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  1. #11
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    Liam_Harper's Avatar
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    I just want to point out this can actually be a very bad thing, because of how Regen generates hate - not only does it generate a surprisingly large amount of it, every tick of HP it restores on the target it actually is sending the hate created back onto you the healer, so if you cast it before the tank pulls it can actually backfire in causing the enemy to ignore the tank completely and start munching on you instead, which can be compounded even more with normal healing and DPSing.
    This was certainly true in SB but it's not as much of an issue anymore.

    Healer emnity from overheals was significantly reduced for 5.0 and tank emnity is now bonkers, so as long as the tank pulls with basically anything a full Regen won't even budge emnity. It's only an issue if the tank fails to get an initial hit on dungeon trash by simply running into them to pick them up and lets the mob rush over to the healer.
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  2. #12
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    Dawni Fiero
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    Yeah the only time I'll ever get regen aggro as an AST/WHM is if the tank literally doesn't hit the mob at all as they're sprinting past it(e.g. poor cleaves, or the infamous "single target rotation" tanks). While there's no reason to pre-regen the tanks, popping it on them while they're collecting things should typically be perfectly fine.
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  3. #13
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    Jhuno Whatt
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    Quote Originally Posted by RopeDrink View Post
    It's good practice to utilize your oGCD's early and allow yourself to build up some Lillies.

    Can you clairfy what you mean ? I thought the Lily based spells were the off global cooldowns bar Tetra which can only be used every 60 seconds( i dont follow all the terms people use for things sorry).

    When Im starting a dungeon I have no lilys as they are reset when porting into the instance so I will Div Ben:shield,( maybe asylum if after a few pulls the tank takes big hits all the time),regen and always use holys to stun and get in a damage free cure 2 in (maybe pop plen indulge before cure 3 if im nervous the grp is gonna take cleaves or aoe) whilst a lily is generated. Ive always experienced tanks in dungeons after ARR taking big hits during pulls so i have to be on point with holy stun + cure 2 casts so thats how i approach most of my initial healing.

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    Last edited by Izar_Chillen; 12-07-2019 at 09:57 PM. Reason: changed cure 3 to cure 2

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    Niadissa Nelhah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen View Post
    Can you clairfy what you mean ? I thought the Lily based spells were the off global cooldowns bar Tetra which can only be used every 60 seconds( i dont follow all the terms people use for things sorry).

    When Im starting a dungeon I have no lilys as they are reset when porting into the instance so I will Div Ben:shield,( maybe asylum if after a few pulls the tank takes big hits all the time),regen and always use holys to stun and get in a damage free cure 2 in (maybe pop plen indulge before cure 3 if im nervous the grp is gonna take cleaves or aoe) whilst a lily is generated. Ive always experienced tanks in dungeons after ARR taking big hits during pulls so i have to be on point with holy stun + cure 2 casts so thats how i approach most of my initial healing.

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    Basically what I suspect they meant, is to focus on using your oGCD's while lillies charge up. Lillies are no longer used up by tetra or Assize, they are only used for the Afflatus skills. Lillies charge passively while in combat.
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Lots of good advice in this thread!
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    Jhuno Whatt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niadissa View Post
    Basically what I suspect they meant, is to focus on using your oGCD's while lillies charge up. Lillies are no longer used up by tetra or Assize, they are only used for the Afflatus skills. Lillies charge passively while in combat.
    Ok thank you. I do use Tet and assize during holy stun cure 2 initial heals and check with the tank if they want me to start with holys ( due to the stun) or wait till they have used up their cool-downs like rampart. Most seem to not mind the holy stun at the start of engagement.
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