getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[WhyAmIHere]

You need a reality check kid. You are playing a video game.

get over yourself kid. you're acting more childish than you think the forums are because you don't agree with others.

[KaivaC]

I've maybe seen 1 person be removed due to DPS and it was back in Midas where we had a BRD doing less DPS than the tanks and he got called out and kicked we didn't kill Faust in A5S due to his DPS, got called out, kicked, and we moved on. Did anyone lose any sleep over it? No.

We physically couldn't pass it because they were AFK/doing sub par DPS we didn't even put em down we just said thanks for coming but we need just more DPS and replaced and cleared it after I don't get why people think they're putting people down when they're literally holding groups back, you should know your rotation by 70.

I can second this. Most raiders generally are not jerks about something like this. Last time I'd seen it happen, the party leader said to the SAM and BLM in the group that he needed them to pick it up so we could clear, of all fights, Suzaku Ex, otherwise he'd have to replace because we were hitting enrage. Wasn't a jerk about it - stated what needed to be done, since they were pulling less than I was as a still-novice ninja. Sure enough, next pull, BLM jumped to top DPS and the SAM didn't improve, preventing us from actually clearing the fight, so he had to be kicked.

All these arguments about stuff like this, it's almost as if the players arguing against parsers are saying all raiders are jerks for kicking someone, when it's very clear that this 'someone' is definitely holding the party as a whole back. Nor is kicking someone over DPS a jerkish behavior when the party leader says something like the poster I quoted or in my example. Jerks do exist, yeah, but you can't apply this logic to each and every situation when not everybody is the same. And honestly, based on my experiences, you'll get more toxicity over early pulling in Pagos than you will from something like parsers and DPS numbers.

[vp_cmc]

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If it is your private information, then what business does it have being stored on my computer? I didn't give you any permissions to you to store your data on my hdd.

[Stormfur]

We have to remember, too, that FFLogs is just a tool. It in and of itself does no damage to anyone. Now, if you use it exclusively to belittle someone, that's where issues begin to crop up. Then it becomes less about FFLogs and more about the intentions of the person using it.

Does the person you're calling out or poor DPS genuinely want to improve? If so, FFLogs can be used to show them what they might be doing wrong and where they could do better.

Does the person you're calling out not care about their performance? Well, nothing you can do about that. Just boot and move on.

I don't raid savage now, but when I did, I looked at FFLogs as a chance to "beat your high score" like in the old arcade games. It was fun, but also stressful on my schedule which is why I had to stop.

My concern with it is that I don't like third party tools being tied to my character. With the theme park example, I'm happily giving my information to SE to play this game, but there's a guy in the park selling counterfeit "fast passes" and I don't have a choice as to whether or not I want to give him my info - he'll just take it.

[Melichoir]

Theres another point for the "Parsers are bad because it promotes toxicity" angle: Achievements do the same thing. The higher end players will always find some ways to gauge how qualified a player is. In WoW, it was (atleast when I played years ago) achievement linking. You wanted to join a group to run a raid? Link your achieve. This posed even bigger issues than Parsers because completing content is a team effort, so if you were struggling to complete content due to not being able to find a good group, you were SoL. You either had to find a guild or group thatd take the risk with you, or grind through pugs until you got that clear.

Atleast wtih parsers, they can see your damage output and rotations (even on non cleared fights if you choose to upload that information) and give people who want to recruit something to go with. And most people recruiting will ask you about your performances if theyre inconsistent. If they notice you got low numbers, but the tank is dead half hte time, theyre not likely to hold those bad runs against you if it appears you were doing everything fine up till then.

But as I said, if its not parsers, itll be something else. And the more "ambiguous" the rule of measurement, the more toxic and discerning raid groups will get. Raids dont judge you by one single performance; theyll look at you as a whole. So if youre afraid of being seen as "unworthy" than just practice and improve. Wouldnt believe how much of the issue surrounding toxicity in game is down to players just not giving a rats butt about their own performance and making things difficult for other players.

[Vstarstruck]

How quickly (to TC) were you kicked? if it is like say 1-8 seconds, that is a reputation problem and has nothing to do with logs. (or a combination of bad behavior and low logs)

Also logs is not the only thing, ever meet a 80-99% player but acts like they are king of the game? can be kicked for that too, lol

[Sylvina]

You know whats also "cancer"? People who join parties for EX primals or savage and the rest of the people have to carry them or they can't even get it done because one or more people are just not able to play this content. But yeah its ok to waste the time of others as long as this player has his fun, right?

So what is worse? The people who let themselfs get carried through everything or the ones who quickly check your logs to see if you are capable of beating the content.

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried. people try their hardest to improve. respect that, or stay in your little bubble of hate and childish ideas. People don't get better without practice kid. think about that next time you're about to hate on your fellow players.

[Melichoir]

Can I speak to your parents? you don't seem old enough to be left unnattended playing video games kid.

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried. people try their hardest to improve. respect that, or stay in your little bubble of hate and childish ideas.

There is someone I know who plays the game and uses skills specifically based on how they look aesthetically. They ask to be carried through content. Not as interpretation. They just ask for it.

There are people who are like this. There are also people who feel thta they dont have to improve. As long as their pressing buttons, thats all thats needed. Not doing mechanics right, its ok, someone else will res me. Not doing well on holding aggro? It's ok, there's another tank. Not doing enough healing or damage, its fine, thats what DPS are for. And when tehy do poorly and hinder the group, they expect to be given just as much access to Mounts, Loot, and etc, as people who try very hard to complete the content.

I think youre really narrow minded if you dont think there are players who do the bare minimum (intentionally or not) and expect to be rewarded the same as people who really spend time practicing this game and getting better at it.

[Sylvina]

get over yourself kid. you're acting more childish than you think the forums are because you don't agree with others.

Reap00 is correct, that kid needs a reality check as do all who think as he does.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fun fact, NOBODY with a brain wants to be carried. people try their hardest to improve. respect that, or stay in your little bubble of hate and childish ideas. People don't get better without practice kid. think about that next time you're about to hate on your fellow players.

You're incredibly naive if you actually believe this. There are plenty of people who either couldn't care less if they're carried or straight up feel entitled to clear content. I have seen both more times than I care to count even if it isn't frequent, thankfully. Nevertheless, as per usual, you jump to baseless assumptions. Practice is fine... in learning parties. Don't join a clear party and pull 2,500 DPS on Warrior. People in those parties typically want to clear quickly, not waste their time teaching you a fight you should already know.

Reap00 is correct, that kid needs a reality check as do all who think as he does.

Says the person who came into a raid centric discord, dismissed virtually every bit of criticism, whined endlessly about how toxic people were and clearly learned nothing. Yes, indeed, someone needs a reality check. You're simply mistaken as to whom.