Thread: 5.1 Crafting/Gathering Changes Feedback

Originally Posted by Maxsdad

Is there anything you don't complain about?

You literally resurrected a dead thread of over a month ago just to complain about someone complaining? That's some high level complaining.

Old thread, but since it was already resurrected I'll reply, if only to correct potential misinformation.

Originally Posted by Tlamila

And I hugely agree on the xp. I'm happy it got faster, but this is just ridicolous. Not only the gear, but also the job quests are impossible to keep up with now. And 60+ for the quests you absolutely need to craft/gather the item/s yourself (you can't even cheat it by buying it on mb) and for that indeed you need the right gear. I got to the point with GSM where I need 1030 craftmanship to craft the quest item, and with my current gear I only had 500. I spent all the money I had to buy the best gear for that level and still it's only 600 or something. I assume the quests want your gear always up to date with melds and all at that level, and scrips gear, but with this levelling speed it's impossible. The only thing I can think of is to leave all the job skills behind and just get to 80 and seriously gear up there, but that would be so annoying...

At no point do the quest items require a particular level of craftmanship. They have certain recommendations, and although the recommendations for the low 60s quest items are a bit higher than what you can get with unmelded on-level gear, the recipes are easy enough that you can successfully craft them with lower stats. Compared to normal recipes of the same level the quest items only require about two thirds of the progress and quality, but for some reason the craftsmanship recommendation is the same.

Another thing is that a full set of HQ Lv63 crafter gear without melds gives 923 craftsmanship, not 600-something like you say. Even an NQ set gives 816 craftsmanship, and can be obtained from NPC vendors for 226k gil. That should be more than enough to craft the required items. In fact, the previous tier should be enough, given that the quests hand out gear of their own level as reward. I certainly didn't have any trouble crafting the items for the quests back in 4.2 or something, and I was pretty prudent with my gear upgrades.

Originally Posted by tdb

Old thread, but since it was already resurrected I'll reply, if only to correct potential misinformation.


At no point do the quest items require a particular level of craftmanship. They have certain recommendations, and although the recommendations for the low 60s quest items are a bit higher than what you can get with unmelded on-level gear, the recipes are easy enough that you can successfully craft them with lower stats. Compared to normal recipes of the same level the quest items only require about two thirds of the progress and quality, but for some reason the craftsmanship recommendation is the same.

Another thing is that a full set of HQ Lv63 crafter gear without melds gives 923 craftsmanship, not 600-something like you say. Even an NQ set gives 816 craftsmanship, and can be obtained from NPC vendors for 226k gil. That should be more than enough to craft the required items. In fact, the previous tier should be enough, given that the quests hand out gear of their own level as reward. I certainly didn't have any trouble crafting the items for the quests back in 4.2 or something, and I was pretty prudent with my gear upgrades.

Leaving anything else you said aside, the gear was full lvl 63 vendor gear. I didn't make up those stats.

And it was resurrected a month ago, so you're resurrecting it again.

Originally Posted by Tlamila

Leaving anything else you said aside, the gear was full lvl 63 vendor gear. I didn't make up those stats.

Are you sure you didn't miss some piece? Looking at a database I see these stats:
High Steel primary tool (Lv62): 262 craftsmanship
High Steel secondary tool: 278
Ruby Cotton Coatee: 239
Ruby Cotton Bottoms: 11
Gyuki Leather Shoes: 11
Larch Earrings: 5
Larch Necklace: 5
Larch Bracelets: 5
(I've omitted the items that give zero craftsmanship)
Total: 816

You did say you spent all your money so I could understand if you skipped the tools, seeing how they are different for each class and as such it costs a pretty big chunk of gil to buy them all. Without tools it wouldn't qualify as full Lv63 set though.

I think the primary issue here is that the craftsmanship recommendation of the quest items is way overtuned considering their actual difficulty. It should below 700, not 1039. Heck, the progression is just weird overall. It goes from 1006 on Lv61 recipes to 1079 on Lv70 items. Meanwhile the craftsmanship given by vendor gear goes from 667 at Lv61 to 1069 at Lv70, and the progress required for crafting the items goes from 1116 to 2952. I'd advise you to just ignore the requirement and see if you can actually craft the item. The Stormblood quest items are particularly safe to experiment with since you get new materials for free if you fail.

Originally Posted by Tlamila

And it was resurrected a month ago, so you're resurrecting it again.

More like slightly over a week before my post. And given the low amount of traffic on this sub-forum it was still halfway through the first page.