where is the gil?

[Volga]

Is it just me or is everyone else desuetude for cash these days. Crafting ya make barely anything these days and spend way too much to get anywhere with it. Farming is none existent like back in the day. and now there isnt any money in dyna, feels like the economy is taking a hell of a drop do to the lack of gil in the game.

[Khajit]

......
You just suck at making gil.
I've not even TRIED to farm or do anything to make myself gil (like bcnms) for the last 9+ months and I have 5 mil left after buying misc HQ.

[Sparthos]

Getting gil is a joke. People trash so many amber box items worth small sums that add up now that you could easily become rich simply just being the bottom-feeder in an EXP party.

If that doesn't suffice, simply do your own amber box runs and NPC things for gil. You really don't need gil granted SE has made things in such a way that you only need as much gil as it takes to pay your support costs for w/e class you happen to play.

[Leonlionheart]

1 cruor = roughly 3 gil
Dark rings = 33k, 35k at high fame
Rasetsu jinpachi = 13k, 14k at high fame
Adaman barbuta = 9k

All of these things you will get when farming KI in a particular zone (Dark rings = Konschtat, Rasetsu Jinpachi = La Theine, Adaman barbuta = Tahrongi)

Then there's the traditional ways of making gil. Mercing can also bring huge money too.

[Ravenmore]

Some pop items that drop in amber box's that only come off timed NMs that are in high demand also can make a good profit, dyna is pure profit almost so really well can't say anything without it getting removed.

[Raxiaz]

Buy two accounts.

Level WAR to 90. Level WHM to 90.

Get Fell Cleave.

???

Profit!

[Raksha]

desuetude

Destitute.

I actually have more gil now than ever before, and i've stopped cooking all together. Not having any expensive gear to buy is a huge help I find.

[Zaknafein]

Destitute.

Oh lol.. nice one thought he was like french or something!

[Runespider]

Gil is really a nothing now, I used to have to really work hard to make it. Now I have more than I know what to do with, I usually make around 500k-1m a week and I'm not even trying to make it.

[Alkalinehoe]

Buy two accounts.

Level WAR to 90. Level WHM to 90.

Get Fell Cleave.

???

Profit!

Or just level BLU.

[CrAZYVIC]

Making dominion notes and crour you can get gil very quick. Just be careful dont npc everyday or very often. FFXI have auto ban system. Take care.

At low lvs you can farm black tiger fangs and ladybugs.

A good craft still making some profit is alchemy, Woodworking and cooking. Good luck

The FFXI economy not is the same like 1 - 2 years ago, but i feel more comfortable with this economy. No more hours and hours of craft and farm just for get the necesary money for meds/food/reraise.

[Gokku]

if your already loaded *about 20mil ish* you can level gold smithing and synergy up to 95+/80 and make a metric fuck ton of gil on the stat+ 7 rings and +4 earrings

[Runespider]

if your already loaded *about 20mil ish* you can level gold smithing and synergy up to 95+/80 and make a metric fuck ton of gil on the stat+ 7 rings and +4 earrings

There is really no need anyway, only players I know that are hungry for mass amounts of gil (ones that are found mercing stuff etc) are almost always pure RMT players, aside from that gil has lost it's alure.

[Selzak]

Yeah, it's in Abyssea.

Also, not sure if this is the case anymore, but when the CoP cap was raised there were some interesting gil-making opportunities that opened up.

[Octaviane]

Use your cruor to buy Teal, Aurore and Perle gear, NPC it, just be careful not to do it multiple times a day as has been stated. Alchemy is a really good craft to level. People always need echos, silent, prism and a few other items. It's not hard to level either, nor is it expensive. Gardening, if you have the motivation to check plants everyday can make some decent gil. All you have to do is check daily, so almost no effort involved. If you can log in, you can check your plants. :)

[Raxiaz]

Or just level BLU.

Explain. I have BLU90 and want money-making opportunities.

[Rie]

Charged Whisker.

[Mnejing]

Use your cruor to buy Teal, Aurore and Perle gear, NPC it, just be careful not to do it multiple times a day as has been stated.

Except there's a better cruor to gil ratio which is better than npcing those sets. :)

[ShadowHeart]

ask all the fishers

[Vold]

if your already loaded *about 20mil ish* you can level gold smithing and synergy up to 95+/80 and make a metric fuck ton of gil on the stat+ 7 rings and +4 earrings

Not really. It's nigh impossible to find the phrygian ore on AH to make them because it's basically the only money maker for Goldsmiths now. If you don't not have a life to camp the AH then good luck ever making a dime on them.

[Raxiaz]

Charged Whisker.

Sub job? Gear? Same ole' WHM pal to keep me alive? what?

[Alhanelem]

It's just you. Gil is easier to get than it's been in several years, and one of the major gil sinks in the game (Dynamis) was partially eliminated in the last major update.


Sub job? Gear? Same ole' WHM pal to keep me alive? what? It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to one-shot clusters of abyssea mobs with it. You just need the right atmas.

[Raxiaz]

OK, so what atmas?

God, I wish people would be just a little more helpful than this...

[hiko]

In my pocket

[Zagen]

OK, so what atmas?

God, I wish people would be just a little more helpful than this...

I wish people would put a little more effort into research. (http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/20806/azure-lore-a-guide-to-aoe-burning-on-blue-mage/)

[Khajit]

If only there was sort of "search engine" to find things like that.

[Demonized]

Hey everyone just curious Khajit said he hasn't even tried farming and has 5 mil
i was just curious i farm and do scrolls and i have 5 mil wats ya secret ?

[Khajit]

I call it selling stuff that randomly drops into my inventory while playing the game.

[Raxiaz]

I wish people would put a little more effort into research. (http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/20806/azure-lore-a-guide-to-aoe-burning-on-blue-mage/)

I never used FFXIAH because that site sucks for anything short of an external AH checker. But thanks for the link anyway.

[Byrth]

FFXIAH has the best search engine of the FFXI community sites (which hits item descriptions), and provides links to information sources. It's very well run.

[Zagen]

I never used FFXIAH because that site sucks for anything short of an external AH checker. But thanks for the link anyway.

Considering it just answered your question I would think it doesn't "suck" maybe you can't handle the nature of the forums but I've always found a great deal of good info there when I don't feel like running through the troll storms on BG

[Raxiaz]

Considering its info could be posted elsewhere (like GamerEscape) it's not FFXIAH that provided the answer, it was the user. They could have just as well posted on the official BLU forums here. I never went to BlueGartr because that's an elitist's forum. At least it used to be way back when. -Especially- when it first went public (was a private LS forum at one point, wasn't it?). The only information there worth reading would've been the end-game strategies and the "this is what puts out the biggest numbers in damage, so this is what you need to use/do" topics.

[Zagen]

Point is the info wasn't posted elsewhere also I believe if I'm not mistaken the one who posted the guide on ffxiah is one of those "elitist" posters on BG forums.

Guides such as the one I linked are likely not posted here because the demographic of posters on here isn't that of the kind that would provide a constructive discussion about the better/best gear/atma/buff options tested like ffxiah has done/is doing. Also the user base is much larger overall on ffxiah than here. I'd wager even larger than gamerescape/wikia for people who would give input.

As far as I ever knew about BG forums, they were private in the sense you needed to be registered to see some stuff other than that I don't think there was ever anything like "LS members only" phase for BG as a whole but that could have been before my time browsing BG.

[Raxiaz]

It was a website that the elitists on the FFXI GameFAQS boards praised. That was easily five or six years ago, though. Before wiki was even made.

[Leonlionheart]

Only gimps complain about elitists because they don't put the effort into getting that good at the game.

[wildsprite]

auto ban for NPCing items you bought with cruor? someone explain this to me, you earned the cruor, you should have the right to do with it as you please, if SE doesnt want you to NPC it for gil then they should not make it sellable to NPCs

[Zagen]

auto ban for NPCing items you bought with cruor? someone explain this to me, you earned the cruor, you should have the right to do with it as you please, if SE doesnt want you to NPC it for gil then they should not make it sellable to NPCs
I haven't been banned from NPCing but there were "stories" about "legit" players getting banned for NPCing too many Beastmen's Blood(I think that's the drop from the leeches in Bubu) a few years ago when RMT used to use bloods from leeches/bats and remedies to generate a lot of gil without having to worry about the economy

[Leonlionheart]

I haven't been banned from NPCing but there were "stories" about "legit" players getting banned for NPCing too many Beastmen's Blood(I think that's the drop from the leeches in Bubu) a few years ago when RMT used to use bloods from leeches/bats and remedies to generate a lot of gil without having to worry about the economy

It was just because of RMT activity at the time, not because they were NPCing stuff...

How stupid would that be if they were banned because of NPCing stuff? Crap I would have been banned when I sold flint stones to the NPCs back in 2004!

[Zagen]

It was just because of RMT activity at the time, not because they were NPCing stuff..
Back then NPCing stuff in mass quantities was RMT stuff, not the only thing but it was something used by RMT frequently

[Leonlionheart]

Back then NPCing stuff in mass quantities was RMT stuff, not the only thing but it was something used by RMT frequently

Yeah, but doesn't mean that normal players couldn't make money the same way.

[Zagen]

Yeah, but doesn't mean that normal players couldn't make money the same way.

I don't disagree, that's just when the rumor about NPCing too much = auto banned sprung up.

[Byrth]

RMT generally find easy way to make gil and exploit them. Players often find the same thing. SE then sets a program to automatically ban everyone that does a specific thing, like NPCing a lot of Wildgrass Seed products to the Galka NPC at the Chocobo Stables in Bastok Mines. They get rid of many many RMT, but they also get rid of a few legitimate players.

If you're doing something that's very profitable and doesn't require social interaction or moving large quantities of gil around on fresh accounts, you're at larger risk for getting banned than if you get your gil in another way. That said, the only examples I've heard of where people get banned for NPCing Cruor purchases are when it is a fairly new account. They might factor account age into it.

SE's ban appeal system is rumored to be horrendous, so RMT-related bans are almost always permanent even if you aren't RMT.

[Alpheus]

auto ban for NPCing items you bought with cruor? someone explain this to me, you earned the cruor, you should have the right to do with it as you please, if SE doesnt want you to NPC it for gil then they should not make it sellable to NPCs

from what i understand someone made a thread on these forums asking about the banning policy because he was banned for RMT activity and he mentioned that the only thing he would NPC constantly was the cruor gear (aurore perle and teal sets) course I only looked at the thread when it was still only a page so idk if the topic creator deleted the thread or if any other developments occurred as the thread continued

[Ravenmore]

from what i understand someone made a thread on these forums asking about the banning policy because he was banned for RMT activity and he mentioned that the only thing he would NPC constantly was the cruor gear (aurore perle and teal sets) course I only looked at the thread when it was still only a page so idk if the topic creator deleted the thread or if any other developments occurred as the thread continued

He also amitted that the account was only a month old and was burned to 90, not saying either is wrong or right but SE auto banner coulda seen fresh account hit 90 in break neck speed NPC a ton of armor. Speed leveling and NPCing stuff are known RMT tricks were one or the other would be low risk both is asking for it.

[Alpheus]

ah I see it's been awhile since I visited these forums so that important detail must have slipped my mind thanks for the clarification Ravenmore

[Ravenmore]

Anything and everything COULD get you banned, its comes down to how SE looks at it at any given time.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

A good craft still making some profit is alchemy, Woodworking and cooking.Cooking only has money of you have high fishing or key items. Otherwise you can still make a good proffit margin, but when the end result only sells for 4-6k, you're better off farming something instead. Woodworking only has money if you have decently leveled bonecraft and are already high level so you can HQ. No HQ, no proffit. As for alchemy? No clue, never touched it.
I suggest wild onions. Drop fast, sell fast.

[DebbieGibson]

Anything and everything COULD get you banned, its comes down to how SE looks at it at any given time.

Is this entirely accurate? I do believe they only ban for violation of ToS?

[Zagen]

Is this entirely accurate? I do believe they only ban for violation of ToS?

Considering the ToS can be changed at any time SE sees fit yes.

[DebbieGibson]

Considering the ToS can be changed at any time SE sees fit yes.

Is there any history to support the idea that SE might change the ToS to something that says "all players younger than 3 months who npc cruor armor will get banned"?

[Byrth]

They have enough "We can ban you whenever we want" clauses in the TOS that they're covered. They don't need to ban you for something against the TOS, nor is it important if you were violating the TOS if you get banned. There's essentially no way to get your account back regardless of whether the banning was invalid.

* I have a friend that transferred 100mil to another server on a mule to buy cheaper currency. Instant ban. Never got it back
* Rambus made gil with his alt by doing wildgrass seed farming. Banned. Never got it back.
* People regularly get banned for creditcard chargebacks. Look around in the TOS and see if you can find that.

etc. etc. You don't have to violate the TOS to get banned, and there's no clear correlation between violating the TOS and getting banned. The TOS is so worthless that it's almost not worth mentioning.

[Sparthos]

TOS is just a catchall anyway. SE can and will ban you for anything.

When me and my GF got our accounts stolen many moons ago in the RMT steal-spree, she got from SE a stripped account after a lengthy process in which SE was as unhelpful as possible. The TOS was used as the reason for getting nothing back as SE isn't responsible for anything and any assistance they give for the account you rent is purely a matter of courtesy towards your person.

My account was permabanned and took nearly a year to get back with numerous SE representatives giving me the run around. I had given up all hope and moved on and I think in most cases it'd be perfectly normal to just prep yourself for the loss and move on. SEs system of overturning bans is prehistoric.

Between paying for calls to their CA offices to having to wait hours on the phone line, a SE ban is not only a monetary loss but a mental test of patience and endurance.

[DebbieGibson]

GM policy is separate from the ToS. What I am saying is that you do not get banned for random things. There is a policy in place, even if you go to a GM and tell them you're hacking they won't ban you. If I recall the quoted GM correctly "Just because he says he is botting, doesn't mean he is."

And I had 3 accounts banned for wildgrass RMT and I got all 3 of them back via ban complaint submitted over the phone.

I just think "anything can get you banned" is a bit of an overstatement.

[wildsprite]

hrm, my account is more than 7 years old, perhaps that is the reason I'm not being banned for stuff like that....

[Ravenmore]

GM policy is separate from the ToS. What I am saying is that you do not get banned for random things. There is a policy in place, even if you go to a GM and tell them you're hacking they won't ban you. If I recall the quoted GM correctly "Just because he says he is botting, doesn't mean he is."

And I had 3 accounts banned for wildgrass RMT and I got all 3 of them back via ban complaint submitted over the phone.

I just think "anything can get you banned" is a bit of an overstatement.

They don't even have to give you a reason why you were banned. So it stands anytime SE decides that something is no longer ligit they can start banning. Even if a GM says working as intented that does not mean you won't still get banned. Its SE game and in the ToS it even states that it can change without notice. Just because you had good luck getting your account back does not mean its even close to the norm. Even the roll backs are a crap shot since you have no idea at what point they will (if they even do it) roll your account back to.

[DebbieGibson]

What is one of these things that SE has decided is no longer legit and has thus started banning?
Do you know of an instance where SE has banned someone inexplicably?

What does character data recovery have to do with bans?