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    A Question About Marriage

    First, let me start off by saying this has nothing to do with gay marriage or any other sensitive issues.

    I have a question about the origins of marriage within the world of Hydaelyn. After reading about some of the naming conventions for the races, it seems that most might make use of the ceremony in their culture. Miqo'te are the only ones who seem (at least to me) not to have any use for the ceremony.

    So my question is, where did the ceremony of matrimony originate? Or is matrimony not a part of the lore at all and merely being fitted in for those who asked for it?
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    And are Tias allowed to get married? Are they not allowed to be intimate with their wife? Is intimacy permitted if it's a non-seeker he takes as his bride? Is that considered betraying his duty to his clan? Inquiring minds want to know!
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    Was there literally any mention of marriage in 1.0? Like, do we have anything to work on whatsoever?

    Well, going on nothing, my idea would be something like...

    'Traditional' marriage, lifelong monogamy between one male and one female, is probably an elezen invention inspired by the divine love between Menphina and Oschon. The symbol of Oschon, a walking stick, is probably involved; maybe the groom hands his staff to the priest, as if to say, "My journey is over because I've reached my destination." Hyur marriages would often be an imperfect copy of the elezen, though there's probably a whole other set of traditions from Ala Mhigo that are just as ancient.

    Dunesfolk are nomads, they would have forager-type values. There would be no formal marriages and children would be raised by multi-generational families with grandparents and the like. Plainsfolk are farmers, so they'd need lots of kids, meaning everybody is expected to get married, probably at a very young age.

    Roegadyn, it's hard to say. Sea wolves would not be happy to 'settle down' unless they thought they'd accomplished all they could in their lives, so marriage would be more like saying "Welp, I'm done, time to get old," not really something to celebrate. Hellsguard we know next to nothing about. It's probably something weird and ritualistic, like marriages last exactly 8 years and then you're not supposed to talk to them ever again.

    Just my little ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aviha View Post
    'Traditional' marriage, lifelong monogamy between one male and one female, is probably an elezen invention inspired by the divine love between Menphina and Oschon.
    This is what I thought as well. Elezen seem the most likely to be it's origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldalewyn View Post
    First, let me start off by saying this has nothing to do with gay marriage or any other sensitive issues.

    I have a question about the origins of marriage within the world of Hydaelyn. After reading about some of the naming conventions for the races, it seems that most might make use of the ceremony in their culture. Miqo'te are the only ones who seem (at least to me) not to have any use for the ceremony.

    So my question is, where did the ceremony of matrimony originate? Or is matrimony not a part of the lore at all and merely being fitted in for those who asked for it?
    I'd assume that marriage is not a native Miqo'te custom, but rather one that Miqo'te who leave the tribe participate in. Therefore, a Tia male from the sunseeker tribe who left to join modern civilization could very well become a husband. As far as who first practiced matrimony in the traditional sense, we have no clue (as of yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deakka View Post
    I'd assume that marriage is not a native Miqo'te custom, but rather one that Miqo'te who leave the tribe participate in. Therefore, a Tia male from the sunseeker tribe who left to join modern civilization could very well become a husband. As far as who first practiced matrimony in the traditional sense, we have no clue (as of yet).
    My thoughts exactly. Monogamous behavior doesn't seem to coincide with traditional Miqo'te social structure.
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    Marriage really does strike me as something more of a Hyur/Elezen tradition.
    I could never see a tribal Miqo'te get married unless they left their tribe; though this does bring up the question if they had some kind of joining ceremony when a Tia became a Nuhn, or if the Matriarchal females in the Keeper of the Moon clans picked out a favorite mate.

    Rogaedyn are difficult to fathom, I see Hellsguard being very ritualized but Sea Wolves being always ready for an adventure; married life, children and adventure don't mix.
    It'd be awesome if we got more info on the social workings of the races, like what was the Female Rogaedyn's job? We did kinda clarify that Seeker of the Sun are walking sperm-banks, but what about everyone else? D:
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    Mentions of Marriage in 1.X
    • The two brother lalafell who work the miner's guild are out to stop the marriage of their sister, which was arranged by their mother at the groom's behest. The sister is hesitant because she doesn't love him (yet) and feels inadequate and like she hasn't even begun to live her own life yet.
    • A sidequest in Limsa features a miqo'te who is using a love-potion-spiked stew to try to get her lalafell pirate crush to fall for her and propose.
    • The WVR questline features a lalafell prince who falls in love with a maid at a ball, but she disappears at midnight leaving behind only a single glove (a la Cinderella). He scours the city looking for the girl who lost it, but this makes everyone in town start placing orders for the gloves.
    • A few NPCs who deny wanting to be in an arranged marriage.

    Honestly, it seems that a lot of Eorzean marriages are strategic alliances and arranged marriages; oftentimes either orchestrated by two parties of parents, or one man whose affections towards a woman cause her parents to force the issue.
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    I wonder how many of those will remain in the game though or if they'll even be referenced. ;;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Mentions of Marriage in 1.X
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    Honestly, it seems that a lot of Eorzean marriages are strategic alliances and arranged marriages; oftentimes either orchestrated by two parties of parents, or one man whose affections towards a woman cause her parents to force the issue.
    Sounds like what we have here back in the old days.
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