Alexandrite is 10k on my Server, for those of you keeping track

[nitsuj]

In case SE lost track, that's 300,000,000 gil for only one requirement to get this weapon done. And it's in short supply, at that!

I appreciate the 100% ZNM T4 Trophy drops, but please do something to salvage so Alexandrite becomes affordable again (you already said you weren't lowering the 30k requirement).

Thanks! I'm 4 years in, at have 14,000 alexandrite. Help me get the last 55%!

<3

[Leonlionheart]

It's 5k on Asura if you want to come on over~

[Byrth]

If they increase people's desire to do salvage, it will increase Alexandrite supply. I think that's the route they're aiming for.

[DebbieGibson]

man up justin! (don't hax me!)

[Karbuncle]

It's 5k on Asura if you want to come on over~

i Can't find cheaper than 8k :X, Where do you see them >_>? Friend is working on a Mythic would be nice if we had a source of alex :Q

[Soundwave]

Even though they said they have no plans to adjust alex, I hope more threads like this will change their mind......

[Panthera]

Is there some particular reason it can't drop from Archaic Machinery in Abyssea? Or anywhere else they should decide to make them spawn?

If they intend to keep the Alex. requirement the same, could they not at least substantially increase the drop rate?


If they increase people's desire to do salvage, it will increase Alexandrite supply. I think that's the route they're aiming for.

How do they plan on doing this? I understand they want to make Salvage gear customizable via Synergy, so that could give Salvage a come-back. But the problem is that people don't often settle for nothing less the best gear, and I think SE intends to keep AF3+2 on top.

[Byrth]

I don't know how they'll do it, but that's the only route they've left open to themselves. They're keeping mum on most of the assumed ToAU adjustments, which are supposed to be occurring this update.

[Gokku]

im loving the inflation thats going on due to it , we avg about 100 alex per run 3 way split and 1-300 dyna coins per run 3 way split every day easy money.

[Byrth]

im loving the inflation thats going on due to it , we avg about 100 alex per run 3 way split and 1-300 dyna coins per run 3 way split every day easy money.

I do about the same (~100 currency solo, ~70 Alex solo).

What do you spend that much gil on? Pretty soon you'll be buying instead of selling or quit. That's just how the game is designed at the moment.

[Alhanelem]

That assumes you buy every single piece, which is unlikely because you have to do salvage at least 4 times yourself to beat the bosses. Chances are you're going to do it more than that. Plus you have to find people who have the alexandrite to sell. So it's not like you could just immediately drop 300 mil to buy a mythic if you had it.

[Gokku]

I do about the same (~100 currency solo, ~70 Alex solo).

What do you spend that much gil on? Pretty soon you'll be buying instead of selling or quit. That's just how the game is designed at the moment.
Power Crafted
smithing 92-100
Clothcraft 20-60
goldsmith 1-57 *soon to be 60*
Synergy 10-79
all in about a 3 weeks range.*smithing took 3 months but thats khroma ore limits*
other then that ive made about 20+ NQ hauby synths / hauberks and thats alot of 200k stacks of darksteel ingots.

[Leonlionheart]

i Can't find cheaper than 8k :X, Where do you see them >_>? Friend is working on a Mythic would be nice if we had a source of alex :Q

I sell them :X I know a few others who do too, idk if they sell at 5k though.

[Byrth]

Power Crafted
smithing 92-100
Clothcraft 20-60
goldsmith 1-57 *soon to be 60*
Synergy 10-79
all in about a 3 weeks range.*smithing took 3 months but thats khroma ore limits*
other then that ive made about 20+ NQ hauby synths / hauberks and thats alot of 200k stacks of darksteel ingots.

Okay, so now that you can synth stuff better and make gil better, what are you going to do with the gil? Eventually you're going to have to start a relic/mythic, and at the rate you're making gil it won't be so eventual.

[Monchat]

I got 100 in Bhaflau w/o even trying ( 1f rampart full, 4F rampart full, boss) mnk rdm thf. And thats cause boss droped a big pouch. That's not even worth farming atm they need to add more ways to get alex in salvage. For example make pouches higher drop rate with a fixed quantity inside ( 30 per NM, 100 per boss).

[Gokku]

Okay, so now that you can synth stuff better and make gil better, what are you going to do with the gil? Eventually you're going to have to start a relic/mythic, and at the rate you're making gil it won't be so eventual.

i figure if i can get 10-50 mil before the update hits ill just use it to buy w/e new gear comes out then if not ill work on the monk relic hth always wanted one even with my 90 vereth

[Windwhisper]

It's 5k on Asura if you want to come on over~

where i come from you call this delusion. <.< its 10k on asura too. well 8.5k at best

[Tacotaru]

That assumes you buy every single piece, which is unlikely because you have to do salvage at least 4 times yourself to beat the bosses. Chances are you're going to do it more than that. Plus you have to find people who have the alexandrite to sell. So it's not like you could just immediately drop 300 mil to buy a mythic if you had it.

True, in the time it takes to beat the four bosses you should have gotten a good chunk of the 30k done.

[Gokku]

True, in the time it takes to beat the four bosses you should have gotten a good chunk of the 30k done.
lol wut? unless your talking about the 3 mega bosses ... even then we spent more time farming the keys then it took to get the 4 people together to kill them all they are extremely easy.

[Byrth]

True, in the time it takes to beat the four bosses you should have gotten a good chunk of the 30k done.

lol (PS. he was being sarcastic)

As it stands, Salvage isn't even an amazingly efficient way to get Alexandrite for people doing a mythic. It takes about 80 minutes to get 60~70 Alexandrite in Salvage. At 10k/piece, that works out to about 500k/hr gil. Not comparable to new-Dynamis or just cruor burning with a hoard of mules. Of course, STF will probably generically ban for NPCing Chocobo Blinkers in a few months.

The main reason I do Salvage is because it's guaranteed supply. Supply of Alexandrite is kind of a big issue for Mythic questers these days. There are probably fewer than two dozen groups doing Salvage on any given server on any day (who aren't doing pure Alexandrite runs). That means you'd have to buy the entire server's supply of Alexandrite for over a month in order to finish a Mythic. This is the problem that SE hopes to address in the next version update.

[Alhanelem]

It might not be "amazingly efficient", but it's the only way to produce them. You're not helping your own cause much if you're only buying other people's and not producing any for yourself.

[Tacotaru]

If you're averaging about 60~80 Alex a run, just doing salvage only puts you at 375~500 days to build purely off that. So just over a year to a year and a half of guaranting that every run. If you factor in buying at least half at 8k/each then you cut your farm time down to about 7~10 months, but you're also putting out 120m for Alex on top of that.

What exactly is there to do to best help yourself in a situation that's obscene to begin with outside of buying as much as you can if you have the money?

[Alhanelem]

If you want to get a mythic as fast as reaosnably possible, you both need to do salvage as much as you can on your own, and

You could speed it up further if you have other characters of high level in order to do more than one salvage run a day, if you were that dedicated.

But really, they just need to soften the requirement or up the alex drop rates. Even in the best of cases, Mythics take by far the longest of any of the superweapon sets and yet only a few of the mythics are actually top tier weapons for their job.

[Byrth]

Lets say there is 1000 Alex per day put onto the server from Salvage (maybe a little high), I can buy it all if I offer 10k each, and I play 4 hours a night. Here are my options:

1) Farm Salvage duo with my mule for 60~70 Alex average per 80 minutes. (~500k/hr)
2) Farm Dynamis duo with my mule for about 120 currency per 120 minutes. (~700k/hr)
3) Farm Limbus duo with my mule for about 60 ABCs per 60 minutes. (~600k/hr)
4) Head up to Sky or Sea and poke around for 30 minutes picking up easy pops (~500k/hr)

Four hours to spend, what do I do? The answer isn't Salvage even at 10k/Alexandrite. I'm better off farming almost any other event, selling the proceeds, and buying Alexandrite until the price goes up even more.

[nitsuj]

Doing salvage isn't an efficient way (anymore) for 2 reasons:

1) It's common some zones may only give you ~20 alex after a full run, split between 2-3 people? No thanks.
2) People (myself included) are finishing all the salvage armor they need, so the only reason they have to go is to get Alexandrite. So they're less likely to just go 5x a week and just give all the spoils to the guy upgrading the mythic (luckily some of my friends still do)

We're assuming SE is going to make salvage armor upgradable, but probably require 15/25/35's again to do the synergy (lol). So if that happens, people will start doing salvage again to upgrade their gear (I would expect it to surpass AF3+2 in some ways when fully upgraded) the alexandrite problem will be "fixed" (although I still think 30,000 as just ONE of the requirements for the quest was too high.. 10,000 maybe? :D)

[Alhanelem]

Lets say there is 1000 Alex per day put onto the server from Salvage (maybe a little high), I can buy it all if I offer 10k each, and I play 4 hours a night. Here are my options:

1) Farm Salvage duo with my mule for 60~70 Alex average per 80 minutes. (~500k/hr)
2) Farm Dynamis duo with my mule for about 120 currency per 120 minutes. (~700k/hr)
3) Farm Limbus duo with my mule for about 60 ABCs per 60 minutes. (~600k/hr)
4) Head up to Sky or Sea and poke around for 30 minutes picking up easy pops (~500k/hr)

Four hours to spend, what do I do? The answer isn't Salvage even at 10k/Alexandrite. I'm better off farming almost any other event, selling the proceeds, and buying Alexandrite until the price goes up even more.

Except if everyone came up with your great idea, zero alexandrite would be produced and the price would skyrocket, suddenly making all that other farming less productive in terms of getting a mythic.

You don't seem to understand that SOMEONE has to farm alexandrite for you to buy it. Also, I'd hope you're spending more than 4 hours a day on a mythic if you really want to complete one. Thus, you'd have time to do all of those things.

[svengalis]

Your blaming SE for the PLAYERS that charge 10k for alexandrite? :rolls eyes:

[Tacotaru]

Except if everyone came up with your great idea, zero alexandrite would be produced and the price would skyrocket, suddenly making all that other farming less productive in terms of getting a mythic.

You don't seem to understand that SOMEONE has to farm alexandrite for you to buy it. Also, I'd hope you're spending more than 4 hours a day on a mythic if you really want to complete one. Thus, you'd have time to do all of those things.

I really don't think it's that acceptable in this day in age for someone to have a spend a minimum of four hours a day, in game, devoted to nothing but producing Alexandrite or money to buy Alexandrite.

I'm curious as to what you think a person wanting to build a mythic should be spending though since I consider myself a pretty hardcore player time-wise and four~six hours a day is all I can get in (on weekdays) before it's time for bed (let alone spending the entirety of my game time devoted to just farming for a mythic).

*Edit*
Cleaned up the wording a bit.

[Alhanelem]

I really don't think it's that acceptable in this day in age for someone to have a spend a minimum of four hours a dayMythics weren't created for the average person. If you don't want to spend years on it, you're going to need to put in more than 4 hours a day. They specifically designed relic and mythic weapons to not be obtainable by everyone.

If you don't think it should take that much of your time (which I agree, it shouldn't), then complain to SE until they make it easier, or don't do it.

Regardless of how you view that, my original point still stands. If everyone did the math and just took the route that gave them the most gil, no alexandrite would be produced, and you wouldn't be able to finish it at all.

[Tacotaru]

I don't think anyone disagrees with you. I think they are just saying int he current market, it makes the most sense for Mythic builders, to not do salvage as the prime source of Alexandrite, and overall the Gil/hour ratio isn't worth it with comparative options. If Alex became too high, as stated by Byrth, then of course farming Alex directly because the best time for you money alternative.

Relics are also far cheaper in comparison, not only gil-wise, but time wise as well. You can finish a relic in three days, starting from scratch if you have the money. I don't think it's possible to build a Mythic in less than six months even if you had all the money in the world with 30k Alex available up front(I'm not exactly sure what the minimum amount of time it takes to get all the Nyzul/Ein points).

Also, I thought that's what this thread was doing, was complaining to SE to make it easy!

[Byrth]

Unless some people want Salvage armor. I'm not criticizing my suppliers when I say farming Alexandrite isn't the fastest way for me to get a Mythic. Also, if you look at the list I gave, farming four hours a day is sufficient to get you a Mythic in 4 months. I started with more than 0 gil and less than 10k Ampuoles, so I'll be done Alexandrite literally months before Einherjar (@23k/30k atm). Also, I have someone who likes to do Salvage with me (he wants Armor and is fine with me taking all the Alex) so I do Salvage for him whenever he's on and do Dynamis so I can keep buying more Alexandrite.

If everyone took the route I outlined, Alexandrite price would increase until it matched the time investment of the nearest available alternative. Then it would be worthwhile to do Salvage and, in that case, I'd do Salvage as religiously as I do Dynamis right now.

[Panthera]

The other requirements notwithstanding as a basis for comparison.... what's the cost of a Relic these days?

[Tacotaru]

With higher prices (15k O.bronze, 13k Shells, 8k Bynes) I believe it's in the 150m range, but obviously it's going to vary based on your relic.

*Edit*
Should note that at least if I'm remembering correctly it's in that range.

[Byrth]

They're about 150-170 mil, depending on weapon and assuming you buy literally all the currency. So Mythics are approximately twice as expensive as relics, forgetting everything else.

Yeah, what he said! I used 11k per piece though, because that's what it seems to be gravitating towards on Lakshmi.

[Alhanelem]

With higher prices (15k O.bronze, 13k Shells, 8k Bynes) I believe it's in the 150m range, but obviously it's going to vary based on your relic.Higher prices? currency is down on Shiva, with all of them going for around 10k each. Because you can easily farm just the currency you want now and the lack of demand for relic armor itself, people are farming currency according to needs, which at least on shiva has meant an increased ratio of the most wanted currency to the least. Thus, the prices have equalized. It's hard to charge more for one currency than the others when everyone is farming that currency more than the others.

[Leonlionheart]

God I hope Salvage gear upgrades aren't upgraded the same way as ABJ gear.

Salvage gear is some of the hardest gear in the game to get, barring maybe N legs and E body and some of the Phantasmal gear, and I think it deserves ToM upgrades by level to make it amazing again.

[Byrth]

God I hope Salvage gear upgrades aren't upgraded the same way as ABJ gear.

Salvage gear is some of the hardest gear in the game to get, barring maybe N legs and E body and some of the Phantasmal gear, and I think it deserves ToM upgrades by level to make it amazing again.

That might be true, but Salvage Armor is nowhere near as difficult to get at 90 post-patches as it was 75 pre-patches. Starting chest, huge drop rate boost, and level 90 allowing you to do every run in full with three people. The event is still fun, but it's also kind of a joke these days.

[Leonlionheart]

If they follow suite with how they beefed up Dynamis then I'm sure they'll add difficulty in the form of new NMs for other events, especially Salvage since it's a required event to create another form of "Ultima" weapons.

[DebbieGibson]

Relics can't be done in 3 days, and on valefor at least they are 180M+ after refund. Even if you have all the currency you can't do it in 3 days because the gob makes you wait over a week(about 11 days) from start to finish. If you only have the gil on hand it's going to take you two weeks minimum to buy all the currency. You can count on it being almost a month before you actually acquire the 75 version even if you had all the gil already.

[Greezy]

Possibly to alleviate alot of issues with salvage and mythic weapons it would be very easy to make the alexandrite hq-able to stack more. 303 inventory spaces spread out over the course of a few mules just to get a mythic seem a bit like entrapment. Aht Urghan area expanions seem to have been forgotten. Please help us SE.

[Karbuncle]

on Asura the price of Currency is roughly 12k for each across the board

Asura is dumb