Relic Weapon 'Spharai' unable to 'proc' under certain conditions

[Laron]

Platform: PC
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Character Name: Laron
Race: Hume M
World: Phoenix
Main Job: 90 Monk
Support Job: 45 Ninja
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Steps:
1. Engage in battle with any enemy while having the relic weapon Spharai equiped (any level/trial version should suffice, though I have personally done the most testing with the level 85 version).
2. Note that 'Relic Procs,' or the hidden ability of relic weapons to deal between two and three times normal damage (depending on the weapon in question, Spharai has a 3x multiplier in this case), are only able to be made with the first hit of each attack round made by the player.
3. Step 2 contradicts every other relic weapon, making Spharai the only relic unable to perform 'relic procs' on double attacks, triple attacks, and (I am uncertain of this last one) zanshin attacks.
4. Spharai is also unable to 'relic proc' on 'off-hand' hits (despite Spharai being a Hand-to-Hand weapon and therefore effecting both fists), this includes double/triple/zansion attacks as well.
5. The result is a much lower 'relic proc' rate than any other relic weapon, lowering total damage dealt by the player.

[Cablemonkey]

I am confirming Laron's report as he stated it.

My details are as follows:

Platform: Windows
ISP: AT&T
Type of Internet Connection: DSL
Internet Connection Speed: 6Mbit/s
Date & Time: N/A
Frequency: Always
Character Name: Cablemonkey
Race: Hume M
World: Cerberus
Main Job: Monk 90
Support Job: Ninja 45
Area and Coordinates: any
Party or Solo: Solo, Party, and Alliance
NPC Name: None
Monster Name: any
Steps:

Engage and attack any monster
Note that the 3x damage will only occur occasionally on the first hit per round of attacks.

[Cream_Soda]

It's not a bug.

It's to keep it fair with Dual wield relics.

For example, Kikoku.

You can't wield 2 Kikoku, so Spharai being able to proc x2 isn't going to make sense when no other weapon can.


Now if other relics can proc on double/triple attack and Spharai can't, that's an issue, but being unable to proc on offhand more likely is how it was designed and not a bug.

[Cablemonkey]

You can't wield 2 Kikoku, so Spharai being able to proc x2 isn't going to make sense when no other weapon can.
I can agree with this.


Now if other relics can proc on double/triple attack and Spharai can't, that's an issue.
I have never seen it proc on any hit other than the first attack, so something might be in error.

[Cream_Soda]

I don't personally have a relic, so idk if it works like that for the other relics as well or only Spharai, but if it does work for other weps, then a da/ta proc on the main hand of spharai should be able to work.

[Laron]

I've had friends confirm getting relic procs on double/triple attacks with Gungnir, Apocalypse, and Mandau, so im sure the rest can also get procs, leaving Spharai as the only relic that cant. As much as I'd love to have relic procs on off-hand swings I agree with what was mentioned about balancing them with dual-wield relics (though I still think it'd be fine too....lol), but not being able to proc on main hand double/triple attacks while every other relic can is just wrong @.@

[Kirschy]

I can confirm the "relic proc" on Apocalypse can only proc on the first hit of an attack round. Double Attack/Triple Attacks can not proc. It's fairly balanced. (I've had confirmation from other relic holders that only the first hit of an attack round can proc too.)

[Cream_Soda]

Kirschy has posted nothing else needs to be done.

[Kiine]

I'll agree with this as well. Damage when using Spharai has always felt low, and RelicProcs have been very rare. Certainly, a RelicProc has only happened with left hand. Also, could you not theoretically use a Kikoku(90) and Kikoku(85)?

[Cream_Soda]

I'll agree with this as well. Damage when using Spharai has always felt low, and RelicProcs have been very rare. Certainly, a RelicProc has only happened with left hand. Also, could you not theoretically use a Kikoku(90) and Kikoku(85)?
No, you couldn't. rare/ex restrictions are based on item name, not the stats or anything else on the weapon.

You cannot own two items named Kikoku, regardless of stat or level difference.

[Cablemonkey]

I can not confirm any other relics at this time, but I can ask around later this evening. All I can confirm is what Laron was saying about it procing only on the first strike. I've been arguing with myself over the off-hand strike not doing the 3x proc though... (If I recall correctly, the Glanzfaust had an issue where the "Occasionally Attacks Twice" from the aftermath would not proc on the off-hand strike, but was later confirmed to be a bug.)

[Cream_Soda]

(If I recall correctly, the Glanzfaust had an issue where the "Occasionally Attacks Twice" from the aftermath would not proc on the off-hand strike, but was later confirmed to be a bug.)
I'm pretty certain that was specifically ursine claws. I've seen no testing or heard nothing from glanzfaust owners (though I do believe I recall a kenk owner saying it's still the same for them, but not 100% sure) to say otherwise.

[Cablemonkey]

You may be right. I will never claim to having a good memory, but still satisfies the weak relation I was trying to make. :D

[Laron]

Hmm that definitely punches a hole through the issue (bad pun intended). I'll have to nag people some more about other relics procing on double attacks (it'd be pretty easy to notice), but trying to say Kirschy is wrong isnt something I feel up to trying right now lol <.<

[Francisco]

No, you couldn't. rare/ex restrictions are based on item name, not the stats or anything else on the weapon.

You cannot own two items named Kikoku, regardless of stat or level difference.
Has this actually been tested with a relic, mythic or empyrean? I wouldn't count something like Ursine Claws +2 because the base weapon is exactly the same, whereas the difference lies in yellow augments. Level 75, 80, 85 and 90 relics all have different item IDs.

If it's been tested, I feel pretty lousy for the person who tried it.

[Baccanale]

Greetings, Laron!
Thanks for posting your concern regarding the Relic weapon, Spharai. I can understand how its abilities may seem to be acting in a strange manner, and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to give us the heads-up. However, there have been several investigations into this matter in the past, and it has been found that the weapon is working by design. If you do run into any further matters that may seem like problems, though, please do not hesitate in posting your concerns. Thanks again for the report!