Reason for the payment system change (Found it!)

[Inafking]

On March 1, 2011, Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) acquired Playspan Inc. Media inquiries may be directed to globalmedia@visa.com; investor relations questions may be directed to ir@visa.com.

Old system ain't coming back. I hope they just work out a better deal with paypal. To hell with Visa and all world banker scum.

[Korpg]

Old system ain't coming back. I hope they just work out a better deal with paypal. To hell with Visa and all world banker scum.

Ok, how does this tie into SE and ClickandBuy?

[Puck]

Ok I'll bite, explain how that's relevant to any of what everyone's upset about? PlaySpan has nothing to do with the fact that everyone that wants to pay monthly with a CC is being forced to use ClickandBuy.

[Inafking]

Visa was in charge of the old system. Visa wanted Square to switch over to their newly acquired company. Square rushed to find a second option that would be more convenient for players and found Click&Cry.

[Korpg]

You sure about this? Sounds a lot like speculation to me.

[Inafking]

When it comes to bad stuff happening, World Bankers are always behind it. Believe that.

[Korpg]

When it comes to bad stuff happening, World Bankers are always behind it. Believe that.

Yeah, because they always want to take your money...oh wai...

[Inafking]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_030402_palast.html

If you don't "believe that". Got plenty more links to stories just like it.

[Kraggy]

Irrelevant events are irrelevant.

[Korpg]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_030402_palast.html

If you don't "believe that". Got plenty more links to stories just like it.

I read it, and I have to say, you were really taken into those stories, weren't you?

Course, if you only look at one point of view, you will start believing in that point of view, won't you?

[Puck]

This guy probably believes in the Illuminati controlling the world, Roswell cover-up, fake moon landing, Ghost Hunters actually finding ghosts, etc., etc.

[Romanova]

Old system ain't coming back. I hope they just work out a better deal with paypal. To hell with Visa and all world banker scum.

ok and that's dated with march 2011, but se created this "new" system over a year ago..soo...this thread is to try to prove SE sees the future?

[Kojo]

This guy probably believes in the Illuminati controlling the world, Roswell cover-up, fake moon landing, Ghost Hunters actually finding ghosts, etc., etc.

Wait, the Illuminati aren't behind this change?

[Puck]

I forgot to mention that he also believes it's not butter.

[Xellith]

I bet he likes Marmite too...

[Chamaan]

Tinfoil hat like crazy on this whole thread.

Reminds me of this one Australian guy in our LS a few years back. Who constantly called the US players gullible sheep because Bush was our president at the time. And when we asked him to enlighten us about what he meant when he said we should educate ourselves like the rest of the world, who knew more about our country than we did, he pointed as Loose Change as the gospel of 9/11.

Also he was pretty racist.

[Puck]

Who constantly called the US players gullible sheep because Bush was our president at the time.
The second anyone refers to other people as "sheep" or "sheeple" they lose all credibility. That's like writing "I'm SO much smarter than everyone else" on your own face with a thick permanent red marker then attempting to hold an intelligent conversation.

[Panthera]

Crab people! Crab people!

[Kagato]

ITT: "I can't disprove this but the OP must me WRONG!"

[Romanova]

ITT: "I can't disprove this but the OP must me WRONG!"

I already did disprove it by saying his quote states they were bought in march 2011. This whole payment/management system with crysta/CnB was made over a year ago.

[davidwbean]

if i had to guess to why we have to use click n buy is because SE set up an agreement with them for FFXIV since no one is paying for FFXIV atm SE needs to start putting money into click n buy's accounts or run the risk of having to go to court over a breach in contract or maybe lose them as a partner in either case atm were stuck with it

[Karbuncle]

This guy probably believes in the Illuminati controlling the world, Roswell cover-up, fake moon landing, Ghost Hunters actually finding ghosts, etc., etc.

I believe those two!

You know why?

http://mainthings.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/x-files-believe11.jpg

Edit: Also Destination Truth.

[Babygyrl]

it does not matter weather visa acquires play span, there are TONS of companies that will help with direct billing that involves all cards..

[Swords]

I'd have to agree with david, it really sounds more like some contractual agreement or security breach with PoL or something else. I highly doubt SE is changing this because they want too, and considering how sudden all this is they were probably forced too do it.

[Romanova]

and considering how sudden all this is they were probably forced too do it.

...how many times does this need to be said...

We know for a fact ffxi was planned to be switched to this system for a year now. It is the same system they initially set up for 14 with the intent to bring ffxi over so they had them all on the same system. This isn't a "they were suddenly forced to".

It is more likely either a. they are getting ready for ff14 to go to p2p and wanted to get them on the same system beforehand (since that was the original intent), or b. they put it off while trying to fix 14 since it wasn't going p2p right away, and they just now got around to doing it.

There could be other reasons for the timing, but this was a planned thing for quite some time, not a rushed job.

[Alhanelem]

Ok I'll bite, explain how that's relevant to any of what everyone's upset about? PlaySpan has nothing to do with the fact that everyone that wants to pay monthly with a CC is being forced to use ClickandBuy.
The community team recently posted to note that the 3.9% fee does not apply to payment collection for Square Enix.

This settles my primary reservation with C&B (though there are other reservations, such as lack of reasnoable customer service)


and considering how sudden all this is they were probably forced too do it.
Sudden? People can hate cilck and buy, that's fine with me, but SE was very up front about this change and notified us WELL in advance. There are a lot of things to criticize SE for, but lack of notificaiton is not one of them.

[Panthera]

I believe those two!

You know why?

http://mainthings.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/x-files-believe11.jpg

Edit: Also Destination Truth.

The Truth is Out There.
Trust No One.

[Puck]

The community team recently posted to note that the 3.9% fee does not apply to payment collection for Square Enix.

This settles my primary reservation with C&B (though there are other reservations, such as lack of reasnoable customer service)


Sudden? People can hate cilck and buy, that's fine with me, but SE was very up front about this change and notified us WELL in advance. There are a lot of things to criticize SE for, but lack of notificaiton is not one of them.

Did you mean to quote me? Because that has pretty much nothing to do with what I was saying. I was asking the OP to explain why his nutty theory has anything to do with ClickandBuy.

The OP thinks there's a conspiracy caused by Visa's acquisition of PlaySpan which is what he thinks is the root of this whole billing change scenario, when that has nothing to do with ClickandBuy at all. Or anything else for that matter. The only reason it's relevant is because the spacemen living in the OP's air conditioner told him that it's relevant.

[RAIST]

it's all a moot point anyway...JP regions are able to continue business as usual, as well as getting access to the additional payment methods while everyone else is being forced to completely restructure. All of this COULD and SHOULD have been idone consistently across the board. I could easily rage on for probly 3 pages on this, but instead, just gonna link the wall of text I posted on it in another thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/12178-Formal-petition-Change-the-billing-method-or-lose-your-playerbase.?p=157135&viewfull=1#post157135

[RAIST]

for those that haven't seen it yet (or otherwise forgot), here is the JP help page for the transfer, through Google Translate:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&rurl=translate.google.com&u=http://www.playonline.com/home/polshift/help.html&usg=ALkJrhi6FKw6G58hZjRe31aAKy-SQVuVrw

Scroll down to section 7. Notice it is basically to select payment method. It's graphics so not translated, but they get option for CC or Crysta--note it is just a standard MC/VISA logo. Now go to section 8b:If you choose a credit card. Note that they can put their CC information directly in, and also note the 3DS and VbV logos in the lower panel. Also note the text under those graphics that did translate:

「クレジットカード」「Crysta」から利用されるお支払方法を選択し、「次へ」をクリックしてください。 "Credit card" "Crysta" and select the payment method used by "Next" Please click on.

※ ※ 「クレジットカード」は、Visa、MasterCardの本人認証サービス（3Dセキュア）に対応したカードがご利用いただけます。 "Credit Card", Visa, personal authentication services for MasterCard (3D Secure) available card with.

※ ※ 「Crysta」はVisa、MasterCard、JCBの本人認証サービス（3Dセキュア）に対応したクレジットカード、およびウェブマネーでチャージすることができます。 "Crysta" are Visa, MasterCard, personal authentication services for JCB (3D secure) credit card with you and to charge money on the web.



クレジットカード番号、有効期限、セキュリティコードを入力し「次へ」をクリックしてください。 Credit card number, expiration date, security code, enter the "Next" please click on the.
Essentially, they get to continue doing what we are doing now in addition to using Crysta.


Now, contrast that to what happens in the NA version:
http://www.playonline.com/homeus/polshift/help.html

At step 7, you get to choose either Crysta or Credit/Debit Card via Click and Buy--note that this step shows the C&B logo, not the generic Visa/MC like on the JP page. Now look at step 8b. You have to go through Click and Buy--no direct processing for 3DS or VbV cards.

[Sp1cyryan]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_030402_palast.html

If you don't "believe that". Got plenty more links to stories just like it.

Watch out! Get the conspiracy boots ready to jump around in!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

They never had to fake the moon landing, just fake the people who were on it. ^^

[Alhanelem]

In a few days, we'll see if any poop hits the fan with people who signed up for credit card via C&B.

Personally, I'm willing to give them a chance for this to not turn out as bad as people are suggesting it will. If I DO run into problems though, I'll be ready to raise hell.

[RAIST]

It's already kinda started hitting the fan...or have you not read the posts about people who's cards/banks are flat out blocking C&B when they try to set it up? Think there was one poster in Norway or something that also couldn't get Crysta...yet, they've been able to get along with 3DS/VbV via POL.

[Korpg]

It's already kinda started hitting the fan...or have you not read the posts about people who's cards/banks are flat out blocking C&B when they try to set it up? Think there was one poster in Norway or something that also couldn't get Crysta...yet, they've been able to get along with 3DS/VbV via POL.

Because Click and Buy is a scam company....right?

Sure, you can come to that conclusion if you only read the titles of the searches, but if you actually read the articles, you will see that scams happen with Click and Buy as a buffer. The only thing that people have a real problem with Click and Buy is customer service. Which the company will have to fix themselves.

Blaming Click and Buy for someone running a scam that you fell for and use them as a payment method is the same, the exact same as blaming FedEx for bringing you bad news. Are you going to sue FedEx for bringing you bad news? Do you think you will win?

[scaevola]

GUYS IF YOU TAKE THE TOTAL DAMAGE OF THE FOURTH, SEVENTH, AND TWENTY-SIXTH BREW HITS YOU USE TO KILL SHINRYU ON HITLER'S BIRTHDAY IT WILL SPELL BILDERBERG GROUP IN HEXIDECIMAL

[RAIST]

Because Click and Buy is a scam company....right?

Sure, you can come to that conclusion if you only read the titles of the searches, but if you actually read the articles, you will see that scams happen with Click and Buy as a buffer. The only thing that people have a real problem with Click and Buy is customer service. Which the company will have to fix themselves.


Blaming Click and Buy for someone running a scam that you fell for and use them as a payment method is the same, the exact same as blaming FedEx for bringing you bad news. Are you going to sue FedEx for bringing you bad news? Do you think you will win?

Think you meant to quote someone else. I never mentioned searching anything, nor articles declaring it was a scam. I was talking about one of several posters on THIS forum in recent threads who have been told by their financial institutions that they are blocking C&B, and that there are some that ALSO can't use crysta as SE is cock-blocking them. I found this particular user's post last night and posted a link to it. They were from New Zealand. There have been a couple others posting since then as well in the Australia area having issues with not being able to make payment arrangements. This isn't some random hit froma google search from 2009. These are REAL people with REAL circumstances happening NOW since this change was FORCED on us by SE, but NOT forced on the JP Region.

Reading is knowledge, knowledge is power.

[RAIST]

And... here is another reason NOT to use C&B. A snag posted on another forum. Catwho, a US player (1 state away from me, and uses the same bank I do) used C&B and got slapped with a fee from his bank because the new payment method is no longer using a US based bank and is being FORCED to go through an international vendor now:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1311755124317849273&h=50&p=5#219


Well, just hit my first snag. My bank charged me an extra 60 cents for buying $20 worth of Crysta via Click and Buy, calling it an international transaction. I had no warning from Click and Buy or from SE that there would be the extra charge.

[Inafking]

I read it, and I have to say, you were really taken into those stories, weren't you?

There are a bunch more just like them

http://www.johnperkins.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2pLo8JV5Y

But if you really want some tin foil hat stuff to keep you up at night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M72zVuBNpEA

Any time you see Carter and Nixon in the same place, you KNOW there is trouble.

[Inafking]

ok and that's dated with march 2011, but se created this "new" system over a year ago

For XIV, not XI. XI didn't have to make a new system because they were grandfathered in. Until Visa decided to pull the rug out.

[Romanova]

For XIV, not XI. XI didn't have to make a new system because they were grandfathered in. Until Visa decided to pull the rug out.

Wrong. I've become a broken record but SE stated back when XIV was released they had plans to put FFXI there. Think about it logically. They wanted both games on the same system because there was going to be a discount for playing both. And it only makes sense to have all their games paid for on the same system. Other companies do it, it makes complete sense from a company standpoint to have all their billing come from the same source.

They probably didn't switch it right away because they had to set that plan aside while they focused on more important things, on top of FFXIV not going p2p right away so there was nothing to make them do it right away.

I've been saying for a few months now these major patches they've been doing for 14 make it seem like their goal was to fix it within the year and try to set it to p2p after that year was over. September is coming close (making it 1 year since they were supposed to have it go p2p). More than likely the real reason for the change now was to get ready for when 14 goes p2p so they have everything already on the same system. (with a few months of getting kinks out)

We are the guinea pigs. SE wants us to get everything sorted out before 14 hits p2p because they want as little issues with 14 as possible considering it's bad launch last year.