SCH and the lack of impactful abilities, just me?

[MPNZ]

Can I ask if you have a source for that? I'm genuinely curious since I kept hearing the same thing in 4.0 as to why SCH got the shortest straws, but looking at the history I can't seem to make it fit that they'd be hard to work with. SMN and SCH has gotten different stuff indepdent of their roots since 3.0, and neither of SCH or SMNs new stuff had "ACN" as eligble job. Though it had the odd stuff in HW when Broil had to be manually swapped with Ruin under level 52.

5.0 really struck as the big ACN divorce, with only shared responsibility of Ressurection, and with that breakup we got the uncomplimentary stuff like losing AF and ED at level 30 then relearning them at level 45.

I'm curious for previous mentions of Scholar in older interviews to try and paint a picture of how SE sees the job because if they care about anything beyond the massive amount of oGCD cooldowns lining up with orchestrated raid dancing steps it's hard to imagine they care.

I'm really sorry, but I usually don't like keep bookmarks of the live letters or interviews once I've finished reading them

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Someone already said it, but it's important to keep in mind the differences of each job and how their kits work for them. If you look at each job plainly, it's easy to see how one jab may have more heals than another. What you're not seeing is how the job with less heals has more usage of said heals or it's more optimal to use.

That being said, it does feel like SCH is lacking in anything really impactful. But that's mainly because instead of pressing one button for massive results, their power is spread evenly through their entire kit. Using Seraph by itself is really not that impressive, but using Seraph, and then critting an adloquium or succor suddenly feels really good. And I would argue it's actually more impactful then what a WHM or AST could do.

[Mhaeric]

also why do fairy have a cast time and cost MP while Egi do not?

Summoner egi were changed to have explicit purposes and are now designed to be switched between on the fly. E.g. garudi for trash and ifrit for bosses or single targets. They were made instant cast with a longer cd to accommodate this. Scholar pets are identical so they never need to be swapped on the fly and kept the cast time with faster cool down.

[Mahrze]

My biggest gripe with SCH is that it comes to a point that I don't have enough skills to spend resources if the content I am doing is going smoothly. I don't do anything particularly difficult since I am a filthy casual and whatnot. But even in something like The Grand Cosmos or The Copied Factory. If everyone is playing well and very few hits are taken; I am stuck with an overflow of resources that I don't know what to do with them at one point. And this is not something I notice on SCH only, but I digress.

[Deceptus]

SCH should be about Shields and the faerie, they pushed the faerie a little towards the forefront which is great, but SCH still only has one kind of "base" shield, Sacred Soil and Seraph aside. The Faerie needs more integration and SCH needs another stacking shield.

Well technically they did have a second stacking shield with Galvanize and Catalize. It's at least something they could use in the future.

[Eloah]

Well technically they did have a second stacking shield with Galvanize and Catalize. It's at least something they could use in the future.

This is true, but that was changed more to prevent critlo spreads. What I'm referencing is something like the updated Celestial Opposition. Seraph was a nice addition with stackable shields, but she isn't as "available" as some other skills, given her main function. I remember saying a while back to give Selene a Shielding skill, though that might be a bit moot now. Plus, while attaching it to a faerie skill sounds reasonable, how would it play out. Should it be a regular oGCD or use the Fey gauge? There are a bunch of things to consider so it doesn't feel like adding it in just for the sake of adding it. The Fey Gauge wasn't the worst gauge added, but you have to admit, compared to some others, it was a pretty weak addition.

[NobleWinter]

Fey Blessing definitely feels horrible to use even if it is gorgeous. I wish it left a healing up buff on the party or something. It just feels so lacking right now. The cool down is weird. The Fey Guage cost is weird. Being locked out when Seraph is summoned is weird. Not being able to use it outside combat is weird since it's locked behind Aetherflow. When you said Scholar doesn't feel impactful that was the first thing to come to mind. Am I the only one who feels like Scholar needs a new personal spell to use instead of more fairy abilities?

[EpicOverlord85]

Fey Blessing definitely feels horrible to use even if it is gorgeous. I wish it left a healing up buff on the party or something. It just feels so lacking right now. The cool down is weird. The Fey Guage cost is weird. Being locked out when Seraph is summoned is weird. Not being able to use it outside combat is weird since it's locked behind Aetherflow. When you said Scholar doesn't feel impactful that was the first thing to come to mind. Am I the only one who feels like Scholar needs a new personal spell to use instead of more fairy abilities?

Personally I feel the Fairy should be restored to how it functioned in Stormblood, Selene and all. She used to feel like an extension of ourselves, being able to weave her abilities with ours while casting and knowing she could handle healing, but that’s not so m us h the case anymore sadly.

[Jandor]

As it was brought up, I'm not a fan of the divorce between SCH and SMN.

I felt the whole "DoT Mage" thing was more SCH than SMN and that SMN got it because of SCH and not the other way around. FFXI SCH was a DoT mage as it had the most powerful DoT's in the game. The whole 'plague' thing is closer to SCH's lore than it is SMN's too. And SMN has grown to be more Bahamut and Phoenix mage focused than a DoT Mage, which makes sense because SMN's background is that it is meant to be more pet focused.

Always felt the same about the disease based DoT's and SCH/SMN.

If they were to ever split them properly then Arcanist should be given the minor tweaks required to turn it into a healer class that levels into the Scholar job, while Summoner would get to be a HW style level 30 classless job.
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[Deceptus]

My biggest issue with SCH currently is all three of their "Capstone" abilities contradict each other.

Dissipation removes their entire Job Identity and you can't gain Fairy Gauge while it's gone.

Atherpact is useless if Dissipation is used or Seraph is used.

Seraph is largely unrewarding in general.