Black magic...kinda sucks

[Malkria]

Show me some quotes? "Lot" is a very good weasel word you know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1AKc.../viewanalytics

[Dualgunner]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1AKc.../viewanalytics

A Realm Reborn and Heavensward popularity polls. Just like I said aren't reliable to answer Stormblood popularity. Huh. Also <3000 answers, any proof that's enough?

[P_Wing]

I’m still wondering where you’re having problems with. In my experience Transpose isn’t necessary in boss fights except when the boss jumps.

Can you record your dungeon session and point out where the problem is and where you would like it to improve?

[Kabooa]

You know, for a group that seems to think everything is working as intended...you all are very defensive about a single voice giving protest. Or is it that I am NOT the only one pointing these things out? That maybe there might actually be some substance to what I am saying? In which case the way you all are so quick to defend this job despite it's issues becomes apparent. I wonder if you all reacted the same way to these "quality of life" changes that Square put forward in the expansion, and claimed it would kill the job then too?

Black mage has issues. Transpose and timers are not among them.

[P_Wing]

A Realm Reborn and Heavensward popularity polls. Just like I said aren't reliable to answer Stormblood popularity. Huh. Also <3000 answers, any proof that's enough?

Also SMN got less votes than BLM in that poll too. Contradicting to what OP have been asserting ...

[Dualgunner]

Also SMN got less votes than BLM in that poll too. Contradicting to what OP have been asserting ...

Good find! I didn't notice that.

[Popotato]

You know, for a group that seems to think everything is working as intended...you all are very defensive about a single voice giving protest. Or is it that I am NOT the only one pointing these things out? That maybe there might actually be some substance to what I am saying? In which case the way you all are so quick to defend this job despite it's issues becomes apparent. I wonder if you all reacted the same way to these "quality of life" changes that Square put forward in the expansion, and claimed it would kill the job then too?

Ah, what a classic logical fallacy. "If many people disagree with me, then I must have a valid point!" I don't understand how you can try to spin many people pointing out various flaws in your suggestions to mean you have a strong case.

There are many other people voicing their opinion on the flaws of BLM. The difference is that the problems they identify are actual problems. BLM does have problems, the thing is that the problems you identified aren't them. The other thing is that these people are likely BLM veterans who have some minor issues with recent changes. You are a player that is completely new to the job, and hate the playstyle that you had from the very start. You've had no previous iteration of BLM to love.

Since your arguments are purely anecdotal, I'll give an anecdote too. When I tried Ninja for the first time in level 70 content, I found it incredibly stressful and fast-paced. I was dropping combos, bunnying my mudras, dropping Huton, missing Trick Attacks. I was determined to get good at Ninja because I liked the aesthetic, so I played nothing but Ninja for a good week.

At the end of that week, I was still shit at Ninja.

Granted, I got a bit better, but still couldn't nail down the core aspects of the job. The thing is that I accept Ninja's playstyle as really fast-paced and heavy on cooldown management, and I accepted that the playstyle was stressful and not for me. I don't fault the players for liking the job. The job provides a unique, fast-paced experience that no other job provides, and I respect that. I decided to try other jobs hoping that one will click. And mind you, that job ISN'T Black Mage. I don't main Black Mage, I play it casually, in expert roulette, treasure hunts and normal raids, enough so that I can understand the intricacies of its design and appreciate the unique gameplay experience it provides.

I think the issue most people have with your suggestions, other than them addressing things that aren't problems, is that you imply that the job should be more like SMN. You say BLM is too immobile, it should be able to move more like SMN. People take issue with that because your agenda is to try and push a more homogenised BLM experience, which is something BLM players play the job specifically not to have.

The job has been dumbed down a lot since HW. If you hate the timer aspect of it, then you would have had so many qualms with HW Enochian. But the fact of the matter is that timers and immobility have always been a pretty central aspect of BLM's playstyle. People that have played the job since ARR likely are attracted to these two aspects of the job, and if they changed that, they have every right to be annoyed. Look at the 3.x MCH and SMN mains.

[PerrinTaveren]

As a SMN and BLM main both, i like BLM more, like A LOT MORE. I accept i had a though job leveling it, especially on Shisui dungeon because of that horrible 2nd boss, but still that boss is a nightmare for all dps. (Unless physical ranged i guess).

Lv70 BLM is just awesomeness. With triple cast alone, you have so much mobility.

Is it more challenging than playing SMN? No tbh.

SMN has a lot of min-maxing and a lot of thinking how to do your AF and pet and stuff. I played NIN for a while, you have to see how many buttons you press while dpsing at that one. Mudras alone in every 20 sec, maintaining your huton buff, maintaining your dot, applying trick attack at the right time and making sure you line up your skills etc. Then mch. It requires a page to explain that job tbh. Then we have monk. Positionals, greased lightning stacks and also dots, buffs etc. And with all of these jobs, you say BLM doesn't fit to the game.

I think BLM has the EASIEST rotation ever in the game. It is almost as easy as a healer dps. (not saying that to be bad, being easy doesn't mean being bad). You don't have positionals, you don't have pet management, you don't have button bloat. You simply need to stand still and spam fire4s. But again, all the jobs above needs to know the fights as well, they are not THAT different from BLM. Yes, you need to know where to stand but that becomes obvious after a while tbh.

I was with a SAM the other day at Hell's Lid, he had full 370ilvl gear, i have Eureka gear and menda accessories, i was dealing more damage than him at some points and bosses. I am not a raider also, this player was a raider. So BLM is in a good place right now. I didn't talk about RDM much, but RDM itself is really dull to play imo, i really didn't get the exciment for that, it is too easy and idk, nvm. But SMN isn't ''easier'' to play. I really doubt you remember at the beginning of SB. It was like a science project to understand that job back then. They ''fixed'' so many things to let players play it basically. And still, it has lots of tweaks if you wanna be good.

Don't trash BLM, it seems like this thread is for trashing it. If you don't like it, just move on. I have lots of jobs i don't like but you don't see me trash talking about those everywhere. BLM is good, BLM is love. And yes, it is top dps right now, which hardly matters for me. I like it so i will play it.

[Thela]

Like I said, I have played many a turret type job/class over the years. I can get behind wanting raw power...and frankly the BLM falls flat in this regard. The fact it is a 'selfish job' and still falls flat only makes it all the sadder.

I'm sorry but what? Sacrifice mobility for raw power is the premise of the job, and it does succeed at exactly that, raw power. I'm not sure how you can claim it falls flat when it does in fact provide the highest DPS in the game when done right.

I don't think anyone here will claim its a flawless job, it does have its flaws, but the things you list are just not accurate. It's fine you don't like the style, but the fact is that it is the highest damage job in the game when done right (for a single target boss fight, which is most of them), so your claims to the contrary are just inaccurate.

[KaivaC]

This all sounds like the OP doesn't get the basis of the job - just reading through this thread, they've been given some sound advice on how to deal with the mobility issue (as lack of mobility being traded for raw dps is kinda the identity of BLMs) and they start getting incredibly defensive over it and rejecting the idea of it. Doesn't like like a job for the OP is they cannot deal with the concept that has helped every good BLM from ARR to SB - knowing the fight well enough to know when's a good time to do certain things. I saw a post mentioned about how other DPS have an advantage - but that's not true. The ones with the advantage are the players who know how to perform their jobs with the least drawbacks.

OP, if you're having issues with mobility, just look up a guide as you continue leveling. BLMs are top-tier damage dealers without all the complication that a job like SMN brings to the table.