balance

[Concerned4FFxi]

Just a few thoughts here, before you start i realise SE that i might be upset in my speach and my attitude might turn you off from taking to heart what i'm saying, but please listen to what im saying (im upset because i feel you get alot of good advice here and some you just throw out the window becuase you wanna do your way and not listen to some sound advice. I admit Im not you guys SE and and therefore I DONT know what you guys are planning or maybe some deeper connection that im missing because im not at your level, but hear me brothers of vanadiel)

WHM-
When SE gave everybody and there sister protect V/Shell V. you left a big whole in my whm. Yes, my merited stuff is better, but really? The way it is now the only differenece between shellV and shellraV is merits. I'd feel even more ripped off if at 99 whm doesnt get an ability or new merit that gives them an increase to all shell/protect spells, thereby restoring the difference a whm's protectra/shreallraV has compared to other jobs of the same tier spell. I'd say the increase to all shell/protect because if whm gets shrellra/protectraVI, what about the 75 merits to tier 5? Unless all merits at 75 for shrellra/protectra count towards a tier 6 merit at 99 cap, in addition to the merits/ability at 99. Now i wanna throw this in quick because everyone says they want cure5 for sch/rdm and this too will kill whm. Whm does nothing, nothing but heal and status removal/buff. Nobody can argue that because whm gets cure6 its ok to give others cure5 because cure6 is not as effecient as cure5 (at least not at 90) it seems to only give 150% the cure as cure5 at 200% the cost of cure5. Im capped healing and cure gear so im seeing the results and I rarely use cure6 outside abyssea because my cure5 heals for around 1100 and most the time in a pt theres a rdm helping to cure and if i use cure6 ill waste mp cause its not as good as cure5 and the rdm will cast cure4 also so why use cure6. Not to mention 1100hp cured outside abyssea is 75% of most dd/tanking jobs hp max so right there unless the guy your curing is at 1hp whats the point of cure6 really besides abyssea cure5/6 spam.

SAM-
WOW (not world of warcraft). Before this update SAM was already the best DD outside abyssea, period. Now, lol, a pearl SAM can out damage my empyrean2/almace blu. Really? I have a friend who took his SAM before update and dualboxed the last two bcnm for the wings of the goddess earring. Now he's well geared 90empyrean/relic/+2/yada/yada, but even average SAM can destroy all other jobs now. Power check dude, slow down please, hello SE, in one ear out the other i know you think its great but come on your going to the bathroom on all the other jobs where's the balance you claim to crave.

COR-
Ok. Cor is similiar to brd, i get that. Different buffs and stuff sure. But COR can do decent damage with their abilities and ws, so why would you give them a 3rd roll when brd has to have an empyrean to get there 3rd? I like COR more than BRD, but that doesnt mean im willing to sacrifice balance just so that a favorite job of mine can run loose all of vanadiel.

DNC-
Regain? I know its 99 cap but im tired of seeing the same thing passed on to the next job. Cor gets regain, oh lets give it to DNC. Again, another over powered job getting another job's ability. Lets just give SMN the PLD's 2hr ability for the whole pt and call it a day, you can just make it an avatar like odin and say it's alex's cousin. As insane as this sounds, in this author's opinion so does some of the changes that are being discussed.

[StingRay104]

You forgot War is the most overpowered DD out there atm, even worst than sam. Plus Bst gets to be smn.

[Ravenmore]

Your blu mage sucks if your getting outdamged by a gimp sam. In fact Same is at the bottom of the pole latey. And much of cor rolls are not as impressive as they used to be and were never a deal breaker as not having a brd outside of AV zergs. Really have you not even tried you new 2hour yet, and in abyssea Almace should wipe the floor with pearl sams, if a great gear sam can bet you thats one thing. Your also talking about him DBing those fights now AT 90 they were made for 75 cap, fyi thier not that hard.

[Concerned4FFxi]

^:^ im not comparing 2hr here im talking about self-sc light and i used blu as an example. Also, the wotg fight came after the 90 cap dude i said he db the last two bcnm i wasnt talking about the first 30 or so missions. Its not a 75 fight it was released after the 90 cap, reread the statement before you comment please and if you dont understand or if i mispoke ill be glad to clearify or apologize. And yea COR isnt as strong as BRD in buffs, i just said that COR can deal damage more effictive than BRD so thats why his buffs arent as good i guess but thats no reason to add another roll. Also, COR just got the added ability with an 11 roll to reroll like crazy with no side-effect. If thats not helpful then i dont know what more to ask for, giving another roll to COR is LAZY and UNBALANCED. You seem to forget all that COR can do without a third roll, i'd rather see COR rolls get a boast then get another roll. In fact, i'd rather see COR get a third roll with the roll of 11 in play and COR not get the reroll ability without penality that was just added. That would be more balanced as it would cater to the people who merited snake-eyes and fold. Like I said BRD only gets another song with acquiring one of if not the hardest empyrean to acquire. And im not talking about abyssea, please who cares about abyssea. I said outside abyssea where real stats matter, where real gear matters. And im not talking crit ws either im talking about the abilities that were added for SAM sc and how SAM was already the top dd outside abyssea before and if it werent it sure is now. I'm sorry if i was not specific enough in my orginal post, i hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

[Concerned4FFxi]

yea im not too keen on bst getting to be like smn, bst is another overpowered dd

[Zyeriis]

Your blu mage sucks if your getting outdamged by a gimp sam. In fact Sam* is at the bottom of the pole latey. And much of cor rolls are not as impressive as they used to be and were never a deal breaker as not having a brd outside of AV zergs. Really have you not even tried you new 2hour yet, and in abyssea Almace should wipe the floor with pearl sams, if a great gear sam can bet you thats one thing. Your also talking about him DBing those fights now AT 90 they were made for 75 cap, fyi thier not that hard.


Before this update SAM was already the best DD outside abyssea, period. Now, lol, a pearl SAM can out damage my empyrean2/almace blu. Really?
SAM has always been better than BLU, OUTSIDE (god forbid) of Abyssea. Also, poor reading comprehension + assumptions = foolish. Also, you've clearly never seen a good, non-wannabe-brd outside of Abyssea apparently.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Ok i've been caught red handed, lol. I exagerated about the pearl SAM to illustrate my point. But, you get the picture at least. And yes, bst getting smn like abilites is wierd and i'm not sure if i like the idea or not so we'll all just have to wait and see whats in store for the future.

[Zatias]

A big whole in your WHM? ;/

WHM gets cureskin and MDB with barspells. They also get more cure potency and cure casting time down than any of the other jobs in need of cure 5. No one is going to outcure your WHM >.>

[Lushipur]

As a career brd, Im mad too for the cor fix. Im working on the emp harp and its not right that cor get a third roll for free.

[Ravenmore]

SAM has always been better than BLU, OUTSIDE (god forbid) of Abyssea. Also, poor reading comprehension + assumptions = foolish. Also, you've clearly never seen a good, non-wannabe-brd outside of Abyssea apparently.

Your the one that didn't read. He's talking about abyssea and sam. DiD i say anything about it outside of abyssea? You can't read can you. I said nothing of brd not being useful outside of abyssa. In fact I said it was a deal breaker if you DIDN'T have 1 of them were as cor you could do with out Cor you could and only made a point to take one to reset 2hours. thats not to say you turned them away if one was open and didn't eat a BRD slot. So we both missed one and I said cor was the weaker and brd is a deal breaker ousde of abyssea for for zergs and non-zerg fights just like rdm is needed outside of abyssea for refresh 2 and back healing so on.

The whole DBing the level 75 fights could have been done on any job not just sam. Even being better then blu outside of abyssea still means its been at the bottom latey so being better outside is ok since they not really wanted for the main endgame as of now so let them have a area where they shine.

[noodles355]

If you want to talk about Balance then let's look at Warrior getting an ability to change weapon damage type, allowing them to get an increase of as much as 25% damage dealt against a lot of monsters - SE thinks this is fine.

But a 5 minute dispel as a separate ability and not linked to steal is overpowered.

[Seha]

About cor vs brd: songs don't have a long shared recast timer. Things are very different.

[Tamoa]

Any good sam has always been able to out-DD a blu outside of Abyssea. As for inside Abyssea - well, then my sam cries, it never sees any action due to lack of red procs and crit ws. The new JA hasn't changed anything, my Masamune and my sam gear is still collecting dust for the most part.

As for whm - fully merited ShellraV beats ShellV, and I can't see why you'd merit anything else in that category instead of ShellraV. Whm barspells with merits, and toss in full af3 +2 = win. Whm cure potency = win. As for CureVI, please don't argue that it's useless outside Abyssea. If it is, then use CureV. Because it sure as hell isn't useless inside Abyssea, which is still where a large chunk of this game takes place for most people.

I'm really not sure what you are complaining about to be honest.


Lets just give SMN the PLD's 2hr ability for the whole pt and call it a day, you can just make it an avatar like odin and say it's alex's cousin.

Perfect Defense says hi. Pretty much Invincible right there. In fact, it's even better because it works against all damage, not just physical damage.

[Ravenmore]

Its not about sam or blu doing more dmg. What I found bs was that almace blu getting out dmg by a full pearl sam. Though he didn't say if the sam had madamune or not. If you have a really good sam and blu the sam should win in pure damage. Really though even if they are outside of abyssea thats fine they should since thats most of what sam has going for them.

[Lushipur]

About cor vs brd: songs don't have a long shared recast timer. Things are very different.

recast of roll is not a problem...
Its rare to change song mid-fight. Usually u stack on song duration item, so u can do other duty.

[Zyeriis]

Its not about sam or blu doing more dmg. What I found bs was that almace blu getting out dmg by a full pearl sam. Though he didn't say if the sam had madamune or not. If you have a really good sam and blu the sam should win in pure damage. Really though even if they are outside of abyssea thats fine they should since thats most of what sam has going for them.
I'm almost absolutely positive that a perle SAM will beat an Almace BLU outside of abyssea. Sure, the BLU will be able to a spike damage (though you have to factor in the loss of critical rate, and thus Almace not doing nearly as much as it can in abyssea) but, it surely won't beat a skillchain spamming SAM, which is irrelevant to whether its in abyssea or not. There's a reason BLU can cure itself and SAM can't.

[Sparthos]

yea im not too keen on bst getting to be like smn, bst is another overpowered dd

You're quite the comedian.


As a career brd, Im mad too for the cor fix. Im working on the emp harp and its not right that cor get a third roll for free.

BRD is most likely getting a 3rd tier of march, has Elegy and is far more reliable in putting up buffs.

Did I also mention BRD is also the superior refresher?

[Ravenmore]

really they would be using a 6 hit at best with old one hit WS and SSC are far from reliable. If a postion were you you would be SPAMing SCs chances are your not the only one so GL getting SSC off before some one breaks it. Then you take into account that if tyhey are meleeing the mob they are weak and poss little threat so Blus dd spells would do just as well as some gimps WSs.

At best they might have 6hit assuming rajas and other easy and simple to get items even then thats assuming a lot. With thier best weapons being emp. while I have seen it doesn't mean ever gimp has one so next in line would be the tp +100 or stp GK still hard to believe they would invest in that before af3. Next in line of easy is a decent Dom GK and more likey for gimps to get a hold of.

After 75 levels of sam, blu the old way back in the day, merit parties and any other mobs you have more then one DD on at a time or Tank WSing SSCs are a crap shoot at best.

[Prothscar]

Why would a SAM be using a 6-hit "at best" when a 5-hit is so readily attainable in this day and age?

[Panthera]

Just a few thoughts here, before you start i realise SE that i might be upset in my speach and my attitude might turn you off from taking to heart what i'm saying, but please listen to what im saying (im upset because i feel you get alot of good advice here and some you just throw out the window becuase you wanna do your way and not listen to some sound advice. I admit Im not you guys SE and and therefore I DONT know what you guys are planning or maybe some deeper connection that im missing because im not at your level, but hear me brothers of vanadiel)

Dear SE,

I want you I should think than before you do so, ask your that! Don't answer second (or third for that much matter, but instead listen. Even if it doesn't,) please reasonably do so. For that much less, they say that, but don't mean it! So how could you not? That only makes sense, right?

Thx for your intention about this.

[Modoru]

Dear SE,

I want you I should think than before you do so, ask your that! Don't answer second (or third for that much matter, but instead listen. Even if it doesn't,) please reasonably do so. For that much less, they say that, but don't mean it! So how could you not? That only makes sense, right?

Thx for your intention about this.
I think my brain just melted trying to make sense out of this.