Quest based leveling: Future problem?

[Zyph]

What does an offline game have to do with an MMO?

They are comparable in this case. Skyrim had hundreds if not thousands of quests. All hand crafted by devs. It would take more than that number of quests to level 7+ combat classes and 12+ crafting/gathering classes to 50, even if the exp gain was 1 level per quest. And in order for those quests to not be boring they would also need to be hand crafted by devs, else we just may as well keep leves.

[Masamune1004]

I am at work so cannot write the 14-page manifesto of why I believe quest-driven leveling (aka, quest-grinding) is the root of all evil. But at its core, quest-grinding almost implies solo play. Now, before you go and say "But you can quest together!" How many people do guildleves together? How many people quested in WoW together? Rarely does it happen. To contrast, for monster-grinding, you pretty much have to party with others to gain exp at a reasonable rate. This is because to kill monsters that yield exp you need to fight things way higher than you (i.e., impossible to kill consistently by yourself).

There is the key. One incentivizes solo play while the other incentivizes party play. I prefer to play with others.

I think having quests is good, but I think they should serve a small role to advance the story or lore, not be a means of progression because you then spend most of your time running around, talking to npcs, and killing things solo. Why not just play a solo RPG?

So basically what you're saying is, you like to do things one way, so everyone else should be forced to do things the same way? Because you'll still be able to grind mobs in exp parties if you want, nobody will force you to do these quests. And why does it have to be one way or the other? Maybe some people like both solo and party content. Also playing solo in an MMO =/= solo RPG. There are many things in an MMO that you can't get from an offline RPG, like the social aspect (linkshells/free companies) and the economy. By your logic everyone who crafts and gathers exclusively should play offline crafting games.

They are comparable in this case. Skyrim had hundreds if not thousands of quests. All hand crafted by devs. It would take more than that number of quests to level 7+ combat classes and 12+ crafting/gathering classes to 50, even if the exp gain was 1 level per quest. And in order for those quests to not be boring they would also need to be hand crafted by devs, else we just may as well keep leves.

These quests might be leves for all we know, and even if they aren't, I honestly don't think we need trash quests for DoH/L, leves are fine for those. And I hope they aren't hand crafted so we can get more of them, considering that the quests in Skyrim were still pretty boring to me after a while.

[shanvhere]

Quest leveling is what MMO is like now, no more from grinding.

[Virtuso]

Rokien definitely strikes me as one of those idiots that think that allowing gay marriage would turn the future generation gay.

The debate in this game has always seemed political to me and it's pretty amusing.

On one side we have the bat-shit crazy people who don't want anything to change and want to backpedal on things that have made us better. While on the other side we have the people that say "we know we're not the best anymore but we will strive to become better".

Total agreement with that. To both this game forums and the political commentary.

[Skies]

I am at work so cannot write the 14-page manifesto of why I believe quest-driven leveling (aka, quest-grinding) is the root of all evil. But at its core, quest-grinding almost implies solo play. Now, before you go and say "But you can quest together!" How many people do guildleves together? How many people quested in WoW together? Rarely does it happen. To contrast, for monster-grinding, you pretty much have to party with others to gain exp at a reasonable rate. This is because to kill monsters that yield exp you need to fight things way higher than you (i.e., impossible to kill consistently by yourself).

There is the key. One incentivizes solo play while the other incentivizes party play. I prefer to play with others.

I think having quests is good, but I think they should serve a small role to advance the story or lore, not be a means of progression because you then spend most of your time running around, talking to npcs, and killing things solo. Why not just play a solo RPG?

What
Exactly
Prevent the quests from being geared towards being done with a group?

[Dawiichan]

What
Exactly
Prevent the quests from being geared towards being done with a group?

Blasphemy! If the people don't believe it, it can't be possible! /end sarcasm

People don't want to be forced to solo on quests, but refuse to party in dungeons. Hypocrites I say.

[Gumbercules]

Okay, as a person who has played a couple of different MMOs, quest based leveling worked for them mainly because it was one storyline for the one class that you chose to level. However, we have an armory system, where you level multiple classes on one character and experience all the the story on the one character.

Anyone see the problem yet?

Lets say I'm a noob, just finished leveling my warrior 1-50 or where ever our new cap may end up being through quest. What if I decided to level Dragoon, would the quest restart on their own, or will I have used all my quest up for my second job.

I like questing to gain experience, but I'd just like some comments if this will be the case.

I believe they are keeping the leve system more or less, might be a little different but im guessing most of your xp will still come from leves. so maybe the quest hubs ill just have some main story quests and repeated quest you purchase with leves, so when you go through again you can still just pick up these quests again with leves.

[Rukkirii]

You guys have brought up some great points in this thread and I went ahead and asked Yoshida on what he thinks.

Here is his reply:

Don't worry, of course there will be content besides just quests, but please wait for future details in an upcoming announcement. By the way, just to be clear, it won't just be leves!

Now to wait for that announcement!

[Gidonoidon_Sur]

You guys have brought up some great points in this thread and I went ahead and asked Yoshida on what he thinks.

Here is his reply:



Now to wait for that announcement!

Still a little concerned. I just want to play with others and often questing results in a completely solo track to endgame. Hope that is not the case.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

You guys have brought up some great points in this thread and I went ahead and asked Yoshida on what he thinks.

Here is his reply:

Now to wait for that announcement!

Thanks Rukkirii! Send him best regards, and I'm sure that we will really enjoy whatever he has planned!!