Why can't Sam use the empyrean bow?

[Matayo]

I'm a masamune Sam that take pride in the job no bandwagon Sam here. But I was thinking why can't we use the empyrean bow like rng and Sam share relic bow. I See other jobs have options why can't Sam? Not to mention would be a nice reason to full time RR.
Think about it SA VV RR full time you got the option to use fudo or the bow ws. Powerful ws followed by K crits. And thoes NMs you have to run in and out to kill. Another thing they give Sam thes AF3 hands that has bow and arrow written all over them but what bow is worth Sam using now days. I think it would be fair to have the option of using the emp bow on Sam.

Am I the only one who think they should change this in a update making it so Sam and rng is on the empyrean bow? Who agree?

[Colenzo]

It would be pretty sweet, but I think that would be really over powered lol.

[Ramenuzumaki]

Colenzo is right. SAM has been getting a lot of attention lately, and people are already complaining we are overpowered. I think making SAM unable to use the EMP bow is just their way of keeping a balance. I'm not very butthurt over it haha.

[Matayo]

What are you guys saying they Ben getting attention lol. You have o get a masamune to keep up with the other jobs that take advantage of RR. Then you must know what to do with it to be better. So Sam is not over power. It just gives Sam a option to use the weapon ppl know Sam to use which is bow. If all other jobs can take advantage of RR why can't we. I'm not sad about RR or anyother atma Sam can't take advantage of. Through all the updates I've kept my Sam fully upgraded 90 emp and all awaiting the 95 version. I'm doing mnk hands emp but I rather do the bow and put it on Sam but I can't. I remimber the days seeing relic GK and Bow and the only thing I can think of is that Sam is a real SAM. I want to have that in emp. Why wouldn't y'all?

[Matayo]

And it's not butthurt. I just see other jobs that's known to use other weapons can use atleast 2 emp weapons. And it only seem right Sam with GK and bow. As far as being over powered lol most SAMs get beat over and over.

[hiko]

Colenzo is right. SAM has been getting a lot of attention lately, and people are already complaining we are overpowered. I think making SAM unable to use the EMP bow is just their way of keeping a balance. I'm not very butthurt over it haha.
really? the only attention sam got since abyssea is that masamune is probably the easiest/fastest emp to do(read need less KI to pop dropers)
no fudo/relic sam are low in DD hierachy,
sam are unable to aoe farm, dont have lot of !! WS, have useless emp set bonus (stop boosting zanshin )

idk if gandiva sam would be above ukon war, sam win in ws speed, loose in mele dmg (no ODD, no retaliation) have less crit dmg+ , depend on how much sam jishnu's do

[Matayo]

Thank you Hiko. I'm like what attention Sam Ben getting lol. LikeI say it would be fair to give us the option of the bow. Everyone nows that fudo does trash aginst high defense mobs. How can you be happy not having another option and thought would be a great one. Just imagine "damn fudo's not doing anything to this nm. Ok stand back". BOOM start busing shots like a real Sam would do in the old days lol

[Ramenuzumaki]

I'm just saying from experience on my server, and seeing some of the things SAM do here. I also hear tons of complaints about how sam gets this, and that, and how SE is now starting to favour SAM over other jobs, so hey to each their own. I dont see a need to have all access to all this other stuff. It's just not needed. We do fine with what we have, and thats all that really matters. We dont need to see another job like war that can use every single weapon in the game pretty much. Next youll be crying because we cant use NIN Katana. Technically they are just small GK so why not? Same style of weapon just held differently. Samurai would normally carry a Katana, Wakizashi [the nin KT], and a tanto, so why cant we use the NIN only weapon, and they can use the GK? Why? because thats how SE wants it, and thats how its going to be.

@Matayo: It's spelt "Been" not "Ben," and there is an edit button; use it. Busting shots like a real Samurai in the old days? Samurai would fire a volley or two, if that. They rely on their katana. Their sword is their soul. Same reason why they never used firearms is it dishonours them. Yes they did use Yumi, however, they prefered to use their katana over all other means. To fight in honourable combat. To die by the sword; their own, or their enemies.

[Karumac]

Real samurai were horseback archers.

[Mirage]

Because they can use the relic bow

why can't war use ochain? :(((

[Matayo]

Ben or been you get the point and what times ate you talking about 2008?

[Frost]

One if the issues I see is there are no selective paths, job-wise, on any of the Magian trials. In order to do this, there'd either have to be 2 different sets of Bows, or adding Sam to ALL of the trials. Which means not only can a Sam get say an Empyrean bow, but one with a massive STR bonus as well. And while, as a Sam, I am not against that idea, I can also see it's very imbalanced.

Please note the same issue exists for any job that uses ranged weapons as well, but in inverse: Cor can't use Daggers, Rng can't use either daggers or axes, etc.

[NotAzure]

I'm just saying from experience on my server, and seeing some of the things SAM do here. I also hear tons of complaints about how sam gets this, and that, and how SE is now starting to favour SAM over other jobs, so hey to each their own. I dont see a need to have all access to all this other stuff. It's just not needed. We do fine with what we have, and thats all that really matters. We dont need to see another job like war that can use every single weapon in the game pretty much. Next youll be crying because we cant use NIN Katana. Technically they are just small GK so why not? Same style of weapon just held differently. Samurai would normally carry a Katana, Wakizashi [the nin KT], and a tanto, so why cant we use the NIN only weapon, and they can use the GK? Why? because thats how SE wants it, and thats how its going to be.

@Matayo: It's spelt "Been" not "Ben," and there is an edit button; use it. Busting shots like a real Samurai in the old days? Samurai would fire a volley or two, if that. They rely on their katana. Their sword is their soul. Same reason why they never used firearms is it dishonours them. Yes they did use Yumi, however, they prefered to use their katana over all other means. To fight in honourable combat. To die by the sword; their own, or their enemies.

I'm having honest trouble not calling you a troll here.

If you're a troll, you're amazing. I'm so irritated by the fallacy of this statement that I am having difficulty concisely working through everything that's wrong. If you're not a troll...

Well man, you need to go learn some Japanese history and not just read the romances.

[Crazze]

Sorry I am a RNG and a SAM so having the bow and being able to use it on both jobs would be nice but meh. If you really just want a good bow for SAM get the relic and stop your whining. Yea yea still wouldn't have a reason to use RR but big whoop at least you would have your "high damage bow" that you want so badly for your SAM.

And that way instead of wasting a atma slot on RR you could use it for an atma that would increase fudo and namas arrow.

[Delvish]

I actually retired Samurai because SE let our archery ability go by the wayside. I loved going to various endgame events as SAM/RNG75 and still have most of my gear for it. The difference in skill anymore though for SAM archery is staggering, and would be a waste of time. That, and the best bow we can get can be bought off the AH. Empyrean bow, meh. I can understand keeping it RNG exclusive. But at the very least let us trial our bows or give us more incentive to SAM/RNG other than the Kote (which were nice, thank you, but no valid means of using it). If SAM/RNG seems viable again, only then will I look at bringing myself out of retirement.

[hiko]

Sorry I am a RNG and a SAM so having the bow and being able to use it on both jobs would be nice but meh. If you really just want a good bow for SAM get the relic and stop your whining. Yea yea still wouldn't have a reason to use RR but big whoop at least you would have your "high damage bow" that you want so badly for your SAM.

And that way instead of wasting a atma slot on RR you could use it for an atma that would increase fudo and namas arrow.

agree on the yoichi part, but dont think masa/yoichi to be best combo, multihit/yoichi with a build allowing to namas every 1-2 round should be better,

[Matayo]

Yes that's the way it was played. Well I like the idea of them letting sam do bow trials. And to everyone I'm not "whining" I have nothing to cry about don't misunderstand. My Sam is complete untill the 95 update. That's the main reason I'm bringing this up cause I want to do different things with my Sam. And it's like they give us these AF3 hands that's not overall use at all. So I wana know if not the emp bow where is atleast a knew bow. I just wanted the emp bow cause it's powerful has it's own ws and Sam was able to use relic so why not emp. That's goes the same for all jobs that's not the same as relic weapon line up

[Taint]

Yes that's the way it was played. Well I like the idea of them letting sam do bow trials. And to everyone I'm not "whining" I have nothing to cry about don't misunderstand. My Sam is complete untill the 95 update. That's the main reason I'm bringing this up cause I want to do different things with my Sam. And it's like they give us these AF3 hands that's not overall use at all. So I wana know if not the emp bow where is atleast a knew bow. I just wanted the emp bow cause it's powerful has it's own ws and Sam was able to use relic so why not emp. That's goes the same for all jobs that's not the same as relic weapon line up


If SAM could use EmpBow, you wouldn't need Masamune. You would be spamming JR with Soboro or the 1-5 PA. If SE steps up to the plate with Relics, Yoichi SAM could make a come back.

[Superchicken]

If SAM could use EmpBow, you wouldn't need Masamune. You would be spamming JR with Soboro or the 1-5 PA. If SE steps up to the plate with Relics, Yoichi SAM could make a come back.

agree. I have masamune and gandiva and yeah if sam could use gandiva you'd never use fudo again. Jishnu's Radiance SPANKS fudo

[Rambus]

Colenzo is right. SAM has been getting a lot of attention lately, and people are already complaining we are overpowered. I think making SAM unable to use the EMP bow is just their way of keeping a balance. I'm not very butthurt over it haha.

Are you saying relic weapons should be weak then?

but yeah i dont know about this issue, If i take a stance that relic weapons should be the best weapons then sam should be able to use the emp bow if they can use the relic bow.


If SAM could use EmpBow, you wouldn't need Masamune. You would be spamming JR with Soboro or the 1-5 PA. If SE steps up to the plate with Relics, Yoichi SAM could make a come back.

like that ^ ya

Unkai kote +2 is a great piece of gear for a range ws macro like others said, 10 str, 10 agi, 12 Racc and 12 Rattak is huge.

[Shogun]

@Matayo: It's spelt "Been" not "Ben," and there is an edit button; use it. Busting shots like a real Samurai in the old days? Samurai would fire a volley or two, if that. They rely on their katana. Their sword is their soul. Same reason why they never used firearms is it dishonours them. Yes they did use Yumi, however, they prefered to use their katana over all other means. To fight in honourable combat. To die by the sword; their own, or their enemies.

You must be British using irregular forms of english to correct Matayo's spelling errors. (Spelt, Dishonour) And FYI real Samurai were MASTER Archers. So how can you be DISHONORED (used US regular there^^) by something you spent years mastering?

[Jomen]

I noticed they added a harp and another instrument for bard for tom. As well as a crazy shield for PLD. So I'm betting we'll end up getting a bow just for us to make up for the loss of the crazy empyrean bow. And as for overpowered? Nah, it's about time square started showing us some more love.

~Jo

[Corres]

why can't rng use the empyrean GK?

SE what the hell please make that happen.
no wait, that's not good...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It would be pretty sweet, but I think that would be really over powered lol.No more so when people dual wielding +9stat.

[Raka]

Tenzen: Lawl, I are unique~! <333

I wouldn't mind being able to use Empyrean Bow on Samurai, but happy enough with Fudo already.
As mentioned in an earlier post, it would require a whole new path in Bows or allow Samurai to have access to all of the Magian Bows currently available.

[Raksha]

Tenzen: Lawl, I are unique~! <333

I wouldn't mind being able to use Empyrean Bow on Samurai, but happy enough with Fudo already.
As mentioned in an earlier post, it would require a whole new path in Bows or allow Samurai to have access to all of the Magian Bows currently available.

It wouldn't require a whole new path, they could just modify the existing one, and it wouldn't require SAM getting all of the others, because look at the Emp Staff, the base is usable by whm/blm/rdm/brd/smn/sch, but the first trial you do restricts it to blm/smn/sch only.

Not that I'm endorsing giving SAM emp bow or anything.