Tanks Not Using Emnity Skill.In Dungeons

[Gemina]

I have seen a few cases where a tank who's level synched forgets that the synch turns off the stance. A friendly reminder is usually enough.

I'm guilty of this. Though the reminder usually comes by way of seeing a bunch of green dots in my enmity list ;p

But I agree, a nice reminder that their stance is off should be more than sufficient. It's not something I have to do too often though since I normally tank my roulettes. It has come up on occasion though, and it's never been an issue. They normally say something along the lines of "whups lol" and we carry on.

[lolicon09]

square can remedy this by adding a new trait to tanks that automatically turns tank stance on when your lvl 15 or above and make it so you cant turn it off

Or... Just kick the tank who doesn't want to tank? Reading the skill tooltips it's a player's responsibility anyway. If that player doesn't turn on His/her tank stance after being told 3 or more times, then no one should suffer from It. Just kick It and wait for someone who actually knows it's role

All tanks have, by default, in the HUD, a big ass gauge with an extremely obvious colorful way to tell you if your tank stance Is on. There's no fucking way a player can miss that. And if it does, then we can't really expect too much from It (especially when the game itself explains what It is when we unlock that skill)

[SannaR]

I had to move where i have my stance as I'd end up pulling big groups and accidentally turning it off during my aoe combo spam. The only time I've had other tanks steal hate from me is if they go out of their way to use provoke or they have better gear than I do even synced down. Now the thing I tend to see is tanks doing is not using cool downs or using provoke at odd times like on bosses when they clearly should have hate, but it's a boss that acts like the 2nd boss from Quarn. Or a boss that turns around to do a targeted move. That and never using reprisal like ever.

[VenKitsune]

SE can't do much to make it even more idiot proof than it already is. It's already taught in the hall of the novice. Just tell anyone who doesnt understand how it works...how it works. They dont listen? Then kick them, simple as that.

[Wolwosh]

Thats a horrible idea for content with 2 tanks...

[Pintsized]

Okay, I get it that new players sometimes don't know about the enmity skills even though the Training quest chain should have taught them, that's why I noted that the players doing this are not at the base level for the instance, they're at the sync level so likely this is not their first or second dungeon.

Also, I agree that the dropping of buffs when synced means you can easily forget to re-enable them at the start of a dungeon, I've done that myself at times, but that doesn't explain why the tank in the run my friend left turned it off after turning it on when prodded.

Thanks for the comments, I posted this in case there was a good reason why a tank who after turning this skill on would turn it off, or at times refusing to do so after being asked more than once, would turn it off; the answer seems to be the obvious 'no'.

[LaylaTsarra]

I run tons of content and this rarely happens. When it does it's usually a new to tanking person. Generally when that happens they'll turn it on after being told they should.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I have a tank enmity-related question that I suppose here is as good as anywhere, and may sound horribly noobish, as I'm not a tank player, usually. Say I am the off tank in a trial, and the main tank obviously has their enmity on. Do I bother turning mine on at all during the fight, save for any adds that appear? I only ask because I've been told in trial to do so by some, and not to do so by others, leaving me somewhat confused and second guessing myself. >.<

Generally what I do if someone else wants to main on these is turn mine on after they do 2-3 enmity rotations. Aside from that there really isn't any reason for either tank to turn it off due to provoke and shirk since it no longer penalizes damage output.

[Barraind]

It has to do with how searches work.

If you're new to tanking and search "how to tank better in ff14" all but 2 results on the first page say to go into tank stance to pull threat and then drop tank stance. The two from post-shb dont say the skill changed, and the only one that mentions tank stance at all is buried in a reddit comment. If you're actually wanting to be prepared going in, you'll get significantly outdated information that was all correct for it's time, but isnt now.

What would be fantastic is if tank stances didnt drop on level sync.

[Thestias]

I don't tank much anymore, but I'm absolutely guilty of going through entire dungeons with tank stance off because I always forget that syncing lower toggles it and, unlike when I'm playing astro and half of my abilities depend on having a sect on, there's nothing dependent on it to remind me that I don't have it on unless someone says something to me lol. I always try to double-check but sometimes I get too excited and just...don't, rip