random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[Helzbelz]

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So people like me who will never use the Duty Finder because I have better things to deal with than PUG DRAMA will not be able to buy this Armor, Mounts or other Items. Yea thats a real winner.

The problem is VERY VERY SIMPLE, Cross Realm Group Matching Tools cause major problems because if gives players anonymity on the internet. Anonymity allows players to be problem children because they are not negatively effected. Where as no Group Matching Tool if you got a bad name on a server you would be blacklisted as well as many people would know your a problem so would NEVER group with you and would cause you problems when finding a group. A Server Only Group Matching Tool which takes a Blacklist into account will also negatively effect this player because the more people who blacklist him the fewer people will match with this person in a group. A Cross Server Tool does nothing because the word will not get out how poorly a person acts when playing with others. The MVP system its too open for true abuse vs players playing with the player and saying hey this guy is a nut job /blacklist nutjob.

Solution. Server Only DF. Besides how many people complain of waiting 1 to 2 hours for an instance. Never had more than a 30 minute wait in SWTOR Server Only DF as DPS, 5 Minutes as tank or healer. What was the point of a X Server DF. Convenience which is not happening at all.

[Bluevann]

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While I see where you're coming from, I'm sure you understand why allowing votes to be eligible for friends would completely destroy the purpose of this feature. MVP's effect on the players' behavior is only a secondary effect of what I feel it is truly made for: quickening the queues. True, it's easier to be appreciated as a healer or a tank rather than a DPS (I've been leveling a bit of all, so I've experienced that. Got lots of compliments for my tanking, or my timely healing, never for assisting the tank properly as a DPS); as a consequence, there will be more people leveling tanks and healers to get their aesthetic prizes, which are classes we're heavily lacking for on the duty finder. Secondly, allowing friends to vote each other would

1: slow down queues, since healers and tanks will be "taken" by friends. Yoshi-P has explained plenty why he encourages server-cross grouping rather than on-server grouping, which is also why a "on my server only" option wasn't given to Duty Finder. If friends could vote you, then everyone would try do Duty Finder runs just with friends, slowing down the queues to ensure themselves a MVP and hindering those who have no friends to run with.

2: a friends-can-vote option would be an incentive to multi-boxing, and we don't want that.

[Camate]

Ok, hold up... So a "kick" feature is not being added? No way.

Hello,

From a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be very difficult to have a vote to kick feature for the Duty Finder, and we are planning to implement this.

However, as there is the concern that it could be used maliciously to get rid of players that groups do not like, we are working hard to create a system that reduces the chances for problems to occur. Due to this, we are continuing to look into the feature, as well as whether we will implement this in patch 2.1.

[azethoth]

The problem is a lack of that function. People don't often kick willy nilly like that. I have been in several df groups in Keep, where people close the client and force themselves to dc and we cannot kick them out and they do not drop so we have to abandon the instance. And by doing that they do not get the df penalty, we do since we have to leave or wait out the timer.That is not OK.
Honestly the debuff for leaving a df group should be as long as the instance timer is normally, So 90 minutes or 120.
Likewise I have been in guild groups where dcs have occured and again we cannot remove them to get another member because the game will not remove them from the party and we cannot do it ourselves.

[OptimusPrime]

They would have to implement a feature that doesn't allow to someone to be kicked if there is any item in the loot pool. If that was added, I don't think there would be any other problems with people getting kicked unless they truly just suck

[Velhart]

Hello,

From a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be very difficult to have a vote to kick feature for the Duty Finder, and we are planning to implement this.

However, as there is the concern that it could be used maliciously to get rid of players that groups do not like, we are working hard to create a system that reduces the chances for problems to occur. Due to this, we are continuing to look into the feature, as well as whether we will implement this in patch 2.1.

It is simple. You make it a "Vote to Kick" and put a restriction on how many times you can do it within a period of time. Prevents one person acting maliciously and at the same time, preventing it from being abused. Also, make it so you are within a certain amount of time in the dungeon itself to do it, so people don't abuse it by kicking you right when it begins. I understand the system can be used in malicious intent, but I think the positives of it outweigh the negative. Sometimes you have a good party with nice people and you have one person who misbehaves and intentionally makes things harder on us, the only thing you can do is convince him to leave, or leave yourself.

One thing that always bugged me about the system SE puts in place is that whatever restriction to a system they make, they take it out on all of us because a negligible amount of people might actually abuse it. Rather if it is /tell while in instance or something like a kick feature. I wish you guys could trust us a little more. Don't let a few bad eggs make you decide upon actions that affect the community as a whole in a negative way.

[Ryihito]

The reason I don't necessarily want a Kick is because you will always get those jerks who enter a Duty in a party, and they will all vote to kick a person they want to "troll".

[Zantetsuken]

The reason I don't necessarily want a Kick is because you will always get those jerks who enter a Duty in a party, and they will all vote to kick a person they want to "troll".

Not only that, but imagine that same group kicking a player just as the final boss dies or if a valuable item drops... The feature is ripe for abuse.

They would have to implement some sort of kick window (ie, kick window opens 10 min after start and window closes after party enters final boss chamber) and/or countdown timer (kick takes effect after 60 sec) combined with auto-dropping all loot list items upon kicking.

[Amas]

Not only that, but imagine that same group kicking a player just as the final boss dies or if a valuable item drops... The feature is ripe for abuse.

They would have to implement some sort of kick window (ie, kick window opens 10 min after start and window closes after party enters final boss chamber) and/or countdown timer (kick takes effect after 60 sec) combined with auto-dropping all loot list items upon kicking.

Every other MMO I know of has a vote kick implemented because the positives outweigh the negatives.

You can...
1) Remove deadweight players (e.g. people who join and /sit and do nothing).
2) Remove utterly useless players (e.g. people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing and do not respond to coaching from the group)
3) Remove trolls

Unless SE does something incredibly foolish, any vote kick will require a majority vote. For a regular dungeon, that's 3/4 people. Very difficult to abuse due to lack of private chat unless 3/4 members were flagged together. No system can fully prevent 3 schmucks from banding together to be schmuck-ish, but the number of people impacted is relatively small.

The number of deadweight, utterly useless, or trollish players far eclipses the number of people who will enter dungeons with a 3/4 party premade and have free reign to boot the 4th player ad infinitum.

[Dawning-Blue]

Hello,

From a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be very difficult to have a vote to kick feature for the Duty Finder, and we are planning to implement this.

However, as there is the concern that it could be used maliciously to get rid of players that groups do not like, we are working hard to create a system that reduces the chances for problems to occur. Due to this, we are continuing to look into the feature, as well as whether we will implement this in patch 2.1.

NO KICK Feature Please in Duty Finder. Solo players like me will get cheated i'm not in a FC and have no choice but to use Duty Finder. Find another way to get rid of AFK Players