Just how far in the past could we go? Prehistoric? The Begining? [Archive]

kingfury

06-23-2011, 04:28 AM

Just some questions this time.

To this very day in zones like Tahrongi Canyon (and it's Abyssea counterpart) and the Altepa Desert, while rushing past to reach NMs and other points of interest, players have wonderful visual links to the very forgotten and mysterious distant past. The massive ruins of the Altepa Desert that all but speak to us about the days long passed. It's Galkan civilizations and culture only living on through the crude glyphs and tattered monuments throughout select halls and corners beneath the sand. The monumental and well preserved Dino-like (or Dragon-like) skeletons littered throughout Tahrongi's corners have always sparked my imagination and questions as to what happened to these gigantic creatures. What kind of Vana'diel existed when they walked and quite possibly ruled the lands of those times? What was the cause that ended them and could it have been avoided? We have mighty and long-lived Wyrms like Bahamut and others, so the question begs of just how long ago was it that these giants existed?

»Altep's Ruins and Tahrongi's Fossils (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/PrehistoricTimes-1.jpg)
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/PrehistoricTimes-1.jpg
Was there ever a plan to send us back to such a time via the all powerful Cavernous Maws to traverse these prehistoric times? Could the modern day children of Altana possibly stand a chance against the possible carnal and overly hostile environments that were inhabited by beasts perhaps larger than even Bahamut?

And what of the possibility of fighting with the Antican invaders along side the prehistoric Galkan Kingdoms? Could we venture back this far? We've had the unique chance and opportunity to fight with our forefathers in the Crystal War, so could it be possible to travel even further back in time and help crush the Antican hordes with the proud Galka's of that time? Perhaps alter parts of history for the better, and save at least one Galkan kingdom from falling into extinction.

There would be no real limit on how many things us modern day Adventurers could lend our aid to or alter, seeing that we could assist in other prehistoric matters including the young years of the Tarutaru, Mithra, Hume and Elvaan races. Perhaps traveling to the beginning of time to stop some super boss from altering all history and getting to meet our great mother Altana in person? :D Just wondering?

Thanks for listening Devs /salute

Korpg

06-23-2011, 04:32 AM

Seriously, wtf man.

There is a reason why your threads continue to go offtopic. You and hordecore are both asking for trouble.

Kimble

06-23-2011, 04:36 AM

Some stuff, is just lore and an explanation as to how things happened.

Makenshi

06-23-2011, 04:49 AM

i would be very interested in seeing the world in the zilarts time.

Myrrh

06-23-2011, 05:17 AM

The skeletons are lies placed by the Zilart to make us lose our faith in Altana. She created the world not too long ago and those Skeletons are there to make us think the world is older then it really is.

Zyeriis

06-23-2011, 05:21 AM

While I cannot deny the "interesting" factor of seeing what things used to be like, going to have to give any ideas that support more re-skinned zones a big {No Thanks}.

Karbuncle

06-23-2011, 05:41 AM

Doesn't have to be a giant resikinned zone, I'd take a BCNM-type fight against those giant ass Skeletons lol...

That being said, I like the idea, But i feel it will remain a "lore" type thing. The QSC is explored in the Bastok Storyline. Those Skeletons would probably be far to large to even fit on our screen, let alone battle.

I don't hate the idea but i feel it might stay more of "Text only" type of lore.

Sparthos

06-23-2011, 05:59 AM

Brief Spoilers mixed in:

Less time travel and alternate dimensions and more expanding the actual world of Vana'diel through future expansion packs. The ONE major event in Vana'diel that everyone who bothers to read the text has heard something about was Tavnazia's fall yet in the time travel oriented WOTG, we got a brief mention and then.... a whole lotta nothing.

Instead of an epic moment where the player gets to visit Tavnazia, defend Tavanazia and eventually see the city descend into ruin we got a brief mention of the city getting destroyed (during the Sandy arc iirc) and then on to the next plot point. A huge moment for XI was lost.

I blame shrinking budgets and XIV.

We're currently venturing into Star Trek territory here. Im half expecting a mirror Vana'diel where everyone has a goatee to signify they're bad at this point. Abyssea was basically a "What If?" comic and the Voidwalkers/Voidwatch mobs also come from... - you guessed it - another dimension.

The game still hasn't touched on the Orc Empire to the North, the Mithran homeland to the south, the technologically superior West or even the Far East where the Yagudo Shogunate dominates. There is a ton of stuff to be touched upon without resorting to dimensional/time travel.

Psst, btw we already had a time altering menace as a "big bad" and her name was Lilith. She also happened to transform into Altana through her Lilith Ascendant final form.

Aliekber

06-23-2011, 06:01 AM

If we could go back and time and experience the Ancient Galkan war, I'd side with the Anticans. Hopefully we'd kill all the Galka this time.

CrystalWeapon

06-23-2011, 06:36 AM

I think prehistoric vanadiel was a little something like this (http://www.supertightstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/epicpicture-800x600.jpg).

Serriously, I've always wondered how big those damn things were when they were alive. I'd have to agree with Sparthos though; I'd rather see more continents from our current time.

Tsukino_Kaji

06-23-2011, 06:41 AM

Seriously, wtf man.

There is a reason why your threads continue to go offtopic. You and hordecore are both asking for trouble.How is it off topic?

And I can't tell if your sig is a girl or not. >.> How's that for off topic? lol

Khajit

06-23-2011, 06:54 AM

Zu was kommt die Welt?

kingfury

06-23-2011, 12:03 PM

I would cast my vote for a new culture/continent to explore as well, but if the Devs gave me the choice of waiting 2 more years for an expansion vs maybe 8-10 months for re-skinned zones with 10+ foot Dinos/Dragons/Whatever the heck they are walking around to pick fights with, and the chance to split some ancient Antican's heads along side my Galka folks of old, I'd take some nice re-skinned zones please :D

If done correctly a prehistoric version of either would look completely different from what we know today. Altep would be drastically different with buildings and villages all over the place. Tahrongi would probably be a lush jungle compared to the desert-like terrain we see now.

Kimble

06-23-2011, 12:25 PM

In all honestly dude, you should just write some fan-fics or something. Im kinda over going back in the past. If they did something like a mini add-on like the did with ACP etc, that would be alright but not really just more of the same zones we already know.

kingfury

06-23-2011, 12:36 PM

That'd be cool, but I would most likely produce something like a comic before I write a full text piece. I always assume "Fan-fic" pieces are usually written works, but I suppose they cover visual pieces as well. Yeah, anything that would gimmie something large and mean to fight, I'd be okay with. Add-on or otherwise.

Greatguardian

06-23-2011, 01:34 PM

I actually wouldn't mind something like this, personally.

Though, to be honest, if given the choice between this and a look at the rest of modern day vana'diel, I'd take the latter in a heartbeat no matter the wait time.

There's a reason that Treasures of Aht Urhgan was easily one of the most massively successful expansions in FFXI history, and the one everyone (who played before ToAU) remembers it as a moment that fundamentally changed the game for the better, and I can sum it up in two words: New Areas.

ToAU's release was the last time we, as a gaming population, received a true expansion to the FFXI world. New areas we had never seen before, new monsters and monster types, an entirely different NPC culture. ToAU was absolutely incredible. The wonderful Endgame content (Assaults were brilliant, Nyzul is a lot of fun, Einherjar has the single best Endgame loot system in the game, ZNM is fun as hell if you take away the pokemon snap aspect, etc) was only a bonus onto the wonderfully executed expansion of the Vana'diel world.

WotG, on the other hand, was one of the most anticipated expansions we've ever had, but it flopped incredibly hard. Why? In my opinion, it's because the luster of a pre-War Vana'diel faded quickly when people realized that they're basically just walking through another East Ronfaure with things that actually aggro them at 75. I spent practically no time in the past after the first week or so when I absorbed the lore. There was really just no point in buying a retrace or adding some extra travel time to my plate when there was practically nothing to do there, and the zones were basically the same ones we already had.

If the Devs put together another boxed expansion, even if it was technically only available on digital download (I know this is generally cheaper these days), I'd easily pay $50-60 for something rivaling ToAU. I sincerely wish the Com and Dev teams luck convincing Executive/Finance to green light the hiring of the graphic and level designers necessary to actually produce a new zone. I would not be at all surprised if this was the primary reason for the re-skin mania of the past few years.

kingfury

06-23-2011, 01:59 PM

Yep, No argument there. Seeing the Far East (or any other new Vana'diel culture for that matter) would be truly amazing and could be the next rich culture experience that could possibly rival the true sense of emersion we got to feel exploring Aht Urhgan zones.

If you really think about though, we would be visiting an entirely unknown and different Vana'diel unlike the polished and civilized realms we're familiar with. If done correctly, these wouldn't feel like "re-skinned zones" in the slightest, and the npc's that we would meet would possibly resemble that of tribes and nomad cultures compared to formed nations and cities (aside perhaps from Ancient Galkan civilizations). Gone would be our lovely technology and convenient magical ways of travel, and the lands themselves would feel completely unfamiliar to us if we were say traversing hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of years to arrive in such prehistoric times.

We could surly find a similar emersion, mystique, and mystery should we be tossed to into times when nothing we've come to know and understand was even close to being formed and we had to discover new methods of survival against creatures and beast that make us look like insects. It's like the only way you would know you were still in Vana'diel is by the npc's still looking like Tarutaru's, Mithra's, Galka's, Hume's and Elvaans. Literally everything else would feel unfamiliar.

Aver

06-23-2011, 08:37 PM

Makenshi

06-23-2011, 09:20 PM

i really want to see xarcabard before it was covered in snow.

kingfury

06-23-2011, 10:59 PM

i really want to see xarcabard before it was covered in snow.
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Heck yea, this is along the lines of the point I was making above about how different zones could differ greatly from what we know and are use to if we got shot 100's of thousands years in the past. A none snow ridden Xarcarbard would be nuts to see.

I have never really been able to tell what exactly all that black rock-like stuff that makes up most of the landscape of Castle Zvahl Baileys, but it almost looks like it could be volcanic rocks. It could be some sort of dark crystal-like construction as well, but I could imagine this stuff all over the place. Could've been a hellish, humid place bursting with lava all around, but still populated with evil demon things running all around. It could be the literal version of that quote, "When hell freezes over" lol. More humungous demons similar to those Amphiptere's that would hunt you around every corner would be pretty darn fun I'd think.

kingfury

06-23-2011, 11:12 PM

On topic though, I would love to see the Zilart + Ku'luu back during the split. That storyline has always been the most interesting to me.

As long as it was done right, and not ruined like WoTG and Tavnazia. Oh yeah, they just blew it up, sorry you didn't get to go!
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It's been a few years and my memory on the history of the Zilart and Ku'Luu is a bit shoddy, but exactly how far back did they exist? I could have sworn it was thousands of years ago right? I know the Arch duke and that chick in Ru'Lude Gardens that commands stuff is immortal, but I can't remember how long they've been stuck that way. We talking 100k+ years, or just a few thousand?

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Just read up on their history on the wiki (»Zilart Race (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zilart_(Race))"Spoiler Warning"), and yeah they've been around for what would seem like 100's of thousands of years. o.o We would definitely be bumping into them.

Chiibi

06-24-2011, 01:12 AM

Kimble

06-24-2011, 02:17 AM

It would still be "reskinned" I mean, Areas in the past have their structures restored etc and it really is just a re-skin if a zone we already know.As you can tell with Abyssea, they tried to reuse zones that werent reused in WOTG so that would most likely rule out WAD.

But yeah, id rather a full expansion that takes us to the far east, the north lands where the orcish empire is from or I believe there is another area down south that the mithra came from? All of those would be a lot more fun to explore.

omegadevil85

06-24-2011, 02:55 AM

they won't give us any actual new content because of their favorite excuse... "PS2 Limitations" I would like to see this Map (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/general-ffxi-discussion/75681-complete-map-vanadiel.html) tho in some distant future where the rapture isn't claiming innocent harlots...

Yugl

06-24-2011, 03:09 AM

You're just bitter your race got its ass handled by a bunch of ants cosplaying as star wars bums.

Devrom

06-24-2011, 03:40 AM

*spoiler warning*

not a bad idea at all but i would rather be able to visit places which had changed drastically since the ancient times in different eras when it really matters according to the lore. instances like the caverns of time in wow would do pretty well in ffxi as well. to give some examples; the battle where karaha-buaraha sacrificed himself to summon fenrir and destroy a huge army of yagudos in the process. it has great potential of being an epic instanced battle or imagine helping the kuluu to sabotage the spine or taking zilart's side instead and helping them by spying on kuluu and providing intel to zilart or messing up their sabotage setup yourself? of course in the shape of a kuluu or zilart. not any of the children of altana since they werent even created back then. it would also open up some alternative future storyline. what about taking sides during the conflict that was put an end by Selh'teus making a deal with Bahamut? what if that deal was never made? etc. etc.

but of course we would end up getting the generic response of it being too much work at this point so i hight doubt it to ever happen. either way, i would rather see the orcish empire, mithran homeland and the far east as well because no matter how well they recycle old areas, it wouldnt be as refreshing as seeing completely new areas considering all the content that would follow.

Octaviane

06-24-2011, 03:43 AM

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Heck yea, this is along the lines of the point I was making above about how different zones could differ greatly from what we know and are use to if we got shot 100's of thousands years in the past. A none snow ridden Xarcarbard would be nuts to see.

I have never really been able to tell what exactly all that black rock-like stuff that makes up most of the landscape of Castle Zvahl Baileys, but it almost looks like it could be volcanic rocks. It could be some sort of dark crystal-like construction as well, but I could imagine this stuff all over the place. Could've been a hellish, humid place bursting with lava all around, but still populated with evil demon things running all around. It could be the literal version of that quote, "When hell freezes over" lol. More humungous demons similar to those Amphiptere's that would hunt you around every corner would be pretty darn fun I'd think.

Castle Zvahl Baileys, the Keep and the Throne Room arose in Xarcabard from the nether world when the tectonic plates from Beaucedine Glacier and Ulguerand Range slid under one another forcing upward great spires of Volcanic rock to create this stunning Fortress of Demons, Morbid Eyes, Shadow Lord and Dark Lord. My favorite place in all of Van a'diel. :)

kingfury

06-24-2011, 04:12 AM

That Map link was pretty cool! Absolutely would dig something like traveling to key moments important in Vana'diel's history Devrom. I think it's pretty natural for any culture to wonder and ponder about events that predate them by thousands of years, so it would just be fun to exercise the power of the Maws to get glimpses of certain answers shrouded in mystery and lore.

Creatively, if the Devs had the resources to develop both past story lines and present ones simultaneously, while answering old questions along with long held secrets and mysteries, which potentially could orchestrate the unlocking of new paths that lead us to these new and uncharted lands like the Orcish homeland or Far East, it could be a Win Win for everyone. Baring witness to key events and happenings in our distant past that could send us back to the present with new purposes and questions to unlock in lands unknown.

Kimble

06-24-2011, 04:23 AM

Think thats why to much for the current team to undertake and even then, it would be a long time for that to come out. Chances are the next "add-on" or expansion is already being worked on.

Personally, im a little tired of this going to the past and difference dimension type stuff. I understand why they had to do it but i think this type of stuff has just ran its course.

kingfury

06-24-2011, 04:24 AM

Makenshi

06-24-2011, 04:35 AM

is it known if SE are going to make any more add ons or proper expansions?

kingfury

06-24-2011, 04:44 AM

is it known if SE are going to make any more add ons or proper expansions?
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So far, this is the best answer we have on the table. The "So for this year" part is not saying "No" to new expansions, but it's not saying "When" exactly we'll see one either.

There have been a lot of threads and comments related to expansions and add-ons, so I'll shed some light on the current direction. The main focus for this year is to upgrade and expand content through version updates. For example, the current roadmap (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/4937-The-FINAL-FANTASY-XI-roadmap-for-the-twelve-month-period-commencing-April-2011) is filled to the brim with what we feel are exciting and valuable updates. So for this year, we do not have plans at the current moment for expansions or add-ons.

Kimble

06-24-2011, 04:48 AM

Pretty sure any new add-ons etc would come at 99.

Makenshi

06-24-2011, 04:50 AM

TBH the best chance they had to expand vanadiel was FF14. but they messed that up in so many ways.

kingfury

06-24-2011, 07:03 AM

TBH the best chance they had to expand vanadiel was FF14. but they messed that up in so many ways.
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I won't lie and say that I didn't leap around like a nut at the possibility that Vana'diel was going to get a major face lift when they announced FFXIV. It was big kick in the chest when I got more info though. :(

Here's to hoping some new breakthrough in game design that allows for a miracle bump in FFXI's graphics without having to delete everything we've built on for all these years.

Devrom

06-24-2011, 07:13 AM

Castle Zvahl Baileys, the Keep and the Throne Room arose in Xarcabard from the nether world when the tectonic plates from Beaucedine Glacier and Ulguerand Range slid under one another forcing upward great spires of Volcanic rock to create this stunning Fortress of Demons, Morbid Eyes, Shadow Lord and Dark Lord. My favorite place in all of Van a'diel. :)

it has nothing to do with nether world or whatever. the volcanic rock is already there under the snow. go to beaucedine and check the cliff at the seaside. whole northlands appear to be volcanic in nature. they just used the volcanic rock to build the fortress.

kingfury

06-24-2011, 09:37 PM

Pretty sure any new add-ons etc would come at 99.
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Seeing as we'll most likely see lvl 99 by this year's end, or early next year at the latest, I can live with that. It's not like we won't have lots of new things to play with until then like new abilities, gear to hunt, new weapons, etc.

kingfury

06-24-2011, 09:58 PM

it has nothing to do with nether world or whatever. the volcanic rock is already there under the snow. go to beaucedine and check the cliff at the seaside. whole northlands appear to be volcanic in nature. they just used the volcanic rock to build the fortress.
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It would be pretty cool to see massive amounts of demons and beastmen constructing Castle Zvahl Baileys. I can Imagine hordes of demons carrying loads of raw volcanic rock in what would resemble something like a trail of worker ants, all so utterly focused on what they were commanded to carry out, they wouldn't even aggro you if you stood alongside and spectated. Perhaps even numerous Imps would be littered along the line to survey and call for help should there be any disturbances to the progress. Meaning, if you got spotted by those imps, you would most likely see two to three big demons warp in around you to whoop up on yer head a bit.

Regardless of how it got there, being able to see these zones before they froze over would be pretty epic.

Behemuthxero

06-30-2011, 01:36 AM

wildsprite

06-30-2011, 08:00 AM

Find out where the male mithras went and the female galkas went (i know they are together somewhere lmao).

female galka? really? did you not read the introduction to galka? they are a-sexual not male, they don't reproduce, they go through some method where they end up children again after some travel.

much of the storyline tells about this as well

kingfury

06-30-2011, 02:16 PM

female galka? really? did you not read the introduction to galka? they are a-sexual not male, they don't reproduce, they go through some method where they end up children again after some travel.

much of the storyline tells about this as well
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Nothing's impossible! ^^

One thing that I've always wanted to see is the reversed Vana'diel that had Dominant Male Mithra warriors and Female-like Galka.

-Dominant Male Mithras and Female-like Galkas (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/LGalkaManthra-Web.jpg)

wildsprite

06-30-2011, 02:36 PM

pretty good art, they probably wouldn't consider it due to the PS2

kingfury

06-30-2011, 02:47 PM

Thanks ^^/kneel

I would man tantrum all over the place if they said PS2 would prevent something as awesome as a reversed Vana'diel.

Myrrh

06-30-2011, 02:52 PM

They won't consider it because of the STORY and HOW GALKAS ARE MADE. Has nothing to do with PS2. My lord.

Jackastheripper

06-30-2011, 04:11 PM

Karbuncle

06-30-2011, 06:53 PM

Wouldn't "Gal"ka fight just as well :P?

Guys, Gals.

Galka.

lul.

kingfury

06-30-2011, 10:14 PM

They won't consider it because of the STORY and HOW GALKAS ARE MADE. Has nothing to do with PS2. My lord.
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Female-looking Galka would be made no differently than us Male-looking Galka on a "reversed"/"alternate" Vana'diel. Their story would mirror ours exactly. They would still be asexual, still reproduce through the same mysterious "journey" and pop out a youthful Galka, and would still be awesome warriors... just with pretty faces and breast.

My suggestion of an alternate Vana'diel is from my "Extending the story line with Lilisette beyond WotG?" (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7879-Extending-the-story-line-with-Lilisette-beyond-WotG) thread. It was based on the fact that that we never got to see the Vana'diel that Lilisette was destined to travel to, and it would be cool to see an alternate version of the things we have on our Vana'diel. Things could feel similar, yet different.

CrystalWeapon

07-01-2011, 12:56 AM

A reverse Vana'diel with female galkans and male mithra? In said world would a majority of the male mithra secretly be played by female gammers?

Kimble

07-01-2011, 01:27 AM

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Female-looking Galka would be made no differently than us Male-looking Galka on a "reversed"/"alternate" Vana'diel. Their story would mirror ours exactly. They would still be asexual, still reproduce through the same mysterious "journey" and pop out a youthful Galka, and would still be awesome warriors... just with pretty faces and breast.

My suggestion of an alternate Vana'diel is from my "Extending the story line with Lilisette beyond WotG?" (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7879-Extending-the-story-line-with-Lilisette-beyond-WotG) thread. It was based on the fact that that we never got to see the Vana'diel that Lilisette was destined to travel to, and it would be cool to see an alternate version of the things we have on our Vana'diel. Things could feel similar, yet different.

One of the henchmen was a galka and he was "male" so that wouldnt fit at all.

And, we already know what Male Mithras look like.

Khajit

07-01-2011, 05:08 AM

Screaming for a genderswapped vanadiel? Is this for real? Does SE just need to add on Goatees of Evil in the expansion after that?

kingfury

07-01-2011, 05:20 AM

A reverse Vana'diel with female galkans and male mithra? In said world would a majority of the male mithra secretly be played by female gammers?
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Well, it would be for our viewing pleasure only I'm afraid. ^^ It would be an Add-on type of thing where we got to visit this alternate reality and mingle with the new npcs. But to answer your question they were playable... yeah... most likely.

One of the henchmen was a galka and he was "male" so that wouldnt fit at all.

And, we already know what Male Mithras look like.
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Assuming you're talking about this pic:

»Lilisette's throne room (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/LilisetteThroneRoom-Color-Web.jpg)
That was an alternate Zeid from another dimension entirely. He was summoned in a similar fashion as we would be from the alternate Shantotto residing Lilisette's Vana'diel. His involvement would be battle support against the Shadow Lord opposing Lilisette. The female-like Galka next to Lilisette is a native from the same alternate Vana'diel as Lilisette though.

We know what wimpy Male Mithras look like, yeah, ^^ but the ones that hail from this alternate Vana'diel would be the dominant side of the race. Equating to the female Mithra being very rare to see instead and the males being much grittier and built for battle.

Kimble

07-01-2011, 06:32 AM

No, one of her purple henchmen galka.

Im not talking about stuff you made up, im talking about what actually happened in the WOTG story line.

kingfury

07-01-2011, 07:11 AM

Didn't she create those guys? **Spoiler Warning**

Towards the end of the missions, she creates a copy of you out of thin air and junk, so maybe he and the mithra were just something she wanted to have eh?

Lady Lilith: Screw female Galkas, I want me a Man Galka foo'! And maybe a female Mithra to mix things up. *Poof* *Poof*

Khiinroye

07-01-2011, 07:47 AM

No, she doesn't create them.

They are people from the alternate world who made a pact with Odin. The galka is Larzos, an allied soldier from previous cutscenes. The identity of the tarutaru spitewarden is revealed in the Windurst quests for WotG. The copy of you is actually you from Lilith's world.

The history of the two worlds is identical up to the Crystal War.

Kimble

07-01-2011, 08:29 AM

Yeah, its the alternate you.

kingfury

07-01-2011, 10:28 AM

Ah, well damn. lol

Hmmm... no matter. The female-looking Galkas and dominant male Mithras could be enlisted from yet another alternate Vana'diel! No one said there's a limit to the alternate realities out there damnit. lol It wouldn't have to be thousands of these npcs walking around, just a few handful for it to be an awesome sight to behold. ^^

There was a tarutaru Spitewarden?! I remember the Elvaan, Mithra, and Galka ones, but had no clue there was a tarutaru one runnin' around.

Kimble

07-01-2011, 11:16 AM

Have you not even finished the WOTG story line? lol

kingfury

07-01-2011, 03:28 PM

Got my earring and all that. o.o Honestly can't recall seeing or hearing about a tarutaru Spitewardon anywhere. I was Bastok path though, so perhaps that may be the cause.

Kimble

07-01-2011, 03:35 PM

I dunno, you also thought she created them, lol.

kingfury

07-01-2011, 03:46 PM

Well all you see is the little cluster of lights being yanked from Atomos in the cutscene, so I figured she was pullin' it out've her magical bag er something. If the Cait detailed the creation, I'll admit to possibly spamming through his/her (not sure of it's gender) dialog a bit since he/she was hard to listen to.

I recall the part about Larzos saying something in the way of "pleasure to serve with you again Sir" when talking to Lilisette's dad, but that doesn't really intel that he was a normal galka at one point. It just means he was in the service of the dude before. To be honest, I thought only Lilith took the oath with Odin since she was the head honcho y'know. She had the most power of the bunch, and even demonstrated that she could create dark warriors by imbuing her stuff in others with that poor young elvaan solider outside Castle Zvahl Baileys.. Didn't know the whole possy signed a pact with Odin.

Why would they serve her if they had equal amounts of power y'know? I kinda figured she was the creator of her own possy of baddies.