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    You want diversity?

    Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

    All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    You want diversity?

    Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

    All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.
    I don't think you read it then if that's your final take-in of this thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    I don't think you read it then if that's your final take-in of this thread...
    I read it. All the way up to the recent shenanigans noting skin undertones and their potential combinations with racially specific features.

    I still believe this is remarkably stupid.

    It's like people don't understand it's a fictional universe with completely different biology.
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    You love riding the high horse but I'm here to bring you down from that.
    You know what most fantasy is based on? Real life. Just because The only way FF isn't based on real life is if everything looked like a Lupin and the like, but they do not.


    I could make the same excuse for anything I disagree with like bigger butts and claim that it's fantasy and not reality so it shouldn't be suggested.
    All of your sentences start with I this I that, notice the pattern?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I read it. All the way up to the recent shenanigans noting skin undertones and their potential combinations with racially specific features.

    I still believe this is remarkably stupid.

    It's like people don't understand it's a fictional universe with completely different biology.
    But it's not different. Seems to me black people are in the game. Just like the real world.






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    race is an imaginary concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    You love riding the high horse but I'm here to bring you down from that.
    You know what most fantasy is based on? Real life. Just because The only way FF isn't based on real life is if everything looked like a Lupin and the like, but they do not.


    I could make the same excuse for anything I disagree with like bigger butts and claim that it's fantasy and not reality so it shouldn't be suggested.
    All of your sentences start with I this I that, notice the pattern?
    The problem is is that people are claiming the game isn't "diverse" enough when there is plenty of diversity of characters in the game. What you want is a specific type of diversity which has no real place here. This isn't about who it does or does not "affect" because this is a video game, it has absolutely no bearing over the real world and doesn't affect anyone unless you let it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    You want diversity?

    Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

    All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.
    What is the harm of requesting that some more ethnic options to the faces/features? Obviously SE has an idea of what they're going for with their characters, but requesting something never hurts.

    While not everyone feels this way, there are some that appreciate being able to make a character that resembles them in some tiny way. Personally, I'm always a bit disappointed when I have to slog through a game as a male character. Should it matter? Probably not, but that feeling will crop up every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    But it's not different. Seems to me black people are in the game. Just like the real world.
    Ignoring the fact that most of those screenshots look like Caucasian people with darker skin... how does that matter? I'm not saying people should be avoiding using the available skin tones, I'm saying that what is available is what exists in Eorzea. The fact that there isn't the same bredth of racial diversity amongst Hyur as there is in humans isn't a "race problem" it's just a simple fact.

    Hyur are not human. They don't need the same diversity that we see in real life. I mean honestly there are between 4 and 6 face options depending on what race and gender you choose to begin with, why is anyone focusing on anything as small as skin tones? There clearly isn't enough options within character creation to represent human diversity.

    Good thing, again, the game doesn't have humans in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    You love riding the high horse but I'm here to bring you down from that.
    You know what most fantasy is based on? Real life. Just because The only way FF isn't based on real life is if everything looked like a Lupin and the like, but they do not.


    I could make the same excuse for anything I disagree with like bigger butts and claim that it's fantasy and not reality so it shouldn't be suggested.
    All of your sentences start with I this I that, notice the pattern?
    My sentences start with I because I'm expressing my opinions and not trying to represent what anyone else thinks.

    As to your "based in reality" idea... I main WHM in game. I can cast healing magics, conjure wind and stones out of thin air and literally raise the dead but sure the basis in reality is strong here. Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    What is the harm of requesting that some more ethnic options to the faces/features? Obviously SE has an idea of what they're going for with their characters, but requesting something never hurts.

    While not everyone feels this way, there are some that appreciate being able to make a character that resembles them in some tiny way. Personally, I'm always a bit disappointed when I have to slog through a game as a male character. Should it matter? Probably not, but that feeling will crop up every time.
    I would have no issue if this request was framed as "boy I sure do wish we had more diverse character creation options, anything to add some more differences would be great. Maybe they could incorporate things like Asiatic/African features into some facial options to switch things up."

    The problem is the OP and subsequently plenty of people here have framed this as some kind of racial issue (I mean look at the title of the thread) when it just isn't. Hyur are not human. They do not inherently need to represent the full scope of human diversity and to expect them to is, in my opinion, stupid.
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 07-13-2018 at 12:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    What is the harm of requesting that some more ethnic options to the faces/features?
    That's not what she is doing.
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