Thread: [SPOILER] 3.0 PLOT Question about the Ascians and King Thordan I

Can I ask which part of MSQ mentioned it? "but I think I remember it being said somewhere that Ratatoskr was the one to revel how important dragon's eyes were to King Thordan I."

So it turns out I was not mistaken. Ratatoskr was indeed the person who revealed to King Thordan I where dragons' strength was. However, it's not in any quest in the game as far as I can tell. Where it is, is in Lore Book I one the page of Dragon bios.

Originally Posted by Page 206 of Lore Book 1

Of the first brood, she was perhaps the most curious, and worked passionately to establish a lasting peace with man. Alas, she did not fathom the depth of mortals' avarice, and rashly revealed to King Thordan the secret of the wyrms' power. Emboldened, the regent would ultimately betray Ratatoskr's trust and slay the wyrm for her eyes and the strength they might provide.

Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I like to think Square knows better that to follow that same pitfall.

The moment it was revealed that the Garleans - the ONLY other significant threat besides the Ascians - was ALSO an Acsian plot, I lost faith in this. No, I think SE is VERY MUCH content to lay every problem at the feet of the Ascians, and my eyeballs are primed to start a-rollin' at the next Secret Ascian Plot reveal.

Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Did the Dragonsong War lead to lots of primals being summoned, or make a calamity happen?
No? Then it probably wasn't the Ascians behind that. The Ascians don't make trouble just to make trouble. They make trouble in order to trigger calamaties and the associated rejoinings.

The Ascians aren't perfect. Not every plot they engage in has to successfully result in a Calamity. They likely have their eggs in many baskets, stirring the pot wherever and whenever they can, and when one pot looks ready to boil over, they start priming a Shard for a Calamity.

I'm not saying I WANT Thordan's misbehavin' to be the result of Ascian meddling. Just saying that the fact that it didn't wind up triggering a Calamity isn't sufficient reason to dismiss the possibility. I'd suggest that the POTENTIAL for a Calamity was there; if more of the First Brood than just Nidhogg had been stirred to war, and if they'd been interested in expanding the war beyond Ishgard, things could indeed have reached calamitous proportions.

Originally Posted by Nalien

That really makes it seem like Ascians were poisoning Nidhoggs ear, rather than Thordan I, if he was pretty much spouting word-for-word the same sort of rhetoric Emet threw our way... Certainly nothing definitive there, but it's not like it's unheard of for Dragons to buy into Ascians words during hard times, and I do somewhat love the idea of Emet opting to throw a Dragon motif on his crown, not in some traditional sense of symbolism for great beasts (in reality we do that with things like Lions, fantasy setting substitutes Dragons), but as more of a vindictive nod to how completely and utterly he has played them over the eras... They are, after all, aliens to his star... I can see the Ascians taking their continued occupation rather personally...

I saw it more as showing parallels between Emet-Selch and Nidhogg: unsundered beings that viewed the sundered mortals as "weak".