inflation, you can have this

[user201108211515]

Ever hear the old horror stories of a few years back. SH@10m SH+1@50m. 50m strider boots. 90m thief knifes and so on.

Most people duno why it happened so allow me to explain.

It use to be that anyone that wanted gil could go to rabo and fish up rusty caps and sell them to any NPC for 3k ish gil. Sure it isnt much but if you fished all day you could make 1m easy.

So SE nerfs it. Once again se changes things to make them worse.

Now you need lv 25 ish smithing to turn rusty cap into padded cap and then you can sell it for 3k ish gil. Problem solved right? LOL @ SE.. Now light crystals are 12-15k a stack and people can still turn out 1m ish gill cauz by now we have mog enhancement furnishing that increase item bite rate.

So after about 18 mos of this. What do you see when you zone into rabo.. Shoulder to shoulder players all the way arround the pond. No joke you could not find a open space 99% of the time you just fish behind someone.

prices go crazy because by now the RMTs are all over this and people were geting gil for like 5/1m. SE nerfs this for good.

One would think SE would have learned something by now.. but no..

present day. Go out to beacu glacier and see for your self. Lots of fish bots there. Reguardless of who is or isnt boting... prices per fish is 10k to any npc. 80-100 fish a day easy. In another 6-12 mos or so im sure it will be packed with people fishing. Even if it was only 50 people turning out 1m a day.. that is still 350m a week. X 2-3 years it will take SE to wake up and realise we have a problem.

Start pinching those gilz.. Gonna need all ya can get soon enough.

Dont get me wrong.. I'm 100 fishing and after years of watching low LV fishers/bots get rewarded for being lazy at things like rusty caps and devil manta. It sure woulda been nice to have a $ fish for LV 100 fishers.. too bad SE caters to bots. Border line rewards them. I sure cant catch every one that bites my line even using an albatross ring. Bots dont even need the ring and fish them up in under 20 sec.

Am I the only one that feels like the people incharge know nothing about this game?

[Arcon]

Am I the only one that feels like the people incharge know nothing about this game?

No. SE goes to great lengths to show us that they know nothing about this game. Just look at any job specific forum (except WAR, SE loves them some WAR).

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[Rosina]

inflation happens when people got more gil then it needed. It is happening on ffxiv currently. People blamed it on the gil buyers and sellers. People are lazy and will buy gil. Pretty much people will put stuff up for prices that they feel they can get away with. LIke 200K-1mil for leaping boots because people could "afford" it. Controling an economy is actually pretty hard. You need to make sure their is a balance. Pretty much people need "just enough" gil on them not to much and not to little. Right now ffxiv is suffering from a wicked inflation because of the limited gil sink and people being self suffitent and to add gil "raining" down on them from guilleve. (which got nerfed a bit) you have gear in ff14 from 1-20 being 10-100K (currently as a newbie you can't buy these)

pretty much
if that is too long

inflation happens when people got too much money and not spending it decently and the sellers get away with high priced goods to get money from thses heavy purse players.

[Runespider]

Inflation was a big deal when the AH mattered, all the best gear is easy to get and r/e now. You can play FFXI with almost no gil at all quite happily, that was never the case before.

[Arcon]

Inflation was a big deal when the AH mattered, all the best gear is easy to get and r/e now. You can play FFXI with almost no gil at all quite happily, that was never the case before.

In a way you're right, in another way not so much. Yes, you can play happily, but you could "play happily" before too, whatever that means. If you wanna advance at a reasonable rate, you will need some gil. If you wanna excel, you need lots of gil. There's still lots of great gear you can get from AH, and quite expensive lately as well. And there's still the issue of relic/mythic. And also, there's new ways to spend gil popping up. People leeching their jobs, people buying pop sets or even buying rare/ex items/materials (just look at empyrean weapon trial items). Gil is still important, maybe less than before, but it won't go away. So inflation would still matter.

[Buffy]

I feel like this thread should be dated Christmas 2005.

[DebbieGibson]

Ya you need ebisu to catch those fish... this is nothing like padded caps.

[user201108211515]

ebisu isnt hard for bots to get.

introducing $ into the econ via NPC is exactly like padded caps.

[Octaviane]

OP needs to be banned just for his name.

[DebbieGibson]

ebisu isnt hard for bots to get.

And that's why bcd looks just like rabao did right?

oh wait....

[user201108211515]

i have a mule with the same name, so what?

[user201108211515]

and another post of mine where people talk w/o reading what I had already said.

It isnt as bad now but 6-12 mos from now it will be. By then the damage will already be done.

[Vold]

I'll break my golden rule for this:

Bring it on, I say. There's nothing I would like more than one chance at making hundreds of millions of gil easily, to horde all that gil for future purchases, before deflation happened again. Bring it on, please. I just need the one chance to be a billionaire. All I'm asking.

[DebbieGibson]

It isnt as bad now but 6-12 mos from now it will be. By then the damage will already be done.

It's been in the game already for 9 months.

[user201108211515]

Ya seriously gonna just drag this out arent ya? How about in 6 mos come tell me how there are less people there.. and in a year tell me how no one go there anymore... Or you can join reality and realise that every day more and more people will end up out there. Lets pretend that once every 3 days some bot gets an ebisu rod. that is at least 120 new ebisubots per year.. Ya think they gonna go anywhere else but there?

[user201108211515]

Someone find it for me.. the last vana census thing,, It clearly shows the huge influx of ebisu rods... But na you are right and I am so wrong... Is no problem here... as if...

[DebbieGibson]

I didnt say there would be less people there did i? I said its been around for 9 months already and it looks nothing like rabao. This is not something you can just take your lvl 10 mule with 0 fishing skill to do. An ebisu rod is no easy task, evidenced by your whining about it here, else you would be doing it yourself? Heaven forbid a craft actually make gil. SE set the price of the fish, you dont think they knew what they were doing?

I don't see why you think this means there will be inflation either. Gil has to come from somewhere.

edit: 19 people in bcd on valefor at the moment, 4 of them are camping that nm. So 15 ebisu perhaps sans a guy running to feiyin or something. That doesn't sound anything close to an ebisu every 3 days. There should be almost 100 ebisu's out there if your doomsday predictions are correct.

[Zagen]

As someone else said Gil means almost nothing now-a-days all the good gear is quested/dropped and R/E. you can buy "ok" alternatives but the difference between the "ok" gear and the good gear is noticeable even in abyssea were we're all in demi-god mode.

Just checked IGE which from what I knew used to be one of the biggest gil selling sites (could be wrong, don't care tbh) and they don't even offer FFXI Gil anymore. Because it likely isn't worth selling anymore for them.

In 3 hours of EXPing in a PUG Abyssea group you'll usually make 100k Cruor which converts to 250k+ Gil. You just made gil while EXPing instead of having to choose between farming or EXPing.

In a Cruor Burn Party you should be making 100-200k Cruor an hour or 250-500k+ Gil...

Now you have everyone making loads of Gil to spend on all that cool stuff. But wait! The cool stuff is all quested or R/E now... So at best you can buy those by finding a merc group. But remember almost all the good stuff isn't buy-able anymore so there aren't many merc groups as they don't need loads of gil (relic/mythic makers aside).

So realistically the only thing you're left with that is still bought is food/consumables... Remember that "demi-god" mode well that also leads a lot of players to believe they don't need these often if at all for most of the things they're doing. Thus preventing the inflation due to the demand not being high enough to support a severe cost raise.

[Kagato]

At first I thought this topic was interesting, but now I'm bored.

[Romanova]

inflation happens when people got too much money and not spending it decently and the sellers get away with high priced goods to get money from thses heavy purse players.

kinda but not quite. Since currency in an mmo is virtual, inflation simply happens when more gil is being generated than being taken out of the system.

Inflation happened fast and quickly the first time around because not only were the fish bots npc'ing caps, but really the only thing people were spending gil on that took the gil out of the system was dynamis. Everything else just circulated.

Unfortunately, things like dynamis/limbus/etc. no longer really applies, so even without the bots inflation this was bound to happen anyway.


As for ffxiv, they tried to fix it via the repair dudes, but like typical SE, it took them forever to try and get that right, and the damage is already done.

They need to put something in the game that is expensive that helps to take money out of the system, then they can change the price once gil levels out.

[user201108211515]

"kinda but not quite. Since currency in an mmo is virtual, inflation simply happens when more gil is being generated than being taken out of the system"

This is it exactly.

And talkn as if a lack of evdiance is your evdiance.. Perhapse on your server it isnt as bad.. on asura are 20-30 bots at any given time.

As if rabo was flooded over night.. it took from the release of rotz till after the MPK nerf before it was even an issue. that is almost 2 years.. So if only 9 mos so far.. You figure it out for your self.. I'm done explaining a simple concept to you.

edit: i have fished them but they are a waste of time for a non bot player. I get 30k a pop for gugrus.. much better $ fish for me.

[DebbieGibson]

"kinda but not quite. Since currency in an mmo is virtual, inflation simply happens when more gil is being generated than being taken out of the system"

This is it exactly.

And talkn as if a lack of evdiance is your evdiance.. Perhapse on your server it isnt as bad.. on asura are 20-30 bots at any given time.

As if rabo was flooded over night.. it took from the release of rotz till after the MPK nerf before it was even an issue. that is almost 2 years.. So if only 9 mos so far.. You figure it out for your self.. I'm done explaining a simple concept to you.

edit: i have fished them but they are a waste of time for a non bot player. I get 30k a pop for gugrus.. much better $ fish for me.

Ok 9 months there's 15, in 18 months there will be 30?. That still wouldn't be anything close to what you described at rabao.

And you fishing gugs is not going to make it worse somehow?

[user201108211515]

Again.. just because the ammount of bots of your server is less then others. I hardly see how you think you can blow it off as a non issue.. If this isnt effecting you then why are you still talking? Perhapse you are one of the bots and the last thing you want is anything to be done about this... Otherwise why would what I have to say bother you so bad?

It should bother any real non bot player that cheaters are geting rewarded for cheating. If you dont have a problem with that.. You should have your head checked. Unless you enjoy geting screwed over...

And my bazarr mule is limited to 30 spaces so any given night I'm sleeping only 30 fish from me can be traded.. I still get tells of "thx I got it" but not as often as when I had a mule with 80 spaces.

Not to mention I will not fish Liks for anyone. So its w/e really. They were gonna get the rod with or with out me.. I might as well make some $ while I can.

[user201108211515]

"Ok 9 months there's 15, in 18 months there will be 30?. That still wouldn't be anything close to what you described at rabao."

30 per day x 1m per day = 30m
x365 = 10,950,000,000

Mere pennies, again you so right I'm so wrong.. A lil bit of npc induced gil couldnt hurt anything....

You can really stop now. Nothing you can say will change facts. Somehow you think you can argue the math.. Math never lies =P

[DebbieGibson]

30 bots is not shoulder to shoulder in rabao pond. This is once again, not like the padded caps.

Besides that though, since you're ignoring the fact that you have to actually get ebisu to do this, remember that you have to have bait, and it isn't unlimited.

[Thonuwan]

Could someone please explain to me what will theoretically happen when inflation occurs? I don't think I've been around for a recent occurrence so I'm not sure how it affects the in game market. If someone could explain I would appreciate it.

[DebbieGibson]

It means haubergeon will cost 20m and dyna currency will go up to 30k per single.

[user201108211515]

The price of everything will go up. food ammo meds as well as high end gear that can be bought

Ok you are about to get the ignore button.. Your ignorance is very anoying. Appearently you only read what you want to read and ignore the answers given.

Just because you dont see a problem on your server as of today wont meant it wont be a problem later. How many GD times and different ways must I explain this to you before it gets through that thick head of yours?

Ebisu is not hard to get I gave 3 away to friends. 2 of which were back when the rod was actually hard to get.. before ToAH.

Your nonsence is anoying now.

[uptempo]

You really need to stop this stupid crusade some of us ebisu fishers have waited a long time for a good fish like this. We need to get bait the line snaps over and over this isn't going to cause the situation you describe stop been so paranoid you horrible little man.

[Puck]

ITT: 2006 called and wants its inflation back.

If anything, inflation should be happening due to people selling tons of items to NPCs more than any before. Back in the day it was RMT doing this, but now the average player sells a LOT of items to NPCs for a lot of gil. 34K Dark rings, anyone?

You would think with all the normal players selling things to NPCs we would've seen a lot of inflation, but we haven't. Somehow, consumables remain at stable prices. All the best things in the game are free, getting adequate gear from the AH is more affordable than ever.

Chicken Little can take a deep breath and calm down.

[DebbieGibson]

The price of everything will go up. food ammo meds as well as high end gear that can be bought

Ok you are about to get the ignore button.. Your ignorance is very anoying. Appearently you only read what you want to read and ignore the answers given.

Just because you dont see a problem on your server as of today wont meant it wont be a problem later. How many GD times and different ways must I explain this to you before it gets through that thick head of yours?

Ebisu is not hard to get I gave 3 away to friends. 2 of which were back when the rod was actually hard to get.. before ToAH.

Your nonsence is anoying now.

I'm just pointing out that it's nothing like padded caps, as per your original post. And you can't give away ebisu rods, unless you somehow also gave them 95,000 GP.(Which is the time consuming part, make no mistake)

[user201108211515]

Call it what you will but this lil troll has been harassing me for 3 days now. I'm happy for people that are able to live with their heads in the sand. You just wait till it becomes a problem and then you can have no room to complain then.

you are right 100+ fishers have wanted something like this but what good is it to be able to make decient gill if prices sky rocket.. Then the "decient" gill you were making isnt so good anymore.

What bait has to do with anything IDK.. 80/80/80 item slots while not in mog.. minnow/ sinking minnow are easily purchased at 3 boats and 3 guilds. So if the price is high at one... actually you bring up a great point.. Now that I think about it.. Last few times I went to fish them i had to run arround to find some that wernt crazy over priced.. SO just wait till it is a problem and you will be able to tell because you wont be able to find low priced ones from NPC. People camping the guilds with mules to but as many as they can when the store opens.. I can see it now.. 10k per lure on AH since you should be able to get at least 2 fish per lure, people will be fine taking 1/2 of your profit.

The price of Light crystals did the same thing. 12-15k a stack when you can make 32-35k ish per stack. And good luck farming light eles was always mules on those too.

I get it though that is your server friend trolln me so you have to back em up reguardless of how empty an arguement they have. Not seeing a problem on one server isnt really what I would call proof of anything. Refusing to see how this is similar to the rusty cap exploit is also not my problem.

when I 1st started on rusty caps was only like 20-30 people there at any given time. Light crystals were still a low price.. then over night things change. 250 people in zone... Not sayn when just sayn if left unchecked it will happen. Deny it all ya want.. where ever a game has an exploit.. people will abuse it and ruin it for everyone else. Argue that...

But yes I'm so horrable for feeding trolls.. sayn more then once how they are so right in the hope they would stop trolln but no.. the person just wants to argue anything I have to say. I get it really.

I love my block button, best thing ever.

[Ravenmore]

Seeing how low leves are soloable and with level sync alli book burns, not needing the very best gear at every level and not to mention the other half the old gear like SH and hauby were made with mats that came from NMs or BCNM. There is also the fack that more gear now for low levels can be bought of a NPC which is fine since you won't be in it long. I been NPCing or just not pulling out of a box mats that a year and a half ago I would slap my self for doing.

Its different this time around since those that are not fish botting have the same chance to bring gil into the system. Fish bots and fish are not the fastest way to make gil anymore. Its better now that if you didn't bot you had to choose fishing or playing the rest of the game. Really just exping is free gil with just doing the Dom ops pages you can make enough gil to pay for tools and food.

Your worried about fishing guess what 200k other players can pull gil out of thin air at a whim. No matter how much it goes up farming is easier then ever and you don't even have to fight over the good farming spots anymore. People used to complain over 50 mil SH or what not, due to simply they were just to lazy to farm since everything was going for higher prices.

[user201108211515]

puck you are right and the fish we are talking about is one ya sell to a NPC for 10k+

This is it debbie, say goodbye. You lost it all by sayn that...

"And you can't give away ebisu rods, unless you somehow also gave them 95,000 GP"

Shows how little you know. You most definately can give the fish away to friends with fishing LV38/40+ that can have fish gutted. You dont need serpent rumors to obtain the shoot/silk. But yes I did help the 1st 2 friends with the guild fish as well. Not at all hard.

You seem so lost..

Have you played this game before?

But really, promise this time, ya blocked for wasting so much of my time with your BS.

[uptempo]

op qq less no one cares your beyond paranoid what you say isn't going to happen.

[DebbieGibson]

puck you are right and the fish we are talking about is one ya sell to a NPC for 10k+

This is it debbie, say goodbye. You lost it all by sayn that...

"And you can't give away ebisu rods, unless you somehow also gave them 95,000 GP"

Shows how little you know. You most definately can give the fish away to friends with fishing LV38/40+ that can have fish gutted. You dont need serpent rumors to obtain the shoot/silk. But yes I did help the 1st 2 friends with the guild fish as well. Not at all hard.

You seem so lost..

Have you played this game before?

But really, promise this time, ya blocked for wasting so much of my time with your BS.

You completely missed the point lol

[user201108211515]

You are correct as well raven. Are far too many ways to get alot of gill from NPCs. The main difference is that bots never sleep or stop fishing other then to sell the fish or resupply lures. Real people that NPC aby items are <taking a break> many hours of the day. Also geting 1-2 drk rings an hr.. isnt un herd of but wouldnt bet on it. AoE farming may be but then how many other people want in on it...

I have also sold many dark rings and other various aby items to NPCs.. Do I think it helps the game in the long run.. Not really... Not sure why SE would do this either.. Eventually the decient gill players get now from NPCs.. might not be so great anymore.. when the price of things you buy increase 2x..5x.. and so on but the price of that you sell for gil isnt increasing.. Then people will go wtf.. why is this happening... Just like before..

[user201108211515]

Yes pls do uptempo. You want to troll go shout in PJ. It wont get you anywhere with me. Your friend has no clue what they are talkn about.

The only difference from hakuryu* to rusty cap is a bought account with 100 fishing. with or with out ebisu rod. If someone is going to cheat and bot why stop there.. just buy the character ya need to get the ill gotten gilz flowing..

Reguardless this exploit as well as the many other NPC sold items will get abused and cause alot of damage over time.

It amazes me how something you and your friend claim isnt a problem.. causes such a problem for you when I talk about it.. What sence does that make?

[DebbieGibson]

Yes pls do uptempo. You want to troll go shout in PJ. It wont get you anywhere with me. Your friend has no clue what they are talkn about.

The only difference from hakuryu* to rusty cap is a bought account with 100 fishing. with or with out ebisu rod. If someone is going to cheat and bot why stop there.. just buy the character ya need to get the ill gotten gilz flowing..

Reguardless this exploit as well as the many other NPC sold items will get abused and cause alot of damage over time.

It amazes me how something you and your friend claim isnt a problem.. causes such a problem for you when I talk about it.. What sence does that make?

Leveling fishing to 100, or even just 78 is all you need, is no time at all spent as you can do it while getting the GP. The only way to get an ebisu quickly is to buy the ebisu rod. Assuming you already have ebisu rod to fish ebisu fish for you, the hurdles to getting ebisu rod in order of most time required to least:
1) 95k GP(about a month)
2) getting lv 100 fishing(about 3 weeks, but can get GP at same time)
3) waiting 2 weeks for 10 fish cap to wear if it's new character
4) getting the ebisu items(will take much longer if no ebisu and having to buy all fish)
So minimum 6-7 weeks.
This is much different than any mule with 0 fishing skill going out to rabao and pulling up 1M gil. If you can't see the difference then something is wrong with your eyes.

[Ravenmore]

Yes pls do uptempo. You want to troll go shout in PJ. It wont get you anywhere with me. Your friend has no clue what they are talkn about.

The only difference from hakuryu* to rusty cap is a bought account with 100 fishing. with or with out ebisu rod. If someone is going to cheat and bot why stop there.. just buy the character ya need to get the ill gotten gilz flowing..

Reguardless this exploit as well as the many other NPC sold items will get abused and cause alot of damage over time.

It amazes me how something you and your friend claim isnt a problem.. causes such a problem for you when I talk about it.. What sence does that make?

Are you even playing the rest of the game. If you choose to fishing over say exping you not making much more gil. Thats were fish bots come in since you don't need to be at the char and can be off doing something else like sleeping or playing another char.

There at least 200k players that are npcing cruor and dom weapons not to mention weapons they can grab out of gold boxes, other npc items out of the same boxes npcable items off the mobs them selfs. Pop items for NMs sell for a good bit and stuff like dragon meat comes out of gold boxes. Just look at how many have a 100 fishing or that rod then look at the rest of the player base that can pull just as much gil out as the fisherman while going about thier everyday things.l

[user201108211515]

lol back then the fishing system was a longer wait for lower LVs so your theory is still way off. Higher LV fishers were able to get many more casts per hr then LV 0. As well as better bite rates.

1) yea a month at worst and the character could have the rod already. such a long wait
2) that is only 3 weeks in the same month of geting GP items. so still not over a month time if they are bot fishing.
3) lol odds are the mule character they will use for this isnt brand new. not everyone is a noob just because they are low LV. So another dead end go no where arguement. Still not longer then a month time bot fishing.
4) the last rod I gave away took less then a week per item. And that person gave away a few as well in a very short time. Another bad arguement. The only people that i have talked to that have a hard time geting ebisu are the ones that trade in 5-10 at a time.. You spam 80-160+ at once.. I can catch an easy 80 fish per day... so 3-5 days of fishing may be 7..

wow so hard...

get real.

You underestimate how far people will go to cheat.

So your sayn that in one month a person can get it done and cant see how it could be a problem 6-12+ mos later.

Now I'm the stupid one for clicking "read block users post" and thinking you had something worth reading.

The main thing you fail to understand here is this is an exploit.. And it will be abused.. no matter how much you deny it. Even if it took 2 mos.. to anyone that would seem like a fair trade to be able to get an easy 1m ish per day by doing no work..

[user201108211515]

lol raven. Yes I play this game too much. /playlog 1967 days on my main character(ps3). Maats cap KC about to finish my 2nd emp weapon. 7 WoE +2weapons. about 5k currency from soloing a relic. Bla bla bla n so on. I cant even exp anymore =( caped out and cap merits is lame...

My mage character(ps2) is the one I fish on. /playlog @ 1253 days and that is the character I use mules to bazaar my fish so it shows in time played sadly =( Has a 6 jobs all 90 cap merits sick gear bla bla bla.

So while killn time, workn of trial weapons.. the huge ammount of waiting that is FFXI.. I get to fish during all of that down time. It is great I reccomend it to anyone.

The reality of my situation is.. I have over 120m gil. Inflation wont effect me much. This post was just meant to be a heads up but some how it became a haters parade.

I still dont get how someone has a problem with something when they deny it is a problem...

[Ravenmore]

lol raven. Yes I play this game too much. /playlog 1967 days on my main character(ps3). Maats cap KC about to finish my 2nd emp weapon. 7 WoE +2weapons. about 5k currency from soloing a relic. Bla bla bla n so on. I cant even exp anymore =( caped out and cap merits is lame...

My mage character(ps2) is the one I fish on. /playlog @ 1253 days and that is the character I use mules to bazaar my fish so it shows in time played sadly =( Has a 6 jobs all 90 cap merits sick gear bla bla bla.

So while killn time, workn of trial weapons.. the huge ammount of waiting that is FFXI.. I get to fish during all of that down time. It is great I reccomend it to anyone.

The reality of my situation is.. I have over 120m gil. Inflation wont effect me much. This post was just meant to be a heads up but some how it became a haters parade.

I still dont get how someone has a problem with something when they deny it is a problem...

If it would be a problem it would had happen before 200k brews. for 6 months thier was no other use for crour then npcing armor. Though even now with brews thier is more ways to pull gil out of thin air then fishing. Like the other 200K players that can pul 250k+ from just exping. By the way nothing stops people from exping just cause they are capped out on exp and merits it then becomes a dom note/crour farm. Its been over a year of not just free gil massive amounts of free gil. This is also on top of the game bleeding off players left and right.

Peak inflation also happed when the game was at the peak of the plyer base. 500k players all adding a little gil to the system while rmt fish bots, non-fish bots players and so on dumping gil into the system. This was also a time when AH gear was most of the best gear out there, fastward to today when 90% of the best gear is RA/EX. Even the gear from VWNM that is AHable is droping in price like mad. Then there is the simple fact endgame is more accessable to everyone.

[user201108211515]

Well the price of shihei is up about 2x price. most decient foods as well. Currency is up 2x-3x price depending.

VWNM/new BCNM items are like all new content items.. price starts out high then drops.. That is very usual.

I'm not sure how using a brew creats gil. If someone is payn you to use it.. that is player to player.. No new gill is introduced.

And yes only a year.. that the 1st few mos of not many were NPC items for gil. They AH the pink n pearl gear for crazy gil.. but now alot of people NPC it. So starts small and ends big with everyone doing it. Hmm where have I seen that before.

But I'm sure things will only get better with more NPC goten gil...

And I have a lil over 9m crour. And this is not counting the 2m i spent on a brew right after heroes to get shin access.. Dont need dom notes either but thx for askn =)

[user201108211515]

Here is a perfect example of not only the kind of trash found on asura but proof of how far a scum bag hacker will go to ruin the game.

ffxiah.com/screenshots/50239

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Forceofwill.

Asura fishermen forceofwill is trying to stop your income.

[user201108211515]

Forceofwill.

Asura fishermen forceofwill is trying to stop your incoming.

Really. So imformative. You figure that out all by your self or dont tell me you actually read another one of my posts where I said that already.

So I just looked you up and see not only do you only have 4 jobs but you have 2 relics and the only craft you have is fishing. Bot fish much? LOL that is why you 2 are so mad. Too funny. You 2 are the ones I am warning real players about.

Lol hackers and pretending to be good. Too funny.

Your post made no sence btw.

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Haha you silly little man ive had my apoclaypse long befoe hakuryus came out and my bravura was 90% done when they did come out try harder. What does it matter to you idiot if i like to spend time in game fishing i forgot everyone must be a bot because they do somethnig you can't be bothered to do people like you make me sick.

You are beyond paranoid its so funny lol. Heres a little tip you can npc choco blinkers and fell cleave all day and make probaly twice the money haks can bring in.

[user201108211515]

Im sure you were botn devilmanta. You arent fooln anyone.

And if you actually read what people write before trolling you would know already that I have said I fish gugrus mainly @30k a pop.

Hakus is a boters fish for the most part. Real non bot players dont stay there long because it angers them to have such a hard time to catch one and on top of it they get to watch cheaters catch them very fast.

lol i cant? now you are going to pretend to know what i can and cant do? You dont even have fisher torque.. Why? cauz ya cant bot for that can ya.

When you catch a haku bigger then 800/4065 come tell me all about how I never fish them for an extended ammount of time to find such a big one.

You make your self sick with nerd rage that you are cought and now you have to save face by calln me names but its all good. players like you have very short virtual life spans.

Lol 4 jobs with 2 relics and no real way to make $ but fishing and you gonna try to deny boting. Ima die loln about this one.

Again.. ya not fooln anyone. Only craft to 100 is fishing and you only have 4 melee jobs so how did you make all your gil before aby?

lol people that cheat and then troll to what try to get a thread lock? Ya think it will stop me from communicating with other real players about how to battle the trash that ruins this game? GL with that one. The reality is. are far more legit players then cheaters. You are the minority. Check out the post about the 200 fish cap. I'm not the onlyone lookn to kill some bots.

Better put your troll face on.. This party just getn started.

[user201108211515]

Paranoid about what? lol When I see people cheating I make complaints to S.t.f.u.

And when I get trolled by them I shut them down with words alone so really.. do explain your assumption of paranoia.

Do you even know what the word means?

In reality you are the one that is paranoid to think for a second the exploit you rely on could be taken away from you if/ when it becomes a problem/ enough people complain.

SE has nerfed everything I have ever done to make gil and it effects me very little beyond anoyance.

Try harder with name calln ^^ may be some your mom jokes when you are totally out of nonsence to say.

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Hahah you really are a idiot. One thing i want to point out to you not that i really need to but just so you know my fishing was level 15 at most when i finished apocalypse i was in a very good ls which did payouts please sir as i said you are paranoid and have no idea what you are talking about.

P.s i have three mage jobs Rdm Smn Blm very soon whm aswell and two dd jobs not four War and Drk.

See you in whatever silly thread you post in next because im for sure done with this and your baseless accusations.

[user201108211515]

Lol dont do me any favors or make empty promices. I was ready for you to stfu 3 pages ago. You have nothing usefull to say but to troll. And pay outs from what? that is a fairly generic answer. Couldnt come up with a better lie?

Lol 3 mage jobs. I LVd blm 3x whm rdm smn blu sch 2x. I'm sure my mules have more exp then you. Did you cap even a single jobs merits before aby?

lol 7 jobs total lol watch out people we got a pro here. lol aby burned mage jobs. I'm sure you do so well on those jobs too lol. Your LS members prolly get the chills anytime you offer to come a mage job. You really gotta stop talkn ya so bad.

[tinydog]

fish in nashmau they go for 600 and 700 gil and one of them stacks!

[user201108211515]

oh lol i miss read that you only have 5 jobs workn on the 6th.. yea that is funny.. my mule has more jobs @90 and caped merits for them all.

And I can account for every gil I have ever made. Not some generic 'Payouts" answer. lol no LS has payouts that would cover a relic in even a year. No legit shell at least. Ya didnt even think ahead enough to lie and say they helped farm the currency for it.

Naw now ya ready to back down after ya got called out and realise your nonsence wont fly here.

[user201108211515]

IDK tiny. I never fish there longer then what it took to wait for the boat.

[tinydog]

yeah i lvled from 50-55 there so far. i mean basically i make gil from just selling everything i come across from lvling lowbies to abyssea or hnms. i just put it up on ah for 1 gil.

[user201108211515]

yea I post alot of things @ 1gil too just to get rid of it. Suprising though.. most people dont try to buy for 1gil 1st bid... Ya would be suprised how often it works.