Thread: What I expect of Black Mage/ Thaumaturgy in 2.0

Thaumaturgy
to remain roughly the same as it is in 2.0, yet Fire/Ice spells reworked to actually be useful.

But needs to redone in a way that makes it different to play than Black Mage. Something similar to how Arcanist can only use Carbuncle, and Summoner will be able to use the essence of other primals.

It has to been changed, or it needs to be dropped. It plays too similar to black mage with hardly a difference minus a few abilities.

Black Mage
Gains access to all elemental spells with no cross-class penalty. Fire/Ice improved, my god I can't stress this enough.

Flare changed to a single target ranged spell that does high damage, removing the burning DoT. Give burn to Red Mage.

Freeze is changed to Blizzaga and becomes able to be comboed. New Freeze made to be pure high damage, while casting blizzaga itself will drop hate.

Burst no longer the 15 minute ability. Drop the Hp less than mobs does higher damage thing, if you aren't planning to fix that. Just make it a regular cast time and add a slightly larger cost to mp to balance it out.


On a different topic, mobs. ALL mobs need have the resistances changed. If you are going to the elemental wheel split, you need to drop all the mobs resistances to 0. Unless the mob is made out of magic like a fire elemental, nothing should be able to resist a spell.

Like trying to use Blizzard and Blizzara on Garuda, that wasn't gonna happen at all. Or trying to fire > fira > firaga miser even though it's weakness was fire, lightning was faster and more mp effective.

If I went up to Titan, I should be able to go "Ok, lightning is out of the question, let's try Ice or Fire". With the current set up, you'd probably wouldn't even bring a black mage to the fight.

A bit too specific for a reasonable expectation to express, but I agree with most of your underlying suggestions.

A few things from me:

BLM is fine with just primarily fire/thunder/ice. The no penalty thing for what I assume is regarding water/stone/aero is unnecessary. Leave those to WHM.

I hope for more creative magic effects and skill design than what you have listed out.

Though we can agree current BLM is not okay. Though I think after MNK it's the most changing job so I suspect we'll be pleased.

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

If I went up to Titan, I should be able to go "Ok, lightning is out of the question, let's try Ice or Fire". With the current set up, you'd probably wouldn't even bring a black mage to the fight.

*sharpens axe* ...you say that like it's a bad thing....

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Thaumaturgy
to remain roughly the same as it is in 2.0, yet Fire/Ice spells reworked to actually be useful.

But needs to redone in a way that makes it different to play than Black Mage. Something similar to how Arcanist can only use Carbuncle, and Summoner will be able to use the essence of other primals.

It has to been changed, or it needs to be dropped. It plays too similar to black mage with hardly a difference minus a few abilities.

Black Mage
Gains access to all elemental spells with no cross-class penalty. Fire/Ice improved, my god I can't stress this enough.

Flare changed to a single target ranged spell that does high damage, removing the burning DoT. Give burn to Red Mage.

Freeze is changed to Blizzaga and becomes able to be comboed. New Freeze made to be pure high damage, while casting blizzaga itself will drop hate.

Burst no longer the 15 minute ability. Drop the Hp less than mobs does higher damage thing, if you aren't planning to fix that. Just make it a regular cast time and add a slightly larger cost to mp to balance it out.


On a different topic, mobs. ALL mobs need have the resistances changed. If you are going to the elemental wheel split, you need to drop all the mobs resistances to 0. Unless the mob is made out of magic like a fire elemental, nothing should be able to resist a spell.

Like trying to use Blizzard and Blizzara on Garuda, that wasn't gonna happen at all. Or trying to fire > fira > firaga miser even though it's weakness was fire, lightning was faster and more mp effective.

If I went up to Titan, I should be able to go "Ok, lightning is out of the question, let's try Ice or Fire". With the current set up, you'd probably wouldn't even bring a black mage to the fight.

i would like to agree on the full elemental wheel, my only problem is ppl asking "do you have blm?"

Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

*sharpens axe* ...you say that like it's a bad thing....

exactly

It is bad when the only thing I play as is Black Mage.

Jinrya,

I have a call from the spokesman for all the DRG entusiasts in FFXIV...

He would like to have word with you.

Something about a club he wants you to join.

I would be a dragoon, but everyone is against having a wyvern. So no.

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

It is bad when the only thing I play as is Black Mage.

i dont think BLM will be that useless, its more of a problem if only blm get scouted for raids and what not.
Another thing is ppl asking forr you to level BLM even though you want to use only xyz

I won't have this problem, considering I hang out with the coolest people who like to try things.

My problem is when the situation arises where black mage may be utterly useless do to mob resistances.

No game should ever have a fight where someone is left out.

Which is why I am expecting either Fire/Ice and Ancient magic spells to be redone to be actually useful, and/or mobs resistance to be redone so that only pure magic based mobs, such as primals and elementals, to resistance 1 spell type.