Give us more Pop triggers

[Mordanthos]

I don't know about you, but have any of you wondered why the actual emp item bosses are the only ones here with 3 pops? It makes no sense to me. All i do is day after day pound my head against my desk as me and my party constantly fight over who has the best macro to pop this thing before this other group does.

And don't even get me started on these emp trials that have 1-2 time pop NM's within the trigger conditions (Glavoid cough, cough,). Idk who thought this crap up, but this is by far the dumbest thing ever. A popular event due to everyone wanting these emp weapons, 3 pops at the end...great, 1 pop at each previous NM (constant fighting over popping, 100's of minutes wasted because of it) and 1 Pop on a 10-15 minute timer... (what are you fricken stupid).

Look, you need every single NM inside Abyssea to have 3 pops to it. Idk how many times now since the merge, i went to do something that "Normally" isn't already being done, or figured that just maybe, at midnight or something its gonna die down, but when i get there, either 2 other groups show up and then its just a battle and waste of time, or there's already 1-2 groups there. It wouldn't be so bad if all this did wasn't make people fight and cuss each other out. But its just getting over excessive.

Short version of this- We need all NM, pop NM, and NM on 10-15 minute timer to have 3 pops/copies. Too much fighting going on in Aby, a lot of cussing, and a lot of wasted time.

[Vlorsutes]

Considering that all the NM key items you're arguing they need to add have multiple sources for their acquisition (the NM itself or through sturdy pyxis farming), there's really no need to add additional question marks or additional copies of those NMs. Empyrean weapon farming for the most part is insanely easy already, given how readily it is for people to get the required KI for popping their NMs, there's no need to make it even moreso.

The only thing as far as Empyrean weapons they should consider adjusting is Fistule, since that still has the same single timed spawn its had since its inception. All the others though are easy enough as they are.

[rendeznousgilga]

you're jokin right ? the pixie farming is a totally bad idea, i'm doing my nin empy solo, going through pearl and amber lights, bam i'm out of time, this is not an option.

(let's just not talk about the KI you'll have 10 times before you get that last one you need and cry over all this waste)

I aggree that all those nm should have more pops, damn i really miss gilgamesh. this merge has made me rage so much since it happened.

[Eeek]

you're jokin right ? the pixie farming is a totally bad idea, i'm doing my nin empy solo, going through pearl and amber lights, bam i'm out of time, this is not an option.

(let's just not talk about the KI you'll have 10 times before you get that last one you need and cry over all this waste)


This is simply the risk taken when farming KIs solo from gold boxes. You've done it. I've done it. It's annoying when the KIs/Augmented Items you want just will not load in Gold boxes. But that's life.

If you keep at it, you will eventually get all the KIs and Empyrean Items you need. It just takes time and effort. ;)

[rendeznousgilga]

i have no problem with shit taking time to get done, but constantly having to fight to pop some nm's, now i have an issue with that. It's like all forced pop are gukumatz, you camp the pop and spam your macro.

But still i won't try gold chest again, there's just too much stuff you can get from gold pixies, when you only want 3 KI, i don't think gold pixie is the way to go. (That would be fun to have proper statistics about the drop rate of gold pixies once you have capped lights, see how many KI you get, and the probability to get the KI you want, i don't even think there's enough decimals in the world to put after that 0. to get a close estimation)

[Korpg]

I only go the gold pyxie route when I am soloing and nobody in my shell is online. Even then, I'll only do stuff that I want or will get a friend's emp weapon faster. Like Sobek or Glavoid.

[rendeznousgilga]

what job do you solo on ?

[Korpg]

BLU.

I can get capped amber, azure, and pearl in 45 minutes. Just get a clear abyssite and spam the heck out of T1 VNMs for pearl. Find a mob that gives amber (anything pretty much, except in the canyon, you have to go to turtles for them) and kill them with Sanguine Blade. I don't think I need to tell you how to cap azure though.

Can spend about 2 hours for 3 KIs though.

[rendeznousgilga]

well, i went nin, but i guess i can get the dust off my blu and give it a shot. just have to be lucky with vnm, so much people hunting them too ><

[Zatias]

Considering that all the NM key items you're arguing they need to add have multiple sources for their acquisition (the NM itself or through sturdy pyxis farming), there's really no need to add additional question marks or additional copies of those NMs. Empyrean weapon farming for the most part is insanely easy already, given how readily it is for people to get the required KI for popping their NMs, there's no need to make it even moreso.


Some NMs KI can never be found in Sturdy Pyxis (hai dar Minax Bugard) and are cluster fucked like no tomorrow (y u neva up guku). These are only examples, there are many more overcrowded NMs.

Also, many other people farm gold pyxises, and there is a maximum count for them in each zone. What does this mean? We can't get the KI normally off NMs, and we can't pyxis farm because the people not bothering with NMs are all farming them too. More often than not, I also see multiple unopened gold boxes circled around a fell cleaver with a leecher too lazy to destroy them. What is this?

Bottom Line: Time sink does NOT equal difficulty. It equals a pain in the butt.

[Tagrineth]

God forbid there still be some kind of throttle on people getting their Empyrean weapons.

What's next? "Now that everything has 3 ???s and timed NMs have 3 popsites in abyssea, what about the first half of the trials? People wouldn't invite me for Ratatoskr blah blah blah blah"

[Zatias]

God forbid there still be some kind of throttle on people getting their Empyrean weapons.

What's next? "Now that everything has 3 ???s and timed NMs have 3 popsites in abyssea, what about the first half of the trials? People wouldn't invite me for Ratatoskr blah blah blah blah"

lol

I like how everyone is ready and willing to team up for all the previous NMs but as soon as you're on the actual empyrean trial, everyone is at each other's throats trying to get it done. Linkshell monopolizing, ??? botting, mules there to hold extra KIs, it's really quite a mess.

Working on an Empyrean makes 90% of the people assholes, and the other 10% rage quit. XD

[Aureus]

lol

I like how everyone is ready and willing to team up for all the previous NMs but as soon as you're on the actual empyrean trial, everyone is at each other's throats trying to get it done. Linkshell monopolizing, ??? botting, mules there to hold extra KIs, it's really quite a mess.

Working on an Empyrean makes 90% of the people assholes, and the other 10% rage quit. XD

ITT: A trade macro is botting

[Zatias]

ITT: A trade macro is botting

Nah we're talking about how you can have a program that allows you to target the ??? even if its taken. Look around, it does exist ^^

[Luvbunny]

The OP brought a valid concern and this is a real problem that has been plaguing many servers since the merger happened. I doubt SE will do anything to it though. God forbid, they will make the game more enjoyable and ease the frustration of the players - the whole point is to make us suffer and add needless timesink activities.

[Zetonegi]

The problems that keep coming up about congestion etc. on empyrean trials is because the 80-90 trials are a poorly implemented system compared to the rest of them. Up until these trials, players could work together to complete their trials, If player X claimed other people on the same trial could also benefit from it. The 80-90 trials did away with this making it so only 1 person could really progress on any given kill. This creates a bottleneck where a large number of people can easily get to the lvl 80 trial while a much smaller number of them can actually work on it due to constraints on getting pop items. I'm going to be perfectly honest, it would have been better if it was just kill the mob 50,50,75 times with the weapon equipped. It actually encourages people to work together(or leech). A group of 6 people all after the same trial can easily kill 200+ mobs between them or ~33 per person. Look at every other trial beyond the like Relic upgrades, the Empyrean, and WoE trials(might be missing 1 or 2), all of them, you benefit from working with other people doing the same trial and sometimes benefit from people working on different trials as well. On these, you don't really benefit from teaming up with other people on the same trial, ya you might get yours faster but you have to kill twice as many to get the other guy his.

I'm not saying make the game super easy mode, I'm saying 3 hours of tedium isn't difficult, its TEDIOUS. I'm all for removing stupid, unnecessary, tedious actions. While you can't truly remove the tedium from these tasks, being able to get stuff done without having to bring your LS or an army of mules in order to gain any semblance of productivity is a boon. And if they change it to just get 50,50,75 kills, this is worse if you're just making 1 weapon, but, it lets people on the same trial team up and work together and between them they kill less. Which means less Guku's Aery and more people actually getting stuff done.

[Luvbunny]

Zetonegi, you brought a valid points, and I really hope that they will change it or come with alternative. Though, I would not hold your breath for this, I really wish I am totally wrong. In typical SE fashion: no resource, no fixes, no changes, deal with it or cancel your subscription.

[Ravenmore]

You need to find which mobs give the most lights for each zone. Emp. mobs in the coast will cap out azure in 2 kills, other area's they won't do that. Blu is by far the best solo KI box farmer once you cap lights you then can turn around and CW farm. You could also take one friend with you and it speed it up and you'll have another KI holder.

[Malamasala]

Remove drops, make the trial "kill 25 glavoids", profit. Everyone will help out and progress.

Of course, we can't have people getting equal progresses. That would actually be fair.

[rendeznousgilga]

tried today with blu going for gold pixies, well... ran out of time with 2 gold pixies with a KI in it, 2 times the same... /pissed.

Had azure, amber capped, pearl not capped, really bad luck on vnm, i kept transforming the T1 into T2, had to run back to 01 dispose of the T2 and grab another T1, still really not convinced this is a good wat to go.

Back to fighting for a pop i guess...

SE when will you do something about that ? I don't mind popping 50 briareus, but i DO mind having to fight against a whole lot of people to get there.

[Mnejing]

Had azure, amber capped, pearl not capped, really bad luck on vnm, i kept transforming the T1 into T2, had to run back to 01 dispose of the T2 and grab another T1, still really not convinced this is a good wat to go.
If you want to keep popping a T1 disposing of T2 isn't going to help if it keeps changing. :) However, you might want that colorful for later.

[Rearden]

lol why would you get rid of a T2 when you can have a locked T1 and not worry about it?

[Ravenmore]

tried today with blu going for gold pixies, well... ran out of time with 2 gold pixies with a KI in it, 2 times the same... /pissed.

Had azure, amber capped, pearl not capped, really bad luck on vnm, i kept transforming the T1 into T2, had to run back to 01 dispose of the T2 and grab another T1, still really not convinced this is a good wat to go.

Back to fighting for a pop i guess...

SE when will you do something about that ? I don't mind popping 50 briareus, but i DO mind having to fight against a whole lot of people to get there.

You got to keep in mind the VNM don't always give enhanced pearl kills it depends on zone. So all that time you wasted trying to cap pearl off VNM you could have been killing getting TEs. I never run out of time soloing in any zone. You have to know what mobs give enhanced lights not just well this works in on area doesn't mean it works in all.

[Elexia]

I'm still waiting for Chloris to not take 92 1/2 NMs to pop.

[rendeznousgilga]

for all guys wondering why i trash vnm, most of the time the T2 in la theine is in the same area as most T1, don't want to be bothered by it.

btw : they only gave 10 pearl, still more than classic mob (5 pearl), but maybe there's better to do indeed. wish someone would update the abyssea lights page on wikipedia '-'

[Tagrineth]

Capping Pearl off T1s is still the right way to go, since you not only get guaranteed pearl light off it, you also get an Ebon light for each kill.

And you can tell when you're tracking the VNM which one it's tracking by the message. "resonates feebly" is T1, "resonates softly" is T2, and "resonates solidly" is T3, and the tracker will always prioritise a lower tier if one is available.

So basically you had the right idea but still screwed up the process.

[rendeznousgilga]

i know how vnm works, but when i have the T2 abyssite, it takes priority over the T1 around, since they are in the same area, i have to dispose of the T2 to see all the T1.

(and i don't mean that the message comes from the colorful instead of the clear, but i always see the "softly" if i can see it around me even if i'm closer to some T1 - ok that's kind of a guess but all my tests are going this way -)

[Tagrineth]

Well then kill the T2 and move on. The T2 in Visions zones are cakewalks.

If you kill it, it will stay gone for a good half hour or so, you'll have a shot at the Siren Shadow atma NM (always gonna be people wanting it), and some +2 upgrades.

[Juilan]

I could only see one issue with the kill 50 or w/e times idea with NMs. Some times you need mages, although that could be fixed by adding some type of extra item that lets them buy a helm or w/e the trophy from the NM is and then trade it with the weapon to the box, this could easily be done by having a line saying if no trial target number down key item currency goes up or something while trial number x is active. Might not be the easiest to code but it'd be the smartest deployment, but you know omg its easy mode because it encourages team work and does not inspire people to pick up ethnic slurs to curse people out in three to five languages.

[rendeznousgilga]

Well then kill the T2 and move on. The T2 in Visions zones are cakewalks.

If you kill it, it will stay gone for a good half hour or so, you'll have a shot at the Siren Shadow atma NM (always gonna be people wanting it), and some +2 upgrades.

already killed it a bunch while farming serpentes stuff on the T2, already have the atma of the T3 and even his coins are trashed now xD

(and btw, repop is 10-15 minutes, i was assuming it was gonna take me longer than 10 minutes to get another T2 after disposing of one, it didn't xD)

[Tagrineth]

I could only see one issue with the kill 50 or w/e times idea with NMs. Some times you need mages, although that could be fixed by adding some type of extra item that lets them buy a helm or w/e the trophy from the NM is and then trade it with the weapon to the box, this could easily be done by having a line saying if no trial target number down key item currency goes up or something while trial number x is active. Might not be the easiest to code but it'd be the smartest deployment, but you know omg its easy mode because it encourages team work and does not inspire people to pick up ethnic slurs to curse people out in three to five languages.

Yeah it would encourage teamwork but it would also make it that much easier to just spam empyrean weapons for even more people. Ukonvasara already outnumbers every mythic combined...

They're the easiest epic weapons but this system is in place to make sure they aren't obtained by every person on the server, which they probably would be in due course if they made it that easy. At which point they'd probably have to nerf the weapons. which would be AWESOME, wouldn't it?