How Gear Swapping Works: Simple Macros for the Simple Minded

[Zatias]

Hello. Pardon the title; I have a bad sense of humor.

I am not here to bash anyone, shove ideas or playstyles down people's throats. Nor am I saying that these macros are the only way to play this game. I simply want to point people unfamiliar with equip macros in the right direction.

What is a macro? (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Macro)

I will give examples of how, when used properly, gear swap macros can save your life, increase your damage, and be more efficient with MP.

<What can I change out without losing TP?> You may change out everything except main, sub, and ranged equipment. Keep in mind that ammo slot is not ranged slot and also may be switched without TP loss! For mages, this doesn't really matter (unless you are meleeing for some reason~) and I encourage staff swaps.

Let's begin the guide!

If you have a problem with me attempting to help people learn macro usage, please rage elsewhere. Thanks in advance.


Your "Main" Set
Your main set is the set of gear you will use in most situations. For mages this might include MP and Refresh, for melee, it might include Haste, Accuracy, and Attack. These should be 1 to 3 macro buttons that are easy to find, and usually right next to each other.

Alt OOOXXXXXXX
Similar to this picture, your main set macros will be easily accessed as the Os.

Alt OXXOXXXOXX
In this picture, the staggered Os make this more complicated and is not recommended.

As an example, here are my DNC macros for my "main" set.





With the click of these 2 buttons, I already have most of my gear equipped. Seems handy, doesn't it? Notice that in this set, I stacked Haste. This is because it's a basic melee set. Who doesn't wanna attack fast?

Very nice Haste Guide here if you wanna read more on that. (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1847-Haste-and-You...-A-guide-to-the-misinformed.) This thread is mainly to inform of gear change macros.

Having your main set macroed has a number of benefits. The most important of them is the ease you will have putting all your main stuff back on after using another gear macro to do something else, such as Waltz or Cure someone.

Or weaponskill. ;P


Your Weaponskill Set
This set is as the title says; gear you will switch into right before you weaponskill. Easy enough to understand, right?

Alt XXXXXXXOOA
Similar to this picture, your weaponskill set macros can be easily accessed as the Os. The A is where your actual weaponskill macro can be to make it even more simple.

Same deal with your main set, you can use 1-3 macro buttons to set this gear up. More examples from my DNC set.




After clicking these two buttons (takes about 1 second) you can then followup with your weaponskill.

[Indent]


Once the weaponskill is done, you can click back to your main set. That wasn't so hard, was it? :D Gear swapping when you weaponskill can double your normal damage or more, so yes it's worth the trouble.

Can't Touch This: Evasion Set
Even with your capped evasion skill, you can't always avoid the attack the enemy throws at you. Some enemies are extremely accurate, and you might need help from gear!

Alt XXXOOXXXXX
Easily accessed next to your main set, your evasion set can be clicked in a heartbeat when you are struggling in battle.





Zip~ you're in your full evasion set. Now you can better assess the situation and react to it without being mauled.


Medic! Macros for Curing
Not much to explain here. You or a partner has been hit, and you need to cure them the best you can.

Ctrl OOOXXXXXXX
You can place your 3 most common cures around here.










Notice the <stal> and not <stpc>. This is highly recommended due to the "blinking" issue some healers have. <stal> allows you to target and keep targeting any alliance member, even if they blink.

Enhancing your potency per cure can be a lifesaver and can mean the difference from having to cure or waltz once, or having to do it twice. I'd stick with the single heal.

Example: Curing Waltz V heals for around 800 normally. With stacked waltz potency gear you can easily see over 1k per heal with this ability. That's about a 200 HP difference.

The same goes for Cures. Your average cure 4 will cure for around 400, but with the right cure potency swaps it can reach over 600. This is the difference between having to cast a single cure 4 or having to top it off with a cure 3. That's saving you at least 46 MP right there!


Misc. Abilities
Most job abilities can be enhanced with certain gear. For example, a Dancer's Steps can be made more accurate with (shocked!) accuracy gear. The duration of a Samba can be lengthened if you use the ability with artifact head equipped. Violent Flourish can stun more often if you add some magic accuracy to it. The list goes on; here are a few examples.








After using these abilities, you may switch back to your melee set.


What it will look like

ALT
[melee1][melee2][melee3][eva1][eva2][Eva3][WS1][WS2][WS3][WeaponskillName]

CTRL
[Cure1][Cure2][Cure3][HasteSamb][DrainSamb][ReverseFl][Step1][Step2][Stun]

I hope that paints a decent picture of a simple macro set for DNC. The blacked out can be replaced with better macros if you don't need the extra macro slots.

By now you should have a pretty good idea of how to set up macros for any job.

More Macros (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13410-How-Gear-Swapping-Works-Simple-Macros-for-the-Simple-Minded?p=181567#post181567)
The guide is bursting with too much information for a single post. It is continued at the link above!

Closing Note
Keep in mind that all my macro examples are just that: Examples. You do not need the same gear as me. You can use gear with similar stats in its place, or even better gear than what I mentioned. I am aware that my sets are also far from perfect, so save the bashing and leave this guide to people struggling with gearswaping.

Also, any additions/corrections are welcomed, if they are constructive and kept simple. I thank you all for your support and ideas for this guide.

Just remember, arrange your macros anyway you wish, as long as they dont confuse you during battle. Make your own macros, try them out, and edit them how you like!

Good luck!

[cidbahamut]

I'd like to point out that you can also "stack" macros so they're all layered on one position in the macro palette by making use of the follow syntax: /macro set #

This lets you jump around to different lines in your macro book, so you can have a setup that looks like this:

CTRL 1 (first line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 2
CTRL 1 (second line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 3
CTRL 1 (third line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/Ja MurderTown <t>

This lets you swap out a full 15 pieces of gear and execute your spell, Weaponskill or whatever with 3 keystrokes. If you run out of space in a single macro book you can switch between them using: /macro book #

Happy macro building.

[Nvr]

Wouldn't the weapon skill macro require you to return to set 1?

[Ravenmore]

Should put up in the largest font how <stal> works and why every mage you should use it not matter what. Its even the best way to heal while using a controler so those pesky ps2 players have no reason not to use it.

[Zatias]

Should put up in the largest font how <stal> works and why every mage you should use it not matter what. Its even the best way to heal while using a controler so those pesky ps2 players have no reason not to use it.

lol will do XD

And I myself play with a controller. It's really not that hard.

[Reiterpallasch]

Should put up in the largest font how <stal> works and why every mage you should use it not matter what. Its even the best way to heal while using a controler so those pesky ps2 players have no reason not to use it.
But we'll still get people who have never actually used it to come in spouting how we're wrong and that it still makes you lose target when people blink.

[Quetzacoatl]

I love this thread.

[Ravenmore]

lol will do XD

And I myself play with a controller. It's really not that hard.

I play with one too. Just some posters on here I will not name think using <stal> is the same as thirdparty tools or they get it mixed up with plugins like blink me not. It always comes back to them saying thier good with out it but can't or won't admit even if they are good with out it they could be better with it taking 5 mins to set it up and a joining a exp party to get use to it.

[Leonlionheart]

If only SE would adapt Windower into the actual game so you wouldn't have to deal with those GOD FORSAKEN limited macros.

Being able to change all your PDT gear or MDT gear at once is kind of a game changer at times.

... not that I use it or anything

[Zatias]

I'd like to point out that you can also "stack" macros so they're all layered on one position in the macro palette by making use of the follow syntax: /macro set #

This lets you jump around to different lines in your macro book, so you can have a setup that looks like this:

CTRL 1 (first line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 2
CTRL 1 (second line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 3
CTRL 1 (third line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/Ja MurderTown <t>

This lets you swap out a full 15 pieces of gear and execute your spell, Weaponskill or whatever with 3 keystrokes. If you run out of space in a single macro book you can switch between them using: /macro book #

Happy macro building.

Thanks, but I was aiming for simple macros for people who are ill informed. This stuff is useful but it also might baffle newer players ^^;

[Kimara]

If only SE would adapt Windower into the actual game so you wouldn't have to deal with those GOD FORSAKEN limited macros.

Being able to change all your PDT gear or MDT gear at once is kind of a game changer at times.

... not that I use it or anything

We're all the same and hear you loud and clear >.> lol

As for the guide it's very nice and put together well, would be good for misinformed or new people :D!

[Alkalinehoe]

Pfffffffft skill>gear when you can solo 5 ep mobs at level 30.



Great guide though, but I fear it will just be a new place to start flames.

[Aver]

Pfffffffft skill>gear when you can solo 5 ep mobs at level 30.



Great guide though, but I fear it will just be a new place to start flames.

plus an IT add with a well timed 2-hr.

[Chaitea]

I've been playing for about 2 years now... How did I not know about <stal>?

Yeah, my noobishness is very apparent here, but THANK YOU!

[Rayik]

Gear swapping is just how this game works. I'll admit when I first came to FFXI, my brain was still in table-top D&D mode, where swapping gear would cost entire rounds of turns, but even with the standard couple lines of macro default in-game, there's really no excuse not to do it. Thank you OP for this guide, it would've saved me a LOT of trouble 5 years ago, lmao.

[Aver]

I've been playing for about 2 years now... How did I not know about <stal>?

Yeah, my noobishness is very apparent here, but THANK YOU!

Because <t> is the default go-to (effortless) targeting command for everything. It's all good though since you learned, which is the point of the thread.

Now we need a discussion on the good and awesomeness that is <stnpc> for all my mob-engaged bretheren.

[DebbieGibson]

stal and stpt do not work with f1-f6 and are therefore worthless.

[Mirabelle]

stal and stpt do not work with f1-f6 and are therefore worthless.

For those of us that use a controller, stal and stpt are godsends. Different strokes for different folks.

[cidbahamut]

Thanks, but I was aiming for simple macros for people who are ill informed. This stuff is useful but it also might baffle newer players ^^;

You are correct, and I'm not very good at wording it clearly, but I figured it should be posted nonetheless. I've run into a lot of folks who do heavy gearswapping who don't know about it and I thought I'd try to spread the knowledge around. Also it's just a pain in the butt to have a bunch of gearswap macros next to each other and then the WS/JA/Spell on yet another, so this lets those who care know that yes they can indeed set things up so they just have to keep whacking the same button, rather than running all over their macro palette.

*shrug*

[Raksha]

You could use <stnpc> in your step macro instead of <st>. STNPC will only target enemies and NPCs, so you don't have to click through every player to get to the mob you want.

[Aver]

stal and stpt do not work with f1-f6 and are therefore worthless.

Go fail somewhere else.

If you're slacking off on your cures that the amount of time it takes to push the up/down arrows to target the person causes them to die, a job with access to restorative magic is not for you.

edit: Also, <stal> targetting starts with the person you have targetted, unless you have a blank target - in which case it starts with yourself.

[Kimara]

People still play on Keyboard?
Controller4life! <3

[Aver]

People still play on Keyboard?
Controller4life! <3

:( XB360 controller triggers don't work properly for 11 on PC, last I checked.

14 though, controller ftw. Cannot stand keyboard controls for 14.

[Mirage]

But we'll still get people who have never actually used it to come in spouting how we're wrong and that it still makes you lose target when people blink.

The biggest problem with stal and stpt for me is that you don't instantly see how far away they are, sometimes leading to "target is too far away".

[Kimara]

:( XB360 controller triggers don't work properly for 11 on PC, last I checked.

14 though, controller ftw. Cannot stand keyboard controls for 14.

And this is why I use a Playstation style controller on PC.

[Raksha]

:( XB360 controller triggers don't work properly for 11 on PC, last I checked.

14 though, controller ftw. Cannot stand keyboard controls for 14.

Google XBCD. It's a 3rd party driver that turns the triggers into normal buttons.

If you're using Vista it'll be a huge pita to get the driver installed though.

[BorkBorkBork]

Whaa whaaa whaaaaat? Gear swapping is good? Next thing your going to tell us is that the earth is round and that ruby lights aren't actually bad. Your cheating tactics will not work on me and I suggest you step back and arrange yourself sir.

[Rayik]

Gear swapping is cheating! Someone call a GM!

:)

[Gokku]

Google XBCD. It's a 3rd party driver that turns the triggers into normal buttons.

If you're using Vista it'll be a huge pita to get the driver installed though.
3rd party sowftware XBAWKS CONTROLLER IS CHEATING!

[Aver]

Google XBCD. It's a 3rd party driver that turns the triggers into normal buttons.

If you're using Vista it'll be a huge pita to get the driver installed though.

Even worse, I'm using Win7-64. Good luck trying to get an unsigned driver running there.

Same problem I had trying to get my dualshock3 recognized/running.

[Finuve]

Even worse, I'm using Win7-64. Good luck trying to get an unsigned driver running there.

Same problem I had trying to get my dualshock3 recognized/running.MotionInJoy purchased driver signatures (even though it wasnt hard to get working before hand) Ive been using Dualshock 3 with motioninjoy drivers for win7 64bit for well over a year now, and I've been using the signed version for about a month

[Kimara]

Last few posts made me lol hard XD. <3 u guys...

[Rosina]

I would suggest to clean the guide up a bit to make it easier to understand and remove the spoilers. Also had videos to SHOW gear swaping AND that other macro targeting s9o those can see it actually works. Actions speak louder then words. If you can edit the title, If you wanna help try to be less condencending.

Some of the replies though are pretty rude if not false. And some make my wonder why people take this game super seriously.

Pro tip: if you wanna make a guide, understand what the guide is for, who the guide is for. And for what type of product. Game guides should be a fun read. Not electronic instrustions, like the old joke comment of vcrs.

to be honest I never did any of this stuff mentioned hear, and I never had a problem. Typically as dnc I out cure the whms/ healers in the party. It really is all about fast reflexes but also lag can play a role.

Also there is a difference between being "good" and over complicating things.

Anyway as I stated decent guide. Thank for writing it. :)

[cidbahamut]

Yes, which is why we should just ignore her and carry on in the hopes that she'll go away or at least take the drama to another thread so this one can continue being productive.

[DebbieGibson]

If you're slacking off on your cures that the amount of time it takes to push the up/down arrows to target the person causes them to die, a job with access to restorative magic is not for you.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? People die instantly, it isn't like there's a timer that counts down from 10 when they hit 0 hp before they die. If their HP is 0 then they are dead and you can no longer cure them. Anything at all, including using up/down arrows, that slows your cures down can cause people to die. Controller is garbage and always will be when compared to keybinds.

[cidbahamut]

So your solution is what, to just not cure anyone in the alliance who isn't in your immediate party?

[Kimara]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? People die instantly, it isn't like there's a timer that counts down from 10 when they hit 0 hp before they die. If their HP is 0 then they are dead and you can no longer cure them. Anything at all, including using up/down arrows, that slows your cures down can cause people to die. Controller is garbage and always will be when compared to keybinds.

I love controller personally, I can't imagine going back to keyboard. After you use a controller long enough you become really fast with it. I've never had a problem curing with stal. I'm not saying one is superior to the other I am just particular to controller. If I ever were to come across a problem where I couldn't even scroll fast enough, I would macro their name. Fixed!

[RAIST]

eh.. if you're paying attention, you will be already targetting the people that are taking a beating in the first place, and tossing you're cures before they are in danger of hitting 0. But.. that's a whole different issue outside of what ST tag you are using.

As for getting controllers to work...I've been using my PS2 controller via a USB converter I found in Walmart years ago. Has multiple ports on it--PS, XB, Gamecube, and 2 USB. Can probly still nab them on ebay, newegg, etc.--might even be one that takes a 360 controller, IDK.

[Ravenmore]

Keeping people capped not just when they take enough dmg to use a cure 6 helps too. Cure 4 aslong as you not spaming it is enough to top off someone with out wasting your oh sh*t timers on cure 5 and 6. Knowing when and what spell to use is just as important as not lossing target. Really there more then 2 cure spells in the game whm can use.

[Aver]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? People die instantly, it isn't like there's a timer that counts down from 10 when they hit 0 hp before they die. If their HP is 0 then they are dead and you can no longer cure them. Anything at all, including using up/down arrows, that slows your cures down can cause people to die. Controller is garbage and always will be when compared to keybinds.

Sup, WHM since late 03 chiming in. Yeah, I have every idea what I'm talking about, since I've done it all from ground HNMs all the way to lolAbyssea and everything in between.

So I second my previous post. If you're slacking in your curing, gtfo whm. I don't want to see you on it.

(Yes, I know people get one-shotted and lag spikes happen. That IS beyond your control. Everything else is not. Stop eating your cheese sandwich and focus.)

[Kimara]

Sup, WHM since late 03 chiming in. Yeah, I have every idea what I'm talking about, since I've done it all from ground HNMs all the way to lolAbyssea and everything in between.

So I second my previous post. If you're slacking in your curing, gtfo whm. I don't want to see you on it.

(Yes, I know people get one-shotted and lag spikes happen. That IS beyond your control. Everything else is not. Stop eating your cheese sandwich and focus.)

I agree with this, besides if someone is getting "One-shotted" No WHM was gonna be able to save them anyways.

[Khiinroye]

Another hint for the gear swaps:

If you are worried about the spelling or abreviations,you can use the autotranslate to help. First, open your inventory. This is required, as the {Item} autotranslate is limited to items you have recently viewed, and you need to force the items in your inventory into the list. Bring up the autotranslate menu, scroll to {Items}, and open the list. It should be the last category, so I just press up and I'm there. This will refresh your ability to auto-complete items when typing them in.

When making your equipment change macros, type in the first few letters of the item name and bring up autotranslate. Be sure to note, this uses the abbreviated versions. Many of the empyrean/relic/artifact armors have the first word shortened, so be sure to know what abbreviations are used for those. Pick the autotranslated name of the item, and then put quotation marks around the item name. The quotation marks are required. Unless the item name is one word, but use them anyways for consistency.

Make sure that you spell /equip correctly and use the appropriate slot in
/equip slot "Item Name"

Whenever you change an equipment swap macro, test it out to make sure that each line that you changed or added is working.

Edit:
One last note--if you are changing both rings or earrings to the same type of item, separate the lines if possible. If the lines are consecutive, the macro will try to equip the same ring to both slots, and one of the equipment swaps will fail.

Instead of
/equip body "WS body"
/equip ring1 "Pyrosoul ring"
/equip ring2 "Pyrosoul ring"

Use
/equip ring1 "Pyrosoul ring"
/equip body "WS body"
/equip ring2 "Pyrosoul ring"

[CrystalWeapon]

I would suggest to clean the guide up a bit to make it easier to understand and remove the spoilers. Also had videos to SHOW gear swaping AND that other macro targeting s9o those can see it actually works. Actions speak louder then words. If you can edit the title, If you wanna help try to be less condencending.

Some of the replies though are pretty rude if not false. And some make my wonder why people take this game super seriously.

Pro tip: if you wanna make a guide, understand what the guide is for, who the guide is for. And for what type of product. Game guides should be a fun read. Not electronic instrustions, like the old joke comment of vcrs.

to be honest I never did any of this stuff mentioned hear, and I never had a problem. Typically as dnc I out cure the whms/ healers in the party. It really is all about fast reflexes but also lag can play a role.

Also there is a difference between being "good" and over complicating things.

Anyway as I stated decent guide. Thank for writing it. :)

If you want concrete examples as to why changing gear mid battle is useful, look at any mage class. Say you want to nuke something down, the magical damage staffs provide a 30% damage increase and 10% magical accuracy bonus. Let's say without this bonus your nuke on a particular mob hits for 3,000 (just a random damage example). If you swap to using the magical damage staffs for each element, your nukes will increase to 3,900 damage. That's a noticable difference. Now whether your reactions are fast or slow it doesn't matter that 30% increase still applies to both types of players.

Similarly healing magic has a staff that increases cures by 22% meaning on a (another random example) 900 hp cure would be increased to a 1,098 cure by swapping in that gear. The effect is multiplied more if you swap in other gear to further boost the %.

Just keep in mind that whatever set you are using as a static set can also be used by players who swap gear. The difference is that when the situation changes say they want to max their ws damage, the swappers can change in gear to max the damage at that situation. They can gear up exactly as you do and do the same thing that you do but with the flexibility to switch to another layout that maxes their performance in every category. That means they can attack at the fastest possible rate they can at any time they want, deal the highest possible damage per ws at any time they want, have the highest rate of evasion at any time they want, etc... they aren't limited in any way sans their ability to hold multiple sets. On a 4 second delay weapon 25% haste will hit approx. 1,200 in an hour vs 900 with 0% haste. It's all mathmatical there are no exceptions to things in this game that are dictated by static numbers.

Note: No one is telling you how to play or that you have to play a certain way. They are merely telling you that if you do this you will perform better which is a cold hard fact. If you choose to play a certain way that's a choice, but you can't say 4>6 and not expect to be corrected on it. That said drop it, move on, don't drag this topic into another fight.

[Romanova]

Sup, WHM since late 03 chiming in. Yeah, I have every idea what I'm talking about, since I've done it all from ground HNMs all the way to lolAbyssea and everything in between.

So I second my previous post. If you're slacking in your curing, gtfo whm. I don't want to see you on it.

(Yes, I know people get one-shotted and lag spikes happen. That IS beyond your control. Everything else is not. Stop eating your cheese sandwich and focus.)


^ I have always used a controller in ffxi and have healed just fine with it.

Heck at one point in my ffxi life I decided it would be a good idea to do the whole dual box madness (F THAT NEVAR AGAIN, and not 'cause I sucked it just gave me headaches trying to split my brain especially since at the time I was main assist in dynamis), and I would use the keyboard (on the pc) for my melee, and a controller (on ps2) for my healer.

Controller is not that bad. I think people assume the opposite when they just simply aren't used to it. When I first started on the keyboard for my melee dualboxing it was a nightmare for me 'cause I wasn't used to it. But I was patient until it became insanely easy.

[Kensagaku]

I aim impressed by this guide, just looking at it. It's nice to see someone really trying to help educate folks without shoving it down their throats! You put out a guide that offers suggestions, as well as pertinent examples, and honestly it's very well written out.

I would like to make my own suggestion though, just to supplement it.

Don't waste a slot with a WS macro. Gear? Sure, go for it. For a controller I can see it a bit more but as a keyboard player I think it's silly. Honestly, it's easier to ctrl+w for your weapon skill menu, select the weapon skill and boom. Best part is that the cursor works on a "memory" function, so you can just hit it and hit enter rather than scrolling to the weapon skill every time. For a controller it's a bit more complicated since I imagine you have to navigate to Abilities -> Weapon Skills -> WS Name but that's a guess as I don't use one. :P

The only reason I say this is because sometimes macro palettes get full quite quickly (I'm looking at you, my RDM/BLM/BRD/SMN ;~; ) and as a result every saved slot helps.

[Pharaun]

Don't waste a slot with a WS macro. Gear? Sure, go for it. For a controller I can see it a bit more but as a keyboard player I think it's silly.

Another suggestion is that if you have empty space in the macro just add the weapon skill on to the end of that.

Line 1 - Gear change
Line 2 - Gear change
Line 3 - Gear change
Line 4 - Gear change
Line 5 - /wait 1
Line 6 - /ws "Ukko's Fury" <t>

The wait line isn't even strictly necessary, I just prefer to have it in there to make sure all the gear swaps are reqistered.

[Kensagaku]

Don't even need wait lines anymore! <wait 1> at the end of a gearswap line works just as well. :P

Line 1 - Gear change
Line 2 - Gear change
Line 3 - Gear change
Line 4 - Gear change <wait 1>
Line 5 - /ws "Ukko's Fury" <t>

[Rayik]

Ok, serious question. Is <wait 1> recommended for lengthy gear changes in WS macros? Is there a potential that the WS will activate before all the gear has been adjusted? Just one of those odd little things I keep forgetting to ask.

[Pharaun]

Oh man, I totally forgot that they changed that, thanks for the reminder.

[Kensagaku]

I don't really think so. I don't remember getting issues in switching gears unless my comp lagged. Aside from lag though, it's easiest to put a wait after the last one so a gear piece or two doesn't get cut off.

[Greatguardian]

Ok, serious question. Is <wait 1> recommended for lengthy gear changes in WS macros? Is there a potential that the WS will activate before all the gear has been adjusted? Just one of those odd little things I keep forgetting to ask.

This will pretty much never happen. Ask any Monk with a large Chakra Macro. I've always received the expected amount of HP without any /waits or delays in between my gear swaps and my Chakra activation.

[Ravenmore]

Theres only one case I know of a wait would help any is drg af/+1 legs it takes a sec or 2 for the 10/15% HP to kickin with your wyvern other then that its doesn't matter. Thats the only time wait would be used and if your soloing the extra HP healed is not worth the wait.

[DebbieGibson]

Sup, WHM since late 03 chiming in. Yeah, I have every idea what I'm talking about, since I've done it all from ground HNMs all the way to lolAbyssea and everything in between.

So I second my previous post. If you're slacking in your curing, gtfo whm. I don't want to see you on it.

(Yes, I know people get one-shotted and lag spikes happen. That IS beyond your control. Everything else is not. Stop eating your cheese sandwich and focus.)

How does targeting someone directly instead of using stal or stpt have anything to do with slacking on curing? Targeting them directly is faster than stpt or stal. Are you saying you never have anyone die mid-cure ever?

Just clarify for me here, how does the way you target someone have anything to do with "slacking on your cures". Also please clarify, HOW exactly do you slack on cures? If you aren't curing someone instantly when it's necessary then you are failing.

[DebbieGibson]

^ I have always used a controller in ffxi and have healed just fine with it.

But you'd still be better on keyboard.

[Rosina]

I'm sorry, but I wasn't insulting anything it was a lay out critique

Though I may not be the best typer, I am a decent lay out artist. And the guide is good, though I personaly will not use it. But for me it is hard to read with some of the clutter and "spoiler" tabs.
Personally, keyboard vs controler is just personal opinion. I'm quick when it comes to cures. And I tend to use the correct cures. And this is via a controler.

To jump the gun and lable everything I say as an insult. Maybe you should compare with the Actual insults people made. Such as the "funny" thread topic. Honestly if you wanted a good joke title. I woulda gone "Gear Swapping for Dummies" like those guides you find for just about eveything.

Sorry I tend to have a type A personality when it comes to page layout. You should see my Linkshell Rules for my LS in ffxiv.

[DebbieGibson]

macro their name. Fixed!

That's a solid method. Except you still have to use arrows(on controller dpad) to move over to the macro instead of just ctrl 1 2 3 4 5 6 with direct method.

[Rosina]

But you'd still be better on keyboard.

not if they have faster relexes. :) I out cured whms before it is all on what you're looking at, lag and for fast you react. But thanks for the heads up, just do not force us into play styles we are not confortable with. And by that i mean insulting us over 2 seconds. It is a game the hole "slacking in cures" mindset is trashy to read when it comes to this being a game.

Remember:) this is a video game, not a work place. Being anel over silly things makes the game unfun.

[Andreja]

Pretty awesome guide to help with gear swaps. I'm still relatively new and don't have much in terms of gear yet, but I will be using this and looking at other suggestions once I have a ton of gear. Thanks for the guide. :)

[Kimara]

That's a solid method. Except you still have to use arrows(on controller dpad) to move over to the macro instead of just ctrl 1 2 3 4 5 6 with direct method.

To me it's much faster than using a keyboard but that's because I've been using a controller for 6 years. I'm sure if I used a keyboard for that long I would be faster with it. It's kind of the same thing to me as me saying you have to move your hand to the 12345, or you have to press the key. It's really all muscle memory for me too, I don't have to look to know where it is in other words.

[DebbieGibson]

not if they have faster relexes. :)

Assuming equal reflexes obviously, direct keybinds are going to be faster than stal and stpt. Not by much of course, but every little bit counts.

[Kensagaku]

@Rosina

This isn't FFXIV. Take that part of the discussion elsewhere. I know you're trying to compare the layouts but let's focus on the task at hand rather than flouting ourselves, shall we? I'm glad you're all organized and whatnot, but we're not talking about you in this thread so please don't derail it. Instead we're focusing on offering macro advice for those who could benefit from it. No defenses/insults/ohmygodwhyareyousomeans from you, please just either contribute or leave this thread alone. If you want to fight it out, put up your dukes in a thread that wouldn't be vital to new players looking for advice.

That aside, it wasn't a necessary critique, nor did it actually contribute to the guide. The layout is organized into simple sections that are easy enough to identify, and with a little work can easily be implemented into any melee job. Mages can learn from it too, though they'd simply have to learn how to piece theirs together into a different sort of coherence so that they can locate their macros simply. The spoilers could be replaced by quotes but really it's meant to sort of block off the beginning and the end of the the macro lines. Ascetically it looks pretty good, honestly.

Now let it go, so we can work on improving this guide for people who actually use it. You don't use gear swaps, as you said, so I don't see why you're going to insert your presence in here anyway.

Edits because I got ninja'd on posts:

More @Rosina, first of all. You really can't stop just saying "I'm good!" can you? Really. I mean every post is some justification of your "skill". You can cure faster than a WHM? Good for you, DNC abilities are instant and WHMs have casting time, even if it can be reduced.

@Keyboard vs Controller talk - I believe that everyone can play in their own way; a person who's used to a keyboard, I imagine, would be terrible at a controller at first. I know I would and I'm a big-time gamer with controller reflexes, but it's a sorta different reflex that I've got to get used to for FFXI. The same would probably be the opposite for someone going from controller to keyboard - it's difficult to get adjusted to the playstyle quickly. Once you get used to either method, I'm sure it's still fairly quick. Often enough I can't tell the difference between the two.

[DebbieGibson]

Can we stop with the pansy controller and keyboard are both okay I love you you love me talk? When can we be really hardcore about this and admit that the few milliseconds you save by using keyboard make it superior?

[Greatguardian]

I'm sorry, but I wasn't insulting anything it was a lay out critique

Though I may not be the best typer, I am a decent lay out artist. And the guide is good, though I personaly will not use it. But for me it is hard to read with some of the clutter and "spoiler" tabs.
Personally, keyboard vs controler is just personal opinion. I'm quick when it comes to cures. And I tend to use the correct cures. And this is via a controler.

To jump the gun and lable everything I say as an insult. Maybe you should compare with the Actual insults people made. Such as the "funny" thread topic. Honestly if you wanted a good joke title. I woulda gone "Gear Swapping for Dummies" like those guides you find for just about eveything.

Sorry I tend to have a type A personality when it comes to page layout. You should see my Linkshell Rules for my LS in ffxiv.

prz criteke the layout of my thread on hear. i am not vry good wit layouts and i am internested in ur onion of it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/10087-A-Treatise-on-Fundamental-Game-Mechanics-in-the-Context-of-Early-2010-Paladin

[Reiterpallasch]

Pro tip: if you wanna make a guide, understand what the guide is for, who the guide is for.
The title is very clear and precise. Simple minded people do not use gear swaps. Therefore, the guide is for the simple minded.


But for me it is hard to read with some of the clutter and "spoiler" tabs
You have to click the "spoiler" button. It becomes much easier to read after that :)

[Kimara]

Can we stop with the pansy controller and keyboard are both okay I love you you love me talk? When can we be really hardcore about this and admit that the few milliseconds you save by using keyboard make it superior?

I would have to agree with you that millaseconds are defiantly saved on a keyboard using common sense. Thats why I never stated that one was faster than the other :3 I said I'm faster with a controller <3. Can we still love each other?

[Greatguardian]

Can we stop with the pansy controller and keyboard are both okay I love you you love me talk? When can we be really hardcore about this and admit that the few milliseconds you save by using keyboard make it superior?

Assuming windower for access to the ALT/Ctrl+F1-f6 Keybinds, yes. In a console+keyboard setting, curing people outside your party but inside your alliance, you are likely a little bit better off scrolling through the <stal> list with a d-pad than the arrow keys.

Everyone knows you'll be curing faster and reacting better with Windower+Keyboard though. The personal acclimation argument is akin to using a TI-84 over an HP calculator. Being familiar with one doesn't make it superior, just better for you at the present time. However, you're always better off in the end by training yourself to use the superior machine.

[Romanova]

Can we stop with the pansy controller and keyboard are both okay I love you you love me talk? When can we be really hardcore about this and admit that the few milliseconds you save by using keyboard make it superior?

If I can cure while we're fighting AV with a controller, those milliseconds mean absolutely nothing in this game. It's strictly about preference. I will be slower hitting the f1 button because I am more comfortable using the controller. I don't think you can train me to me more comfortable with a keyboard as I don't even use it for WoW outside of chat.



in the end though it doesn't matter because by your logic my g13 is greater than a keyboard anyway because of the easy button layout so me > you. :P

[Aver]

How does targeting someone directly instead of using stal or stpt have anything to do with slacking on curing? Targeting them directly is faster than stpt or stal. Are you saying you never have anyone die mid-cure ever?

Just clarify for me here, how does the way you target someone have anything to do with "slacking on your cures". Also please clarify, HOW exactly do you slack on cures? If you aren't curing someone instantly when it's necessary then you are failing.

I'm saying if you keep people topped off and pay attention to HP, after a certain point in the game that situation should never come to light. I'm not talking about Kazham and a goblin coming in and DA'ing your junk to the ground, because that's not where we are in the game anymore. Solace+Cure3/4*/5/6/Regens/Cura if you so happen to be in range (which you really shouldn't, but that's another story). With the amount of EZMode thrown at whms these days, short of an instacast meteor wiping your face, there's really no reason to have someone die.

CIV* italicized because I'll leave that up to the user. For trash mobs, who cares. If it counts and we're not in abyssea where Allure/MM is gonna save you, please use discretion.

edit: Hay, G510 ftw :D

[Tamoa]

Rosina, you play the game in the way you find fun, you've repeated this over and over and over and we get it, you can stop saying that now, ok?

This thread wasn't made so you could chime in to tell the OP his post layout isn't good enough (it is btw), or that you won't be using this guide (we all know that you don't gearswap so why would you?), or constantly remind us of how good you are. This is a GUIDE for people that aren't very familiar with macros, and a place to offer advice and ask questions about macros. Not your personal diary or blog where you whine about how mean people are and proceed with your usual insults, veiled as they might be (very thinly veiled though).

To the OP: it's a nice guide and I do wish there was a way it could be stickied. Thank you for taking the time to put it together and posting it.

[Nala]

I'd like to point out that you can also "stack" macros so they're all layered on one position in the macro palette by making use of the follow syntax: /macro set #

This lets you jump around to different lines in your macro book, so you can have a setup that looks like this:

CTRL 1 (first line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 2
CTRL 1 (second line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 3
CTRL 1 (third line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/Ja MurderTown <t>


holy cow... i was beginning to think i was the only person that used em that way, in the past ive tried explaining that type of application to others but they never got it...

[Octaviane]

Very nice guide, thank you for taking the time to write it up OP. :)

Controller vs keyboard.....Controller for me since I have used one for over 5 years, but if you're used to a keyboard then fine. It's all up to your personal preference.

[Zatias]

Thanks everyone for the input ^^

And who found the guide difficult to read? I designed it specifically so it was easier to understand. >.> Going to add in some people's ideas now.

[RAIST]

It's an nice template to start with, and customize as you see fit. Just remember you have multiple banks you can flip to easily with a quick key combo, so you can duplicate key macros to the same locations and have one section for the situational stuff. This can allow you a little more flexibility in the template (ie, not having to have the evasion macros in your main bank if you aren't relying on them much, and want to put something else in those spots and put the evasion macros in an alternate bank).

But for initial set up, it's a really nice baseline to work off of.

[Zatias]

But for initial set up, it's a really nice baseline to work off of.

That's the point ^^

[RAIST]

Yeah... wish I had thought of making a default template like that years ago. Some of my jobs are completely flip flopped from eachother....can't be arsed to get them lined up. Takes me a few minutes when I job change sometimes to get re-oriented. I have a seperate bank for each weapon class on some jobs...I'll be damned if I'm gonna rearrange every one of WAR or NIN's weapon banks... lol. Maybe one day if I'm REALLY bored.

[Zatias]

I would suggest to clean the guide up a bit to make it easier to understand and remove the spoilers. Also had videos to SHOW gear swaping AND that other macro targeting s9o those can see it actually works. Actions speak louder then words.

The "spoiler" button is to make the guide take up less space. If you want to see the macro, click the button >.> It's not hard. (Also goes with the theme of macro clicking ;P)

I don't have the time to buy a capture card or record myself clicking buttons. This would also defeat the purpose of the guide, I am attempting to help people make their own basic macrosets to try themselves. In that sense, it would be your action speaking louder than what I've written here.

[Malacite]

I'd like to point out that you can also "stack" macros so they're all layered on one position in the macro palette by making use of the follow syntax: /macro set #

This lets you jump around to different lines in your macro book, so you can have a setup that looks like this:

CTRL 1 (first line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 2
CTRL 1 (second line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/macro set 3
CTRL 1 (third line in macro book):
/equip stuff x5
/Ja MurderTown <t>

This lets you swap out a full 15 pieces of gear and execute your spell, Weaponskill or whatever with 3 keystrokes. If you run out of space in a single macro book you can switch between them using: /macro book #

Happy macro building.

Cool, I was aware of that feature but never thought to actually set up macros in that way.


I'd like to add my own tip as well for my fellow summoners.


Rather than macro individual pacts, it's better to group them all.

For example, I have "Celestial" for CTRL 1 on my 2nd pallete with the following.

/pet "Predator Claws" <t>
/pet "Rush" <t>
/pet "Chaotic Strike" <t>"


and so on, and I end it with a /recast just in case I miss the little blue numbers telling me how much time is left. Same deal goes for the Terrestial Avatars, Healing Wards, Defensive/Offensive Wards blah blah blah.

It's also very handy for some jobs to make 1 or more /recast macros (unless you use windower - I consider it cheating personally but w/e, not here to judge people) that does nothing but /recast for all your relevant JAs.


For example on my main SAM I would have:

/recast "Mediate"
/recast "Sekkanoki"
/recast "Sengikori"
/recast "Konzen-Ittai"


etc etc. It's a good idea to have a different one for different subjobs too, like for /DNC I would have included /recast "Curing Waltz III" or Bergressor for /WAR.


The only things I hate are that you can't force one macro to directly trigger another, and that regardless of what you name your Macro Books, you can never use /macro book command and input the name of the book - it always must be the corresponding number.

For that reason, I have them labelled 01WAR 02MNK 03WHM and so on, going on the order they appear (from left to right, top to bottom) in the Jobs menu.

[Zatias]

Please don't get this thread locked over your illusion that everyone is attacking you.

And how can't you click the spoilers tabs?

Melee1
/equip head "Charis Tiara +2"
/equip neck "Charis Necklace"
/equip body "Charis Carasque +2"
/equip hands "Dusk Gloves +1"
/equip legs "Charis Tights +2"
/equip feet "Charis Toeshoes +2"

Melee2
/equip back "Atheling Mantle"
/equip L.Ear "Brutal Earring"
/equip R.Ear "Suppanomimi"
/equip L.Ring "Rajas Ring"
/equip R.Ring "Angel's Ring"
/equip waist "Twilight Belt"

That's the first 2 "spoilers" in my guide. Should be enough to get you started, if you choose to try it.

Edit: By the way, my Angel's Ring is augmented with +5 accuracy and -2 enmity, which is why I use it in the first place.

[Rosina]

The "spoiler" button is to make the guide take up less space. If you want to see the macro, click the button >.> It's not hard. (Also goes with the theme of macro clicking ;P)

I don't have the time to buy a capture card or record myself clicking buttons. This would also defeat the purpose of the guide, I am attempting to help people make their own basic macrosets to try themselves. In that sense, it would be your action speaking louder than what I've written here.

i mean record the game stuff. Like using fraps or stuff. More or less to how dmg or heal increases between gear swaping and not gear swapping. You guys can ask what I mean if it isn't obviouse and if your on a ps3, you can't click those spoilers. This guide is for gear swaping using macros. What does that have to do with how the macro layout is or how you press buttons. That is why to me it is hard to read.
so question for ya. Is this guide on gear swaping? or Macro placement/ use from a keyboard point of view?

[RAIST]

you can "click" on the spoilers just like any other hyperlink--I just opened them by using only the keyboard and not my pointer by just tabbing until my focus was on the spoiler link, and hit enter or spacebar. Never browsed on a console, but I would expect it would follow similar mechanics--if you can click a link to a website, you should be able to click the spoiler tabs.

[Zatias]

I have a better idea for Rosina; make your own guide and make it easier to understand than mine. Or just leave my guide alone, it seems to be doing fine. Maybe you can actually read through my guide and try some of the stuff I mention if you wish. It might help you.

[Rosina]

oi vey
Zet please read what I wrote then the replies that followed. If it isn';t adding up people are trying to make it seem i'm here for attention not help you with a better lay out. I meant no disrespect. But the way it is set up for some can be hard to read. More or less in the complexity of how you set up the guide. Am I assuming people are attacking me. No, they infact are it is there in black in white. I'm not trying to get your thread locked, but I never said an insult. The only insults have been directed to me. Like the comment to ignore me when I did nothing wrong. Now i'm getting pointed the blame for something I never did. The only ones who gonna get your thread locked are people who trying to call me out on stupid things. The guiode is good. The lay out is an eye sore coming from being on the ps3. Like those x's and o's what purpose do those serve? Why do they have to be all black? (sorry for the harsh critisim, nothing personal) But w/e was only trying to help ya.

[Zatias]

Alt OOOXXXXXXX
Similar to this picture, your main set macros will be easily accessed as the Os.
How is this hard to understand?

The X and O are where the macros that are mentioned can be placed. Please read over it again, I've changed it to make it even more simple.

Also if you have a PC, try reading it on there.

(and your criticism isn't harsh, but it seems like you haven't read it fully to make those comments)

[RAIST]

console, keyboard or <gasp> combination of the two is irrelevant. The point is you are grouping macros together that you would use together. Hit a couple of buttons close together to gear for a situation or specific action--don't go 1, 2, 9 for a WS, but go 7, 8, 9--then 1,2,3 is just a quick step away (go right on a controller and it wraps you back to the other side) to regear for TP gain.

[Zatias]

console, keyboard or <gasp> combination of the two is irrelevant. The point is you are grouping macros together that you would use together. Hit a couple of buttons close together to gear for a situation or specific action--don't go 1, 2, 9 for a WS, but go 7, 8, 9--then 1,2,3 is just a quick step away (go right on a controller and it wraps you back to the other side) to regear for TP gain.

Yay, someone actually read the guide XD

[Alymorel]

I'm not gonna start a s***storm and get your thread locked Zatias.

Thank you for posting it, it has great information and I think it is beautifully laid out. I can follow it very simply and it isn't overly cluttered. It also helps new players and people trying to improve themselves do so. I can follow it on my pc and phone AND PS3 with no problems. ^^ Also, a lot of the other info at the beginning of the guide from most other players is very helpful and clear as well. And I think the title is clever, not the same boring thing you see all the time, it made me laugh and actually click on the thread in the first place.

In other words keep up the good work! ^^b

[Zatias]

Thank you ^^;

Also gonna let this sit for a while, time to actually play the game!

[Rosina]

umm be cause I read it, it was a good read. I can post that the guide layout is hard to read (because it is) And no some links on the ps3 do not work. I've tried meny ways. I'm pointing out a few things that might confuse people. And the only ones making it about me are you guys. I'm only replying to ya out of politeness. I've been talking about the guide and being on topic. I'm only trying to give my opinion on the lay out so anyone can find it easy to read and not like a VCR manuel. And not just easy to read but pleasing to the eyes as well. The macro info is lost in all of that stuff. And a person shouldn't have to click spoilers to understand how to set up their macros. Like the comands. Maybe you should list the macro commands and set up. Some people do not know those very well. And explain what each one does. Then list examples of what you can do with those macros.

Then if you have fraps or something record you playing the game (aka record ffxi) to show people how they work.

[Kensagaku]

@Rosina - You don't need fraps to show the effects of gear swapping. Simple math puts it out. I'm not Byrth (I'd drag him in here for mathing if I felt up to it) and I'm not a main DNC, but I can do a few simple calculations for proof:

Curing Waltz V formula: Amount Healed = floor(((Target's VIT+Caster's CHR)*1.25) + 600,1)

Now I'm just going to toss together a random TP set that has capped haste. Again, not a DNC so feel free to correct me if there's a better set, but this is merely for example's sake:

Kila+2/Twilight Knife/Nothing/Charis Feather
Charis Tiara+2/Charis Necklace/Suppanomimi/Brutal Earring
Charis Casaque +2/Dusk Gloves +1/Raja's Ring/Epona's Ring
Atheling Mantle/Twilight Belt/Charis Tights+2/Charis Toeshoes+2

This is a 26% Haste set, just using it as an example.

Let's use my Hume CHR and VIT, I'm going to ballpark because as I said I'm not a DNC main and don't have DNC90. So let's say 73 VIT, 81 CHR. Prolly off but hey, examples and whatnot. Gear also provides +20 CHR and +0 VIT, so that put our numbers at 73 VIT, 101 CHR.

Now, with the Curing Waltz V Forumla, using it on yourself, you calculate it as such: Amount Healed = floor(((73+101)*1.25) + 600,1). Your final total ends up as 817.5 HP, or 817 healed due to rounding down.

Let's toss on some gear that enhances Waltzes, shall we? Toss on Dancer's Casaque and Etoile Tiara instead of the current body/head pieces. This brings our CHR+ down to +8, so our new CHR is 89. And let's check the formula again, with a 15% bonus to Waltz Potency:

Curing Waltz V formula: Amount Healed = floor(((73+89)*1.25) + 600,1) which goes to 802.5, and then you multiply by 1.15 to get 922.875, or 922 HP restored.

922 - 817 is a 105 HP difference in Waltz Potency. That is a 12.85% increase in potency from the original; gear swaps are USEFUL. Curing that extra 105 HP can save your life in a number of situations. This is just the proof that gear swaps are good, and how they help.

Feel free to tie this into your front post as an example if you'd like, OP, but I don't expect it. :P

[Rosina]

@ ken, not everyone undestands the math you just did and visuals help better. Like I said ACTIONS speak louder then Words.
pretty much all in all prove it. :)

Pretty much words on the internet are meaningless. What is the likely hood that your math is off, or what you wrote is a lie? Or that this guide is a lie? So A person is suppose to just take your word for it?

People are smarter then that. Then enjoy proof. And videos of the game are great proof of that.

[Kensagaku]

How is it hard to understand that math when I did it for you...? Is a calculator so hard? D:

You add two numbers together, multiply the next number, and add on the last one. Yay order of operations! And then for a 15% boost you multiply 1.15 (115% translates to 1.15 when you put it in the equation.) It's not that hard. Some of the real math makes my head spin, now THAT stuff is hard. This is like Algebra. .-.

[RAIST]

well.. for those few that know nothing about setting up a macro, or how to use it because they either didn't get a manual or didn't read it....here it is, pretty much in a nutshell, so you don't really need to read the spoiler examples:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Macro

Maybe you can add the link into the OP for those that need to read up on macros first, then they will have info on how to make, organize, use, and save/restore their macros all from one guide.

Would that work for you?

[Alymorel]

Zatias, I think you should copy your original post, so you can remake the thread when this one gets locked, which it imminently will. The thread is a great idea and really helpful, too bad s*** has hit the fan, which we all know who to thank for that.

[Puck]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]
Hilarious. :D

Hopefully this guide gets more people on board, playing more effectively. At the very least it will hopefully get more healers to use <stal>. Now I know why I end up having to cure other parties' members in an alliance, their healers must still be using <t> thinking it's the only way. >.<

Personally I'm astonished that are still people out there that actually argue AGAINST gear-swapping. That's tantamount to arguing that, while a spoon would be far more effective to eat cereal, you will continue to eat your cereal with a fork just so you don't have to switch utensils after eating your pancakes.

[Rosina]

Hilarious. :D

Hopefully this guide gets more people on board, playing more effectively. At the very least it will hopefully get more healers to use <stal>. Now I know why I end up having to cure other parties' members in an alliance, their healers must still be using <t> thinking it's the only way. >.<

Personally I'm astonished that are still people out there that actually argue AGAINST gear-swapping. That's tantamount to arguing that, while a spoon would be far more effective to eat cereal, you will continue to eat your cereal with a fork just so you don't have to switch utensils after eating your pancakes.

Not everyone enjoys making the game more cpomplex then needed. Or making overly complicated macros. Some people just play to relax. Some people just play, and not take things super seriously. (just replying the various reason people dislike gear swaping)

[Kensagaku]

Yet as a result, people die, cannot kill more powerful NMs and clear harder missions without leeching off the efforts of other players or Apoc-Zombieing, and are less efficient in cures, nukes, enfeebles, weapon skills, you name it. Gear swapping helps a lot.

[Kimble]

I think, "not gear swapping" and "working their butts off" is an oxymoron.

[Rosina]

I think, "not gear swapping" and "working their butts off" is an oxymoron.
playing. Games are not jobs. ~.~

But really I play just as well as anyone here. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).]

[Alymorel]

There is a difference between constructive criticism and an insult.

"Hey, thanks for writing the guide. It has a a lot of great info in it. Can I make a suggestion though? I'm on a PS3 and it's a bit hard to read. I can't seem to click on the spoilers, and the post itself appears a bit jumbled for me to read. Also, in my opinion, the title seems to be a bit condescending, it might make some users shy away from your guide.

Personally, I don't use gear-swaps as I've never noticed a big difference and it hinders my own play style, but hey, to each his own. Why not try throwing some pics or videos in if you could to show the finer points of your guide and to really show how it's done? It could also make the guide more entertaining and get more people to check out the guide.

Anyway, as I stated, decent guide. Thanks for writing it. :)"

I just reworded your post. It makes a huge difference on how you word it. Not only that, I also took out the frivolous parts that weren't necessary in the criticism. like the part about people being rude or the details about you curing vs. a whm. If you had posted something like what I just said, you wouldn't have NEARLY as many people on your case about it, if any at all. (Btw, that last line in your post was the only time you said anything about the guide being decent, just like to point that out...)

[Kimble]

playing. Games are not jobs. ~.~

But really I play just as well as anyone here. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).]

Sorry, but I take THAT as a personal offense.

[Kensagaku]

It is leeching, though. Those people who do not swap gear and are instead providing minimal effort towards others are leeching. A DD among "equals" (I'm talking non-empy versus non-empy or empy vs empy) who provides less than 1% of the parse is leeching. A mage who can't help cure, or has all their nukes resisted, or can't land an enfeeble on a mob that's not immune is a leech. Maybe it's not in the typical "I'm sitting there doing nothing" style, but it's still leeching. You can "try" all you want, but if you're accomplishing nothing, you might as well be doing nothing.

[Karbuncle]

playing. Games are not jobs. ~.~

But really I play just as well as anyone here. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).]

Look, its great you dont want to make the game more complicated.

Enjoy your own playstyle but stop spreading your misinformation to new players. This threads goal is to educate people on the more in depth aspects of the game. Its okay you dont like it, But go away if thats the case, Your making this thread go further off topic and your spreading wrong information to new players.

[CrystalWeapon]

Look, its great you dont want to make the game more complicated.

Enjoy your own playstyle but stop spreading your misinformation to new players. This threads goal is to educate people on the more in depth aspects of the game. Its okay you dont like it, But go away if thats the case, Your making this thread go further off topic and your spreading wrong information to new players.

Just stop responding to her and report all of her attempts to drag this out into another argument as inflammatory. That's what I'm doing. You have to learn to cut your losses when someone isn't willing to admit that +10% to something isn't more than +0% without seeing a video first.

[RAIST]

Simple example for simple minds....if swapping gear for a little more oomph to your spells/abilites didn't matter, we wouldn't be jumping through the hoops to make the +2 cure potency staves because the Apollo's Staff you can simply BUY on the AH would be JUST AS GOOD.... which....if you've ever seen the two in use side by side, you would clearly know is not the case. And yes, I carry it also when on SMN or BLM for when I have to go into curing mode, and it is in my cure macros to swap it in--I just trade it for my Carby staff from my satchel when I have to go on cure duty with SMN, stays in my inventory for BLM.

Edit:
In case you've never looked at these two staves, The cure potency bonuses:
Suryu's Staff +2: +22% Cure Potency mod to cures
Apollo's Staff: +10% Cure Potency and +2 MND/VIT mod to cures

+22% > +10% and 2MND/VIT

This is why we swap gears--to be more efficient.

[Sira]

impressively simplistic zatias, i like it (hoping to keep this topic from being deleted via Rosina's non-sense)

as a note an old setup i used to have used was more "vertical" than what the conventional player has

like:

(macro bind: alt + 1)
WS1
/equip head "Etoile Tiara"
/equip neck "Peacock Charm"
/equip body "Charis Carasque +2"
/equip hands "Charis Bangles +1"
/equip legs "Charis Tights +2"
/macro set 2

WS2
/equip feet "Charis Toeshoes +2"
/equip back "Atheling Mantle"
/equip L.Ear "Brutal Earring"
/equip R.Ear "Aesir Ear Pendant"
/equip L.Ring "Rajas Ring"
/macro set 3

Evis
/equip R.Ring "Angel's Ring"
/equip waist "Warwolf Belt"
/ws evisceration /wait 2
/echo WS finished, Return to Macro home, Execute TP set
/macro set 1

then go about doing a similar process for TP set (alt + 2)

doing it this way would minimize skipping and you can spam it carelessly till you ws then will take you back to main set.

[RAIST]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

I know.. I should know better. All our advice in the past seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Keep hoping if we show her with her own words, maybe one day the coaching in the past will finally sink in. Guess it's my paternal nature...can't just turn my back on someone, no matter how lost a cause it may seem.

Zatias. There's a lot of good stuff in here. I hate to suggest it, but might be worth it to copy paste the goodies into a text editor to create a final compilation and post it as a new thread so this crud can just roll off the first page. This is some REALLY good stuff for new players, and I hate to see all the good ideas go to waste.

I think it may even be worthy of a sticky in the New Player's forum if the mods could do that for you.

[Anethia]

@ Rosina

If you really want examples of how gear swaps make a difference come watch myself or crystalweapon handle things on our respective jobs. He is one of the best main DRG/main BLM I know, and though he and I have slightly different ways of playing DRG, I never would have become the drg I did if not for his tutolage (spellcheck please). Anyway, the fact of the matter is that you play the game/job the way you want and that is fine. But straight up denying facts despite that the reality is that there is not only math, but player experience to back up those facts, is simply ignorant on your part.

Believe me when I say that swapping in waltz potency gear and chr on dnc, is the difference between an 800 point Curing Waltz 5 and 900+ Curing Waltz 5 (maybe even 1k with phurba dagger and Roundel Earring, I wouldn't know, I dont have either one). The same goes for ws, tp, jig, eva and samba based gear sets.

In closing, understanding what gear to swap in for what you intend to do is the difference between good players and mediocre players. Which one you choose to be is entirely up to you.

[Nala]

as far as stacking vertical macros with the /macro set x commands should make it the first line of your macro, it will still execute all follow on lines but swap the macro set faster preventing lag from messing you up as badly. i had been using it as my last line for years before i had a rather rudely awakening epiphany its not much but there is a noticeable difference in response time when you re arrange your macros, especially when your gear swaps are 3 macros long.

[Puck]

Here's something you might want to include that I didn't see in the guide.
/echo (Your text here)

/echo displays a message that only you can see in yellowish text. Why is it useful? To tell yourself that a gear and/or macro swap has been completed. Although it takes up a macro line it can be very convenient in letting you know that you've completed a sequence of gear swaps (if you stack your gear swap macros on the same button on different sets and have to press that button 2 or 3 times to finish the swap, for example).

Or, if you use multiple macro sets for one job depending on the situation and often switch between them. I use an entire book of macros on BLM alone. I have all the sets linked via a macro and gear swap set, with /echo messages like "ELEMENTAL AGA3/JA" or "ELEMENTAL IV/V" so I know when I've switched to the set containing all of those spells.

[Alymorel]

Here's something you might want to include that I didn't see in the guide.
/echo (Your text here)

/echo displays a message that only you can see in yellowish text. Why is it useful? To tell yourself that a gear and/or macro swap has been completed. Although it takes up a macro line it can be very convenient in letting you know that you've completed a sequence of gear swaps (if you stack your gear swap macros on the same button on different sets and have to press that button 2 or 3 times to finish the swap, for example).

Or, if you use multiple macro sets for one job depending on the situation and often switch between them. I use an entire book of macros on BLM alone. I have all the sets linked via a macro and gear swap set, with /echo messages like "ELEMENTAL AGA3/JA" or "ELEMENTAL IV/V" so I know when I've switched to the set containing all of those spells.

Yes, yes yes yes yes yes. It also helps other people in your pt when they don't have to see all that info about your macros and timers. It clutters the chat log and confuses some others as to when their own timers and such are up. It's a great line for those who put text into pt chat that would be better suited for just you. Switch it up guys ^^

[Zatias]

Hello again.

Thank you all for pointing out stuff I missed or should add. Put some of it into the original post, will add more when I have more time.

I would also like to give "credit" in the guide, to people who helped me with additions. What do you guys think? ;P I'm not one for stealing ideas XD

[Myrrh]

Ya, I'd like to really state one thing about macro usage. Please, please, please, for the love of god, do not fill your macros with /p crap. No one wants to hear your Naruto quotes, your stupid phrases for summons, ect. It's annoying and adds nothing. You want to enjoy that stuff? Put it in /echo like it was suggested.

[cidbahamut]

Ya, I'd like to really state one thing about macro usage. Please, please, please, for the love of god, do not fill your macros with /p crap. No one wants to hear your Naruto quotes, your stupid phrases for summons, ect. It's annoying and adds nothing. You want to enjoy that stuff? Put it in /echo like it was suggested.

This. So very much.

Your mages do not appreciate you spamming their chatlog with noise. They're already filtering out a ton of stuff so they can do their jobs properly, so why would you undermine that? We don't need to see what you're doing in the chatlog twice. The only exceptions would be for Stun rotations and announcing Pro/Shell.

I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've blacklisted simply to shut their /party macros up.

[Tamoa]

/p Provoke <insertmobhere>!
...
...
...
/p Provoke @ 15 seconds!
...
...
...
/p Provoke ready!



or the utsusemi /p macros...

Please. Don't. Just don't. :(

[Rayik]

Was in a xp ally with a PUP who kept spamming /p messages, but didn't even make any reference to what JA he was using. It was literally just him repeating himself in some character tone over and over. Over half the ally was telling him to stop, so he started whining, calling us whiners(irony). I really don't like to /blist people, but man, some are just asking for it.

So yeah, if at all possible, maybe in the guide have a special mention of just don't /p things and why. RP on your own time with friends, not in pick up groups.

[Rosina]

You guys are taking things way to seriously, and really have no idea how much better the guide can read w/o the clutter. You guys also know nothing about me, and really should keep the trashy comments to yourself. This is a forum about a video game not your personal blogs to "complain" about how other people play.

If you wanna help people, do it the right way. Take that condencending attitude down a notch. No one needs to read/ hear it. This is a video game, and most of you guys lost what that REALLY means. I personaly think gear swaping, number crunching and the like make this game more complicated then needed. If you guys reread 1/2 of your posts, you should notice how many insults you dish out daily. I personally have a hard time reading the guide. And I did try the tab + enter button on the spoilers, still don't work.

Assumption can be an insult. Like assuming gear swaping = playing your class. And no gear swap= lazy. I'm sorry but that is rude. Also comments like "go fail elsewhere" ruin the thread.

[Tamoa]

because I have the right to comment on the guide. And on the replies you guys give. Which in most cases are rude, condencending, full of a unfounded supriority complex that ruins the feeling of this being a game. The guide is a help and as I stated I honor good work. But honestly do not sit there and assume I started anything, you guys did. All i did was make suggestion to improve the readability of the guide. All i got was insults on for it. (repeatedly) And again do not contradict yourself, you obviousely care how I play if you keep insulting how everyone plays.

I haven't insulted you or anyone else on how you or anyone else play this game. I've stated a fact - by not gear swapping you're being less efficient at your chosen job in every aspect of it, be it spells, job abilities, melee damage, weaponskill damage, etc etc. And if you chose a lazy playstyle - which it seems that you do - don't insult those of us that find it fun to be efficient in this game.

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

[Kensagaku]

Calm down, Tamoa, you're going to get out the tonberry knife soon. D:

That aside, I agree with her, Rosina. I've tried to remain polite throughout this thread, pointing out the usefulness of gear swapping and its effects. No one is asking you to gear swap. And as Tamoa said, why are you even bothering to post in this thread if you aren't going to offer the same advice or even use the advice in the first place? All you did was come in here and start a war. Again. We're not looking for a critique on this guide's layout--you're the only one who seems to have a problem with it anyway--and that's all you're offering. If you're not going to help with the topic at hand, kindly leave and let us continue this thread so that we can help educate people who actually want to play the game well versus casually. There's nothing wrong with a casual playstyle, but there are those who want to take the next step. This guide is for them.


You guys are taking things way to seriously, and really have no idea how much better the guide can read w/o the clutter. You guys also know nothing about me, and really should keep the trashy comments to yourself. This is a forum about a video game not your personal blogs to "complain" about how other people play.

(1)If you wanna help people, do it the right way. Take that condencending attitude down a notch. No one needs to read/ hear it. This is a video game, and most of you guys lost what that REALLY means. I personaly think gear swaping, number crunching and the like make this game more complicated then needed. (2)If you guys reread 1/2 of your posts, you should notice how many insults you dish out daily. I personally have a hard time reading the guide. And I did try the tab + enter button on the spoilers, still don't work.

(3)Assumption can be an insult. Like assuming gear swaping = playing your class. And no gear swap= lazy. I'm sorry but that is rude. Also comments like "go fail elsewhere" ruin the thread.

I numbered them for easier reference in my reply.

(1) You're being a hypocrite here. By saying "Do it right" you're assuming that you are doing it right, and as a result are showing us a condescending attitude. If you're going to try and offer etiquette advice, try learning some yourself. A simple "a suggestion to help improve communication between players would be to watch out for a condescending attitude, intentional or not." sounds a lot nicer than "You're doing it wrong, do better."

(2) Advice you could take as well. I'm not saying I haven't gone without tossing out an insult offhandedly when I'm upset or annoyed; we're human, we make mistakes. I'm no exception to that rule.

(3) But it's not an assumption. If you cannot play your class properly (for example, a dancer healing at 80% efficiency, or a BLM whose nukes/enfeebles are always resisted because you don't want to change staves) then you are considered to be useless when it comes to a group dynamic. When you play with a group, you either meet that group's expectations or you leave and find a group who will Apoc-zombie and throw bodies at something until it rages or is taken. Making a gear swap macro is so simplistic as well, as this guide demonstrates; with three button presses, THREE at most, you can swap your entire gearset. Heck, you might not even need to swap all 16 pieces, just a few here and there for a weapon skill set, for example, or for a JA. By being unable to type a single line of code as demonstrated here "/equip head headitemhere" that proves a lot of laziness. If you're not bothering to put forth the effort to play your job well, then that is indeed lazy. No one's asking you to be the best and know every little detail, but we'd like to see people putting some effort in too or we're going to find someone else.


Also, guy again stop trashing on how other people play. (commenting on the above complaints on macro /p sayings) If it bugs you that much leave the group. You do act like whiners if you complain about silly stuff. I like those party comments to be honest. It makes the game feel more more like a game. I've seen very creative ones also.

Worry about yourselves and stop treating everyone else like trash, all because they do not play like you. Nothing is wrong with diversity. Also do not contradict yourselves be saying "we do not care how you play" You obviousely do if you're gonna make rude comments about it. Or about myself.

Only one thing to comment on in this post. I personally do not care how you play. You are on a different server than me, I will never interact with you. This has no effect on my gameplay whatsoever. Therefore, I truly do not care. But what I do care about is your influence on people who may see your posts and be from my server, and take them to heart. Because I may or may not have to cooperate with these players at some point, and if they have no modicum of skill and intellect because of what they read from you, then I have to suffer through dealing with them in the party and having them drag the rest of us down. Kicking out one bad player to improve the rest of the party's chances is much better than keeping him and making everyone else suffer, and as a result, your "teachings" here are going to get people kicked for poor skill and unwillingness to learn.

My suggestion is that if you want to be a unique snowflake, have at it. I encourage a person to enjoy the game. However, I also kindly ask a person being said snowflake to not join any of my parties lest it cause failures and wasted time. After all, to me, enjoying the game is doing well on beating monsters, and getting good gear, and being good comparative to others. Maybe it's not your style of enjoyment, but you're infringing on my style of enjoyment just as much as you claim I am yours.

[Kari]

Rosina, do you even have a 90 job?
I only ask because, your profile states 3 jobs that are 30 or under.
I could easily understand why you think gear swapping isn't important if you're not even high enough to have gear options.
For DD jobs especially, there's hardly any reason to swap for a good while.

If you actually do have a 90, your posts are that much more worthy of being trolled upon.

[Ertai]

because I have the right to comment on the guide. And on the replies you guys give. Which in most cases are rude, condencending, full of a unfounded supriority complex that ruins the feeling of this being a game. The guide is a help and as I stated I honor good work. But honestly do not sit there and assume I started anything, you guys did. All i did was make suggestion to improve the readability of the guide. All i got was insults on for it. (repeatedly) And again do not contradict yourself, you obviousely care how I play if you keep insulting how everyone plays.

You seem to love to fall back on the "This is a game I'll play how I want!" argument quite a bit. However, games have certain guidelines and rules and aren't just a free-for-all to interpret however you wish. The fact is that gear-swapping is a fundamental part of this game, and by not doing so, you're ignoring one of these rules or guidelines. If we were playing a team game of Yahtzee and I decided that I wanted to play with 4 dice instead of 5, I would be fundamentally gimping myself simply because, simply because I wanted to only have to count 4 dice instead of 5. It would be fully within everyone else playing's right to tell me to play properly.

Clearly this is a slight exaggeration, but you also keep saying that you can perform better than others who "use 5 dice". Sure, this might occasionally happen just based on pure coincidence, but the vast majority of the time, you will be outperformed. If you simply didn't claim to be good and only played by yourself (which is seeming more and more likely in all honesty) then I would most likely be able to overlook this. But you're posting misinformation on these forums by saying that gear-swaps aren't necessary to reach your full potential, when that is simply not the case. Sure, you go ahead and don't type a few lines into your macros one time because its too complicated. But this is how the game is set up. People reading this thread might see your comments and decide that hey, if this person performs at maximum capacity without gear-swapping, I can ignore the quality information in this thread. No. Don't play Yahtzee with 4 dice, and don't try to get others to do it, either.

On topic. Excellent beginner's guide to macros. The layout is excellent, also! I found it very easy to read with the spoilers not making everything completely cluttered and separating the information to make comprehension of the information much simpler.

[Rayik]

This game is not new. The math has been done. Gear-swapping is factored in to the challenge aspect of the game; the difficulty of certain parts of the game assume you to be swapping to certain gear for the situation.

You can refuse to play that way all you want, but really, you're not the only one playing, unless you solo 100% of the time. In a group situation, you are bringing the entire group down. You cannot make any claim to be "working as hard as I can" if you refuse to use even the simplest tools SE provides you with macros. These are not some third-party cheat or hack, these are tool built into the infrastructure of FFXI itself. It's like saying "I refuse to use the Auction House! I only buy gear from NPC shops!"

[Bublex]

Greetings All,

Regrettably, we have had to moderate this thread. While general disagreements about macros and gear swapping are bound to happen, please remain on topic and refrain from insulting others. This thread will remain open as long as the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1&tag=forum) are being followed. Any disagreements you have had with others earlier in this thread, please consider that the past, and move on. Thank you for your understanding.

GM Bublex

[Kensagaku]

It lives! Thanks mister GM dude for bringing it back, this was a really useful and informative thread that was starting to get off-track. D:

So yes, let's not talk about layout, and let's not fight. Clean slate guys, m'kay? Let's just compare macro ideas and try to help those who want to use them. :3

[Puck]

Excuse me, GM Bublex, but wouldn't it have been a lot easier just to issue bans to the people causing all the trouble? Actually, the ONE person instigating everything? This helpful thread, and many other threads, wouldn't have been ruined if that person was issued the banning they deserve a long time ago. That user has done this time and again, to thread after thread, and refuses to stop. A permanent ban is long overdue.

When a MAJORITY of people in this thread are trying to keep things productive and ONE person keeps disrupting that, it's pretty obvious what the solution should be.

[Mirage]

Sure is backseat moderating up in this thread.

[Zatias]

How do I lock my other thread now that this one is back? D;

I want my ability to lock my threads back!

No really I rather not have that back, it causes more harm than good.

[RAIST]

Wanted to pull this post in from the other version of the guide, that way it shows in both threads, since we don't yet know which one is going to become the more active version:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13578-Gear-Swapping-Macros-The-simple-way-to-do-it?p=180564&viewfull=1#post180564

Did you know that you can use <st> type targeting as a variable length pause? The macro pauses execution until you've selected a target for the 2nd line of this macro, allowing your party enough time to get in range of your buffs:

/p {Gather Together.} {Protectra} & {Shellra}
/target <st>
/ma "Shellra V" <me>
/wait 8
/ma "Protectra IV" <me>

Byrth (sp?) had also posted some interesting BLM stuff with some good ideas in another thread that seems to have gone off the radar for now. Guessing that thread is down for moderation like this one was. Maybe we can get those macro samples pulled in as well if it shows back up. Will keep an eye out for it to shows up again.

[Rosina]

To reply to someones post. Kekkaishi my original character, I deleted when I was forced to quit over money issues and didn't think I'd play ffxi again. Was dnc level 90 and a 80-85 monk. Due to the transfers I can't reactivate them But once they are done I was thinking of getting them back. I also retrieved my old macro data and found something interesting XD.... ya. yall gonna laugh. Apparently (and I forgot this due to a 6 mnth game absence) I did MINOR gear swaping. But only on mnk and sch. More or less used genbu's kabuto for chakra. And had different sets of gear for dark arts (blm mode) and light arts (whm mode) My dnc never had any gear swapping though. Which was the last job I played. I also did most everything with my boyfriend, so he didn't care if I gear swapped or not. Nor have I been asked in various events. (missions etc) (this was just to reply a persons post nothing more )

I think I dislik gear swapping for the hassle I had with sch. Having to remake macros constently got annoying for me.

[Rosina]

pretty much mine was

::darkarts::
change body
head
legs
back
r1
r2

same for light arts.
I also changed my macro book sets.

[Zatias]

Would like to inform everyone that the guide is approaching its maximum character limit. I should have reserved a post under it for more additions; I didn't expect it to be this big. inb4thatswatshesaid

I have a feeling people needing macro advice will read through the thread, so this isn't a huge deal. I just wanted to tell some of you why all of your good ideas aren't in the OP. ^^

[Kimara]

Would like to inform everyone that the guide is approaching its maximum character limit. I should have reserved a post under it for more additions; I didn't expect it to be this big. inb4thatswatshesaid

I have a feeling people needing macro advice will read through the thread, so this isn't a huge deal. I just wanted to tell some of you why all of your good ideas aren't in the OP. ^^

You could always make more posts here in the thread and put links to the pages in here in the first post :D!

[Chuchuroon]

you should see if you can include that changing gear in the ammo slot will not make you lose TP, only if you change gear in the main, sub, or ranged weapon slot :D

I never knew that changing the ammo slot only wouldn't lose TP for the longest time, now I'm :D because I can use charis feather or thew bomblet for WS while still swapping to plectrum for waltzes and fenrir's stone for evasion, etc. (I'm slow, I know.)

[Rosina]

ummm what did I say to get that post deleted ^^;; i'm pretty sure I was just agreeing with the post above me. ^.^;;

[Rosina]

Hey just keeping this on page 1 Good luck with it

[Rosina]

you should see if you can include that changing gear in the ammo slot will not make you lose TP, only if you change gear in the main, sub, or ranged weapon slot :D

I never knew that changing the ammo slot only wouldn't lose TP for the longest time, now I'm :D because I can use charis feather or thew bomblet for WS while still swapping to plectrum for waltzes and fenrir's stone for evasion, etc. (I'm slow, I know.)

I knew this since cop when my bf Leveled rng. People would switch to those 1 time arrows for ws in combo with that ability for no ammo used. As well as him playing thf and switch the bolts. I woulda put it if I remembered it. But ty for the reminder ^^

[Zatias]

You could always make more posts here in the thread and put links to the pages in here in the first post :D!

Ooh, I think I will at that. Thanks ^^

[Zatias]

Misc. Macros not related to equip change
•Use /echo! I can't tell you how many times I have blacklisted a party member for spamming party chat up with frequent "talking" macros. You summoners are the worst. Keep that ritual chanting inside your own log, please! I don't understand, my SMN is only lvl2.
~You know I love you guys, I merely jest ;P~

Echo Example:




•Ever try to buff your party all at once to save MP (and time), but they scatter in a way so infuriating that you can't tag them all from any given position? Fear no more with this macro!






•Pet jobs have the choice of several different pets. Summoners in particular might find this macro attractive as it allows you to put several different pet abilities in the same macro, saving other macro space.





--Reserved for more--

[Gokulo]

Why the /target <st> in the buff macro?

[Zatias]

Why the /target <st> in the buff macro?

It's explained in the text under it.

You can have the blue arrow over yourself and wait till your party is together, then click confirm once they are.

[Gokulo]

Ah sorry, saw the macro itself and responded too fast :p

[Rosina]

ok so I tried <stpt>, and that is pretty cool. Minus the color of the arror icon. ^^;; I play with wind skin 6 on the 360, and the <stpt> arrow icon is a dark purple. And hard to see. But I understand how it works.

Instead of using a cursor (sp?) icon to click on the avatar, you just click their name on the PT list. I can see how it helps the blinking, since your not clicking on the persons avatar. (character, player character etc) If the arrow was a bit more noticeable Id use it. But ya it is pretty good, sorry I doubted (sp?) ppl

[Kimara]

Ooh, I think I will at that. Thanks ^^

You're welcome, Also good job on the guide extension!

[Zatias]

ok so I tried <stpt>, and that is pretty cool. Minus the color of the arror icon. ^^;; I play with wind skin 6 on the 360, and the <stpt> arrow icon is a dark purple. And hard to see.

You can try adjusting the brightness or contrast of your screen.

Or the gamma options found in the config menu.

Thank you for trying! ^^