Thread: Dispensers of fiery explosions, light me up... with your ideas for BLM in 5.0

Basically how I thought things ought to be playing out. Really, my concerns with the Umbral hearts mostly comes from a time before I even really had gotten to that stage, way back when the meta seemed to suggest they weren't quite as useful maybe? In any case, yeah, F4 for days. And, as pointed out, already realized the whole point of gaining one UH means no need for B4 in the AoE rotation. For a brief moment, I considered how you could, technically, run Freeze right into double Flare. But, obviously, that first one gets, like, no potency, casting directly from UI.

Acidblood summed up many of my thoughts, even though I'm not even in expansion yet. Especially the point on Freeze. B3+B4 might have better sustained potency, but nearing the end of a fight, or possibly even just in panic during movement, I can see Freeze at least keeping you going. Idk.

Button consolidation would've been nice. B2 and Scathe need some love. With F2 tho, I've always wondered, for AoE, I know Flare is(was) the giga spell, but often thought, would there be any benefit to casting one or two F2 before double Flaring? I'm sure someone out there already worked out the maths and said "No, don't waste time on not-Flare." But a lingering concern for me.

Originally Posted by Hasrat

With F2 tho, I've always wondered, for AoE, I know Flare is(was) the giga spell, but often thought, would there be any benefit to casting one or two F2 before double Flaring? I'm sure someone out there already worked out the maths and said "No, don't waste time on not-Flare." But a lingering concern for me.

You are right, someone mathed it out and said exactly that. Don't use Fire 2, it's a damage loss. Especially now with Freeze giving only 1 Umbral Heart, so there is no room for Fire 2 anymore or you will lose your second Flare.

Originally Posted by Hasrat

But, obviously, that first one gets, like, no potency, casting directly from UI.

Flare is actually still strong even in UI. 260 * 0.7 = 182 (target). 182 *6 = 109.2 (remaining enemies). It's stronger than Freeze. I've been toying with Triplecast > Flare > Flare > Transpose > Flare > Freeze when Manafont is on CD.

Originally Posted by Tint

You are right, someone mathed it out and said exactly that. Don't use Fire 2, it's a damage loss. Especially now with Freeze giving only 1 Umbral Heart, so there is no room for Fire 2 anymore or you will lose your second Flare.

Fire 2 might still have a small niche. With Umbral Soul BLM's should always have full stacks of UI and UH between encounters. You might want to use F2 if you go into fire with Triplecast just short of coming off CD and Manafont available. Use it to ride out the last few seconds of Triplecast cooldown and go into triple Flare.

US might also allow Triple > Fire 2 > Flare > Flare, but I haven't tried this yet. Getting an instant F2 in AF sounds much better than using one of the triples on Foul or Freeze.

I keep feeling that Xenoglossy should be at least 780 or 800 potency and that could should at least be 680 potency. I find myself only using xenglossy in situations where I know I have too move in boss fights. However, since already knowing where too stand and what too do in fights I just pre-posituon myself. The problem I am having is actually trying too avoid casting Xenoglossy and just standing there for the gcd to come off so I can use another spell. Either the both should be buffed or Xenoglossy should just act like an OGCD with charges per polyglot. Just something that I have been trying to practice and learn too deal with.

I keep feeling that Xenoglossy should be at least 780 or 800 potency and that foul should at least be 680 potency. I find myself only using xenglossy in situations where I know I have too move in boss fights. However, since already knowing where too stand and what too do in fights I just pre-position myself. The problem I am having is actually trying too avoid casting Xenoglossy and just standing there for the gcd to come off so I can use another spell. Either the both should be buffed or Xenoglossy should just act like an OGCD with charges per polyglot. Just something that I have been trying to practice and learn too deal with.

Xeno is good enough. Like you said, you can keep it for the case you have to move. Its a great gift of gameplay, you can win so much dps thanks to that on difficult encounters.

I actually don't mind Xenoglossy being on the GCD... BLM doesn't have many on demand weaving tools (i.e. without using an oGCD ahead of time or being lucky with a proc), so having it as an option (was well as being a movement tool) is rather nice.

There are a lot of options to weave with Xeno. Leylines, AM, Swift, Sharp, Addle. It makes me miss Manashift more because Xeno would have let us shift with no loss to DPS.