Tanking feels unimportant

[Lucy_Pyre]

I see more DRKs in the game but that's more of how mainstream it is and how overrated it is this expansion(though that be due to the repercussions of Story and level jump books on the Mogstation), and right now the only that is designed to sell level jump books is an achievement that gives you a mount for getting all jobs to 80...

Dark Knight is about as far and away as is possible from being overrated in its current state. It's the reigning kind of mitigation by a very significant margin and its extreme popularity and favor in Alexander ultimate goes to show just how desired the job is.

[Mithia]

DRK is insane right now, the only reason why they are shunned in PuG's is because of Living Dead, and the lack of a WHM can make it tricky to top then off again.

But hey, that's the price you have to pay for some unique Job flair.

You can differentiate a good tank from a bad tank in any form of content quite easily, be it at the pace they pull in dungeons paired with efficient use of CD's to the positioning of the boss in savage content to provide more uptime for the melee. Ultimate content is a story of its own.

So yes, good tanks are still "important" since they provide smooth runs, of course, those smooth runs also depend on the healers and dps their capabilities.

[Nedkel]

I see more DRKs in the game but that's more of how mainstream it is and how overrated it is this expansion(though that be due to the repercussions of Story and level jump books on the Mogstation), and right now the only that is designed to sell level jump books is an achievement that gives you a mount for getting all jobs to 80...

Overrated for over 7 months?
I like the current drk because i find him in a sweet spot between gameplay, its not exactly warrior and its not pld or gnb, does not have a set in stone rotation and its fairly flexible in gameplay. Its second most popular tank for a reason.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Overrated for over 7 months?
I like the current drk because i find him in a sweet spot between gameplay, its not exactly warrior and its not pld or gnb, does not have a set in stone rotation and its fairly flexible in gameplay. Its second most popular tank for a reason.

To be fair it might be more my Heavensward Nostalgia talking when I say DRK is overrated this expansion, because it was overhyped because of the CG trailer, and if you were a DRK main that watched the media tour info from various people on Youtube, you more than likely very Angry and/or disappointed if you were around since ARR/Heavensward and people who joined around for Stromblood, DRK mains from Stormblood were probably having mixed feelings, and new people who just joining picked DRK because it was the job of the expansion and didn't know better or simply just didn't care that they were going to play a *** job/class.

This expansion it's basically ARR PLD that thinks it's a WAR with a greatsword given the spammy nature it has this expansion. And a lot of people hate ARR PLD because of "Spam Flash, 1-2-3" rotation and the only tank that doesn't have that problem is GNB(though if going through older content Synced GNB also has the 1-2-3 only problem). From level 26 to cap, tanks should be having more combos for single target, but they don't, they only have just the one combo unless you're GNB, or PLD that has 1 ender variation in their 1 combo and has more depth to their gameplay than WAR and DRK combined. And WAR's Storm's Eye buff is basically DRKs "Darkside buff" and the gains from those buffs are pathetic because any kind of damage up buff that is less than 20% is pathetic and 15% is kinda pushing how low you can get with damage up buffs.


The only thing people would praise DRK for is The Blackest Night, but even then the way the re-worked it is insulting...

[shao32]

DRK is indeed the overrated job of the expansion, the marketing around it is pretty strong any new player just jump at it while the veterans are forced to move to another job for his poor and lame rework, every time I see someone asking what tank you play and why every DRK say they play DRK for TBN taking 0 damage, every single one of them and meaby add summon Fray, wich is normal since TBN is basically busted, is the same when PPL play WAR in the past and say fell cleave, plus most of the new DRK are migrated WARs playing the same job.

[BarretOblivion]

DRK is overrated this expansion. Its the 'king' of mitigation is a stretch when its not a necessary title in Savage with how few tankbusters and mitigation requirements are in Savage. The reason why its being played right now is Alex mainly due to it having 1 extra CD than all other tanks and the fact that in 1/2 of the fight it can pad its numbers by an insane degree due to double hits.

Its damage though is not worth the playstlye requirement of DRK on single target, its too low for what you need to put into it and should be on the higher side of tanks with GNB, not the worst without party buffs.

[Lucy_Pyre]

DRK is overrated this expansion. Its the 'king' of mitigation is a stretch when its not a necessary title in Savage with how few tankbusters and mitigation requirements are in Savage. The reason why its being played right now is Alex mainly due to it having 1 extra CD than all other tanks and the fact that in 1/2 of the fight it can pad its numbers by an insane degree due to double hits.

Its damage though is not worth the playstlye requirement of DRK on single target, its too low for what you need to put into it and should be on the higher side of tanks with GNB, not the worst without party buffs.

Ah, I see you weren't content to make a fool of yourself in the WAR thread, you had to come do it here as well. Well, let's start off shall we? First of all, no. So long as DRK remains the reigning champion of mitigation that it is it deserves absolutely zero damage buffs. Simply put, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If something is topping the board in defense while being just below the same in damage, we like to call that overpowered. Because you see, if that were the case then bringing a DRK to every single raid would be entirely mandatory, regardless of comp. So as things currently stand DRK is frankly perfectly fine. It tops the charts in mitigation, outright breaking the chart in some situations as well, and it compensates for that with its sub-par DPS compared to PLD and GNB. This is something called balance and it is very important for the game's health.

On a side note, no the "king of mitigation" is anything but a stretch. It's the simple truth of the matter, and why you are so incapable of accepting the reality of the situation is entirely beyond me, and likely many others. Really, nothing is "necessary" in savage beyond 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS. So long as you meet those criteria you can mostly do whatever you want with the actual comp and jobs within them because the game is, barring a select few outliers, fairly well balanced in its current state.

[BarretOblivion]

Ah, I see you weren't content to make a fool of yourself in the WAR thread, you had to come do it here as well. Well, let's start off shall we? First of all, no. So long as DRK remains the reigning champion of mitigation that it is it deserves absolutely zero damage buffs. Simply put, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If something is topping the board in defense while being just below the same in damage, we like to call that overpowered. Because you see, if that were the case then bringing a DRK to every single raid would be entirely mandatory, regardless of comp. So as things currently stand DRK is frankly perfectly fine. It tops the charts in mitigation, outright breaking the chart in some situations as well, and it compensates for that with its sub-par DPS compared to PLD and GNB. This is something called balance and it is very important for the game's health.

On a side note, no the "king of mitigation" is anything but a stretch. It's the simple truth of the matter, and why you are so incapable of accepting the reality of the situation is entirely beyond me, and likely many others. Really, nothing is "necessary" in savage beyond 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS. So long as you meet those criteria you can mostly do whatever you want with the actual comp and jobs within them because the game is, barring a select few outliers, fairly well balanced in its current state.

Hiding under a rock for months then jump in to a thread I have been in for those months and saying that makes you look foolish, bud. No one cares about how "DRK is the king" in mit if a healer still has to heal the same thing with very slight differences. Why is the top tank being played still GNB and PLD? They consistantly do better with DRK behind them. DRK is a better playstyle than WAR, you will have no arguments about that from anyone who has played either of the tanks. It just feels like TO ME (OPINION) that DRK should be on the higher side of the damaging tanks for the effort you put in over PLD being close to as braindead as WAR.

You know who doesn't like DRK? Healers. Because Living Dead is still a thing. If you have a WHM its fine, if you don't there are *groans* going out or sighs because say hello to dumping all your resources at X time to full heal a ticking time bomb and then being left with far less skills to OGCD the tanks for a while which could result in lower damage if the DRK isn't using TBN on cooldown (which I see most don't as a flex tank).

Because of Living Dead, I cannot give the title to best mitigation to DRK, that invuln is a gigantic flaw because of instant death without a WHM being a real possiblity.

[Nedkel]

Actually drk is second most popular tank in savage eden and ult alexander first most popular in alliance raid, normal eden and hades extreme.
So i am more than sure there is a ton of people who do care about drk. Gnb is not top played tank.

[Lucy_Pyre]

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You are more than allowed to have an opinion, and opinions are entirely capable of being objectively incorrect; which is the case with yours. Healers have to heal DRK significantly less over the course of a fight than any other tank, with the only one comparable to this being WAR with Nascent Flash, however because Nascent Flash's healing is entirely based upon the damage the WAR deals, and WAR only deals high damage as select intervals, they still trail significantly far behind the DRK in the long run. As for your first point, GNB is not one of the "top tanks", it's PLD and DRK which you would be aware of if you took even half a second to look at the number of logged kills for all tanks in Eden savage and Alexander ultimate. Why is this the case? It's quite simple really. Because PLD deals very high damage, second best of the tanks, while having extremely high amounts of party utility, and DRK while being tied with WAR for the lowest tank DPS is, as has been explained to you countless times by now, beats every other tank in terms of mitigation by a mile.

The only point you have is LD being annoying to deal with if your comp doesn't have a WHM, which is a valid point, but not nearly so to the extent that you think it is. Both AST and SCH have access to good burst healing and working together it should take no more than 2 GCDs combined to heal the DRK to full and cleanse Walking Dead, leaving both healers with still plenty of resources left. You are significantly stretching the truth for how difficult it is to handle Living Dead without a WHM. Even with that said, however, it would still be nothing but a positive change for LD to function differently, and simply make Walking Dead a 10 second long debuff where you can't be killed, which then removes itself after 10 seconds have passed, removing the healing component entirely. This would be good for both DRK and healers, as DRK would no longer be liable to have their immunity removed after 0.5s by a gung-ho WHM and healers would no longer have to stress at all about keeping the DRK from dropping dead on the floor for simply using their most powerful cooldown.