Update Notes, can you release them soon?

[Korpg]

So we can have a different topic to talk about please?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You mean the update un Augtember?

[Korpg]

Yeah.white text

[Urteil]

You mean the update un Augtember?

Augnuary. :|

[Panthera]

That's kind of the point though. We're not even talking about the game anymore. We're talking about just paying for the game--or no longer paying for the game.

It's just weird. People don't just disagree about how the game should and should not be--they do battle over it. "This job is too powerful!" "That job is not powerful enough!" "Give us more Abyssea!!" "No more Abyssea please!!" "Thx for the Jeanvirgaud adjustment!!!" "Leave Jeanvirgaud alone!!!" People argue about this game with such fervor that it's almost like a religion--or conflicting religions.

And yet never before has the playerbase been as unified as it is now. Are there those who, how shall I say, defend those who take advantage of them? Of course there are; there always will be people like that; it's a calculated gambit. At a glance, I'm saying they're a minority. Most aren't just saying they're upset; they're putting it all on the line--demanding more payment options or quitting for good. That kind of ultimatum has been said at game adjustments from minor to overhaul; some are just empty threats, and yet here we are at consolidated servers. Now we're talking giving our credit card information to BBB "F" rated companies, being overcharged, and paying 3rd parties fees just for paying for the game, while Japanese customers are put through no such trials. There's no precedent to say what's going to happen.

The OP and I have not seen eye-to-eye on discussions about the game itself, yet we've both made threads (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/12162-Will-there-be-a-mini-expansion-or-a-full-expansion-and-why-it-matters-right-now.) about where this is going. Just give us more payment options, so we can all put this ugly incident behind us, so we can go back to hating each other again. I find all this agreement extremely disagreeable.

Should SE nerf blah blah blah? or does it even matter anymore.

[Ravenmore]

Really shouldn't go by anything the BBB scores. A local buy here pay here lemon car lot were I live was a member and had a B from them. Thats after he been fined for using saw dust and banana peels to quiet valve tapping and transmission slipping.

Not saying C&B might not be a steaming pile but so is the BBB. Right now though would be a good time to pull a wag the dog.

[Panthera]

BBB doesn't mean a company is perfect. BUt it does mean they do well considering how much business they do, as opposed to a successful fraud.

Even without BBB, there's negative reviews out there of both companies SE has as bed-mates.

Frankly, I don't see how FFXI can survive without the current payment plans undergoing significant modification to what they have planned.

On topic, I see the OP's point. The sooner we see an announcement about payments, the sooner we can start killing each other about the game itself. But in a way, talking about whatever wine and circuses they have planned merely diverts us from what and how we must pay for such festivities.

[Leonlionheart]

SE doesn't really know how to shift publicity.

Ask a President of the United States, you need to do something GOOD after doing something bad.

Then the bad thing practically goes away.

[Ravenmore]

Outside of BBB being crap that if your a member and pay thier fees the rating matters very little I don't have any right to complain. Its only a 5 cent increase for me and in my postion still dollar for dollar the best entertainment option I have even if I didn't have the 2 mules.

[Leonlionheart]

Actually I take back my previous comment. They kind of DID try this, giving information about SAM and SCH in the Job Manifesto Discussion thread.

[Puck]

Wow, not surprised to see that the point of all this discussion was lost on Korpg.

People who are facing the very real possibility of never playing playing again due to the billing changes aren't gonna give 2 sh*ts about new update info.

[Keyln]

Well, we'll get the update notes in time for Swinter!

[Aver]

You said swinter... I read swindle.

This is where my mind is when I think of FFXI at the moment. Not a great place to be.

Oh well, about those notes!

[Rosina]

for all you guys know those comments are not even from customers just people who just troll. ffxiv had a well lets say daja vu. But people didn't say shady, they didn't know whst click and buy was. And held patitions for at least a mnth on the forums. Which is why I'm sorta upset right now I got to deal with this a second time "yahh.~~~~"

I hope things cool down soon. And go back to normal I just want to reconnect with my mates from years pastr and re learn the game. All this rage is making it hard to even post anything. People go into threads just to insult the poster for not raging with them.

anyway, I hope SE lets rdm melee a bit better. It a shame rdm was always a melee caster. : /

[Puck]

^ Trolltastic transformations.

[Aver]

Oh god, derp to the nth degree.

You must link a character to post on these forums. You must pay for a character. Therefore, you are a customer.

Logic. Mind=blown.

(Unless I missed the part about where someone can link an inactive character, in which case I admit being wrong.)

[Korpg]

Wow, not surprised to see that the point of all this discussion was lost on Korpg.

People who are facing the very real possibility of never playing playing again due to the billing changes aren't gonna give 2 sh*ts about new update info.

Except not many people are really going to quit, are they?

Most people who are complaining are complaining because others are. It keeps growing because of the mob mentality that most people have.

Well, now that you guys have your pitchforks, are you really going to start waving at the monster? I bet that most of you won't.

This is a minor inconvenience, for most of you, a one time only inconvenience. People who quit over this are incredibly shallow and this is just an excuse to quit. But I'm sure that most people who quit will just come back in a couple of months anyway.

[Puck]

Except not many people are really going to quit, are they?

Most people who are complaining are complaining because others are. It keeps growing because of the mob mentality that most people have.

Well, now that you guys have your pitchforks, are you really going to start waving at the monster? I bet that most of you won't.

This is a minor inconvenience, for most of you, a one time only inconvenience. People who quit over this are incredibly shallow and this is just an excuse to quit. But I'm sure that most people who quit will just come back in a couple of months anyway.

Learn to read? I never said "quit."

Maybe if you were capable of actually comprehending the problems of others you'd have seen the multitude of posts by people that DO NOT want to quit but will be forced to due to the new billing system not accepting the form of payment they've used to play the game for years and years, or other complications such as those facing EU players, or whatever other financial burden the new system brings. All because of one thing: SQUARE-ENIX TOOK AWAY THE ABILITY TO SIMPLY PAY THEM DIRECTLY.

You and the other few SE apologists need to take off your fanboy blinders and look at the very real problems facing many of your fellow players. Oh right, you don't give a crap about your fellow players. Never mind, carry on only giving a damn about yourself and your own little world. As long as it doesn't affect you, everything's perfect.

[Rosina]

^ Trolltastic transformations.

only a troll will call someone else a troll, In a troll like way. :)

Sorry I was seiing how often I can write troll in one sentence.

You clearly have no idea why I'm a bit flustered at the forums. Or seem to not want to understand me in anyway :) good luck in life ok.

[Meyi]

You mean the update un Augtember?

I laughed.


Augnuary. :|

I laughed harder.

It's funny because it's true! :D

[Dauntless]

You clearly have no idea why I'm a bit flustered at the forums. Or seem to not want to understand me in anyway
And NOW you see why EVERYONE in the forum is attacking you. You're doing to everyone else what you say we're doing to you.

[Rosina]

Puck: "You and the other few SE apologists need to take off your fanboy blinders and look at the very real problems facing many of your fellow players. Oh right, you don't give a crap about your fellow players. Never mind, carry on only giving a damn about yourself and your own little world. As long as it doesn't affect you, everything's perfect."

i know full on well what is going on here. This is not the first time i was thrown into this. I do feel sympathy for those who may not get to play anymore. But there is stuff people can do and questions to ask. No one is asking them. Simple as that. You guys are assuming you have to quit, and not asking any questions.

And all you are doing is just flinging insults at everyone who just do not enjoying what is happening on the forums. A minority is being upset about unable to pay because neither option is accepted in their area. The majorty are those who are just upset and even though they can use either or both options choosing not to.

[Korpg]

Learn to read? I never said "quit."

Because you are the only one complaining, right?



Maybe if you were capable of actually comprehending the problems of others you'd have seen the multitude of posts by people that DO NOT want to quit but will be forced to due to the new billing system not accepting the form of payment they've used to play the game for years and years, or other complications such as those facing EU players, or whatever other financial burden the new system brings. All because of one thing: SQUARE-ENIX TOOK AWAY THE ABILITY TO SIMPLY PAY THEM DIRECTLY.

You accuse me of not reading but you yourself haven't read anything. Square Enix already stated that there will be no extra charge to your bill (no hidden fees from Click and Buy) if you use them to pay for this game. The only way you will get for services outside of FFXI. You know, when you actually use Click and Buy for something else.

Yes, it sucks that SE took out our ability to pay them directly, but there must be a reason for it. Maybe they are trying to save a little money from the cost to keep a dying game up? Maybe they are having problems with International Banking Laws (which could still be a reason why JP players are able to keep paying directly thru PoL). Until they tell us, we can only speculate. Point being, they are doing this now, and complaining about it will not help you at all.


You and the other few SE apologists need to take off your fanboy blinders and look at the very real problems facing many of your fellow players. Oh right, you don't give a crap about your fellow players. Never mind, carry on only giving a damn about yourself and your own little world. As long as it doesn't affect you, everything's perfect.

SE and I never really see eye-to-eye on things, so I doubt I would call myself a fanboy. However, I can't stand the stupidity that has been happening because of this whole "OMG SE is changing the system, we all hate change and must resist it for all our might and threaten to do something we won't do anyway" scenario that we are in now. Quitting over a minor change is downright stupid, and going full ballistic mob mode like most of the people here are doing is also just as stupid.

[Korpg]

Oh, and on a side note, every tag here that has nothing to do with this thread will be deleted.

[Rosina]

And NOW you see why EVERYONE in the forum is attacking you. You're doing to everyone else what you say we're doing to you.

actually no. I do know how they feel. This is the second time I've been through this anti click and buy/crysta forum rage. FFXIV had it back in september. Here is what you do not seem to get. There is no need to insult anyone or attack anyone. Not all of us are enjoying your attitudes. And some of it is a bit uncalled for.

Trust me I know how much it sucks to not get to play ffxi because of lack of payment options. I can sypmathize with those who can't use either option. I can not sypathize with those who CAN use the options who are having poor attitudes. Anbd those are the only people I was ever talking to/about.

[Meyi]

Oh, and on a side note, every tag here that has nothing to do with this thread will be deleted.

How about every post as well? The derailing people do on this forum is astounding. I swear people just post to fight with each other. Way to go. Effective way to spend time. Just like reading them is a productive usage of time...

-sighs and slaps face-

I'd like to know when the update is though. It'd be awesome if it was in August. Then we'd all definitely get to play it before the dreaded September 1st for some. :D At least for a couple of days, yeah? Get to 95, play with new toys, then poof.

[Rosina]

the reason for the change is they are no longer really using playonline as a "network" they will only use it as a lobby to connect to the game. We were psying playonline, not really SE in a sence. Playonline was a middle man.

the way japanese set up money is much different then us and eu. they callulate yen differently then we do our money.

like buying manga is 500 yen (fake number used as an example of yen) where over here it would be $12.88 ( a fake number used as an example to show a difference)

meaning they can pay in exact ammount because of their curreceny, and how they set it up.

[Korpg]

I'd like to know when the update is though. It'd be awesome if it was in August. Then we'd all definitely get to play it before the dreaded September 1st for some. :D At least for a couple of days, yeah? Get to 95, play with new toys, then poof.

Well, the update can be in either August or September, but sooner they get the notes out, the faster the subject matter will change. Nice thing about mob mentality, when you start flashing lights against the wall, they will pounce on them like kittens.

[Korpg]

the reason for the change is they are no longer really using playonline as a "network" they will only use it as a lobby to connect to the game. We were psying playonline, not really SE in a sence. Playonline was a middle man.

the way japanese set up money is much different then us and eu. they callulate yen differently then we do our money.

like buying manga is 500 yen (fake number used as an example of yen) where over here it would be $12.88 ( a fake number used as an example to show a difference)

meaning they can pay in exact ammount because of their curreceny, and how they set it up.

That and that 3D secure is more reliable in Japan than in other countries. Much more reliable.

[scaevola]

Trust me I know how much it sucks to not get to play ffxi because of lack of payment options. I can sypmathize with those who can't use either option. I can not sypathize with those who CAN use the options who are having poor attitudes. Anbd those are the only people I was ever talking to/about.


Wow, God forbid somebody get pissed off at something on somebody else's behalf!

[Rosina]

i hope augest is for both ffxi and ffxiv patches :) ffxiv is getting chocobo finaly in 1.19 (yay) I just hope they list the actual job changes. All they list was "we might do this or this, or this and this"

nothing in that listing was really concrete.

[Puck]

Because you are the only one complaining, right?
Reading comprehension failure again. You're pretty bad at reading, aren't you?
Read my post again:

People who are facing the very real possibility of never playing playing again due to the billing changes aren't gonna give 2 sh*ts about new update info.
I never said anything about myself. In fact, I'm in no such position. I simply pointed out that a growing number of PEOPLE (plural, you see) are more concerned with the fact that they may possibly never be able to play again due to circumstances beyond their control.
When I said "I never said 'quit'" it was because somehow you took that statement and turned it into "people are quitting over this, that's a bad reason to quit, crybabies, blah blah blah," to paraphrase what you said.

Seriously, focus. Because you're arguing about things that are not even relevant to my statements.

You accuse me of not reading but you yourself haven't read anything. Square Enix already stated that there will be no extra charge to your bill (no hidden fees from Click and Buy) if you use them to pay for this game. The only way you will get for services outside of FFXI. You know, when you actually use Click and Buy for something else.
Again. This is not the issue. What you said is irrelevant.

This is not what's forcing many people to quit. You're blind to this because you're not actually reading any of the anecdotes people are sharing about their personal circumstances and why their banks will not let them use Click and Buy, their form of payment is not accepted by Click and Buy, it isn't accepted in their region when previously they had no problems paying SE directly, etc.

For proof of your indifference toward your fellow player look no further than this thread and your reasons for starting it. It's essentially: "Release some update notes so I don't have to hear these people whine about their problems." Look around. Actually give a damn.

[Korpg]

Wow, Puck, sarcasm really fails on you.

Good for you, you won't quit because you aren't from that list of countries Click and Buy won't accept transactions from. Which means for those who are from a country on that list, there is no other method of payment....oh wait (in case you missed it, this is sarcasm again).

People who are against this have stated that the reason why they are mad is the principle of the change. That is still a weak excuse because the change is going to happen, and the principle of the change is beyond them. We don't know why they are changing, but we can all agree that this is not for malicious intent. They didn't choose Click and Buy because it has a list of countries that they agree should not play this game, they choose Click and Buy because it offered the least amount of issues with the least amount of cost....most likely. I'm not sure why they choose Click and Buy over Paypal.

Why should I morn people who are complaining over nothing really? Most of the people here complaining are just jumping in the mob as it grows.

[Panthera]

It's impossible to tell an accidental troll from the genuine article. An excess of misspellings and contentions without foundations may be the indication of a lack of education, or an inability to benefit from an education. Whether such trolling is calculated stupidity or genuine mental lurching is neither here nor there. No amount of reason will sway a deeply held conviction, whether it's genuinely felt or not. While they have the right to express their views, we are not obliged to listen. There comes a point when you've heard enough, and the game is over. I have. The ignore list was created for a reason. You know who I'm talking about. Shame too, it was such a cool sig.

On topic, payment issues not withstanding, I'd like to see what we're gonna be paying for. Even if they payments are made easier, will the content be worth it?

I heard awhile back about an all-in-one instrument for bard through Synergy. I'm hoping we'll see it at last.

[Korpg]

It's impossible to tell an accidental troll from the genuine article. An excess of misspellings and contentions without foundations may be the indication of a lack of education, or an inability to benefit from an education. Whether such trolling is calculated stupidity or genuine mental lurching is neither here nor there. No amount of reason will sway a deeply held conviction, whether it's genuinely felt or not. While they have the right to express their views, we are not obliged to listen. There comes a point when you've heard enough, and the game is over. I have. The ignore list was created for a reason. You know who I'm talking about. Shame too, it was such a cool sig.


...ok, what is the point of this post, and why did you post it here?

[Panthera]

...ok, what is the point of this post, and why did you post it here?I wasn't referring to you (not on this anyway :P )

I don't want to name names, but someone here is taking it upon themselves to stick up for SE, and they're doing it badly. Worse yet, they're spamming it. It just goes on and on, and I'm tired of hearing it. I can ignore list the person in question, but people are feeding the trolls--whether they intend to be trolling or not. The troll doesn't work for SE, and their opinion doesn't matter more than anyone elses. It's a vocal minority of one that's controlling the conversation. The way to take back control is to /ignore them. As we all know, the only way to win with a troll is to not play.

Don't forget, I'm on your side on this one! What the heck are these vague daily rewards they keep talking about? I'm all for increasing the level caps, it helps playability, but what kind of content is there going to be for when we hit 75?

[Korpg]

I wasn't referring to you (not on this anyway :P )

I don't want to name names, but someone here is taking it upon themselves to stick up for SE, and they're doing it badly. Worse yet, they're spamming it. It just goes on and on, and I'm tired of hearing it. I can ignore list the person in question, but people are feeding the trolls--whether they intend to be trolling or not. The troll doesn't work for SE, and their opinion doesn't matter more than anyone elses. It's a vocal minority of one that's controlling the conversation. The way to take back control is to /ignore them. As we all know, the only way to win with a troll is to not play.

Don't forget, I'm on your side on this one! What the heck are these vague daily rewards they keep talking about? I'm all for increasing the level caps, it helps playability, but what kind of content is there going to be for when we hit 75?

I figured you weren't talking about me, but still.

Anyway, I hope they announce something soon. They already said that they will be reviewing their new payment options to satisfy the people screaming about it, so I just still want something else to talk about.