Rainbow condition

[rina_inverse]

Whats the purpose of this rainbow condition?

Ive seen people recommend from to time to use +Q skill on rainbow, but it always give me instability when I try that

[Estellios]

Rainbow orb is the lowest chance of success but the highest quality/progress gains if you manage to succeed.

[tymora]

On equal level recipes with 0 craftsmanship, tests suggest about +30% failure rate on rainbow.
Comparatively, yellow has no noticeable increased failure rate, and red is about +15%.

On recipes 20+ levels lower, all orb colors normalizes to the more or less the same break percentage, about at about 20%.

Following the trend, trying to do anything on rainbow on high recipes without a skill that guarantees success, is silly as you are most certainly to fail. On the other hand, you want as many rainbow orbs as possible if the recipe is low.

This is yet another fun (and frustrating) aspect of crafting.

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The relationship is not linear and I don't have enough good data to give a nice graph or a better estimate. Use these numbers as a general guide, not a rule.

[AmyNeudaiz]

On equal level recipes with 0 craftsmanship, tests suggest about +30% failure rate on rainbow.
Comparatively, yellow has no noticeable increased failure rate, and red is about +15%.

On recipes 20+ levels lower, all orb colors normalizes to the more or less the same break percentage, about at about 20%.

Following the trend, trying to do anything on rainbow on high recipes without a skill that guarantees success, is silly as you are most certainly to fail. On the other hand, you want as many rainbow orbs as possible if the recipe is low.

This is yet another fun (and frustrating) aspect of crafting.

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The relationship is not linear and I don't have enough good data to give a nice graph or a better estimate. Use these numbers as a general guide, not a rule.

I'd like to know your sample size for that because that just doesn't seem right to me.
Unless I'm misunderstanding.

[tymora]

Very low number for samples, ~100 fish across 6 data points, hence the "general guide, not a rule" part. Not going to put too much effort in this now with 2.0 on the horizon though.

What doesn't seem right to you btw?

[Mikita]

Just wanted to add that because success on the rainbow orb gives the greatest gains in Quality, the abilities that are often used are:

Byregot's Blessing (Carpentry L45) for 100% quality gain on the next 3 steps.
... followed by Culmination (Weaver L45) to ensure Great Success. Used in combination with Byregot's Blessing on a rainbow orb gives you somewhere between a 90 ~ 130 Quality gain.
... followed by Perfection (Carpentry L36) for Great Success on Careful synthesis... hopefully on another rainbow or red orb during Byregot's Blessing for another big gain in Quality.

Increasing your Control stat will reduce the chance of an element going unstable on a failed action, regardless of the color of the orb.

Or you can play off the instability by having the appropriate Brand of ____ set for another 100 Quality gain when it goes unstable...

But that, IMO, is more of a gamble since the element can go unstable and blow up multiple times (ultimately causing you to fail the synth and negate the Quality gain from using the Brand), or not go unstable at all (in which case you waste an ability slot with the unused Brand).

I tend to only do this when leveling on cheap materials. If I'm working with expensive materials I would much rather go for Control and ensure success of the synth.

[rina_inverse]

hmm
so for HQ recipe, based on my skill set, I guess I should avoid rainbow

thanks guys

[Madrox]

Where can I find tests and information on the orbs colors. I've never been able to locate them.

[Madrox]

I've been unable to locate tests and information on orb colors, can lease point me in the right direction?

[tymora]

None out there except on the spreadsheets on my system, and probably a few more others.
As for mine, with such a low sample (low accuracy), no point to post. Still have some unknowns around.