This savage is getting really headache inducing...

[Lilseph]

A couple of ogcds from both healers is enough to deal with the entire thing regardless of the orb situation. That's chain lightning, crippling blow TB and judgements volts.

Only if you have a Scholar in the group. If you managed to get into a PF party with a WHM AST pair, there just isn't enough ogcds to go around for the amount of damage going out. Triangle puts people in a riskier position because Chain Lightning damages the same person every ~9 seconds compared to Circle which bumps it to every ~12 seconds giving the Healers an extra GCD of leeway to heal people up.

Less player movement = less error.

Circle is the exact same way too. There's practically no movement other than a light tap to rotate clockwise. And in a pug scenario where it's uncoordinated, it's much safer to do in the event of deaths going into the mechanic because yhe tanks aren't scrambung to float into position. Yes, Triangle is a valid strat, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best one in every situation. That's the purpose of this thread. People on PF being stubborn about what is the "best" strat and shoving it down people's throats because it's the one they cleared with.

[EaMett]

Only if you have a Scholar in the group. If you managed to get into a PF party with a WHM AST pair, there just isn't enough ogcds to go around for the amount of damage going out. Triangle puts people in a riskier position because Chain Lightning damages the same person every ~9 seconds compared to Circle which bumps it to every ~12 seconds giving the Healers an extra GCD of leeway to heal people up.

I've had my AST co healer solo heal the chain lightning/judgement volt/crippling blow section with an earthly star, celestial intersection and essential dignity (and this was with half the group not having an orb because "mah dps"). So I somehow doubt whm/ast combo can't get past that with ogcds only even in less organized situations.

[Satarn]

It's always been a thing though and will always remain this way.

Imo, logically people who PF should by default try to learn as many strats as possible and be flexible, as they're pretty much bound to stumble upon near every possible strat eventually. Sadly most times it's the opposite and PF-only people will stubbornly cling to a single strat/position/waymark placement they've learned, then throw a fit and leave as soon as that's challenged - even if they've just knowingly joined a "7/8 static" party and are asked to follow the method rest of the group is used to.
More often than not, the strats widely adapted by PFs are also directly opposite to what's not only most optimal, but also safest(clock-wise bibliotaph in o7s comes to mind lol) - at least in EU PF.

Another issue is that most people learn only the strats, rather than how the mechanics actually work - which makes it impossible to adjust if something goes differently than planned. The worst thing is mechanics which make everyone move in the same way together, as many will opt to simply rely on a single person to know what to do and follow them - which can obviously lead to a stupid wipe if said person makes a mistake. Then there's mechanics which are intended to be done by everyone, but through specific methods can be dumped on one person(usually a tank it seems) just to further avoid learning, even if said method is - again - more prone to failure.

Most "raiders" will get outraged at an accusation of wanting to get carried, but they will happily outsource any actual responsibility and thinking to anyone but themselves and blame anything other than their lack of ability to learn, should they mess up.

[technole]

Just look at Cinder Drift. "No rotation" exists because people don't own clocks anymore in the smartphone era, and they don't get what clockwise means. So less room for error. The DPS check is yet a punching bag, and some people make a big fuss over it. People are free to make their own parties or create a static with their own strats they prefer.

Once you clear a fight in PF, static or wherever, no one wants to spend any time "re-learning" for weeklies, unless trapping parties is your thing. Grandpa Ramuh is already the hardest fight this tier, aside from Daughter Shiva. Soccer Dad, Ifrit is cake that you don't need anything around discussing which strat is better.

[Aomine1992]

It just gets worst there are 12 LR strats for shiva, 10 different KB mirror strats, 5 icelit stats lol I would honestly just be flexible and communicate what you don’t know because while there are too many different variations of one thing people usually arnt against teaching you their way.

Also agreed I think people need to understand mechanics more then just following what someone said, although following someone else guide is useful for pugs because you’re not always raiding with a particular grp