Poll: Which raid design style did you like the most?

[ArchlordPie]

I vastly prefer "real" raids to the glorified trials that FF14 calls raids nowadays.

I get that the mentality over here is that trash is a waste of time and raids are better off just being the boss fights, but there's just something missing when you magically teleport between 4 boss arenas and that's the whole tier. There's no sense of progression. No grandeur. No "holy cow, look at how far we've come" moment when you come out of the hallway and look down from the roof and see your NPC allies occupying the outdoor space that used to contain a boss fight. You just teleport to 4 bosses and kill them and that's it for 6 months.

WoW's method of making trash worth clearing is BoEs ("bind-on-equips"). Random drops that may or may not have good secondary stats or appearances, but they drop at the same item level as the boss loot from the same difficulty and if the secondaries are really just that bad, you can sell the BoE on the Auction House and make some quick gold. No idea if that sort of thing would go over well here with how formulaic and set in stone raid loot is in FF14, though, but I just want SOMETHING other than four generic arena shape bosses per tier. Doesn't even have to be Baldesion Arsenal-level complicated.

Hell, even a Faust-style DPS check prior to the second or third fight in the tier would make me happy at this point. ENOUGH with the glorified trials already.

[TheMightyMollusk]

As far as Duty Finder, I preferred the Alexander style. Just enough trash to give a warm-up and make sure everyone's awake before jumping into the boss fight. While I'd like to see longer full-party dungeons like the Coils, those feel more like something that should be done with an organized party, rather than whoever DF decides to throw together.

[Infindox]

I personally think Alexander was the correct mix. Some stuff to do before you get to the boss, then the boss.

Coils was fun but the problem is there's a few turns that are extremely boring and pointless. (looking at you Turn 3).

I liked Omega fights and I like Eden but they are definitely missing the fun of seeing that Faust Z do massive crit damage on the tank.

[Vyrerus]

I personally think Alexander was the correct mix. Some stuff to do before you get to the boss, then the boss.

Coils was fun but the problem is there's a few turns that are extremely boring and pointless. (looking at you Turn 3).

I liked Omega fights and I like Eden but they are definitely missing the fun of seeing that Faust Z do massive crit damage on the tank.

Hey... Turn 3 was fun... I mean if your raid group went silly with it like mine did >_> We always raced one another and tried to ignore all the trash except the golems, and then see who made it to the end first lol. Most people's issue with Turn 3 was that it was necessary to do to go to Turn 4, and you got absolutely nothing beyond that for the 5~10 minutes you spent going through it. I don't think you even got Tomes of Mythology, but it's been a long time.

[Infindox]

Hey... Turn 3 was fun... I mean if your raid group went silly with it like mine did >_> We always raced one another and tried to ignore all the trash except the golems, and then see who made it to the end first lol. Most people's issue with Turn 3 was that it was necessary to do to go to Turn 4, and you got absolutely nothing beyond that for the 5~10 minutes you spent going through it. I don't think you even got Tomes of Mythology, but it's been a long time.

To be fair, I had fun doing that recently with a new player in our fc who wanted to experience it, so I see your point