a MNK on purpose. BLU is not the end-all of Ballista as they are no stronger than a SAM or WAR, and have paper defense. Everyone has a weak point, part of the challenge is finding it to overcome said player (Mr. Bragsalot). The only job that scares me is Ochain PLD and only as certain jobs, but I learn more and more about them by practicing with one, rather than giving up and saying it's stupid when really it's just too hard for you.

Face it. All you naysayers were the ones who got picked on in Ballista now you're here crying about it to us saying that it should be banished from the game.

[SpankWustler]

I have as much interest in Ballista and Brenner as I have in eating an entire bicycle over the course of a day, but this sounds like the best thing that could happen for the minority of weirdos who actually like it.

The main problem is that there are only a few dozen people on each server who enjoy this kind of thing in FFXI, and this would let them all get together. It sounds like it would require a lot of resources, but obviously I'm in no position to know that as a fact.

[Dreamin]

The really bad reason to do this: it will take away more resources (which already seems to be very limited as is) where they could be doing something that truly benefit everyone and not just those who wants PvP. Oh, say something like a REAL expansion to the Northland? East perhaps? How about the homeland for the Mithras? Galkas? Pick a direction and go!

[Alhanelem]

Simple solution: Devote more resources to the products that are making money.

[Anathiel]

The really bad reason to do this: it will take away more resources (which already seems to be very limited as is) where they could be doing something that truly benefit everyone and not just those who wants PvP. Oh, say something like a REAL expansion to the Northland? East perhaps? How about the homeland for the Mithras? Galkas? Pick a direction and go!

Galka homeland is altepa. Nice try though, and I'm surprised you didn't know that being from bastok. The reason I can't stand ballista/brenner had nothing to do with it not being fun, it had to do with the complete imbalance of jobs. If you were a mnk, pld, or mage, Chances are you were gonna do pretty well in ballista. Not to mention there wasn't a real rewarding reward lol.

[Runespider]

The reason I can't stand ballista/brenner had nothing to do with it not being fun, it had to do with the complete imbalance of jobs. If you were a mnk, pld, or mage, Chances are you were gonna do pretty well in ballista. Not to mention there wasn't a real rewarding reward lol.

That's nice but this wasn't about making people that hated it like it. It was about letting those that do like it have a place they can all meet up to do it how it should be done.

As someone said though, hopefully the test server can fill the role.

[Mirage]

The really bad reason to do this: it will take away more resources (which already seems to be very limited as is) where they could be doing something that truly benefit everyone and not just those who wants PvP. Oh, say something like a REAL expansion to the Northland? East perhaps? How about the homeland for the Mithras? Galkas? Pick a direction and go!

I'd say you're delusional if you really think those areas would be implemented with the resources saved from not updating pvp events.

[Harukusan]

They already said on these forums that they have 0 intention on developing any more expansions. At least not in the next couple years. The so-called "resources" that are there are being used to bring us the bulk amount of upcoming minor updates which seemingly emphasize on giving the little guys a break. If they were to say they are planning the development of a future expansion, my support would be all for it. Hell, I would donate money just to help get the process going. But that just isn't going to happen. And so with the game's ongoing trend of pointlessness and quick and easy methods of accomplishing relevant goals, my only hope is that PvP will some day be as active as it once was, because no matter how unrewarding it is materially, I feel rewarded by actually enjoying some aspect of FFXI rather than wonder why I'm letting my money dwindle every month.

[Cursed]

the amount of stupid in this thread is getting dangerous

a rare treat indeed to observe such an abundance of it.