MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[Chie_M]

Since this Moogle event started, every single run I've been in has had someone skipping. Is it honestly that hard to just tab out for a few minutes? Sheesh.

[RyuSaarva]

Balance it for 4 people and call it a day.

Or allow squadrons to be able to run it.

it's already balanced for 2 people but square is going to make it a solo instance and remove the roulette, you can thank yourselves for that.

[RoyalBeef]

I'm sure you know best the feeling of doing something and being disliked for it.

Nah, you guys love me, and I don't blame you

[Vnolan]

it's already balanced for 2 people but square is going to make it a solo instance and remove the roulette, you can thank yourselves for that.

Should have been done long ago. What happens if a new player accidentally skips the cutscene?

[Enla]

Should have been done long ago. What happens if a new player accidentally skips the cutscene?

You warn them about how it's reportable and leave it at that. The method involved is convoluted enough that most newbies are unlikely to stumble across it accidentally anyways.

[MariaArvana]

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You can justify it however you like or downplay it, but they do have the tools and can use them if the situation escalates enough.

(Read: An LB giving 50% damage up literally breaking the difficulty of their content, forcing the devs to play their hand and using those exact tools and statistics to place temp bans on many people who used the exploit, even just out of fun.)

The cutscene lock took a while to be implemented, despite it being an ongoing problem for many months - years as well. Just saying, any day now you can wake up to a lovely email informing your character has been banned due to the devs wanting to place a firmer stance on the cutscene skip exploit. Like I said, it's about common sense. I know some players who botted 24/7 that have been banned, I know others who never have been. If you want to paint a target on your character's back, that's the player's choice. But they shouldn't be surprised if they suddenly have a GM zone in on that target and deliver them to the Mordion Gaol.

So as I said, it's your risk and only yours to make. Keep it to yourself to minimize innocent casualties, but you have only yourself to blame if you get put into a GM's crosshairs. As Ungermax had set a precedent for, nothing will keep you safe, no matter how innocent, no matter how much the group agrees with you, if the devs decide they want to go hard on shutting down an exploit. I'd advise to stay on the side of common sense. They implemented the cutscene lock because of outrage people were clearing the instance while they wanted to watch cutscenes. A subsequent outrage will only have the dev's iron hammer crashing down upon you.

[Vnolan]

You can justify it however you like or downplay it, but they do have the tools and can use them if the situation escalates enough.

Not talking about trigger use, hunt radar or clearing content for money/Gil. Doesn't have to be justified when anyone can do it, it affects no one and the devs have had ample time to do something about it if it displeased them so much.

(Read: An LB giving 50% damage up literally breaking the difficulty of their content, forcing the devs to play their hand and using those exact tools and statistics to place temp bans on many people who used the exploit, even just out of fun.)

They found about Ungarmax and let players continue to do it for 18 months? Or was the game taken offline within a day or so?

The cutscene lock took a while to be implemented, despite it being an ongoing problem for many months - years as well. Just saying, any day now you can wake up to a lovely email informing your character has been banned due to the devs wanting to place a firmer stance on the cutscene skip exploit.

Adding unskippable cutscenes is not like temp banning a bunch of players.

Like I said, it's about common sense. I know some players who botted 24/7 that have been banned, I know others who never have been.

So we're in agreement that just doing it won't have you banned.

As Ungermax had set a precedent for, nothing will keep you safe, no matter how innocent, no matter how much the group agrees with you, if the devs decide they want to go hard on shutting down an exploit. I'd advise to stay on the side of common sense. They implemented the cutscene lock because of outrage people were clearing the instance while they wanted to watch cutscenes. A subsequent outrage will only have the dev's iron hammer crashing down upon you.

Sure it will. Why nip it in the bud over a year ago when they can wait, let more people do it and increase how many they have to ban all so they can take in less money?

[Crushnight]

Not talking about trigger use, hunt radar or clearing content for money/Gil. Doesn't have to be justified when anyone can do it, it affects no one and the devs have had ample time to do something about it if it displeased them so much.


They found about Ungarmax and let players continue to do it for 18 months? Or was the game taken offline within a day or so?


Adding unskippable cutscenes is not like temp banning a bunch of players.


So we're in agreement that just doing it won't have you banned.


Sure it will. Why nip it in the bud over a year ago when they can wait, let more people do it and increase how many they have to ban all so they can take in less money?

Do it at your own risk.

If there is no one new i would turn a blind eye to it but if there is a single new person and people do this and just run ahead and pull i will report them no amount of "but others do it" will prevent me.

With regards to Ugarmax exploit it took over 5 months for word of that exploit to reach the devs it was used from UcoB through Sigmascape savage by people, once they found out they immediately issued a warning not to do this and that they were going to look into people who intentionally used it. Queue 1-2 months later and a small ban wave hits the people. It is very possible word has not reached the devs about this (not like they could do much to prevent it happening) and thus how harsh a punishment is toiled out is down to GM discretion, at which point your rolling the dice on how favorable you are.

TBH people using this exploit is not high i've encountered 1 person who did this and they had to wait for all 7 of us anyway with cutscenes (you don't get to spam that many emotes before the bosses)

[TheRogueX]

Reportable or not, I'm of the mindset that it just speeds up the clear so everyone can move onto the next thing on their to-do list so no harm, no foul. If the story is that important to someone the unending journey exists for a reason.

New players are there as part of the story, not as 'the next thing on their to-do list.' Forcing people to skip through all the cutscenes or making them miss all the fights if they want to watch the cutscenes is bringing harm to those players' experiences. So yeah, you're wrong. And you do realize that just because the cry against it was "louder" doesn't mean more people were against it than for it. Why does everyone always assume that just because they're louder they have more numbers?

To answer the initial question: it is a bannable offense. I know of people who have actually received temporary bans because of it.