Thread: How in the *seven hells* did Martyn learn these spells? [BLU Lv.50~60 SPOILERS]

Originally Posted by Alleo

Just give everyone a blue mage soul stone and let them fight against simulations and thus everyone is suddenly all that powerful.

Well, that's exactly what we are doing here.

Again, Martyn himself doesn't need to beat them. We know that we can also learn spells from totems, right? And we know that all those Primals were beaten in the past. Now, wouldn't it be enough if the Whalaqees were around at that time, recorded everything they had seen and made a totem? If so, maybe Martyn had access to those totems when he was studying the Whalaqees.

From how i understood it there are actually three ways tempering can happen.

1: The usual way where the Primal does it on purpose, this being the most common.

2: The initial burst of aether when the Primal is first summoned, unlike the first this is not voluntary, notably this happened with Ramuh. Though in this case it's typically only the summoners who are affected.

3: Spending a prolonged period of time in an area heavily saturated with the Primals aether. Not really a problem in the short-term, you'd need to hang around for some time before hitting the point of no return. And some people are more or less vulnerable than others, presumably based on their own aetheric levels and quality of their soul, so that guy who can barely manage a basic spell without killing himself via aether exhaustion would get screwed way faster than the average person for example (So people like that one brother of the Thaumaturge guild group who could not join due to being too aetherically weak for it would be the first to go if you dropped him in such an area along with a bunch of average individuals)

That last one is kinda like a radiation hazard, except the body will eventually normalize and dispose of the radiation once you leave the danger zone instead of it sticking around and continuing to build up to more and more dangerous levels with future exposure. And the consequence of too much exposure is tempering rather than radiation sickness or cancer.

I believe there is a Sahagin beast tribe quest that has you freeing prisoners, and some of them have been passively tempered in this manner due to being tied up in the deeper parts of the area that Leviathan messed up. They shout something about the glory of their god when you untie them and force you to put them down. Meanwhile others of the same group of prisoners who have presumably been there for about the same span of time are just fine and able to run for it after thanking you for freeing them. So varying levels of tolerance depending on the individual.

I would assume Martyn, or any job trainer for that matter, to be on the upper end of the spectrum in terms of "How long can i safely spend in the middle of this Primals domain/Aether Radiation hazard zone before the messed up background aether messes up my own aether past the point of no return?"

Stealth would mean no possibility of the first occuring due to the Primal not knowing he's even there, the second ain't happening since he's not into Primal Summoning, and the third would require sitting around in the middle of the "Primal Radioactive Fallout Zone" for days like a dumbass instead of observing Arenvald and the gang disposing of the latest summoning from a distance and then buggering out. That would account for at least some of the Primal skills. I blame the Minstrel or the New World natives for the ones that can't be explained by "I stalked Arenvald, Fordola and the rest when they fought the Primal last time, then got the heck out of dodge after observing from a safe-ish distance and learning the skill that way"

But hey, that's just what it's looking like to me.

OK, well I finally got around to playing the new quests (partly at least), and Martyn specifically states that he traveled to Ishgard to learn the new spells he showed off, including Quasar... That is something of a wrench in the works for a lot of theories, although it's still entirely possible that he took an Airship from Ishgard to Azys Lla. So I guess I'm throwing my hat in with the idea that he simply got access to the Triad training program in Azys Lla to learn skills from them that way. Perhaps tweaked the difficulty. Simplest answer at this point, and it's not like hacking Allagan Nodes is rocket science (a drunk kettle maker seems to have no trouble with it). And Azys Lla is not under tight lock and key, we even have a whole dungeon in which random groups of Skypirates and an Ixali make their way there...

It's pretty clear what happened.

Phase 1: He decided he wanted new spells.

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: He learned Quasar.

What's so hard to understand?