All healers need to have a corresponding (maybe limited) job just like SMN/SCH.

[Penthea]

The issue with healer is that some stuff takes quite a while to kill and it's a lot of time spent spamming one button. Especially some solos are just absolutely horrid.

Yes this one I agree with, there is definitely a very noticeable gap between the time it takes to kill something as the different roles. But this isn't an "I need more buttons" issue. This is a numbers issue.

But at the same time we have to remember that we are healers. Our kit is intended for support, so this is where our strengths lie. It would be nice to have a damage increase but the line between a balanced buff and making healers an op solo role can be very thin.

I'm personally okay with solo questing how it is. The combat isn't super engaging most of the time but it doesn't bother me because the story keeps me interested, the music is wonderful and the zones look amazing.

[SamRF]

When I quest as a dps nothing stays alive long enough for me to feel like the act of dpsing is engaging.

Do I find it more engaging than questing as a healer? Not really because in both cases I can just auto pilot in combat. For me it's the story and the solo duties that make questing engaging. Not the combat in normal solo quests when I have to kill 5 things or whatever.

I see what you mean but I disagree. Healer dps just doesn't feel engaging in general, like on a dummy for example. It's the same animation and same button over and over again. It feels monotone. Even if healer would get a 1-2-3 combo instead of 1 button, which doesn't really add any complexity, it would feel more engaging, heck even if just the animation would change after each dps it would imo feel more engaging even though you're still doing same "rotation". With dps/tank jobs there is first of all variety of dps animations and you also have to to be on lookout for your cooldowns/dots/procs, and kind of feels good when you gotta kill 1 mob and you can pop all your dps cooldowns for burst.

[Penthea]

I see what you mean but I disagree. Healer dps just doesn't feel engaging in general, like on a dummy for example. It's the same animation and same button over and over again. It feels monotone.

Which is how healing on smn and rdm feels. Even if they had the mana to sustain doing it for a long time, it would be super boring. I don't expect healing on those classes to be interesting, much like how I don't expect dpsing on a healer to be interesting.

However I do note the difference that the opportunity for healers to dps does arise all the time, unlike healing as a rdm or smn. I am merely pointing out how things look when you flip the argument on to dps classes with healing built in.

Even if healer would get a 1-2-3 combo instead of 1 button, which doesn't really add any complexity, it would feel more engaging,

This would only work if casting support abilities wouldn't break the combo, and if the period in which you have time to finish the combo is fairly long to allow for periods of time when the healer must heal a lot, otherwise it would feel punishing to play your main role and that is not a good thing. If all this was the case I would welcome something like your suggestion.

With dps/tank jobs there is first of all variety of dps animations and you also have to to be on lookout for your cooldowns/dots/procs, and kind of feels good when you gotta kill 1 mob and you can pop all your dps cooldowns for burst.

I feel that to go as far as giving healers major dps cds for personal burst similar to the other roles would be going into the realms of becoming a hybrid. Which would be OP. It would be fun, but I don't see it happening

[SamRF]

Which is how healing on smn and rdm feels. Even if they had the mana to sustain doing it for a long time, it would be super boring. I don't expect healing on those classes to be interesting, much like how I don't expect dpsing on a healer to be interesting.

However I do note the difference that the opportunity for healers to dps does arise all the time, unlike healing as a rdm or smn. I am merely pointing out how things look when you flip the argument on to dps classes with healing built in.



This would only work if casting support abilities wouldn't break the combo, and if the period in which you have time to finish the combo is fairly long to allow for periods of time when the healer must heal a lot, otherwise it would feel punishing to play your main role and that is not a good thing. If all this was the case I would welcome something like your suggestion.



I feel that to go as far as giving healers major dps cds for personal burst similar to the other roles would be going into the realms of becoming a hybrid. Which would be OP. It would be fun, but I don't see it happening

No those were arguments against saying that all roles are equally unengaging in solo combat, I wasn't at all arguing for healers to have all that.

Which is also why I wanted all healers to have a corresonding job so you can use another role in solo content and switch back to healer for instances. Now I do personally wish healers had a more complex dps rotation, but didn't make arguments for that in this thread.

Edit: upon rereading your reply, could be that you're just giving your thoughts on what I posted instead of countering them, my apologies if that was the case and you can ignore this reply then.

[Penthea]

No those were arguments against saying that all roles are equally unengaging in solo combat, I wasn't at all arguing for healers to have all that.

Which is also why I wanted all healers to have a corresonding job so you can use another role in solo content and switch back to healer for instances. Now I do personally wish healers had a more complex dps rotation, but didn't make arguments for that in this thread.

Edit: upon rereading your reply, could be that you're just giving your thoughts on what I posted instead of countering them, my apologies if that was the case and you can ignore this reply then.

Yes I was only giving my thoughts, not really presenting an argument as such. Don't worry about it

[Keddera_StormMoon]

You decided to keep both jobs geared and learn both jobs simultaneously, when you can do only one of them instead, and struggled from it. That's entirely your doing, it's not the class design's fault.

More like I wanted to main SUM, but the DPS cues sucked and I realized the game needed healers.

You're welcome.

[Haxaan]

I low key still wonder what the game would be like now if they had continued down the split class/job road. I think this could have opened up a lot of possibilities for jobs we don't have. White Mage and Geomancer, Summoner and Scholar, Astrologian and Time Mage, Warrior and Berserker, Bard and Ranger, Machinist and Medic/Chemist, Black Mage and Necromancer. If done correctly we could see similar themes with different sides from every job. I think it would have been a really interesting idea to expand on, however I know it will never happen, and probably for good reason. Though, I can't help but wonder what could have been.