Is it just me..?

[Kojo]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Then there are the ones who can't hold back, so while you're trying to build Azures, they are rubying EVERYTHING and they usually have some witty thing to say, for example; I was in a Sand Sweeper PT with a Verethragna PUP that rubied everything and told the BLMs to go Azure ephemerals. Upon asking where they are, he told the BLMs "I dunno, you're the BLM, you're supposed to know!"

So..is it just me?

[Lordscyon]

1st post!

^^Fast xp^^
Well, you could max out all lights and let the Pros just kill the mobs get fast fast xp! and never time out it might solve your problem idk i am just saying it could be something you could consider instead of going /emo

[Kojo]

I'm not so much going emo, but shouldn't they solo stuff instead of running up on a mob surrounded by 4-5 other people and killing it? I understand the fast XP, you're right, but rather than trying to arrogantly dominate everyone else's dmg, why no solo stuff to add to the XP gain?

[Lordscyon]

Boredom can come along way too a ffxi player sometimes they like too test out there new toy

[Kojo]

But in a Worm PT? Worm pts are used for skilling, levelling 70+, and breaking trials (As I was doing). I ended up leaving because there literally was no reason for me to be there. I can SC solo in the tree. I'm just not sure why an Empyrean user would go into a worm pty..

[Zatias]

It depends on the person holding the empy. Some are really nice and know how to not ruby every mob, others are "shitkids" who were handed an empy and think they are the best player in the universe, and so they just ws everything even if it's at 1%.

[Elexia]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Then there are the ones who can't hold back, so while you're trying to build Azures, they are rubying EVERYTHING and they usually have some witty thing to say, for example; I was in a Sand Sweeper PT with a Verethragna PUP that rubied everything and told the BLMs to go Azure ephemerals. Upon asking where they are, he told the BLMs "I dunno, you're the BLM, you're supposed to know!"

So..is it just me?

No it's not you, just like Relic and Mythic users, they've had an IQ enema once they obtained the weapon.

[DebbieGibson]

Worm pt are nice cause getting pages suck. I agree though its stupid if empy is not soloing.

[Kojo]

I just gained 2 new terms LOL. Yeah, some won't hold back, or use their weapon to benefit the pt, but rather flaunt massive damage that would take 80-100% of the mobs health, had they been soloing to actually help.. Sorry for the rant-ish thread, just happened to me too many times. Though we DID have a Gandiva RNG in the same PT earlier, usually, he seemed to solo worms and end mobs that were beating 1-2 prople down.

[Panthera]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Then there are the ones who can't hold back, so while you're trying to build Azures, they are rubying EVERYTHING and they usually have some witty thing to say, for example; I was in a Sand Sweeper PT with a Verethragna PUP that rubied everything and told the BLMs to go Azure ephemerals. Upon asking where they are, he told the BLMs "I dunno, you're the BLM, you're supposed to know!"


So, what you're saying is that Empyrean weapons create two problems. The first is that no one can even come close to the power of an Empyrean user. The second is that they want to use what they've worked for, so they too many ruby lights.

For the first issue, all I can say is that given their strength, there is a need for multiple pullers so that everyone is engaging a mob at all times. The Empyrean user can only attack one mob at a time, so it seems you need more pullers.

As for the second issue, it's not an Empyrean Weapon problem. It's not a players-with-Empyreans problem. It's an Abyssea problem. Mages can't always go for kill shots, which means they're on add control. It's very difficult for a strong mage to do damage without pulling hate. Even a low tier spell can pull hate. Mobs die so quickly that enfeebling them almost isn't worth it. Melees have to turn their back to the mobs, disengage, or target another enemy so mages can go for kills.

Is holding back ever fun for anyone, let alone Empyrean users? No! In the TP burn days, it didn't matter how you killed as long as the mob fell over dead as fast as possible. Melee hit kills, weapon-skill kills shots, a White Mage killing with Banish just for lols, it didn't matter! Now you can't drop the mob with Sidewinder or whatever anymore without 17 people yelling at you.


So..is it just me?

Yes, it's just you. People are so happy about drowning in exp that they don't care.

[Kojo]

So, what you're saying is that Empyrean weapons create two problems. The first is that no one can even come close to the power of an Empyrean user. The second is that they want to use what they've worked for, so they too many ruby lights.

For the first issue, all I can say is that given their strength, there is a need for multiple pullers so that everyone is engaging a mob at all times. The Empyrean user can only attack one mob at a time, so it seems you need more pullers.

As for the second issue, it's not an Empyrean Weapon problem. It's not a players-with-Empyreans problem. It's an Abyssea problem. Mages can't always go for kill shots, which means they're on add control. It's very difficult for a strong mage to do damage without pulling hate. Even a low tier spell can pull hate. Mobs die so quickly that enfeebling them almost isn't worth it. Melees have to turn their back to the mobs, disengage, or target another enemy so mages can go for kills.

Is holding back ever fun for anyone, let alone Empyrean users? No! In the TP burn days, it didn't matter how you killed as long as the mob fell over dead as fast as possible. Melee hit kills, weapon-skill kills shots, a White Mage killing with Banish just for lols, it didn't matter! Now you can't drop the mob with Sidewinder or whatever anymore without 17 people yelling at you.



Yes, it's just you. People are so happy about drowning in exp that they don't care.

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

[Lordscyon]

Well, Too solve your problem if it is your Abyssea party you created and have all leaders ready and not afk you could boot the Ruby people that don't understand not too obey the abyssea system.

[Panthera]

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

[Kojo]

Well, Too solve your problem if it is your Abyssea party you created and have all leaders ready and not afk you could boot the Ruby people that don't understand not too obey the abyssea system.

It wasn't my PT, and the leader that invited her was a returning player and wasn't completely sure about how damaging Empyreans are. I can't really blame him.

[Kojo]

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

[Kimara]

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

[Kojo]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

Not I, dunno about anyone else..

[Elexia]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

"It'll be much faster if I killed everything" is generally what is said.

Yes your emp weapon is strong. Yes you can one shot things, I can one shot 12 worms and solo mikey on BLM but doesn't mean I have to >.> The issue is they still do it even before capping off appropriate lights, hell I zoned into a party with a emp users (new party btw) and already had over 70 Ruby within 5 minutes in the zone.

[Korpg]

If the emp user is 1 shotting mobs, then yeah, there is a problem. Why haven't you gotten an emp yet?

[TybudX]

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster. The whole 'avoid ruby until you cap azure' thing is along the same lines as the 'make your DDs sub NIN so the healer can keep sucking' thing. If somebody happens to be stupid and own an empyrean weapon man up and tell them to solo mobs. And you can't get azure why? What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?

There is a good reason the alliance you were in looked useless. It wasn't that one guy.

[Miera]

I dunno what you're talking about. When I use my Emperan Bow in Altepa Dom Ops parties and 1 shot stuff people are actually applauding rather than getting upset. Having someone kill for you is a good thing sometimes <.<

[Korpg]

All you need in abyssea burn parties now is 1 emp user, 1 BLM, 1 WHM, and 15 leeches.

Which is what you are getting anyway. More leechers than players.

[Elexia]

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster. The whole 'avoid ruby until you cap azure' thing is along the same lines as the 'make your DDs sub NIN so the healer can keep sucking' thing. If somebody happens to be stupid and own an empyrean weapon man up and tell them to solo mobs. And you can't get azure why? What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?

There is a good reason the alliance you were in looked useless. It wasn't that one guy.

Still being as contradictory as ever.

Also, you may want to think about what you just said:

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster.


What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?

Unless you send your BLMs off to run around the zone (which most already do, especially emph hunting in some zones), you'll still have overpowering ruby which we do know, especially if you're a vet to Abyssea, red chests can cap off quickly and if all you get are red chests and no TEs you end your party pretty quickly, especially if you're the type to use a keyer or actually help out new players levels who won't have 100+ minutes to blow.

Anyone with an emp worth their salt will kill everything quickly.

[Miera]

I'd also like to note while I was doing t people were trying to jump on MY mobs that I solo which lead to having a Ruby light. If you 1shot a mob without actually touching it. let me give a example.

I engage a Sand Sweeper and I unleash a WS and 1 shot it. I get no lights by doing so however if I engage it, melee it and take claim then WS get the ruby.

[Cursed]

It took me ages to get my empyreans. But it took me even longer to go 1/23 on my fuggin destroyers.
Get off yo bum and get one. they're not hard. they're not rare. in fact, I see more empyrean players than non-empyrean players these days. you're just getting a bit of the "oh snap i'm really gimp" feeling because you proly are.

[Leonlionheart]

God I hate it when there are players better than me making me feel useless because I simply can't get an emp!

-_-

[Elexia]

God I hate it when there are players better than me making me feel useless because I simply can't get an emp!

-_-

I hate it when people with multiple millions tell me it's easy to make millions and all I need is a good idea. God I hate those people.

IQ enema.

[Economizer]

All you need in abyssea burn parties now is 1 emp user, 1 BLM, 1 WHM, and 15 leeches.

Which is what you are getting anyway. More leechers than players.

You don't need an empyrean to abyssea burn, Aeolian Edge, Cataclysm, or even Fell Cleave does a ton of damage either way.

That said, if you are killing easy prey mobs for chests and exp, a White Mage is overkill. Red Mage or Scholar sub Red Mage will not only "do" but probably be better since they can mitigate damage while helping buff in other ways. A Red Mage or a Paladin could probably even solo for an entire alliance of leaches. Come the next update Scholar will probably be the go to duo for chest burns too (or even contend against Red Mage for solo if they are very skilled).

[Korpg]

You don't need an empyrean to abyssea burn, Aeolian Edge, Cataclysm, or even Fell Cleave does a ton of damage either way.

Unless you have a good puller who can pull a bunch of DC mobs and hold them while the WAR gets enough TP to use Fell Cleave from 0%, I still stand by my statement.

I rather have an Ukon WAR oneshotting everything while a BLM oneshots everything and the WHM heals the WAR, one key whore and 14 afk people. Still pretty fast exp, and you can exp everywhere. Killing mobs that don't ruby is just a bonus.

[Runespider]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Depends on the emp, on most it's easy to not ruby. If you have somone with a Ukon the decision is WS and 1 shot the majority of stuff you fight regardless of hp or don't ever WS.

Truth be told, the only reason they are there is to show off the emp and make most normal players look like crap lol XP is so easy that geared players don't need merits at all anymore, you can pretty much cap out just killing all the crap to get the emp.

I understand it can be annoying but there are very few parties you join that will have people like that unless they are skilling up and just show off for a bit at the start, or people that are really really reallllly bored and have nothing better to do.

[cidbahamut]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.


Over half of the alliance is useless.

[Panthera]

If you don't like the tread then get out. your ability to impose consequences if I don't overwhelms me :cool:

I've already discussed how it's not really an Empyrean problem, it's an Abyssea problem. The issue with light dynamics that I already discussed not withstanding, we're talking about 18 guys vs one mob. As often as not, the mobs are weak enough such that alliance might split up into two or even three groups, or more with soloists, and the mob dies within ... 10-15 seconds less say, without an Empyrean Weapon. With an Empyrean Weapon, let's say 5-7 seconds. The problem is that fights are too short anyway, Empyreans or no. The Empyrean weapon is only shaving off 5-7 seconds; that's actually not that much fighting time when the time it takes to kill the isn't that long in the first place.

But, Empyreans work as they do, and Abyssea works as it does. We are not beseeching for change, we are merely lamenting the immutable status-quo. Or just being a <expletive deleted>, as you say.

[TybudX]

Still being as contradictory as ever.

How is it contradictory? On one hand, you have a DD that kills fast enough that you never run out of time, regardless of lights. On the other hand, you have BLMs who are seemingly doing nothing. If azure lights are so important for getting time, why aren't they killing stuff? Because that one DD doesn't know where ephemerals are? Why is it his problem?


... especially if you're a vet to Abyssea, red chests can cap off quickly and if all you get are red chests and no TEs you end your party pretty quickly

You don't magically get 100% of one type of chest by having capped lights in only one colour. It takes one good DD (News Flash: You don't need an Empyrean weapon) to kill stuff faster than your whole alliance, well guess what? Even if you only get blue chests 10% of the time, that one guy is getting blue chests faster than you would with the rest of the alliance. How many DDs do you have? 10? 12? So one guy is killing literally 10x faster than the rest of the alliance... yeah.

[SpankWustler]

Ruby lights are irrelevant if the group has enough competent members to kill quickly. Even if you're allergic to math, it's not hard to figure out that killing twice as faster produces twice as many chests. Ruby light also leads to Gold, Silver, and Ebon lights, which lead to more experience and cruor.

If you're timing out, the answer is to be more awesome and kill more stuff. Not to yell at the one or two bros or bro-ettes who are actually performing well and killing things at a good pace.

Ideally, an 18 person alliance will be all over the place and working on between two and a half-dozen monsters at once. So, yeah, this usually means the strongest melee are engaging monsters by their lonesome self. This is hard to do when using the books, so I actually prefer Scars areas. I'm not sure if it's more or less experience, but there's far less tedium and there's far more actual combat.

[DebbieGibson]

It is less, but yeah, I prefer to just murder shit than having to get pages all the time.

[Leonlionheart]

I hate book parties period. You can't get a good rhythm going, like, ever.

Worms on the other hand: 1 WS = Dead, TP to 100% = Dead, rinse, repeat. Don't have to mess up your groove going to the book.

[Rosina]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

[Yamimarik44]

God half of you if you do have empyrean weapons are just being rude and self absorbed, you must have the superiority complex everyone tends to get if they make a relic,mythic,empyrean weapon, god get over yourself, I currently have 2 empyrean weapons under my belt atm, one is more for show and funzies and the other is for real stuff, Kannagi and Hvergelmir anyways, I know better when I'm on NIN w/ full DD atmas on in a pt to just go up and derp derp Ruby everything if we're in dire need of TE's(with good BLM's, if you cap ruby to early w/o having many TE's, pain to get many TE's later on) so it's not always the BLM's issue nor the parties issue, it's that freaking superiority complex disease that plagues most people.

[Sparthos]

I hate book parties period. You can't get a good rhythm going, like, ever.

Worms on the other hand: 1 WS = Dead, TP to 100% = Dead, rinse, repeat. Don't have to mess up your groove going to the book.

This.

I hate Heroes zone parties cause it ultimately becomes individuals just AFKing at the NPC and never actually doing anything. Running back every 5 mobs for a new page is just mind grating and takes away from the fun of going from mob to mob kicking ass.

Really it doesn't matter anymore though. EXP parties are dead on my server and the parties that do run are just charging to leech.

Such are the sad state of affairs when everyone has their jobs/merits capped or are so lazy that they rather pay someone to EXP for them. I cant even find an Abyssea party to skillup in anymore.

[Yamimarik44]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

We don't want nor need your trolling "I hate this play style way, so I'm gonna ruin every thread by shoving my believes down everyones throat till they realize, I'm right you're wrong!" Stop ruining threads period.

[Leonlionheart]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

"I play ffxi because I like the colors!"

Let the rest of us be good at playing and good at gearing ourselves. Get that 110%, instead of the ~33% you're giving it by not gear swapping.

[Vortex]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

Is it possible you were hit on the head or ingested just strange external only liquid? because you are....well.....what's the word i'm looking for....i don't even think the word for you has been thought of yet.

[SpankWustler]

Also, I just want to add that I've been 50% of an alliance's damage before under the following conditions: I was on Beast Master, using whatever high base damage axes had recently dropped from stuff myself and my buddies fought for +2 Empyrean items, and wearing equipment that came out of my moogle's junk drawer. A mixture of Perle, Dusk, a +1 Empyrean piece, and a +2 Empyrean piece; no Epona's Ring; something sad in my ammo slot; a weapon skill set even more mediocre; and I think I was using Flowerpot Merle just because it makes goofy sounds when it hits things.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that anyone else make an Empyrean Weapon or design a spreadsheet to determine which pair of pants is ideal for every occasion. I'd be filled with joy if most of the people I encounter randomly just grabbed the few friends required and spent the few hours required to procure a few decent atma and more than one slot to stick that decent atma in.

[Rearden]

The best part of having 5 Empyreans and 2 Relics is rubying everything in all the XP parties I decide to grace.

[DebbieGibson]

It is fun to ruby shit when fools are screaming at you to stop.

[Alymorel]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

What was the phrase you used? Something about how people who gear swap are just soloers in a pt? Hate to burst your bubble, but I'd say the person NOT swapping gear is the one without skill AND just a random soloer. If anything, the non-swappers are just giant leeches.

You give ONE example of how people gear swapped to do random spike damage to a mob and instantly dies because the mob changed targets. It's funny because the only people I EVER saw die from this were the idiots who didn't know how to gear swap nor when the proper time to weaponskill is. The people who do gear swap also have enough common sense as to when to gear swap and when to weaponskill.

Also, that one example doesn't cover anyone else in the party. What about the PLD tanks who gear-swap to a curing set to heal themselves and other party members, causing more enmity, allowing them to hold hate better, and switching into a DD set to generate more as well, or a DT set so they can tank better and survive while the rest of the party beats a mob down.
What about a whm who switches to a curing set when they cast, so that they perform larger cures without using as much MP, or a mp recovery set while resting so that everyone can get back to fighting.

Or best yet, a DANCER. You should know ALL about this one as it's your big job. Are you telling me you waltz and heal your pt in a body piece meant for flourishes or are you flourishing in a body piece meant for waltzes OR are you doing both in a tp body piece. Are you waltzing in a samba headpiece or samba-ing in a waltz headpiece? BOTH will hinder the party AND waste your TP.

Gearing yourself wrong and not gear swapping not only makes it harder for the rest of your party, it puts them in jeopardy of failing at what their doing, be it a standard xp party, or a big NM fight, or even a mission. Before you go on about how only elitist soloists gear-swap, know that you are spreading false information. It is a fundamental part of the game.
Btw, at this point, I'm assuming you are trolling, which congratulations, but tbh, I'd prefer to be trolled.

Now, onto the main topic of the thread. I don't have an empryean and I do get a bit miffed when they go around one-shotting all the mobs, in this case, worms. I like parties like those because they allow me to keep my skills up without being overly boring or frustrating. And before you say something about me being jealous or such, you show me a relic polearm or a mythic scythe or empryean club (etc. etc.) that a WAR can use.

Also, with capped ruby lights, you won't find azure light in the red chests, only gold, silver, and ebon. Yes, all lights are important, but I have all the time in the world to get ruby lights, I only have that brief moment to get azure and TEs.

[Alhanelem]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Then there are the ones who can't hold back, so while you're trying to build Azures, they are rubying EVERYTHING and they usually have some witty thing to say, for example; I was in a Sand Sweeper PT with a Verethragna PUP that rubied everything and told the BLMs to go Azure ephemerals. Upon asking where they are, he told the BLMs "I dunno, you're the BLM, you're supposed to know!"

So..is it just me?
Well, if you are the BLM, you SHOULD know. And you should probably be EXPing on monsters that give no ruby light.

Why are you picking on empyrean users?? You don't need an empy weapon to cause this kind of problem.

[Dallas]

Yet another perk of Hvergelmir... no ruby light EVER. "Yo, hold off on pearl light!" <-- this never happens.

[Alhanelem]

Please don't start.

[Rearden]

I'm guessing party invites don't happen often either.

[Leonlionheart]

He's right though, Hvergelmir will never give ruby light.

Neither will Farsha,

or Armageddon.

or Gambanteinn.

[Morgantisthedon]

A relic/mythic/emperian shouldnt have to solo or need. The allaince is all about group work. If you need azure go cap azure. Not hard you can cap lights pretty fast. Even with capped lights its fast to build xp chain back up even if it entails a blm going to leave mobs you are on then coming back after azure done. Another thing i read in above statements .... people come to worm pt's for Cuior, ki collecting skilling build or they r bored want something to do. You should welcome the person with the emperian.
On a second note the person with the emperian should also note allaince balance and lights and how it works and work with that.

[Runespider]

A relic/mythic/emperian shouldnt have to solo or need.

Someone with good gear and atmas can solo a mob too, just that emps are so easy to get that chances are someone with the things I mentioned has one of those too.

Honestly if you want to skillup or make your own effort to killing and take offence and people one shotting stuff just ask nicely in party chat, very few people will be an ass about it. Well geared players do like showing off but if you talk nicely people usually act in kind.

[SNK]

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

All I hear is a load of butthurt. Yeah I have an Emperyen weapon but sometimes dropping a mob from 100% to 0% just happens. I've done it a lot so just quit crying about stupid Ruby Lights.

P.S. I can do just about the same near amount of damage on my DRG with Drakesbane using a non-emperyen polearm so it's not just Emperyen weapons. It's people who play the game better then most people who know how to pimp their gear out.

[Vagrua]

It's difficult not to ruby when someone else/others drop the mob's HP down from another WS right before you do your own. It ends up being not WSing at all relying on DoT to not upset lights or compete trying to WS before others do theirs. This doesn't apply to if you're trying to solo your own unless others attack it. Just my 2cents to defend empyrean/relic/mythic users. Though most jobs can throw out huge damage with the right atmas and WS inside abyssea without empyrean/relic/mythic.

[Gokku]

when even i exp on war or monk and someone bitch's about ukko's or victory smite getting ruby lights i just afk, why? because me being a well geared job is not my fault 10% ot 100% on either job i still have a VERY good chance of one shooting most mobs. Ive parsed 2-3 exp alliances were with an empy im literately doing 50%+ dmg of the entire alliance. Thats a single player doing more work and damage and killing faster then 17 other player combined.Also theres a good chance if the pup wasnt macroing or doing much they prob had a bot on set to ws, w/e they got tp. With an empy DD going nuts you'll get the same amount of chests and TE's as normal just you cap out ruby ebon gold silver lights ALOT faster and get more crour and exp in the long term. people have this stigma about ruby lights being the end of the world they arent, shitty players are what ruin abyssea partys the 6 people leeching is what ruins abyssea partys not the 1 player doing all the work.

[Economizer]

or Gambanteinn.

Hey! A well geared White Mage without Gambanteinn can drop 3k Hexa Strikes to ruin people's day with ruby...

Okay so yeah, the Empyrean WS sucks, what does SE think WHM is, a PLD? The WS isn't even AOE.

[Dallas]

He's right though, Hvergelmir will never give ruby light.

Neither will Farsha,

or Armageddon.

or Gambanteinn.
Haters gonna hate, but this empy user is squeaky clean today. Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets. Still pearl light, so wahhh.

It's not the weapon, It's the player behind the weapon.

[Kimara]

Haters gonna hate, but this empy user is squeaky clean today. Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets. Still pearl light, so wahhh.

It's not the weapon, It's the player behind the weapon.

<3 Eymp's don't kill things, Players kill things!

[Korpg]

Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets.

I have been known to oneshot with all avatars, not just Garuda.

But why are you stealing BLM targets? Let them do their thing, and stop being a jerk. You are the same type of person who melee's a mob the BLM is trying to solo, and ends up killing the BLM.

[Hayward]

I'd give some of these people the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes things happen where you ready a weapon skill and someone else gets a weapon skill away under yours and you end up with a ruby kill. However, you wouldn't be wrong in calling out the egomaniacs who recklessly rack up ruby lights with no consideration for time when there are not enough targets for Black Mages to offset them with azure lights, which can be done in La Theine, Attohwa, and Ulegurand.

In any case, it would help if people stop treating Abyssea parties as if some kinds of online trophies are being given out a la Halo or some other copycat game played by ADHD teens with no real accomplishments to speak of. You're not the only heroes in this world.

[Sparthos]

If you're complaining about ruby at all in an EXP group, you're doing it wrong.

If a BLM cant walk around and hit some Emphemerals while the group is killing mobs as fast possible, you're doing it wrong.

If a BLU is in party and can't cap Azure by sniping some weak mobs that con DC away from the party, you're doing it wrong.

If you're actually concerned about timing out in Abyssea in an EXP alliance, you're doing it wrong or half the alliance is AFK which wouldn't be surprising.

[Catmato]

If a BLM cant walk around and hit some Emphemerals while the group is killing mobs as fast possible, you're doing it wrong.

Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

[cidbahamut]

ITT: sniping kill-shots with elemental magic is hard.

[Catmato]

ITT: sniping kill-shots with elemental magic is hard.

The entire thread is about 1-shotting mobs with Empys. Hard to snipe killshots when mobs are killed in one hit.

[cidbahamut]

One-shotted, really? Every single time? No TP phase, just WS WS WS WS WS all night long? Ok, then pull a mob off to the side and nuke it down. Building Azure light is not difficult.

[Catmato]

It's like we're on page 1 all over again.

[Sparthos]

Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

Cause you aren't getting EXP from treasure chests.
Cause recapping EXP after you cap gold/silver is SO hard.
Cause BLM killing a couple Ephemerals for the good of speeding up one's own EXP is somehow bad.

Yes, im sorry if you come on BLM (or anything that can azure for that matter) that you'll have to do more than AFK to get good EXP.

If you recap Azure fast (a trivial matter in Scars/Heroes), you can quickly get to capping ruby (and amber) which leads to greater EXP, more loot and an overall more pleasurable experience.

[Dallas]

It's like no one knows the first rule of Aby Club... New people don't get kill shots.

[Leonlionheart]

Dallas has posted something that I approve of. I thought you would all like to know this.

[Myrrh]

Wait, why would new people need to have Azure if your Emp weapon PT members are one hitting everything?

[Korpg]

Wait, why would new people need to have Azure if your Emp weapon PT members are one hitting everything?

Because they, like everyone else, have an ego trip where they, like everyone else, feel the need to have the kill shot to make them, like everyone else, feel better.

Plus, it would suck if the new person also uses and emp weapon and start getting killshots.

[Myrrh]

I could understand that if the new person had a Emp but by the way everyone is sounding in this thread. It's the people who don't have a Emp that are feeling bad.

[Khajit]

Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

Because it's impossible for there to be more than one monster at the camp?


This entire thread seems to consist of horrible players claiming that doing it wrong is doing it right.
If one person is doing half the damage of the alliance it means the alliance itself is the weak link while the "empy user" can just leave the alliance and solo better exp than you guys.

Ruby lights are actually good for exp. The concept of being stuck on 300 exp for hours instead of getting 600 exp a kill semi quickly being bad is apparently nonexistent here.
Halfway decent rdm blm blu etc can easily get azure lights. Post update a whm is probably going to be able to one shot azure lights.
Abyssea parties are supposedly for skilling up now which explains why I see people with under 100 skill , lv 30 weapons, etc, join parties I make and then rage when i kick em. I had no idea that was the true purpose of abyssea. I should have realized that people unable to deal more damage than a thf pulling via boomerang and not meleeing are perfectly ok to have.
Are you guys seriously accusing decent-->well geared players of having a superiority complex when they ARE 10~x better than you in terms of damage? It's not a superiority complex when it's true. They probably even have better chest abyssites.
In book parties all these points about zomg you're fucking with our azure is even worse because I've literally soloed positive time in book zones without any lights whatsoever except a few azure from ruby chests.(pre empy)

I've had parties where my meleeing brd going afk or leaving literally makes them time out because they were essentially leeching on the brd(that they put in a mage pt for some unknown reason) and as such I'm more inclined to think that the person killing fast is less a problem than the other people who cant even halfway keep up.

TLDR it's not the empy person being bad, it's you being terrible.

[TybudX]

ITT: People saying BLM shouldn't have to run off to cap Azure lights... when exping on worms.

Abyssea exp alliances suck because 94.4% of the people in them aren't smart enough to kill a potato. If you really think Azure lights are important, fight something that gives Azure? Holy shit. Next thing you know people are going to start saying that those evil well-geared players are following their BLMs around the zone to steal their kills.

[Sparthos]

ITT: People saying BLM shouldn't have to run off to cap Azure lights... when exping on worms.

Abyssea exp alliances suck because 94.4% of the people in them aren't smart enough to kill a potato. If you really think Azure lights are important, fight something that gives Azure? Holy shit. Next thing you know people are going to start saying that those evil well-geared players are following their BLMs around the zone to steal their kills.

In a Vision zone it's slightly more annoying to recap lights but really a BLU or BLM should have no problem getting lights back up speed if they bother to do it right.

Azure stuff away from the party if you have to.

[TybudX]

Azure stuff away from the party if you have to.

The point being people are complaining about this one specific guy keeping them from being able to get Azure lights... at worms. They already need to Azure stuff away from the party. They just aren't smart enough to know better.

[BorkBorkBork]

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster. The whole 'avoid ruby until you cap azure' thing is along the same lines as the 'make your DDs sub NIN so the healer can keep sucking' thing. If somebody happens to be stupid and own an empyrean weapon man up and tell them to solo mobs. And you can't get azure why? What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?


There is a good reason the alliance you were in looked useless. It wasn't that one guy.

This so much, SE really needs to put out a tutorial on how lights in abyssea work and that ruby isn't bad unless your alliance is horrible and full of people that are there to skill up. If that's the case it's doomed to fail. I love the mentality of zomfg don't ws.

[Madjam]

All you need in abyssea burn parties now is 1 emp user, 1 BLM, 1 WHM, and 15 leeches.

Which is what you are getting anyway. More leechers than players.

Well, that doesn't prevent Leech A from being accussed of leeching by Leech B and to have Leech B flamming on Leech A's back to the leader to the Leeches' Abyssea Burn Experience Party to have Leeche A kicked out for leeching which result of having Leech A kicked out of the party for no valid reason...

Leech B is a Leech Queen B..... That kind of Leech is to be avoided at all cost. And if you happen to be the leader of such party, do the party a favor and kick that Queen B out.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Just as a side note to the mentality of this thread, you're saying empy users shouldnt solo mobs, but blms/blus/schs/rdm should leave camp and farm light...so in summary "Dont make this person go out of their way to help the party, but its okay to make THIS person go out of their way to do things." Not that i am siding with either side, but dont you find that silly that your advice at core is the same as the argument you are against in a nutshell?

[SpankWustler]

Abyssea exp alliances suck because 94.4% of the people in them aren't smart enough to kill a potato.

This sentence gives me an amazing mental image. A dozen of the worst melee imaginable are gathered around a gigantic potato, breaking their cheap plastic spoons against it's rough and rustic skin. Suddenly, someone appears with an Empyrean Potato Masher and Atma of the Malevolent Masher. He uses "Smashed Potatoes with Chives" which lays waste to the villainous but delicious root vegetable.

Everyone single one of those horrible melee cry out in fury and anguish, "RUUUUUUBY LIIIIIIGHT!!!"

[Sparthos]

Just as a side note to the mentality of this thread, you're saying empy users shouldnt solo mobs, but blms/blus/schs/rdm should leave camp and farm light...so in summary "Dont make this person go out of their way to help the party, but its okay to make THIS person go out of their way to do things." Not that i am siding with either side, but dont you find that silly that your advice at core is the same as the argument you are against in a nutshell?

Huh? My advice is pretty simple:

-Always kill as fast as possible.
-If you need Azure, don't be afraid to send someone out to go snipe Ephemerals or normal monsters for Azure.
-Always kill as fast as possible.

The only thing that may throw a wrench into this is a Vision zone party where you need Pearl as zonewide bonuses arent in effect.

[Xellith]

Still being as contradictory as ever.

Also, you may want to think about what you just said:




Unless you send your BLMs off to run around the zone (which most already do, especially emph hunting in some zones), you'll still have overpowering ruby which we do know, especially if you're a vet to Abyssea, red chests can cap off quickly and if all you get are red chests and no TEs you end your party pretty quickly, especially if you're the type to use a keyer or actually help out new players levels who won't have 100+ minutes to blow.

Anyone with an emp worth their salt will kill everything quickly.

If new players dont have the time then they shouldnt be in the zone without entering with more traverser stones. EXP/hr shouldnt be dictated by the weakest link. They can enter late or not enter at all. I usually tell people with low time to enter late so they can get in on the exp eventually.

Ruby is required for exp for gold and ebon lights. If your killspeed is fast enough and your mages can actually azure stuff then over time youll have much greater gains. Ruby isnt the devil that people make it out to be. It all depends how fast you can smash stuff in the face while the blms are off doing other monsters in another part of the zone/camp.

Dont blame empy users. This isnt an empy issue. This is down to blms/rdms/whatevernukes not getting azure. That being said, once again you have to be able to kill VERY fast to get good gains from smashing stuff in the face.

Another way you can do it is you would have 1-2 people outside the alliance cap ruby then get them back in the alliance and not ruby anything else again. You would then have them get killshots so the rest of the alliance can get TE and Amber but still leech gold, silver and ebon lights off the 1-2 people with capped ruby

[BorkBorkBork]

This sentence gives me an amazing mental image. A dozen of the worst melee imaginable are gathered around a gigantic potato, breaking their cheap plastic spoons against it's rough and rustic skin. Suddenly, someone appears with an Empyrean Potato Masher and Atma of the Malevolent Masher. He uses "Smashed Potatoes with Chives" which lays waste to the villainous but delicious root vegetable.

Everyone single one of those horrible melee cry out in fury and anguish, "RUUUUUUBY LIIIIIIGHT!!!"

Only acceptable image if said melee are wearing full pink at 90 and not swapping gear.

[cidbahamut]

Only acceptable image if said melee are wearing full pink at 90 and not swapping gear.

Full AF would also be acceptable.

[SpankWustler]

They are wearing a mixture of AF, Relic, and Pink. So as to better utilize the worst possible pieces from each set.

[Reiterpallasch]

Don't forget the NQ AF3