DPS Testing

[Judge_Xero]

I thought it would be interesting to see how much the DPS value actually changes damage output.

I tested with weapons that have the same Delay (Damage/Delay ='s DPS)

The test consisted of having STR/INT below where it would cap on either weapon.
Perform Auto Attack with a Parser until DEV was ~9% swap fists - repeat.
For WS's using Pummel only ~9% DEV swap fists - repeat.

attack 72 91 81.5 11.656% - 38.00 DPS Lomisan Knuckles
attack 57 72 64.5 11.628% - 28.66 DPS Cobalt Knuckles
attack 64 80 72.0 11.111% - 32.33 DPS Pieste Ceste

The calculated difference is:
~0.85%: 1 Damage Stat (used for AA)
~2.5%: 1 DPS (used for WS)

***This does not include the addition of higher stat caps from higher DPS. This is only higher DPS with the exact same stats.

***Also tested this for Gladiator and Lancer weapons. Results aren't posted

[SwordCoheir]

Eh, that kind of testing is hard to find accurate tbh, not claiming your assertion is wrong but the damage extension varies by such a wide degree per weapon it's hard to get the accurate raw data that you're looking for without testing multiple varying DPS values. And judging from the weapons listing off mogbox it'll be difficult to find that variance without hitting the stat caps on some weapons.

[Judge_Xero]

Eh, that kind of testing is hard to find accurate tbh, not claiming your assertion is wrong but the damage extension varies by such a wide degree per weapon it's hard to get the accurate raw data that you're looking for without testing multiple varying DPS values. And judging from the weapons listing off mogbox it'll be difficult to find that variance without hitting the stat caps on some weapons.

Thanks Sword Coheir, this does bring to light some more testing to do. There hasn't been anything yet to say that Damage/Delay to DPS values would not scale in a linear fashion. I guess I could pick another Monk weapon, most likely with higher DPS - Probably Lomisan Knuckles (same 3 second delay). I should be able estimate the damage from the 2% scale and if it's within range then it works.

The other difference will be in the delay. Going from a High Damage Weapon with a long delay to a Low Damage weapon with a short delay will have a different AA to damage %, but given the same timeframe should still follow the same linear damage difference.


So I finished with that testing. It only represents so far, the % gain for AA. Which showed so far on my testing to be the same for WS's

attack 72 91 81.5 11.656% - 38.00 DPS Lomisan Knuckles
attack 57 72 64.5 11.628% - 28.66 DPS Cobalt Knuckles

So I would have estimated that the Lomisan Knuckles would do around 76 Damage on average 18.7% more than Cobalt @ 9.34 higher DPS.

I'll re-do my testing on the Peiste Cesti to see if I can get it right at the 11.6% deviation as well. But so far it seems that 1DPS is ~2.5% increase in damage to AA and WS.

attack 64 80 72.0 11.111% - 32.33 DPS Pieste Ceste - New Testing 11.1% Deviation is pretty close

Difference between Lomisan Knuckles and Pieste Ceste 14%, DPS Difference 5.67. (2.5% * 5.67 = 14.1%)


Going by the difference in Damage VS. the difference between Damage Stat (DS)

1 DS ~ 0.85% for AA
1 DPS ~2.5% for WS

Then you could roughly compare weapons

Cobalt Claws 117 3.2 36.56 Attack Power : +8

Sphairai 143 3.4 42.06 Attack Power : +60, Refresh : +5, MP : +70

Difference - 26 DS * 5.5 DPS * 52 AP

So AA 22% - WS 13.75% - AP 8.5% to both AA and WS
for a total of 30% greater AA Damge - 22.25% Greater WS Damage - Before capping stats

After Capping the stats - It seems kind of high, but... 50% Greater AA - 42% Greater WS Damage

***Disclaimer -- This is mainly theory based on stat testing. Use at your own risk

^ Anyone with a Sphairai want to test this? -Cobalt Claws at or below stat caps VS Sphairai, using the same gear.


For fun I thought I'd try comparing some Bows (I know this isn't the Archer/Bard Section)

Garuda's Spine 71DS - 3.1 Delay - 40.97 DPS
Flame Lieutenant's Bow 109DS - 4.1- Delay - 40.24 DPS - 30 Attack
DS Difference of 38 or 32% + Attack 30 (~5%) Total 37%

90 Second Comparison
Garuda 29 attacks + 10 For Barrage - 39Total
Flame LT 22 + 10 for Barrage - 32 Total

Flame LT 82% @ 37% more damage so 112% (12% More than Garuda)

So the Flame LT Bow should do ~12% more AA + Barrage Damage than Garuda at the same Stats (DEX/PIE) within a 90 second period
Not that it will make a huge difference because WS>AA damage. - so maybe 5% Overall
Since Garuda should do ~4% more damage overall with WS's it's pretty even

[Judge_Xero]

Is Sphairai worth it over Garuda's Talons?

Garuda's Talons 115 2.8 41.07 Accuracy : +25, Crit Attack Power : +40, Wind Resistance : +15, Adds Wind Damage

Sphairai 143 3.4 42.06 Increases Shoulder Tackle damage , Evasion : +30, Attack Power : +60, Refresh : +5, MP : +70

Sphairai VS Garuda's Talons

2.5% AA and WS Damage over Garuda + 60 Attack Power ~6% more damage

Total ~8.5% Increased Damage over Garuda's Talons at the same stats
~ 8.75% Increase in AA and 10.5% Increase in WS's at Sphairai Stat Caps

Monk doesn't need a ton of accuracy, but the other factor will be if the loss of 25 Acc can be made up, without losing any other stats, as it will reduce the usefulness of Sphairai over Garuda's Talons.

[GreyJorildyn]

My gear is as follows for MNK and it performed quite well on Rivenroad (Hard) and we won.

Sphairai
Raptorskin Pot Helm +1 (INT+42)
Flame Sergeant's Tabard
Flame Sergeant's Sash
Felt Trousers (STR+24/VIT+26)
Felt Bracers (STR+50)
Ul'dahn Officers Boots
Explorer's Earring/White Ravens
Explorer's Choker
Flame Sergeant's Bracelets
Zircon Ring +1
Rubellite Ring +1

Food: Tuna Miq'abob
Sanction active.

STR 353
INT 324

The boots provide 5 acc and have a very nice sanction bonus (and identical to what talons offer). I have explorer's mocassins when sanction is down. If I had corselet/caligae I'd use both in a heartbeat though. So far I have not had any major accuracy issues as I find switching food to tuna (from raptor), puts me down 1 acc but up 19 attack. The extra accuracy is there as needed on boots and helm. I purposely melded that helm for the acc+6 it offered. There are ways to work around stuff like relics w/o accuracy but it does take effort. Also it is totally worth it.

[Judge_Xero]

My gear is as follows for MNK and it performed quite well on Rivenroad (Hard) and we won.

That's awesome.
Do you happend to have Garuda's Talons? If you do, would you mind doing an AA parser against a lvl 50+ Mob?
It would have to be without your Raptorskin Pot Helm because the INT will throw off the results.
Just to see if my theorized calculations are close to the difference in weapons.

Thanks in advanced - I just need to add that the difference in AA damage should be ~30%. But total damage (i.e. over 60 seconds) should only be 8.5% because of the difference in delay. It'd be cool to see if it does actually match up.

[GreyJorildyn]

Um, yeah I could try that, but won't have time until the weekend.

[Meatdawg]

http://xivdb.com/?GearSet/Dps-Monk/214

Current Monk Setup.

That gets me close to the caps and over 800 atk w/food and fof

[Almalexia]

Galka must have a huge racial difference from cat. If I wear the same thing (same materia, too) I am 20 STR and 20 INT short of Sphairai cap. Food included. I can still hit 800ATK though.

A shame, because I would really like to use eyepatch again.

[Churchill]

No, that guy just doesn't have a clue what stat caps are or what the word "close" means.