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[Soukyuu]

Btw, something completely different: anyone else thinks the "Tempest" track was stolen by Darnus from Gaius? What makes me think this is the wolf cry part near the middle of the track. That music was probably meant to be playing when we get to fight Gaius... maybe it will be used in ARR again?

[Catapult]

Btw, something completely different: anyone else thinks the "Tempest" track was stolen by Darnus from Gaius? What makes me think this is the wolf cry part near the middle of the track. That music was probably meant to be playing when we get to fight Gaius... maybe it will be used in ARR again?

Actually, I thought it was for Garuda.

[Peucritond]

So is Future Perfect the first time The Circle of Knowledge meets you?

[NoloeTazier]

So is Future Perfect the first time The Circle of Knowledge meets you?

If that's the Path of the Twelve quest I'm thinking of then yep, even though you 'met' one (or 2 in Gridania's case) in the Main City State quests. In the Ul'dah storyline, Ascilia is able to remember you because she has the Power of the Echo, while Thancred even though he's aware of The Echo, he cannot.

[KoujiGeki]

hes probably gonna be 14s version of Aldo if we every meet him.

[Catapult]

If that's the Path of the Twelve quest I'm thinking of then yep, even though you 'met' one (or 2 in Gridania's case) in the Main City State quests. In the Ul'dah storyline, Ascilia is able to remember you because she has the Power of the Echo, while Thancred even though he's aware of The Echo, he cannot.

Not so. Thancred has felt the echo. After all, he tells you that he will continue to search for the one who gave him this power. He remembers you, because you were instrumental in witnessing Nielle's murder. And he even gives you your quest reward.

He simply hasn't seen you in ten years.

[kimoi]

I found it interesting that it was the Path Companion that recognized whatever Circle member you talk to in Futures Perfect.

[Yrusama]

Well, if he's never mentioned again, we can create whatever story we want for him.

But if SE decides to have us cross paths with these CG stars in the future, perhaps he didn't quit and go home and get crushed by a meteor or set on fire by Bahamut.

Perhaps he defected to the empire. Perhaps he was part of the Ascian influence in Limsa Lominsa!

It would be great to see him re-appear as a traitor. Perhaps in an expansion pack cutscene, we could see him become a similar force to what we're there to fight, and it would parallel our own progress through that story.

Maybe he left the game at launch like all of my other friends back then. ._.

I kid, I kid. It would have been lovely to see him fill the Dragoon or Monk role absent in the trailer. I hope we see them all again in A Realm Reborn.

[NoloeTazier]

Eorzean Timeline

First let me explain that the Final Fantasy XIV history tells us that things started with The First Astral era started with the wandering tribes coming to Eorzea and the Twelve welcomed them. Then they began to war and the Twelve left Eorzea. Now if we take this and go with the the repeating pattern we get: First Astral -> First Umbral -> Second Astral -> Second Umbral -> Third Astral -> Third Umbral -> Fourth Astral -> Fourth Umbral -> Fifth Astral -> Fifth Umbral -> Sixth Astral -> Sixth Umbral. But this does not line up correctly since we know we're in the Sixth Astral which turns into the Seventh Umbral. Since there's so little known, I can only expand on what I do know and understand. Thank you.

Time of the Twelve

• The Time of the Twelve is the Era when the Twelve were said to live on Eorzea. It was said the land was inhabited by gods and goddesses. This could refer to the Twelve themselves, it could be the Twelve along with Primals and other magical beings, or it could just be a race of magical people. We don't know currently.
• Wandering tribes began to appear in Eorzea. This could only be 3 races: Elezen, Lalafell, or Roegadyn. Miqo'te and Hyur are given specific dates to when they appeared in Eorzea. It could also be that it was an old race that evolved into one of the 3 or simply race(s) that went extinct.

*(YA) = Years Ago

First Umbral Era - Element: Wind

Unknown Time --- The wandering tribes began to war with each other. The Twelve (gods and goddesses) were angered and left the land of Eorzea to the tribes.

First Astral Era

Unknown Time --- The Age of Man begins.

Second Umbral Era - Element: Lightning

Unknown Time --- Nothing is known of this calamity.

Second Astral Era

Unknown Time --- Nothing is known of this era.

Third Umbral Era - Element: Fire

Unknown Time --- Speculation: Possibly the rise of Bahamut?

Third Astral Era

5000 (YA) :: -3428 ---

• Allagan Empire founded. Expands the entire continent of Aldenard and possibly Vylbrand.
• Allagan Empire constructs the Royal Allagan Sunway and Starway in present day Thanalan.
• Allagan Empire imprisons Bahamut. Possibly what brought about the end of the Third Umbral era.

Fourth Umbral Era - Element: Earth

4000 (YA) :: -2428--- Allagan Empire's destruction ushers in the Fourth Umbral Era. Possibly due to imprisonment of Bahamut.

Fourth Astral Era

Less than 4000 (YA) more than 1500(YA) --- Nothing is known of this era.

Fifth Umbral Era - Element: Ice

Less than 4000 (YA) more than 1500(YA) --- Ancestors of the Miqo'te tribes travel across the frozen seas following food.

Fifth Astral Era

1500 (YA) ---

• Grand Companies come together to prepare for the Sixth Umbral era.
• Many White Mages abuse their power and the art begins to die out.
• Shatotto, a very talented thaumaturge, casts Meteor to bring down a 'Star' and uses the fragments to create the Stardust Rod.

Sixth Umbral Era - Element: Water

1500 (YA) ---

• A Great Flood submerges and damages many parts of Eorzea. Possibly caused by Urianger and the Archons.

Sixth Astral Era

Dates are current to Sixth Astral calendar years.
~ denotes around the time of.

233 --- Lewphon of Sharlayan writes "The Five Ages - An Eorzean Chronology."
~572 ---

• Hyur begin to migrate to Eorzea in three great migratory waves.
• Founding fathers of Ishgard encounter Nidhogg. Haldrath takes up his slain sire's lancer and thrusts it into Nidhogg's eye, the first Dragoon.

~972 --- Sultan Sworn founded, sworn to Sultan. Three swords were forged for the 3 Paladin's who founded the Sultan Sworn, Curtana was born.
1022 --- The Ixali settle in Twelveswood calling it "Tinolqa" or "Blessed Forest" in the common tongue. They build houses in the trees and can fly.They worship Garuda.
1022 to 1422 --- Ixali are exiled from the Twelveswood by the Elementals. They travel to the canyons of Xelphatol. Their young begin to be born without the feathers on their wings that catch the winds and allow them to fly.
1272~1372 --- Sil'dih civilization is destroyed in it's war with Ul'dah. Was then said to be buried by sandstorms. Possibly could still be around. Aqueducts extended to Nophica's Well and the Copperbell Mines.
1422 --- Ixali invent the 'dirigbles' to make up for their lack of flight.
1468 --- Ala Mhigo invades the Twelveswood beginning the Autumn War.
1469 --- Ul'dah, Limsa Lomina, & Ishgard send reinforcements to Gridania. Ala Mhigo's offense is halted and eventually the Alliance wins and Ala Mhigo withdraws.
1472 ---

• The Goblin Pilgrimage begins.
• Ququruka creates Barbatos to destroy Eorzea.

1483~1492 --- Solus soz Galvus born (Is said to be over 80 years old)
1521 --- The Empire of Garlemald founded under Solus zos Galvus.
1542 --- Toto-Rak sealed by Elder Seedseer.
1557 ---

• After inciting unrest within the masses of Ala Mhigo, the Garleans are able to capture the city and proceed to occupy it.
• Nidhogg destroys the town of Ferndale.
• The Dragoon Ser Alberic meets Nidhogg in combat, Ser Alberic suffers injuries that make him lose his Dragoon powers.
• Nidhogg begins it's slumber after suffering wounds.

1562 ---

• The Garlean flagship Agrias invades Mor Dhona and does battle with the dragons. The Guardian of the Lake Midgarsormr appears and destroys the Agrias and the Garlean fleet. The battle is called Battle of Silvertear Skies
• Primals are released with the Ceruleum explosion caused by the impact of the Agrias and Midgarsormr colliding with the Silvertear Lake.
• Echo awakens in mass.
• Mor Dhona's landscape begins to change in the resulting explosion and aetherial disturbances.
• The City-state Main Scenarios Echo begin as we enter the world of Eorzea with our characters.
• Beastmen are exiled from Ul'dah out of fear of being targeted by Garleans.
• The Bozja Citadel is destroyed in an experiment to bring down the lesser moon Dalamud.
• The incident causes Cid and other engineers to leave for the City States.
• The First Primal in Eorzea was supposedly summoned. Causing the Garleans to cease their advance into Eorzea.

1564 --- The Amalj'aa Summon Ifrit at Mythril Pit T-3.
1567 ---

• The Sahagin become more aggressive and begin to attack.
• Possibly the year that The Company of Heroes defeat Titan and Leviathan.

1571 --- The Empire resumes the advance into Eorzea under Nael van Darnus' and the VIIth Legion.
1572 --- The Present Day. Not going to list all the quests and happenings lol.

Seventh Umbral Era

1577 --- A Realm Reborn.


And there we go. If anyone has anything else to add I'll edit and add it. I searched far and wide for every year or time period mentioned in npc dialogue and cutscenes. Hope you enjoy.

Edit: If Ferne reads this I have a question about the First Astral. If the First Astral era was the first era, then the Sixth Umbral era would be the last if it goes with the Astral -> Umbral -> Astral -> Umbral formula. Am I correct to assume I was right about the time of the Twelve and the First Astral being 2 different time periods?
Also when I was working on the Timeline and went with the Astral -> Umbral formula and instinctively put the Fifth Umbral -> Sixth Umbral in that order because I assumed if the Ice age melted, logically there would be major flooding. So I assumed if it started with Astral -> Umbral then this could be how the timelines added up. But Lore wise that's not how it works. No real question there just wanted to make the remark lol. Thanks Ferne or anyone else that reads this.

[NoloeTazier]

While I haven't had time to go through all the cutscenes for primary evidence, I'd like to point out that a couple of theories in this thread contradict.

Specifically, the star shower at the end of the starting city plotlines cannot mark the moment that the primals escape from Silvertear lake if either of the following theories are also true.

1) The echo begins when the primals escape. I can't see any way this idea isn't true. But if so, then 4 members of the circle of knowing, all possessing the echo, had time to travel to Eorzea after gaining this power. Whether they were chosen to join the circle because they had the echo, or the circle can somehow GIVE people the echo, they had it and knew something about it before the main city questline begins.

2) Ascilia is Menfilia. Menfilia is said to have survived the imperial attack on Mor Dhona. If so, then she couldn't also be crying in an Ul'dahn crypt at the same time.

The simplest resolution is to assume that the star shower in the main questlines is either different from the release of the primals (perhaps a vision of the future triggered by an unrelated celestial event) or else it is an echo vision of the explosion at Silvertear Lake, which happened in the past.

One way or another, that last starshower does not mark the Battle of Silvertear skies on the timeline.

1.) The Circle of Knowing knows of the Echo but they do not possess the power. They're in the Circle of Knowing because they're said to be reincarnations of the Twelve, the Archons. Minfilia tells us that 10 years ago the Echo began to appear in mass, same time as the Battle of Silvertear Skies. The Echo could have came from the Primals being released, it could be a power that was brought out when the aether was disturbed, it could be the call of the Mother Crystal ("Heed the Crystals Call," could literally be a hint they give us).

2.) First time I've heard of Minfilia surviving an imperial attack in Mor Dhona. If you've read what I posted you will know how everything lines up. Ascilia comes to Ul'dah with her father Warburton shortly after Ala Mhigo falls. We arrive in Ul'dah and step off the chocobo carriage and see the Event (the starshower) during this, everything around us changes. Somehow Grinfarr and the Lala Twins are on the same caravan, Ascilia and her father appear, and Thancred walks away with 2 women. Also Ul'dah is currently celebrating and having a festival. During our ride in, none of this was going on. People were bartering in the stalls and there wasn't so much of a commotion. Simple to say we are in an Echo and everything we experience at the time is an Echo. The whoosh noises we hear during these quests are Echo jumps, we are Echo jumping inside an Echo. At the conclusion of the quests we see a more in-depth starshower and noises ring in our head and we pass out.

Now prior to the crypt scene, spoilers aside, we bump into Minfilia and she says things along the line of she's surprised to see us here. Clearly meaning she's met us before, but we have not met her? There's a reason why their names are similar, same reason Ul'dah and Sil'dih are similar. This is how the world operates. Not only does a name change take place, but in each story there's a name change. Krimm, Ascilia, Sthalman (think that's it, typing this hastily and too lazy to look for the real spelling).

As for the last starshower I can't tell you what it is, but I believe it's a vague premonition for the 7th Verse of Mezaya Thousand Eye's The Divine Chronicles. In Tanaka's story and in Yoshi's story this vague disaster could mean anything and in Yoshi's story it's Dalamud and Bahamut.

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

It's the heaven's spewing crimson flame and it has everything to do with our Echo, as does the first starshower.

When I came up with the theory of Ascilia == Minfilia, I worked very hard on it. I watched every Cutscene hundreds of times and read every line of npc dialogue even more times, looking for those subtle meanings. The conclusion I came up with was that, Ascilia grows up to be Minfilia. Catapult was able to come up with the same conclusion of Krimm growing up and being the Hermit.