Has anyone done the math on Skyward points?

[Frizze]

My last trip into diadem the fishers were all chatting. Apparently theres a fish thats worth like 1500 points(so 3k if you double hook). That could have been a bot, or it could just be someone who really loves fishing.

[Mhaeric]

Fishing does indeed grant more points. Turn-ins for BTN/MNR start at 10 point for 10 items for the smallest items that grant points and cap out at 35 points for 10 items from the timed nodes. Fish start at 2 point per 1 item for the smallest one that grants points, and cap out at 1580 points for 1. The timed nodes grant 175 points per rare fish. You can gather BTN/MNR items a bit faster than you can get fish by fishing especially by killing mobs with the aethercannon, but it's not enough to offset the effect of good catches.

[AnimaAnimus]

now that is clearly a bot who is in diadem 24/7 unless fishing earns you far more points than botanist or miner.

There are 2 fish worth 1580 points, idk if they are timed, mooched, or what. But considering that the 1 fish is worth roughly 45 individual min or btn turn ins but I would say since that is still over 120 fish if they got 200k that they can't be all the hard to come by, they are no lifing it, which isn't a feasible for all but a select and very small few, or like you said, they are botting. Which is only a problem this is going to exasperate.

And I cannot believe ppl are defending this...well yeah I can its the forums....but all I am asking for is for rewards to be at least somewhat on par with effort.

[Brightamethyst]

The big point fish are mooched but don't seem to have any time or weather restrictions. They're not common, but not super rare either.

[Shadygrove]

In each of the four sky fishing locations there is one artisanal (white) fish. (It is always mooched - WRONG!!) Two are worth 1580, two are worth 150.

Edit: The 1580 fish are mooched. the 150 fish are straight catch. Using your GPs on identical cast and double hook you can get more points on the straight catch 150s than the mooched fish for the same time spent.

There is also one umbral (green) fish which is a weather dependent straight catch. they are worth 175.

Its easier to catch the mooched fish than the umbral fish.

[Espritduo]

Only two of the artisanal white fish are mooched. The 150 point ones are direct catches, but can be double hooked x3 and can be identical cast as well, which somewhat evens out their much lower payout. The 1580 fish are still the best ways to farm points, with the gobbie mask being the de facto winner of the bunch due to ease of isolating.

[Kaliesto]

Yeah I decided this wasn't worth it when I did the math too, F2P MMOs did this nonsense back in the dark ages.

It wasn't fun then, and it is not fun now.

I'm sorry devs, but you all really need to respect the person's time because we rather not be hooked up to this game for this one thing like it is life-support (and some of us rather be playing other games).

Clearly the only reason why some people managed to top rank (excluding Fisher which is the easiest) is probably nefarious in nature or clearly they don't care about their own health.

[ServerCollaps]

i love those 500k achievements, they finally offer sth to do in the game. Whats the point of being done with ishgard within 1 week? Lots of people did about 1 mil pts in 1 week during the tournament. The ones that crafted/gathered 24/7 even hit 2m+. So 500k within 1 week is even possible when you have a job + normal sleep pattern

[KageTokage]

Personally, I'm only going for the phase 2 specific achievements for the time being, since it's possible the point gains in later phases might be higher and there'll likely be new achievements to grind out on top of the existing ones.

[Espritduo]

Been grinding out the botany one and it is becoming apparent that the min/bot 500k is much slower than I was expecting. Seems like 15k is the average amount you can get out of a 3 hour run (20k should be possible with luck and absolute laser focus on just one class's node). 50k on average is what you can expect from a 3 hour fishing run once you know what you're doing. For crafting, averaging somewhere between the 375 and 800 point turnin rate for about 500 points, and getting 50k per 3 hours seems to be average. Doing the math, you've got a surprisingly even split of about 240 hours to get 500k in all 8 crafters and another ~240 hours to get 500k in min/bot/fish. Based on my mat acquisition so far, I should actually have enough mats from getting the gathering achievements to fully supply the crafting achievements with little to hopefully no gil spent in mats (crystals on the other hand...)

My gameplan is 50k per day for crafters and 20-25k per day on min/bot, with extra time on weekends to average one crafter per week and one DoL per two weeks. Fisher was already done during ranking, and my hope is to be done with this within 100 days and before 5.3 without sacrificing too much of my life to this. It's a helluva grind, but mentor roulette and hunt mounts are much worse.